r/Damnthatsinteresting May 21 '22 Silver 1 Wholesome 1

What half a million gets you in San Jose,Ca vs Dallas,Tx Image

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u/raylan_givens6 May 21 '22

open roof plan seems extreme

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u/_WarmWoolenMittens_ May 21 '22

it makes the whole house seem so spacious though! + natural lighting!

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u/MNGirlinKY May 21 '22

The better to see all the poo

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u/complainipants May 21 '22

that's built in fertilizer for trending variegated houseplants!

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u/inconvenientnews May 22 '22 edited May 23 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Party Train Ally I'll Drink to That To The Stars

Since all the conservative culture warriors' talking points about California and Texas are here (from alt accounts from the same subreddit with the same comments at the exact same time)  ̄_(ツ)_/ ̄

If data disinfects, here’s a bucket of bleach:

Texans are 17% more likely to be murdered than Californians.

Texans are also 34% more likely to be raped and 25% more likely to kill themselves than Californians. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm

Californians on average live two years, four months and 24 days longer than Texans.

Compared with families in California, those in Texas earn 13% less and pay 3.8 percentage points more in taxes.

Sadly, the uncritical aping of this erroneous economic narrative reflects not only reporters’ gullibility but also their utility for conservative ideologues and corporate lobbyists, who score political points and regulatory concessions by spreading a spurious story line about California’s decline.

Don’t expect facts to change this. Reporters need a plot twist, and conservatives need California to lose. https://www.sacbee.com/opinion/op-ed/article258940938.html

Lower taxes in California than red states like Texas, which make up for no wealth income tax with higher taxes and fees on the poor and double property tax for the middle class:

Income Bracket Texas Tax Rate California Tax Rate
0-20% 13% 10.5%
20-40% 10.9% 9.4%
40-60% 9.7% 8.3%
60-80% 8.6% 9.0%
80-95% 7.4% 9.4%
95-99% 5.4% 9.9%
99-100% 3.1% 12.4%

Sources: https://itep.org/whopays/

Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer

It generated headlines in 2015 when the average life expectancy in the U.S. began to fall after decades of meager or no growth.

But it didn’t have to be that way, a team of researchers suggests in a new, peer-reviewed study Tuesday. And, in fact, states like California, which have implemented a broad slate of liberal policies, have kept pace with their Western European counterparts.

The study, co-authored by researchers at six North American universities, found that if all 50 states had all followed the lead of California and other liberal-leaning states on policies ranging from labor, immigration and civil rights to tobacco, gun control and the environment, it could have added between two and three years to the average American life expectancy.

Simply shifting from the most conservative labor laws to the most liberal ones, Montez said, would by itself increase the life expectancy in a state by a whole year.

If every state implemented the most liberal policies in all 16 areas, researchers said, the average American woman would live 2.8 years longer, while the average American man would add 2.1 years to his life. Whereas, if every state were to move to the most conservative end of the spectrum, it would decrease Americans’ average life expectancies by two years. On the country’s current policy trajectory, researchers estimate the U.S. will add about 0.4 years to its average life expectancy.

Liberal policies on the environment (emissions standards, limits on greenhouse gases, solar tax credit, endangered species laws), labor (high minimum wage, paid leave, no “right to work”), access to health care (expansion of Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, legal abortion), tobacco (indoor smoking bans, cigarette taxes), gun control (assault weapons ban, background check and registration requirements) and civil rights (ratification of the Equal Rights Amendment, equal pay laws, bans on discrimination and the death penalty) all resulted in better health outcomes, according to the study. For example, researchers found positive correlation between California’s car emission standards and its high minimum wage, to name a couple, with its longer lifespan, which at an average of 81.3 years, is among the highest in the country.

“When we’re looking for explanations, we need to be looking back historically, to see what are the roots of these troubles that have just been percolating now for 40 years,” Montez said.

