r/Damnthatsinteresting Apr 26 '22 Silver 7 Helpful 3 Wholesome 4 Dread 1 Facepalm 1 Mind Blown 1

Shanghai’s residents have endured an extreme COVID lockdown since the end of March — and metal fencing is being installed to keep people inside their homes. Image

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u/UniqueWhittyName Apr 26 '22

Let us hope there is never a fire in any of those buildings.

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u/JadedPastries Apr 26 '22

Yeah, my first thought was “isn’t that a major fire hazard in high occupancy buildings and neighborhoods?”

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u/Pandamana Apr 26 '22

When I visited China, my hotel's fire escape/stairs were chained and padlocked shut. The elevators also took you to random floors sometimes so yea a fire would've killed everyone and that's pretty much par for the course there.

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u/pissedinthegarret Apr 26 '22

"Fascinating Horror" channel on youtube covers a lot of fire and crowd related incident. So many of them could be avoided if some moron didn't block fire exits or locked escape routes.

Absolutely terrifying. It's a tragedy waiting to happen.

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u/Falcrist Apr 26 '22

Ever since seeing the video of the Station Nightclub fire and hearing the screams, I don't usually seek out this kind of stuff.

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u/pissedinthegarret Apr 26 '22

sorry you had to see that, just an overall traumatic incident for everyone.

Thankfully, on that channel he doesn't show that kind of sounds or footage. Usually just a plan of building and maybe some things that happened before everything goes wrong. I wouldn't be able to watch anything more graphic either.

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u/Falcrist Apr 26 '22

No need to apologize. I get drawn into these things and end up disturbing myself.

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u/External-Difficult Apr 26 '22

I had to watch it for OSHA 10 training and had nightmares for weeks. I already have a fear of fire.

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u/Capraos Apr 26 '22

That is one way to stress the importance of OSHA.

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u/EllisHughTiger Apr 26 '22

Once you get used to OSHA, ADA, NFPA, and all the other sprinkler and egress requirements in the US, going overseas can get you feeling weird quickly.

Went back to my home country and visited this basement bar. The way in and out was a rope staircase. Drank my beer and went back to the street level, fuck that. A few months later another basement club had a blaze due to flammable coatings on the ceiling and a bunch of people died. Also, none of my relatives have smoke detectors or anything.

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u/UnstableGoats Apr 26 '22

Between reading people’s descriptions of the Station Nightclub fire, reading articles, and watching videos, and my research into the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory, I felt anxious and uneasy for days and have had the possibility of a fire in my dorm building in the back of my mind ever since.

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u/Falcrist Apr 26 '22

There's something about the horror that draws you in.

It's like the adult version of watching a scary movie that your parents warned you about.

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u/UnstableGoats Apr 26 '22

I just remembered that I had happened upon the fire events because I was reading about the Travis Scott concert which lead to general crowd crush which lead to the fires. Terrifying events that could really happen anywhere at any time. Everyone who posted a link on Reddit warned not to watch and that they were very heavy topics, but I couldn’t help myself.

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u/ToastedCrumpet Apr 26 '22

They use footage of that fire as a part of my work’s fire safety training. It goes up in flames so quick and could easily have been avoided

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u/Falcrist Apr 26 '22

"Easily avoided"

You mean like NOT HAVING PYROTECHNIC DISPLAYS INDOORS? Also not having horriffically flammable crap all over the walls... and having fire extinguishers handy... and not being over capacity... and clearly labeling the exits... and not having locked off doors... and on and on it goes.

SO many things were wrong and went wrong that night.

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u/Jedi4Hire Apr 26 '22

Yep. I work for a university's public safety department and I keep having to yell at other departments for blocking fire exits. Residence life needs to store some bedframes? Stack them in the stairwell! Campus ministry got a bunch of donations? Stack them in front of the fire exit! Library's big ol' cart of discarded books? Gotta use it to block the fire exit!

It's like these people want to die a fiery painful death.

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u/Lucy_Honey_Sugar Apr 26 '22

Watching today's episode at the moment. About a fire at a chicken processing plant with locked fire exits!

Love this channel.

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u/Doobledorf Apr 26 '22

Not to mention how fucking flammable everything is. When I lived there in 2013, I watched an apartment in a different building(but same garden) go up in flames in under 5 minutes.

As in, you could see smoke billowing out of one room and a few minutes later there were orange flames spewing out of every window.

EDIT: And the shitty wiring? I've never seen so many sparks fall from the ceiling when a light blew in my life...

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u/PlasticElfEars Apr 26 '22

Horrifying...

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u/terrible_name Apr 26 '22

Elevator russian roulette

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u/SirFoxUwU Apr 26 '22

Triangle shirtwaist factory fire

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u/Diplomjodler Apr 26 '22

"The citizens died happily with a smile on their lips, knowing they sacrificed themselves for the glory of the fatherland" or some shit like that.

