r/Conservative Jun 25 '22

Vatican Official: US Abortion Decision ‘Challenges the Whole World’ to Protect Human Life

https://www.ncregister.com/blog/paglia-comments-on-dobbs
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u/ergoegthatis Jun 25 '22

What a BS statement they made. I expected them of all people to explicitly support this, instead we get these limp, vague, hesitant statements:

overturning Roe v. Wade “is a powerful invitation” to reflect on the “serious and urgent issue” of human life and the conditions that make it possible.

Western society “is losing its passion for life, this act is a powerful invitation to reflect together on the serious and urgent issue of human generativity and the conditions that make it possible; by choosing life, our responsibility for the future of humanity is at stake.”

Just go ahead and say something like "This is a victory for life, the unborn must be protected, we salute the SCOTUS for this moral decision" instead of this worthless word salad.

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u/SpreadMountain7570 Jun 25 '22

It looks like Kamala Harris' speech writer has a new job with the Vatican...

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u/Difficult_Thanks_997 Jun 26 '22

We need to save lives because we need to. And what we need to do is do the things that save lives. Its just something we need to do - Kamala Harris

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u/Enough-Ad-9898 Jun 26 '22

And we need to do it when the time is right. And the time is now. And before, but especially now.

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u/Shmodecious Jun 25 '22

This one segment of one Vatican official's speech. The speech in whole is not "hesitant" whatsoever.

The Catholic church has been very very very clear on their opposition to abortion.

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u/etherealsmog Traditional Conservative Jun 26 '22

But Pope Francis and especially the people he appoints to represent the Church’s official views on his behalf have been incredibly tepid in opposing abortion.

He’s an absolute disaster for the Catholic Church and frankly I hope he passes away before his next batch of cardinals are set to be appointed in August, so there’s a better likelihood of getting someone who doesn’t suck to replace him.

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u/AntySocyal Jun 26 '22

How trully traditionally conservative from you to wish that for the Pope.

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u/etherealsmog Traditional Conservative Jun 26 '22

Dante placed popes in hell in his Divine Comedy, so I think I’m in good company with Catholic tradition, thanks.

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u/welcomeisee12 Jun 26 '22

we salute the SCOTUS for this moral decision"

It wasn't a moral decision by SCOTUS though. That's the same trap the leftist fall into.

The ruling was simply based on what rights are provided in the constitution. The ruling said that the constitution doesn't give the right to an abortion.

The decision may have 'moral' outcomes, but it's not based on religion.

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u/Mewster1818 Constitutional Conservative Jun 26 '22

Ehhh I kinda give them a bit of leeway. A lot of foreigners don't really understand how our system works... which is just one of many reasons I don't care what foreigners have to say about the US.

Nor does it break from the Catholic pro-life stance... which is obviously based on morals so it's not odd that's how it's framed by them.

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u/Lorian_and_Lothric Conservative Jun 26 '22

A lot of foreigners don’t really understand how our system works

And neither do a lot of Americans apparently.

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u/therinlahhan N. C. Conservative Jun 26 '22

That's the truth. Saw a bunch of leftists protesting in Vegas yesterday. Bruh, abortion is still legal in Nevada -- chill out.

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u/Mewster1818 Constitutional Conservative Jun 26 '22

Every single person I know freaking out lives somewhere that abortion will still be available.

Meanwhile my friends here in Texas were just concerned if we would have medical exemptions (we do, everyone does) and were totally happy once they found that out.

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u/GreyBerserker Jun 26 '22

I agree with you here, but maybe it's fair to say the decision was made with some moral courage?

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u/Vumerity Jun 26 '22

So is the question then does the constitution give the right the bodily autonomy? I don't think it does so where should it lie?

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u/durw00d Jun 26 '22

Bodily autonomy sounds like a made up term to hide the fact that abortion is murder. When is it ever used other than in this context?

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u/bwl2 Jun 26 '22

Forced vaccines

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u/durw00d Jun 26 '22

The same people that claim it applies in this case say it doesn’t in the other.