Montez and her team saw the alarming numbers in 2015 and wanted to understand the root cause. What they found dated back to the 1980s, when state policies began to splinter down partisan lines. They examined 135 different policies, spanning over a dozen different fields, enacted by states between 1970 and 2014, and assigned states “liberalism” scores from zero — the most conservative — to one, the most liberal. When they compared it against state mortality data from the same timespan, the correlation was undeniable.

“We can take away from the study that state policies and state politics have damaged U.S. life expectancy since the ’80s,” said Jennifer Karas Montez, a Syracuse University sociologist and the study’s lead author. “Some policies are going in a direction that extend life expectancy. Some are going in a direction that shorten it. But on the whole, that the net result is that it’s damaging U.S. life expectancy.”

U.S. should follow California’s lead to improve its health outcomes, researchers say

Meanwhile, the life expectancy in states like California and Hawaii, which has the highest in the nation at 81.6 years, is on par with countries described by researchers as “world leaders:” Canada, Iceland and Sweden.

From 1970 to 2014, California transformed into the most liberal state in the country by the 135 policy markers studied by the researchers. It’s followed closely by Connecticut, which moved the furthest leftward from where it was 50 years ago, and a cluster of other states in the northeastern U.S., then Oregon and Washington.

In the same time, Oklahoma moved furthest to the right, but Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina and a host of other southern states still ranked as more conservative, according to the researchers.

It’s those states that moved in a conservative direction, researchers concluded, that held back the overall life expectancy in the U.S.

West Virginia ranked last in 2017, with an average life expectancy of about 74.6 years, which would put it 93rd in the world, right between Lithuania and Mauritius, and behind Honduras, Morocco, Tunisia and Vietnam. Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina rank only slightly better.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/08/04/liberal-policies-like-californias-keep-blue-state-residents-living-longer-study-finds/

Want to live longer, even if you're poor? Then move to a big city in California.

A low-income resident of San Francisco lives so much longer that it's equivalent to San Francisco curing cancer. All these statistics come from a massive new project on life expectancy and inequality that was just published in the Journal of the American Medical Association.

California, for instance, has been a national leader on smoking bans. Harvard's David Cutler, a co-author on the study "It's some combination of formal public policies and the effect that comes when you're around fewer people who have behaviors... high numbers of immigrants help explain the beneficial effects of immigrant-heavy areas with high levels of social support.

As the maternal death rate has mounted around the U.S., a small cadre of reformers has mobilized.

Meanwhile, life-saving practices that have become widely accepted in other affluent countries — and in a few states, notably California — have yet to take hold in many American hospitals.

Some of the earliest and most important work has come in California

Hospitals that adopted the toolkit saw a 21 percent decrease in near deaths from maternal bleeding in the first year.

By 2013, according to Main, maternal deaths in California fell to around 7 per 100,000 births, similar to the numbers in Canada, France and the Netherlands — a dramatic counter to the trends in other parts of the U.S.

California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative is informed by a professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Stanford and the University of California-San Francisco, who for many years ran the ob/gyn department at a San Francisco hospital.

Launched a decade ago, CMQCC aims to reduce not only mortality, but also life-threatening complications and racial disparities in obstetric care

It began by analyzing maternal deaths in the state over several years; in almost every case, it discovered, there was "at least some chance to alter the outcome."

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/12/527806002/focus-on-infants-during-childbirth-leaves-u-s-moms-in-danger

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u/flaskman May 22 '22

Damn …Redditor brought a rail gun to a knife fight!

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u/EatinSumGrapes May 22 '22

Basically, corporations and the super wealthy dump money into trashing places that are the most fair and helpful for the average person. As someone who used to be conservative when I was younger, it's crazy how shameless the right-wing media is and how they manipulate the not wealthy to hurt themselves while doing the wealthy's bidding. Of course manipulation comes from all types of people and groups, but the right-wing media is on a whole other level of disgrace. You can see so easily how it immediately hurts people, the number of poor conservatives dying from preventable things but are also against free healthcare is the best example. These people are literally killing themselves to do the bidding of the super wealthy.

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u/Zerthax May 22 '22

Liberal policies, like California’s, keep blue-state residents living longer

So ... move to an inexpensive part of a blue state?