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u/Ask_me_4_a_story Apr 26 '22

I always wanted to go to China...until the last five years. Now? No fuckin way

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u/Funkyduck8 Apr 26 '22

The Golden Era of China is long gone now; it ended around 2018. I was there from 2014-2018, and even the other expats I met there said that the golden days were behind us then. But now? They're truly dead

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u/H3racules Apr 26 '22

Ya it was pretty cool back in the day. But in recent years it's gotten pretty bad.

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u/LostMySpleenIn2015 Apr 26 '22

Just go to Taiwan. It’s a happier version of what China might have been like sans Mao. Then again they have their own quarantine you have to go through to get in to the country.

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u/LiterllyWhy Apr 26 '22

Flat catches on fire

"Don't save any of the residents. Let all of us burn to death. The coronavirus might spread if we escape. For the greater good."

Wish I was joking

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u/2drawnonward5 Apr 26 '22

They're in the business of saving lives, no matter how many lives it costs!

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u/Purplesteeznuts Apr 26 '22

There already was :)

literally the same day they started going up a fire broke out in Pudong district. Emergency crews had a hard time getting to the building on the count of the barricades. There's a report of a woman jumping out of a 6 story window.

sauce: am living in Shanghai

edit: The barricades are only one of the fucked up things going. If you want to know more, head over to /r/Shanghai

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u/u5342387 Apr 26 '22

was about to reply with this news too.

I always wonder why China want to rise the birth rate, and also keep killing Chinese with these dangerous (in this case lethal) method to rule.

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u/Gird_Your_Anus Apr 26 '22

Lots of babies means they get to keep treating their citizens as expendable.

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u/Individual-Nebula927 Apr 26 '22

Problem is "lots of babies" hasn't been true for a long time. China lifted the 1 child policy finally, but it didn't increase the birth rate at all for the same reasons western women aren't having children. It doesn't make financial sense, and they're educated enough to know that now.

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u/flawedbuttrying Apr 26 '22

An elderly man died of stroke because medical assistance couldn’t reach him on time. I think this is infuriating rather than interesting.

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u/Walex223 Apr 26 '22

there has already been videos shared where apartment buildings were on fire but the firemen couldnt get close enough to put it out due to all the fences and stuff. nobody injured as far as im aware thankfully

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u/dimechimes Apr 26 '22

nobody injured as far as im aware thankfully

Of course

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u/escape_of_da_keets Apr 26 '22

Don't be silly. Everyone knows Chinese buildings are 100% fireproof.

The CCP confirmed that those people were just having a barbeque... Hence the smell.

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u/Opposeyou Apr 26 '22

"There were 200 people in the building when it caught fire, nobody could get out, the firefighters couldnt put out the fire, everyone is fine and nobody got hurt though"

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u/ZeroByter Apr 26 '22

I think it's pretty clear at this point China doesn't care about it's own citizens... Even if they would burn alive inside their homes.

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u/rhahkialhlaaa Apr 26 '22

One of the Chinese social media comments I remember reading is...

"If everything/everyone is locked down and transporting goods is so difficult, then where did you get all the metal fences?"

lol

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u/Sad-Sheepherder-1372 Apr 26 '22

At this point, it start to look like zombie movie in the making.

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u/seetheare Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22 Got the W

Shit, maybe they know they'll turn into zombies and they want to contain as many as possible in their homes once they start turning ...

Movie plot in the making.

In all seriousness, they're fucking treated like animals, so sad

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u/iiJokerzace Apr 26 '22

There two possibilities:

1.They have gone completely insane.

  1. We will soon be craving brains.

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u/godfatherinfluxx Apr 26 '22 Silver

I , for one, welcome our zombie overlords. There's no hierarchy, no social structure, just get brains. Roam in herds looking for the normies. It's like the Borg without all the technology.

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u/Tricky-Sympathy Apr 26 '22

Wow Simpsons and Star Trek in the same comment. You are a golden god.

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u/unsinkabletwo Apr 26 '22

Join the herd!

• simple, easy to follow meal plan

• lots of friends to hang with

• no chores or responsibilities (if you drop where you stand, nobody will bother you)

• no taxes

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u/Prideful_ Apr 26 '22

If it’s one thing we know for sure, it’s that the CCP will hide it until it becomes everyone’s s problem.

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u/Foreign_Quality_9623 Apr 26 '22

Chinese government will be running "Swan Lake" on TV nonstop.

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u/AdamBlaster007 Apr 26 '22

They'll be turned into something worse than zombies.

They'll be turned into civilians that can no longer be brainwashed with propaganda.

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u/canaussiecan Apr 26 '22

If you isolate people from their support structures for prolonged periods, they will accept most conditions of freedom you set. This is how things like checkpoint society is being pushed for acceptance in other parts of the world.

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u/Expensive_Theme7023 Apr 26 '22

This is an actual Korean show I’m watching on Netflix at the moment called happiness.