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u/bwl2 Jun 26 '22

If they're blindly D or R I suppose

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u/monteml Traditionalist Jun 25 '22

Frankly, that's more than I expected. The Vatican today is filled with liberation theology shills, including Bergoglio himself.

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u/mesosalpynx Jun 25 '22

It almost reads as if it’s in support of abortion and against what happened.

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u/woopdedoodah Conservative Jun 26 '22

The church has embraced the most passive language imaginable. I'm just trying to imagine St Augustine talking like this and I can't.

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u/AmbitiousCurler Jun 25 '22

They really like the adoration Pope Che gets from a bunch of millennial leftist atheists who hate Christianity.

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u/CarsonOrSanders Jun 25 '22

Honestly I'm surprised the Vatican is still pro life considering the current pope.

I'm waiting for the day when this pope gets in front of a camera and tells the world that it's a woman's right to choose to end another life.

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u/BolonelSanders Jun 25 '22

“…abortion is more than an issue. Abortion is murder.”

“Scientifically it’s a human life. The textbooks teach us that. But is it right to take it out to solve a problem? This is why the Church is so strict on this issue because accepting this is kind of like accepting daily murder.”

“How can an action that ends an innocent and defenseless life in its blossoming stage be therapeutic, civilized or simply human? I ask you: Is it right to ‘do away with’ a human life in order to solve a problem? Is it right to hire a hitman in order to solve a problem? One cannot. It is not right to ‘do away with’ a human being, however small, in order to solve a problem. It is like hiring a hitman.”

“I have heard that it is in fashion, or at least customary, in the first months of pregnancy to have certain exams, to see whether the baby is not well, or has some problems. The first proposal in that case is: ‘Shall we do away with it?’ The murder of children. In the last century the entire world was scandalized over what the Nazis were doing to maintain the purity of the race. Today we do the same thing, but with white gloves.”

“Abortion is not the lesser of two evils. It is a crime. It is to throw someone out in order to save another. That's what the Mafia does. It is a crime, an absolute evil… It is an evil in and of itself.”

“… concern for the protection of nature is… incompatible with the justification of abortion.”

“Every child who, rather than being born, is condemned unjustly to being aborted, bears the face of Jesus Christ, bears the face of the Lord, who even before he was born, and then just after birth, experienced the world's rejection.”

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/249172/pope-francis-abortion-statements

Pope Francis may not be very conservative on a number of issues, especially by American political standards, but claiming he’s gonna flip on abortion just because he has some other views that we here might consider globalist or leftist is laughable.

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u/rob7878 Jun 25 '22

Honestly that's refreshing to hear. Not catholic or even religious, I just assumed he was an air headed current year liberal Christian.

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u/BolonelSanders Jun 25 '22

One thing I’ve learned is to never take the headlines in mainstream media and social media about religion to heart without context. With the popes in particular there is a tendency in the news and online to want to make them American style arch conservatives or American style arch liberals.

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u/CarsonOrSanders Jun 25 '22

or American style arch liberals.

Which is basically what he is. You can claim I'm being unfair to him all you want, but other than abortion the dude has been pretty much an American socialist on each and every political issue he has decided to stick his nose in.

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u/BolonelSanders Jun 26 '22

Except the ones where he isn’t. He has also called modern gender ideology a demonic ideology. I’m not saying the man is a conservative by US Conservative standards or that it is wrong to think of him as rather progressive, I’m saying that to assume he will flip on abortion is to be ignorant of his repeatedly stated ideals.

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u/ThinkSharpe Jun 26 '22

Honestly that's refreshing to hear. Not catholic or even religious, I just assumed he was an air headed current year liberal Christian.

You...assumed...that the Pope....was an "air headed current year liberal Cristian."

Dude. You have to start thinking harder about stuff.

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u/ConceptJunkie Constitutional Conservative Jun 26 '22

No, I think that's a reasonable assumption, even if it isn't correct.