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u/BigWeenie45 May 22 '22

I love how you use San Francisco for your comparison. LOADS of million+ houses. SF tries really hard to keep their city as rich as possible.

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u/inconvenientnews May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Thank you. Here's more data on statewide differences, like environmental and sustainable energy differences:

You Could Get Prison Time for Protesting a Pipeline in Texas—Even If It’s on Your Land

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/bst8fl/you_could_get_prison_time_for_protesting_a/

Fossil Fuel Exec Brags of 'Hitting the Jackpot' as Natural Gas Prices Surge Amid Deadly Crisis in Texas

https://www.reddit.com/r/environment/comments/lo5f4r/fossil_fuel_exec_brags_of_hitting_the_jackpot_as/

Texas Electric Bills Were $28 Billion Higher Under Deregulation - WSJ

https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-electric-bills-were-28-billion-higher-under-deregulation-11614162780

Texas spent more time fighting LGBTQ civil rights than fixing their power grid. How’d that work out?

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/lma8jj/texas_spent_more_time_fighting_lgbtq_civil_rights/

Leaked Audio Shows Oil Lobbyist Bragging About Success in Criminalizing Pipeline Protests

https://www.reddit.com/r/energy/comments/ct71mw/leaked_audio_shows_oil_lobbyist_bragging_about/

could cost Texas more money than any disaster in state history

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ls5dt7/winter_storm_could_cost_texas_more_money_than_any/

Former Texas Governor Rick Perry says that Texans find massive power outages preferable to having more federal government interference in the state's energy grid.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/rick-perry-says-texans-would-rather-be-without-power-for-days-than-have-more-fed-oversight

Abbott Appointees Gutted Enforcement of Texas Power Grid Rules

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Muzzled-and-eviscerated-Critics-say-Abbott-15982421.php

Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick Blames Constituents for Giant Electric Bills: “Read the Fine Print”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/02/dan-patrick-texas-electricity-bills

A Texas-size failure, followed by a familiar Texas response: Blame California

https://www.reddit.com/r/texas/comments/m87bg4/a_texassize_failure_followed_by_a_familiar_texas/

Texas Republicans during the power grid failures focused on:

From r/Texas users:

Only way to get the national guard to Texas is to have a BLM rally. Governor of the state has to request national guard

Pretty Sure the total cost of damage to personal property (burst pipes, fires) will far outweigh the cost skipped in 2011 to winterize power generation.

I was born in illinois and travel back and forth between dallas and chicago. Snow is waist high right now. The piles I shoveled from the driveway are 6 feet tall. And... no one cares. Illinois is prepared for this stuff, TX is not, but it should be. Should every citizen own snowpants and a snowblower? No. Should the powerplants stay on. yes, wtf.

  • Yeah, look at the ERCOT capacity graphs - the problems isn't the load (load is actually higher in summer when everyone is blasting their AC), it's that all these generators went offline because they were freezing up.

  • Why did they freeze up? Because the PUC of TX's policy is to not pay for capacity. Why? Because doing so would violate some sort of free-market dogma promoted by the TX Public Policy Foundation (https://files.texaspolicy.com/uploads/2018/08/16095417/2013-01-RR02-ResourceAdequacyElectricityMarkets-CEF-RMichaelsAKleit.pdf), which has held sway over the governor and a big hand in selecting the PUC commissioners.

It's confirmed: Frozen wind turbines were the least significant factor.

https://bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-02-16/frozen-wind-farms-were-just-a-small-piece-of-texas-s-power-woes

Federal agency FERC tried helping Texas multiple times, including in 2011 when they spelled out how and what to winterize at power plants:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bestof/comments/ll9urb/usir_francis_burton_finds_the_ferc_report_the/

Federal FERC report after 2011 Texas power outages (whose recommendations weren't followed):

The lack of any state, regional or Reliability Standards that directly require generators to perform winterization left winter-readiness dependent on plant or corporate choices. Generators were generally reactive as opposed to being proactive in their approach to winterization and preparedness. The single largest problem during the cold weather event was the freezing of instrumentation and equipment. Many generators failed to adequately prepare for winter, including the following: failed or inadequate heat traces, missing or inadequate wind breaks, inadequate insulation and lagging (metal covering for insulation), failure to have or to maintain heating elements and heat lamps in instrument cabinets, failure to train operators and maintenance personnel on winter preparations, lack of fuel switching training and drills, and failure to ensure adequate fuel.