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u/hibernatingcow Apr 26 '22

Hi which country are you watching it from because I don’t see the show on US Netflix.

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u/Aftmost17 Apr 26 '22

All of us are dead is also good. Korean zombie show. I'm in Canada

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u/immersemeinnature Apr 26 '22

Check out Kingdom. Another awesome Korean zombie movie. The hats are amazing.

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u/Stanley___Ipkiss Apr 26 '22

All of Us Are Dead, S2

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u/Peruvspice Apr 26 '22

Convenient surplus of goods used to control people, and a shortage of goods people actually need

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u/Catch_022 Apr 26 '22

Straight to the re-education camp.

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u/fred-dcvf Apr 26 '22

Seems like it's the re-education camp that is going to them.

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u/Academic_Signal_3777 Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

Wow! Everything is sooooo easy for kids now and days. Back in my day, we had to march through 100 miles of snow covered mountains to get to our re-education camps. Millennials, I swear!

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '22

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u/richmomz Apr 26 '22

Rumor has it China has a wee bit of a problem with authoritarianism.

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u/Skaparmannen Apr 26 '22

Pandemic 2: Viral Boogaloo

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u/Cleon451 Apr 26 '22

If transporting goods is difficult, and people are locked inside, how the fuck are people getting food?

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u/nzbule Apr 26 '22 Silver Helpful

I'm living in Shanghai, and we haven't had any fences installed (yet). It only really makes a difference if the building catches fire, which I have seen 2 videos of during the lockdown. From what I've heard, there's very little open, so there isn't much use in going out.

Since the start (April 1) we have been getting a single package of food from the govt about once a week, which is the same for all apartments regardless of number of tenants. The packages only contain a few items, like rice, spam, dried mushrooms. For most of our food the delivery system being used is done by placing large orders of 30 plus units to a vendor if you have enough people in your compound who want to take part in the order. If there are not enough people, then you can't order. The selection already sucks, and often orders need to be placed quickly before stocks run out. All orders need to be approved by the compound management too, and if they deem it non essential, then you won't get it.

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u/Uncle_Dirt_Face Apr 26 '22

I have a good friend in Shanghai and haven’t heard from him in months. I hope he’s not locked into his building; I know that could (possibly) make him suicidal. I get more worried for him each day.

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u/Satha_Aeros Apr 26 '22

This may or may not be feasible, but if you’re getting mushrooms there’s a chance you might be able to grow them (especially if they’re “oyster mushrooms”), even if they’re old and dried.

Mushrooms can reproduce by spores, and depending on the species, can grow on almost any organic matter though some tend to prefer wood-type material, others prefer things like expired veggies. Don’t feed them meat though.

There’s a chance you might be able to use the mushrooms you get to grow more of that type of mushroom. But I’m not an expert on this, I’d say hit up a search engine and/or ask around one of the mushroom subreddits to see if and how that might be viable. Wishing you all the best of luck.

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u/WonderfulShelter Apr 26 '22

No the dried mushrooms they're getting have been freeze dried most likely, or petrified. So they can't easily regrow them as we could with a slightly dry oyster mushroom from the market we get to go to.

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u/Polaris471 Apr 26 '22

Seems crazy to us from the outside. Hang in there; hope you’re doing ok! Godspeed.

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u/Car-Altruistic Apr 26 '22

They aren't. There are other videos of people screaming out of their windows because they're starving.

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u/Cleon451 Apr 26 '22

Well that's depressing

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u/lyyra Apr 26 '22

That's the thing--they're not, and haven't been for a few weeks now.

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u/Ylaaly Apr 26 '22

I'm wondering this, too, and have asked about it before with no answer. Aren't the people behind these gates, and those whose doors were welded shut before, basically condemned to die? Are these people not buried alive in their own homes to die from hunger or thirst or preventable ilnesses for which they can no longer get medication or treatment?

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u/1uckycc Apr 26 '22

I'm Chinese, the government distributes food, but a lot of it is of bad quality and not enough, it's totally treating people like animals, it's too hard to bear

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u/lordkelvin13 Apr 26 '22

-20 social credit score

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u/LewZealand79 Apr 26 '22

0 Meow Meow Beenz

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u/SneakyPope Apr 26 '22

1s don't get a rhyme because they're GARBAGE

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u/Foreign_Exchange9206 Apr 26 '22

The real virus is their government

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u/Jazzlike-Recover7560 Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

Probably from all the construction sites around the country that had to be demolished because a certain investment group went bankrupt with 2% of China's GDP.

This is also the financial vehicle that China has used to store over 70% (in real estate not this specific company) of its wealth. So I almost imagine they are doing this as a way to control their population during a recession that has to be going on in the background.

Also this little tidbit from a fortune article.