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u/rob7878 Jun 26 '22 edited Jun 26 '22

It isn't that hard to come away with that impression given how much the left leaning media has emphasized how progressive he is since he's been appointed. The lefties I know like him a lot too. I don't personally know any conservatives who like him. I just assumed the catholic church was getting on that long slide to getting woke and then going broke.

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u/ConceptJunkie Constitutional Conservative Jun 26 '22

No, he won't do that. No plausible deniability. He'll say something vague amd equivocal. He usually does.

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u/skarface6 Catholic and Conservative Jun 26 '22

He’s actually pro-life, which is nice.

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u/mesosalpynx Jun 25 '22

To me this reads as pro-killing babies.

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u/luffmatcheen Jun 25 '22

Human generativity? Really?

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u/trend_rudely Jun 26 '22

So thankful today for the human generativity of my birthing parent🫃

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u/Bluntball33 Conservative Jun 26 '22

Here’s a thought: when are you considered dead? When your heart stops beating. So when are you considered alive? Conversely, when your heart starts beating. So I’ve read that’s ~8 weeks.

Make a law that states abortion is an absolute right until there is a heartbeat. Let the states take it from there. Blue states will always let them “anytime, for any reason” and conservative states can’t ban before a heartbeat. I think that would gain a lot of bi-partisan support, and would easily pass.

But, as seen with most solvable social issues, dems won’t go for it because there’s no money or votes in compromise and solutions, their power comes through conflict and hatred.

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u/Ryuugyo Jun 26 '22

I am out of the loop here. Is Roe v Wade strictly a religious (Christian/Catholic) issue like what Reddit frontpage articles suggest?

Isn't this just about removing what's not in the constitution in the first place? CMIIW.

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u/Oper8tor77 Jun 26 '22

Roe v wade broadly speaking is a constitutional issue of whether the power to ban it belongs to the states, it's overturning has just also resurfaced the moral issue of abortion which was just being accepted as good and normal by the mainstream because it was federally protected for so long. The morality of abortion is not just a religious issue no matter how much you hear the left say it is. Yes the Catholic Church has been the most prominent advocate for the lives of the unborn, but you can arrive at the conclusion that abortion is wholly immoral through entirely secular philosophical reasoning.

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u/ZodiacSF1969 Jun 26 '22

Agreed. I'm a conservative and anti-abortion despite being agnostic. It's not just a religious issue.

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u/ConceptJunkie Constitutional Conservative Jun 26 '22

No, you're right. Reddit is, as always, wrong.

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u/Tweeter0583 Jun 25 '22

Weird how a clump of cells is proof of life on Mars but not in a uterus....

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u/durw00d Jun 26 '22

Single cells actually. Micro organisms.

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u/Tweeter0583 Jun 26 '22

Yet it's still considered life...

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u/Agitated-Bird-4333 Jun 26 '22

"“The fact that a large country with a long democratic tradition has changed its position on this issue also challenges the whole world. It is not right that the problem is set aside without adequate overall consideration. The protection and defense of human life is not an issue that can remain confined to the exercise of individual rights but instead is a matter of broad social significance."

Purposefully and deceitfully vague. It would have been sufficient for the Church to declare that the decision affirms the rights of the unborn. It is their individual right. Each and every one of those unborn babies. Jesus loves each and every one of them.

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u/QnsConcrete Jun 26 '22

I interpret that quote to mean that pushing the matter to the states wasn’t enough.

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u/Agitated-Bird-4333 Jun 26 '22

That's my point. They could have just added a comment like yours and made it clear. Why is it necessary to give an answer in the form of a puzzle? There shouldn't be a need for "interpretation" when the Vatican speaks to the world.

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u/afitz_7 Conservative Jun 25 '22

They want to grow the proletariat so they can smash the bourgeoisie.

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u/miraculous- Jun 25 '22

And other lies you can tell yourself

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u/RictusDicktus Jun 26 '22

“No seriously! The Catholic Church cares about children! Why are you all laughing?” — The Pope (probably)

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u/SuperDankMemes42069 Jun 26 '22

They cant wait to get their hands on all the new young children to touch