Avoiding regulations:

The Texas Interconnected System — which for a long time was actually operated by two discrete entities, one for northern Texas and one for southern Texas — had another priority: staying out of the reach of federal regulators.

"Freedom from federal regulation was a cherished goal — more so because Texas had no regulation until the 1970s," writes Richard D. Cudahy in a 1995 article, "The Second Battle of the Alamo: The Midnight Connection."

https://www.texastribune.org/2011/02/08/texplainer-why-does-texas-have-its-own-power-grid/

Texas electrical grid failure is just another version of South Dakota's abnormally high CV-19 rate or Kansas budget crisis

A bumper sticker political ideology's false promises made self-evident, failing a real world test for all to see.

https://twitter.com/peterwsinger/status/1361675172336566273

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u/twowayrorrim May 22 '22

Apparently you can't get happier than a room without a roof, soooo....

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u/DweEbLez0 May 21 '22

Environment friendly!

Natural heating and cooling during the daily weather cycle.

If it gets too hot, wait until night time. Same if it’s cold, just wait till it’s sunny outside.

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u/Dumplinguine May 21 '22

If you think that's a lot for 500K, there's some midwestern and appalacian houses that would like to have a word

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u/treeman71 May 21 '22

Yeah you can buy a 3 bed 1 bath with a few acres in SE Ohio for like $160k

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u/IllustriousDegree740 May 21 '22

Can beat ya there’s a house in KY with 3 bed, 1 bath, huge basement, and a few acres for $110k in a suburban neighborhood with no HOA

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u/Hookem-Horns May 22 '22

I have you beat!

$200k new house in MI - 5 bedroom, 3 bath (3600sq feet)

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u/Jacksonofsun May 22 '22

Da UP has some good deals doncha know.

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u/robbzilla May 22 '22

It's especially nice during the 2nd week of deer camp!

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u/edelburg May 21 '22 Silver

Yeah but you're represented by an evil turtle bent on world destruction.

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u/Mizzou1976 May 21 '22

To say nothing of the looney tune who fights with his neighbor.

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u/After_Ride9911 May 21 '22

Correction. Gets ass kicked by Neighbor.

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u/quadmasta May 22 '22

Then rushes to Canada for medical treatment

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u/fingerscrossedcoup May 22 '22

But... waiting lists!

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u/mrpodo May 22 '22

The only way to kick the turtle out is to have people with a brain move there

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u/teacher272 May 22 '22

For $160k and no HOA, I’m fine with that.

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u/FunkyPlunkett May 21 '22

Damn he got you good.

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u/Deadpool9376 May 22 '22

Only way I’d live there is to vote that racist piece of shit turtle out and even then it wouldn’t be by choice. Decades of voting red has absolutely decimated KY and made it one of the poorest and worst places to live in the entire US.

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u/LAVATORR May 22 '22 Silver

Yes, but you have to live in Kentucky, surrounded by Kentuckians.

At a certain point ultra-low housing costs become a red flag.

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u/space_antlers May 22 '22

It's almost like people pay more to live in desirable places.

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u/BettyX May 22 '22

I heard a Comedian say "If the homeless don't even want to live in your state and city, it probably sucks" lol. When he was talking about conservative states bragging about not having a homeless problem.

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u/OMC78 May 22 '22

Surrounded by Dollar General stores!

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u/LA_Nail_Clippers May 22 '22

Let’s drive the 15 miles to Olive Garden so we can get unlimited diabetes!

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u/boatsnprose May 22 '22

That's the weird thing about these posts. The whole value in a home is based on location. It's the number 1 thing in real estate. The house barely matters.