"Now, Beijing—recognizing China’s dwindling population growth, slowing urbanization, and inflated home prices—is trying to wean the property sector off the debt that fueled its rise and, in turn, reduce the economy’s reliance on the property sector and related industries, the largest contributor to GDP at 30%."

https://fortune.com/2021/12/02/chinese-real-estate-investing-home-ownership-evergrande/

Edit: Its just easier to block unhappy redditors that are always looking for an argument than actually arguing with them.

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u/sheltongib Apr 26 '22

Extreme in any circumstances. Except zombie incursion.

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u/nevets85 Apr 26 '22

Those fences aren't used to keep people in, they're keeping something out... North Korea also just pulled it's whole populations teeth in 43 minutes and Jerusalem completed it's wall.

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u/ImRonBurgandyyy Apr 26 '22

North Korea what now?

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u/keshido Apr 26 '22

World War Z reference. Great book, mediocre movie

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u/g_rich Apr 26 '22

The movie wasn’t even remotely related to the book. However the book would make a perfect HBO mini series, providing they don’t screw it up like GOT, each episode could be one story from the book documentary style. If you ever get a chance the audio book is excellent.

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u/tealcosmo Apr 26 '22

That's really true. It would make a great serial.

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u/Sentient_Corn Apr 26 '22

is there a significant difference between the book and the movie?

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u/randomways Apr 26 '22

One is told from multiple perspectives and the other from Brad Pitts

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u/chanandlerbong420 Apr 26 '22

And the movie is a pg13 zombie movie which means it sucks ass

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u/ZviZamir Apr 26 '22

I liked that movie.

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u/mtownhustler043 Apr 26 '22

I thought it was a good zombie movie, but not a good movie based on the book

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u/njakubow Apr 26 '22

Yes, the book is laid out much different than the movie. Like previous comments, the book is better.

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u/ObsidianNebula Apr 26 '22

As others have pointed out, there are multiple perspectives in the book. There are also significant changes to the actual story. In the book, the zombies are slow-moving, there's a lot of build up to the apocalypse happening rather than it being quick as depicted in the movie, the war lasts for years I believe, and the way the zombies are defeated is different. I think just about the only similarity I remember was Israel building a wall to protect themselves.

I think the movie itself was pretty entertaining but should have just been its own franchise rather than being WWZ. The book is great, and I also highly recommend the audiobook. Every chapter is a different character and is voiced by a different actor. There are quite a few famous actors that do some voice acting for the book.

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u/Minnestylin Apr 26 '22

It's from World War Z

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u/MrPete81 Apr 26 '22

But which side of the fence are the zombies?

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u/No-Mechanic8957 Apr 26 '22

The old reverse Shanghai...

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u/mrcradleyboopers Apr 26 '22 Silver Wholesome Starry Evil Cackle

Are you a robot?

Please click all the squares that show Government brutality.

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u/XmarkstheNOLA Apr 26 '22

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '22

You have marked, "no government brutality." Thank you and have a nice day.

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u/faptainfalcon Apr 26 '22 Take My Energy

Please come out to the white van to redeem your survey voucher.

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u/Phil_Mythroat Apr 26 '22

I would but the gate is locked

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u/Stalwart_Vanguard Apr 26 '22

So of there's a fire, you just.... Burn?

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u/CleverNameTheSecond Apr 26 '22

.... Yes

If you're lucky a fire Marshal will lead a team to remove the barricade in time but realistically you just burn.

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u/JadedMulberry7 Apr 26 '22

If the fire Marshal and their team aren't fenced into their homes.

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u/Ghostface311 Apr 26 '22

How are these people supposed to eat? Get groceries? This seems worse than prison

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u/RiverLover27 Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

A friend of mine lives in Shanghai with her family - they are having government issued food packages (rather random items and amounts) delivered every few days by unmanned robot things, plus the company her husband works for is also dropping off supplies (not sure how common that is). They are trading overstock with neighbours - for example they got 4 dozen eggs and didn’t need all of them - and doing a lot of baking.

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u/FreddyLynn345_ Apr 26 '22

Wow that's insane about the robot thing. I bet your friend is really grateful to have her husband's job/company supporting them. I'm sure that's not the case for everyone.

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u/la_vie_en_tulip Apr 26 '22

It is definitely not. Am in Shanghai and haven't even heard of robot deliveries.

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u/GoiterGlitter Apr 26 '22

They explained more down thread, the friend's spouse works for a big corporation so they are likely beyond financially secure.

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u/Galeron87 Apr 26 '22

What about medications people need?

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u/Pluxionist Apr 26 '22

I have some neighbors in my building that require medicine. They have to message one of the volunteers of the community to go get them the medicine they need from the doctor. And this is usually over the span of a few days, so they could go a few days without medicine if they've already run out.

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u/Disastrous_home_ Apr 26 '22

There's volunteers getting medication. A friend of mine needs quite a few meds and just gets in touch with a volunteer a week before she runs out. Not too different to getting a repeat prescription delivered in the west

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u/RiverLover27 Apr 26 '22

Good question, no idea though. They don’t need medication, so I don’t know what happens with people who do.

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u/Lemillion_Boy_of_War Apr 26 '22

I know profitable game companies based in china are buying groceries for their employees stuck in shanghai. I think its pretty common

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u/Pluxionist Apr 26 '22

Currently living in Shanghai.

We get government packages every few days, consisting of different things. Two days ago, got a box full of vegetables. Box before that consisted of toothpaste, a bar of soap, tissues, and a piece of spam-like meat. The quality of these vegetables is not the best, and some neighbors have had rotten meat given to them by the government.

In our community, since we've not had a case in a few weeks, they've opened up delivery services that we have to order in bulk. Usually, each building will just order together and then pick it up and distribute it based on what we bought. Delivery times could be the same day, up to three days later, depending on orders, supplies, distance, etc.

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u/4chanisperfect Apr 26 '22

Technically its getting delivered but many people havent seen fresh food for days

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u/mmatke Apr 26 '22

man sure sucks to rely on bureaucracy for food, water & product. I wonder if tampons & birth control have been delivered to women in lockdown. Probably not.

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u/Falcrist Apr 26 '22

I wonder if tampons & birth control have been delivered to women in lockdown. Probably not.

Oh god do they have washing machines in those apartments? If not, that presents a serious problem because you can't even use clean cloth.

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u/ubersoldat13 Apr 26 '22

Having lived in China, it's pretty common for apartments to have a washer/communal laundromat inside the building. Driers don't exist but that's normal for their culture.

Now, whether they have detergent is another question.

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u/Falcrist Apr 26 '22

You don't need a drier. I did without one for years while living in the UK. Detergent is a serious problem, though.

Not as scary as the food issues, but still a huge problem.

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u/escape_of_da_keets Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

My girlfriend is Chinese and her Dad is currently in the lockdown.

Sometimes they get free donations of varying quality... One time he got four sausages, a head of nappa and a dozen eggs. Two weeks later he got a 30-lb bag of rice and a bunch of condiments.

You can order food from a website but it's almost impossible because even in the extremely rare event that you can find a delivery, everything is upcharged like 500%.

There are also a bunch of scandals surrounding donated food. The donations come from other provinces and then get distributed to lower and lower-ranking officials to distribute. Because of the draconian lockdown measures, many deliveries simply take too long to be processed and the food rots... There have even been videos of large quantities of fresh food just sitting in non-refrigerated areas rotting.

Another issue is that there are suspicions that low-level officials have been taking the donated food and selling it over the delivery app to fatten their pockets. A video went viral in China of a guy who paid for food delivery and received stuff that was marked with donation stamps... He was of course disappeared and the video was taken down and called fake by the government, but there have been other cases.

Worse still, some people live in tiny apartments that don't even have stoves. There was a guy who was surviving by cooking instant noodles in a teapot... And then his electric stove broke.

People have gotten desparate enough that they broke out on purpose to get arrested, but even that's no guarantee. Even if you do get covid and get sent to the local concentration camp recovery center, some are good and some are bad. If the officials running them are being cheap so that they can skim off the top, you might be sleeping on the (dirt) ground and maybe eating gruel.

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u/IWorkForReddit100p Apr 26 '22

Who cares? They are not powerful enough to care about.

Irony aside, delivery. But if there are just a single case of covid in a neighborhood, delivery are blocked and people is just out of luck.

I read this in an article in danish news, with a dane living in Shanghai where delivery at first was working but then was cancelled due to a single case of covid in the neighborhood and leaving people to starvation.

After over two weeks he got a letter from the danish consulate that made him some kind of official person which permitted him to leave on paper. Though the first time he was returned to his apartment and the second, he fled during the night and almost got send back but managed to make it to an airport and fly out.

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u/Hahhahaahahahhelpme Apr 26 '22

I really wonder how far they could take it. At what point do people rise up?

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u/imariaprime Apr 26 '22

A few months ago. This is officially "too late".

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u/Jeriahswillgdp Apr 26 '22

I'd say it was too late a few decades ago.

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u/Norose Apr 26 '22

Well, this one time, in Tiananmen . . .

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u/1701Person Apr 26 '22

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u/Scipio33 Apr 26 '22

Lol for a moment I forgot that the evil running things in Tron was called the MCP, and it made for some interesting imagery.

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u/MarquisTytyroone Apr 26 '22

The state can literally not provide food, arguably the bare minimum responsibly of a state, and there still wouldn't rebellion. Just look at North Korea

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u/tacocat43 Apr 26 '22

Can not, or will not?

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u/HLef Interested Apr 26 '22

They mean "can choose not to provide food" I believe.

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u/DeweyMatter Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

I work with Chinese folk who are on WeChat all the time, when we talked yesterday about this, the consensus was that many of the people outside of areas such as Shanghai actually & strongly condemn the people in these areas, not the government response, but for failure to comply (we have folks here in the U.S. with similar mindsets).