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u/swimming_singularity May 22 '22

I'd love to live in a quiet low cost area, but I am worried about things like internet connection and access to quality hospitals. I can basically ignore neighbors, its the amenities of the location I worry about. Work from home requires a certain level of internet.

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u/An0ramian May 21 '22

Great now I’m living in Ohio😖

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u/ilikemyusername1 May 21 '22

Don’t do it.

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u/treeman71 May 22 '22

LOL definitely pros and cons to Ohio. Politicians suck but cost of living is cheap. Southeast Ohio is very economically depressed but is beautiful. I bought a fixer upper house for $34k two years ago. I have 2000 acres of public land behind my house and another 2700 across the road. Limited internet though....

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u/computerwtf May 22 '22

While reading this, I got excited every word until limited internet. I guess I stay in my shitty place with my 1 gb internet.

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u/Lilliputian0513 May 21 '22

Yeah I bought a 4 bedroom house just south of Richmond, Virginia for $196k just a year ago.

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u/Wildhogs6531 May 22 '22

Can confirm. From Ohio and bought a 4 bed 2 bath on 3.5 acres for under $150k

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u/Moag14 May 22 '22

Yeah but it’s Ohio

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u/Villifraendi May 21 '22

In Iceland you'd get an old 1 bedroom apartment in the city or a basement studio

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u/TeamBenchPress May 22 '22

Sounds like Iceland and Sydney have something in common!

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u/Ahyao17 May 22 '22

Just did a search on AUD700k-800k house (equiv to around USD500k)

The closest house to the CBD is a 30-40min drive and is a 2 bed shed. Doesn't even look like it has brick walls...

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u/booped_urnose345 May 21 '22

The homes in Milwaukee are crazy cheap!

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u/Dizzy8108 May 22 '22

5 years ago that would have been a $300k house in Dallas. Prices have doubled in that time. When I moved here in 2010 you could get a new house in a nice neighborhood for under $150k. Starter home with basic features mind you, but still new in a popular suburb.

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u/RAbites May 21 '22

Seriously. We paid less than 450K for our 5 bedroom, 5300 square foot, 3.5 bath house on 30 acres with a large pond, 2 car garage, and studio apartment in the basement.

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u/Thisisnow1984 May 21 '22

You show me a paystub for 2800$ a month and I quit my job and come work for you

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u/chickensalad402 May 21 '22

Really? I make that at a podunk factory in Neb.

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u/Narrow-Task May 22 '22

plenty of jobs pay that, not even in tech like the other person mentioned

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u/bmore_conslutant May 22 '22

it's like 30k a year it's pretty much poverty wages

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u/chickensalad402 May 22 '22

That's what I'm saying. I live in one of the lowest COL areas n have a shit low level job that most around here look down on. And I can still show him a 2,800 stub.

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u/Timmyty May 21 '22 edited May 22 '22

I got super downvoted last time I said this, but remote tech jobs easily pay much more.

I got some certs and did 2 years as help desk and I make over 6 figures now, on my third year of tech support. I do recognize that I was extremely fortunate to get hired where I was. I also truly am a hard worker (for the most part, lol) and I'm a good fit for the job.

Edit: TLDR, CompTIA A+, Network+, BS degree that was irrelevant to tech.

Fuck the 40k in debt that degree gave me though. I have coworkers who only worked tech jobs long enough and got hired for the same job without any certs or degrees.

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u/Baby-Calypso May 22 '22

Could you send me a link of something or get more into the technically of what I should be looking for?

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u/Hantesinferno May 22 '22

Dude if they let you know anything please send it my way.

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u/Xtasy0178 May 21 '22

What does your wife’s boyfriend do for a living?

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u/2020_GR78 May 21 '22

His wife...

I'll see myself out, bye.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '22

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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u/Dumplinguine May 21 '22

Lol, there is no shortage of space in some of those towns thanks to depopulation. I'd love to see a bunch of bay area folks try mixing in though

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u/Major_Warrens_Dingus May 21 '22

First three rules of property value:

  1. Location

  2. Location

  3. Location

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u/Carvj94 May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

Yea most people forget the land itself has value cause in most places the value of the property is 80% house and 10% infrastructure and 10% land. In this case it's like 80% land.

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u/akaBarbarossa May 22 '22

In this case it’s 105% land value…the land would literally be worth more if there was nothing on it. That house is a complete tear down and the builder will incur demolition costs.

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u/AKABeast18 May 22 '22

I grew up a few miles from this area. My mom bought her house in the 70’s when it was built for $40k. It’s a small 1509 sq ft one story with absolutely nothing special. She can sell it right now for 1.2 million.

This is just pretty much land to be flipped and sold for at least double what you pay.

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u/RagingAnemone May 22 '22

In 10 years, the Dallas house will be worth $600k and the San Jose house will be worth $2m

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Yeah who the hell WANTS to live in Texas!?!

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u/Sun_on_my_shoulders May 22 '22

That’s like asking who wants to live in gilead.

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u/el-dongler May 22 '22

I'm from Dallas and the part this house is in sucks ass. It's a little oasis surrounded by a big ass shit hole.

Good tacos nearby guaranteed though.

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u/NorthEnglandChap May 21 '22

I love looking at properties online. In the UK I use Rightmove or Zoopla. Is there an equivalent site that I can go on to nosey around American homes?

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u/UND1SPUTED_B0SS May 21 '22

Zillow or Redfin, mate

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u/NorthEnglandChap May 21 '22

Cheers pal.

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u/Better_than_Zero May 22 '22

I'd also suggest checking out /r/zillowgonewild if you want to see some of the more interesting listings.

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u/waltsnider1 May 22 '22

I like Trulia, personally.

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u/Boxatr0n May 21 '22

Zillow is the easiest for me to use

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u/finix240 May 21 '22

My friend is a Mexican citizen and is in the process of buying a $200,000 mansion on the beach in Mexico with her friends. I’m talking 8+ bedrooms, pool, ocean view, the works. Crazy how property value works

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u/lenzkies79088 May 21 '22

And where does she work?

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u/finix240 May 21 '22

Her and her wife both work remotely

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u/lenzkies79088 May 21 '22

Of course she does lol. She scored

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u/phpdevster May 22 '22

Well she's fortunate enough to work for a company that doesn't do geo adjustments to salary. My company would say "Oh you live in Mexico? We'll just go ahead and cut your salary from $140,000 to $20,000"

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u/MyPeepeeFeelsSilly May 22 '22

So they can pay less due to where you live, but not more due to overall inflation. Hmm yes this bullshit tastes like bullshit.

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u/cockedpipe May 22 '22

This right here. Fuck the corporations

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u/Antrephellious May 22 '22

“This person is very wealthy.” “What job do they do to make so much money?” “Something from far away. Doing things far away makes money.”

What’s the job bro

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u/musci1223 May 22 '22

I mean there are very few high paying jobs that would easily allow remote. Most likely some thing IT related

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u/PizzaOldBoy May 21 '22

uh huh, always gotta make more money than the people who actually live there in order to live there. crazy huh

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u/Itchybawlz23-2 May 22 '22

Pricing out the locals lmao. Thats everywhere tbh… Hawaii, Bay Area, LA

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u/Baphemut May 22 '22

Same in Seattle area :/

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u/jayrack13 May 22 '22

Remote work is sweet, but it doesn’t mean that you can work from anywhere in the world. I’m 100% remote and it’s very rare for the company to let you work from outside the us, especially full time. My company wouldn’t even let me do it for 2 weeks.

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u/SpacePixelAxe May 22 '22

Sounds like her salary isn’t getting adjusted to Mexico level. Lol who wouldn’t work remotely? I think companies are catching on

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u/hunnyflash May 22 '22

I did some remote courses with a Fullstack Dev who lived in the Dominican Republic. He worked mainly for American companies at his usual rates, although he did say he'd often get $30k or so less per contract vs if he went into the office. He said sometimes they'd offer crazy incentives for him if he would move and work in office and he'd always turn it down.