Also there may be an element of intentional pain being inflicted upon the richer residences who in the past had flaunted rules in place by Xi (think of Jack Ma and the 160 billionaires that China has "lost" since 2021).

So I don't believe there will be any uprising...this is Xi's cultural revolution.

*edit: sleepy grammar corrections

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u/wutx2 Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

I remember a fresh off the boat Chinese family in Ohio I was friends with when Bush was elected. We were sitting in their kitchen eating dinner when I complained that I didn't like Bush and criticized him.

The mother of the family got immediately serious, scolded me and said, "He is our president now. You must follow him and not be critical."

This was notable because it felt like she really didn't care about Bush, but had been encultured to talk this way, and--perhaps most scary to me--had no sense of the importance of public criticism and free speech.

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u/Haldoldreams Apr 26 '22

In a similar vein, an ex once taught advanced English to a class of Chinese college students who were studying abroad in Thailand. He decided to center one unit around debate. He believed the ability to generate and back up original ideas demonstrated mastery of a language. However, his students struggled with generating original arguments and very much wanted him to feed them the information they were to present. After a few classes, a group of students came together and begged him to stop: it was not the place of the student to develop personal positions and opinions, they explained, and exhibiting such skills in China could cause people to perceive them as dangerous. I believe he stopped after that. The programming is alarmingly strong.

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u/danglinwang Apr 26 '22

Critical theory is forbidden in Chinese education and universities, which makes certain fields like sociology particularly toothless over there and also leads to challenges when dealing with issues that require a critical thought process

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u/EllisHughTiger Apr 26 '22

That's a big problem in many Asian countries. They push memorization over individual thinking and problem solving. Makes for good workers but require a lot of direction. Also why they have to copy so much from other countries.

Other countries focus less on memorization and more on problem solving, marketing, etc.

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u/smacksaw Apr 26 '22

I studied TESL in university, and if there's only one idea I got from the policy side, it's that I will make 100% of my students roleplay every possible kind of person.

Men will roleplay a female manager, women will roleplay a father, whatever. Because you have to deal with every scenario and understand where people are coming from.

We focus far too much on grammatical or spoken mastery and not enough on context, especially cultural. I see far too many immigrants who can't communicate because they don't understand social roles, implicatives, etc.

Generating original ideas is important, but also dealing with people who do the same. Which is why you have to roleplay both sides. Even if you are a compliant person, you need to understand culturally how original thinkers operate.

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u/danteelite Apr 26 '22

I had a similar experience in highschool that was extremely revealing and eye opening for me. I had been raised in Jamaica, seen poverty and different kinds of life so I was in no way a sheltered kid… but I was absolutely shook by what the simplest thing. My girlfriend at the time was half Chinese and her grandmother lived with them, and one day we were working on a project for class we were discussing Obama and some political stuff and started getting into things about political rights, and how challenge our government on certain things (that was basically the assignment, to find a way to get two fictional parties to agree on real world issues like abortion and guns or something like that..) and her grandmother started pacing outside her bedroom staring daggers at us and yelling at me… I assumed she was just upset she had a boy in her room, so I asked if we should go out to the dinner table to work, and she was like “No, she likes you.. that’s not it. She’s afraid that we’re discussing politics.. just ignore her.” and she yelled at her grandma to go away in mandarin.. a few minutes later as we were working she came back with the mother pointing and yelling and crying and freaking out! She came over and started trying to close the laptop, slapping my papers and started hugging us… it was SO BIZARRE to me. She was freaking out, but also hugging me and not angry AT ME.. the mother said we should just stop for a while and hang out, and we went to watch TV with her family and the grandmother just sat there rocking in place, cutting food on a cutting board on her lap literally nervously sweating…

I asked her mother what the issue is and everyone looked at each other and I felt very uncomfortable and out of the loop… then the mother spoke up and explained it to me. She literally is TERRIFIED of the government. She believed that us talking about the government badly, researching them, and writing a paper about it would bring devastation to her family. She was worried for us that we would be taken away at school or something ! I only assumed stuff like that happened in North Korea or something like that, it was the first time I really understood my freedoms as an American citizen and how bad much of the world truly has it. That poor woman had lived in America for decades by that point but was so scarred and broken by her living conditions that she had a legit panic attack because we were writing a paper about our government!

That really woke me up to how good we have it in America and how badly most Americans take it all for granted and abuse the freedoms and rights we have to be assholes. The fear in that woman’s eyes… the love and care she showed us, and how she genuinely worried about us will always be with me. She genuinely changed my mindset and taught me how important it is to be informed and try to understand others…

It’s still mind blowing to me that in our modern day, we still have places like NK, actual pirates, religious wars, flat earthers/anti vaxxers, and so much more! Information is readily available and we have the wealth and connectivity to fix the world, RIGHT NOW but we don’t. We just watch as people are literally put in cages in their own homes. But at least watching, acknowledging and not ignoring them is better than nothing. It just sucks to have so much, and still have so little to give….