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u/fuckitallendisnear May 21 '22

This. Such an awesome idea especially if younger folks. Gotta pay rent somewhere why not do it right with a few roomies.

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u/SirSteyr May 22 '22

Not fun fact: bills are popping up in various states to ban having too many roommates or roommates at all.

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u/Mux_Potatoes May 22 '22

Isn’t that fucked? “wHa’ aBoUt mA fReEdOms”

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u/Tvix May 22 '22

On the flip side I've lived in a 7 person house with two bathrooms and one kitchen. We had anyone from kids just out of school to a grandma there. Everyone just trying to make ends meet.

It sucked.

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u/w3h45j May 21 '22

How safe is it? I have been to Mexico about a dozen times in the late 90s and early 00s, and really like some parts. I'd like to move there, but my biggest concern is safety. I haven't been back since like 2008, except for a short visit to a small town on the Belize boarder, La Union Quintana Roo.

I have a buddy who lives in Monclova and he said he has a safe room in his house and office.

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u/finix240 May 21 '22

I can’t say. I’d imagine it’s like every country in that there are safe parts and dangerous parts. She’s Mexican so she has a lot more insight into where she wants to live than me

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u/dcw9031 May 22 '22

Yeah that probably helps. I was there in 2012. Spent some time on the lower Yucatán. Got robbed by the “local” police at high 1200. Had a blast though.

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u/star_nerdy May 22 '22

Safety in Mexico depends on how much attention you bring to yourself.

When I was a kid in the 1990s and early 2000s, my family would go to Mexico every Christmas in an RV. People started making up rumors that we were narcos and that we were rich. My parents were a mechanic and waitress lol.

You might find people making stuff up about you and it could be harmless. If you have too nice of a car and are in the wrong town, you could find yourself having to abandon the property. The more rural you go, you might find cops who actively help cartels.

You might also have to pay protection to stay safe. There was a professional wrestler who recently was arrested and told to pay a ransom or he’d end up in prison.

Express kidnappings are also a thing and cartels won’t hesitate to kill people because they got in the way.

Cartels steal gas and resell it. While tapping into the pipe, they blew up a house with all of a guy’s family. The guy got a settlement from the gas company and the cartel came back to take the settlement.

Ultimately, there are better places to live for cheap.

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u/InHoc12 May 21 '22

I’ve explored this route and have some friends who live in Tijuana and another that goes to all different parts of Baja to fish.

Generally it’s not super safe. You also make yourself a serious target if you’re the rich white American in town. You can get around some of it with cameras, gated security, etc. and if you have some street smarts you should be fine, but I’ve generally been told that it’s not really a route worth exploring unless you’re in a gated community with tons of Americans with a very expensive HOA.

At that point you end up paying basically US priced anyway with out all the convenience that you get in the US (healthcare, great groceries and restaurants, concerts, etc.)

My friends dad was a CEO of a top tech company and made over $100M in his career. They have a house in Punta Mita for the winters and Seattle for the summers. Get that 0% state income and save like $10M a year lol. Must be nice.

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u/w3h45j May 21 '22

Costa Rica it is then!

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u/tdl432 May 21 '22

I live in Los Cabos, BCS. It is 100% safe. Many expats from the US and Canada are relocating here permanently.

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u/VictoryGreen May 22 '22

Yeah.... let's be real. It's not 100% safe. Been there and you need to draw a line around certain areas.

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u/[deleted] May 21 '22 edited May 22 '22

I have a huge mansion in Pakistan that I bought for around 200k in a nice area. We are talking 3 floors, 10 bedrooms. Dollar goes a long way in other countries.

Edit: It’s more like 400-500k

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u/madewithgarageband May 21 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

The price is based on the fact people want to buy that property for 577k, tear it down and build something new and sell it for 2 million.