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u/_AlreadyTaken_ Apr 26 '22

She grew up with the cultural revolution which was a national disaster. People turned against each other, even children against parents. Any hint of "anti-revolutionary thought" could cause you to end up in a labor camp or worse.

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u/flagship5 Apr 26 '22

Most Chinese American people don't have that mindset. Most of us left communist china for the reason of being able to criticize the president

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u/rgtn0w Apr 26 '22

I mean that story might jsut be an exception, I personally feel like you, in that families that actually went to immigrate somewhere do not feel a big attachment to mainland China but on the other hand what I've experiecned from, let's say, exchange students is that those are the ones that are obviously more biased

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u/The-Great-Beast-666 Apr 26 '22

I mean the ccp executed hundreds of college kids in 89 for protesting. With the lack of firearm ownership in China any people “rising up” would quickly be slaughtered. The last thing ccp want is another Tiananmen Square.

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u/Roqot Apr 26 '22

Plenty starving now in this lockdown where food isn't being delivered

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u/Firegremz Apr 26 '22

Accomplishment achieved... Full dystopia

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u/Bosavius Apr 26 '22 Silver

Never go full dystopia

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u/Jimmos_ Apr 26 '22

Everybody knows you never go full dystopia.

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u/Yamamotoshiro Apr 26 '22

Posting this comment from shanghai. I don't live in a district that has lots of positive cases, so I'm okay so far. No fences were installed for the main door of my apartment, thank you, God.

Fingers crossed that my life can get back on track sooner than later. And my result keeps holding on negative because I don't wanna go to the COVID camp.

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u/TheFriedRice17 Apr 26 '22

Hey hope you’ll be ok! That’s gotta be scary

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u/Yamamotoshiro Apr 26 '22

Thank you! I am okay so far. Quarantine for 26 days so far. Came to China at the beginning of 2022, quarantined for 28 days after entering the country. Now the quarantine life continued, and not knowing the end of this lifestyle. What I need to do is to focus on my work, and talk with all of you guys online!!

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u/seekers123 Apr 26 '22

You came for work? How long do you plan to stay in China?

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u/Yamamotoshiro Apr 26 '22

Honestly, I don't know yet. The job is great. Nice salary, friendly colleagues, and I get to work on what I am truly passionate about. I'm just gonna see where this job will take me to. No rush.

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u/nails_for_breakfast Apr 26 '22

Dude, there is no way any job is worth this risk

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u/seekers123 Apr 26 '22

Might be a bit intrusive but what field are you in and can you speak Mandarin?

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u/nails_for_breakfast Apr 26 '22

What are your prospects on getting the hell out of there while you still can?

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u/Pennyem Apr 26 '22

Highly recommend getting a stockpile of food and essentials for when covid comes to your block.

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u/Yamamotoshiro Apr 26 '22

Thank you for the suggestion!

That's exactly what I did for the past several weeks! I even download an app to keep track of the number of food and essentials. So far I am solid for a month.

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u/Pennyem Apr 26 '22

Awesome, I hope you stay well and can maybe help others too! Good luck out there.

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u/lilinette12 Apr 26 '22

Wow this is insane, this is like the plot before a zombie outbreak

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

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u/drAssh0le Apr 26 '22

...the windows in the middle picture literally have steel bars over them lmao

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u/wrapityup Apr 26 '22

Shanghai installs metal barriers and fences around people's homes to stop them from going out, in its latest brutal measure to battle Covid

https://www.insider.com/shanghai-lockdown-metal-barriers-and-fences-seal-off-peoples-homes-2022-4

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-61209761

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u/ziggyknar Apr 26 '22

This looks more serious than Covid…..

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u/all_in_tha_game Apr 26 '22

Imprisoning people in their homes - the logical outcome of a zero-COVID strategy.

To be clear, zero-COVID strategies are a fallacy and the intended results cannot be achieved. EVER.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

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u/mugwagon Apr 26 '22

THEY’RE TRYING TO BUILD A PRISON! (For you and meeeee) SOAD called it.

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u/Imposseeblip Apr 26 '22

Utilising bugs to pay for green fences around the world.

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u/Frickinwierdo Apr 26 '22

Just China doing China things. We'll all get "outraged" then keep buying their products and add this to the on going list of human rights violations. Nothing to see here, move along.

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u/Great_Dot9710 Apr 26 '22

nobody is going out saying they love Chinese products gimme gimme gimme, the problem is that everything is already made, bought wholesale, and sold elsewhere for profit.... people don't love Chinese products (you can hardly identify where shits made these days), companies just love money.

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u/Illuminaso Apr 26 '22

For real. They know they can get away with this, because the instant the outbreak is over and they can say "We have such low numbers, look at how good we're doing with Covid!" everyone will forget about THIS.

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u/leanneq84 Apr 26 '22

Currently living this! China is really working for their “zero COVID” strategy.

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u/crazy_pilot742 Apr 26 '22 Wholesome

"We've achieved Zero COVID in this building"

"Everyone's dead."

"I repeat, Zero COVID achieved."

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u/jeffufuh Apr 26 '22

*Ahem.* That's dynamic zero COVID, thank you very much.

Whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean.

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u/StellarManatee Apr 26 '22

This can't be just Covid surely? Is there a new mega-lethal strain or what?

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u/master_labor Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 27 '22 Wholesome

Nope this is just the hole China dug for itself when Xi adopted "zero covid". Due to the way the CCP is organized, more local CCP officials bear the responsibility for top down orders not being achieved. Since the top officials won't back down on this idea of zero covid (mostly to try and prove their government is globally superior), and local officials wanna keep their jobs, they'll go to drastic measures to ensure their region is still "zero covid" compliant.

You might be wondering, "how do you have zero covid if you have rising cases?" well you see silly, we just have to twist our idea of what "zero" means more than a Chinese contortionist. Cause in China it is still "zero" if the infected person is quarantined. Hench the fences, the quarantine camps, welding people into their homes (happened at the start of covid).

Edit: all sorts of typos and grammar issues due to my fat fingers and this tiny phone

Edit 2: Actually proof read... it was bad, I used the wrong "there/their/they're" in two places

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u/dimechimes Apr 26 '22

This is the real answer and it is only a quarter down the page. That's not too bad for reddit.

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u/rqzerp Apr 26 '22

Dictatorship.

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u/Affectionate-Side883 Apr 26 '22

Yes, the new strain is Government Tyranny.

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u/StellarManatee Apr 26 '22

In China? Lol, that particular strain isn't new

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u/One_Landscape541 Apr 26 '22

Yea I’m actually scared there’s something really wrong here. Everyone is just assuming its covid.

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u/R0Y-BATTY Apr 26 '22

It does seem like a huge overreaction I'll agree. Here in the U.K. life is and has been completely normal for many months now so I'm also wondering why they have gone so hard over there ?

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u/StellarManatee Apr 26 '22

It's the same here in Ireland. Life has gone on. Covid is still doing the rounds and we seem to have large case numbers but almost everyone is vaccinated and boostered. So why has China come down so hard now? Very strange.

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u/Consistent-Ant-37 Apr 26 '22

All this effort and resources…but no medical interventions. This is clearly not about a virus; this is about making an example of a select population so that everyone else gets the message and gets back in line.

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u/JimBeefLakeMonster Apr 26 '22

Good thing they don’t have fires and medical emergencies in China or else that would just be dangerous.

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u/maejaws Apr 26 '22

Let’s not forget people being beaten senseless on the street and then thrown into those camps.

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u/Inevitable_Arm3446 Apr 26 '22

Who ever owns the green fence company is beyond stoked right now.

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u/DreamingInAMaze Apr 26 '22

There is no such thing as freedom in China anyway.

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u/Due-Knowledge-1657 Apr 26 '22

None have a roof. How's this keep people in again?

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u/jarthgordon Apr 26 '22

Zombies can't climb, duh.

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u/MightGiverAgoskiii Apr 26 '22

This is completely fucked and anybody rooting for this or that tries to justify it is insane.

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u/LaughingJAY Apr 26 '22

Feels more like population control at this point

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u/oGodOh Apr 26 '22

Ive been Shanghaied

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u/fairyrocker91 Apr 26 '22 Wholesome

I happen to have some friends who are communists and/or very left and it bugs the shit out of me when some of them defend China (because they're "communists" ) or when Fox News viewers defend Russia.

Besides the Uyghur genocide, the Great Leap Forward, Tiananmen Square, Hong Kong, social credit scores, and the fact that China arguably isn't even truly Communist, they do shit like this.

I know our system is not perfect but at the very least, I can publicly call our president a bastard if I want to (unlike in Russia/China) and I'm not barred inside my building against my will, like in China.

So glad I live in a democracy, albeit an imperfect one. The people of China and Russia deserve better than Xi and Putin.

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u/Otherwise-Show5897 Apr 26 '22

Wtf talking about instilling fear. These people need help

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u/crazytib Apr 26 '22

Yep no red flags there, this is fine

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u/sjmahoney Apr 26 '22

there it is - no red flags on your building, you get a fence lol

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u/GoldenHourTraveler Apr 26 '22

This is terrible

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u/ryan2stix Apr 26 '22

Many studies have been done where confinement and induced stress can take away one's ability to think critically... it actually rewires the brain.. control the brain, you control the zombie.

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u/marlinmarlin99 Apr 26 '22

I can't say more other than zombies are real, people are losing it here in China