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u/BlueAmsterdam93 May 21 '22

I work all over the Bay Area, I work in construction, complete remodels in homes like this one in San Jose for a guy that flips homes, if they save at least one good wall they save themselves from a load of fees and permits because then it’s still considered a “remodel”. It doesn’t take much to bring this home back our average bid to bring a home back completely is around 40k and if they want to make it extra nice we would bid around 80k, we once did a completely burned down 3 bed 2 bath home for 120k. the amount of value you get back from a home like the one you see above is insane in California especially in the Bay Area there’s nothing below 700k that’s in livable condition. At least for a regular 3bed home.

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u/hotwheelearl May 22 '22

My dad paid over $100k in 2019-2020 to completely renovate the inside of a house that was 1,400 sqft. Your price seem great

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u/BlueAmsterdam93 May 22 '22

Yeah always get bids from different contractors. Also ask to see pictures of previous jobs of course.

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u/Chris2112 May 22 '22

Yeah you really can't make a comparison based on the house alone. Even in the same city / town, house price is going to very a lot based on how much the land is worth. But none of that matters to the smoothbrains that just want to shit on CA

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u/Square_Company_675 May 21 '22

Oh for real? You mean they aren't going to spend $577k for this house and live in it as-is?

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u/slimyfrog May 21 '22

The point is that the house itself in California isn't worth much at all. What you are paying an arm and a leg for is the land the building is sitting on.Especially in the bay area due to high population density and limited open land.

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u/randomthug May 22 '22

It's always been this way, specifically in my knowledge in west LA. My old man would spend so much money on broken down places to do tear downs, Manhatten beach back in... hmm lets say it was late 90s. Spending this 500k on a small lot to tear it down and build a 2.5 Million home facing away from the fucking beach.

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u/RobotKitten May 22 '22

When my bay area house was appraised the house was worth 18% of the total value, the other 82% of value was land.

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u/magnetic_yeti May 22 '22

It’s crazy that we created zoning rules that basically prevent you from building a bunch of houses worth 80% of the land they sit on.

A single family home, if it’s in good shape, worth only 1/4 as much as the land it sits on should almost always be allowed to be turned into a 5-10 family home instead.

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u/HeavyMetalOverbite May 21 '22

You get what you pay for.

Also, Location, Location, Location

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u/Common-Possibility79 May 21 '22

Working power grid and women’s rights.

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u/w3h45j May 21 '22

Legal pot, tons of outdoor activities, great weather, Santa Cruz is just over the hill, no ye-haw bull shit, etc

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u/out_o_focus May 22 '22

Cheaper property tax, top notch university systems, some protections from predatory health insurance practices, better representative government.

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u/voting-jasmine May 22 '22

Far superior labor laws and tenant laws

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u/IntrovertSwag May 21 '22

I lived in Texas for 12 years and the prices had been rising to ridiculous amounts in some areas. But at least it's not as bad as CA yet

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u/ArchitectNebulous May 21 '22

Key word being 'Yet'.

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u/tuna_safe_dolphin May 22 '22

I lived there for 8 years and left. Could have made a bit more if I stayed longer but it's impossible to time the market so I'm not really kicking myself. However, seeing how things are changing politically in Texas, I don't regret leaving.

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u/DocPeacock May 22 '22

Pretty soon they'll only have a working power grid for 6 months out of the year, but at least there won't have abortions.

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

Property taxes were high because the cost of homes were low. Now with the enormous influx into the state driving up demand, cost of homes have skyrocketed making the property taxes unrealistic. Government moves slow, they need to bring it down now that homes have gone up.

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u/zzzrecruit May 22 '22

Property taxes alone keep me away from Texas. And the prices there are even higher than most counties in California barring SoCal and the Bay Area.

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u/Bully-Rook May 22 '22

Our neighbors moved to TX, were saying how great the home prices were. Come to find out the property taxes make up for it.

You're right, they get you one way or another.

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u/transfemininemystiq May 22 '22 edited May 22 '22

No no no there's nothing in california but San Francisco and LA. Nobody else lives anywhere else in the whole state, and everybody pays 20,000,0000,000 in weekly rent.

You definitely shouldn't come here. There's definitely not great economic prospects, an amazing climate, chill west-coast culture, or breathtakingly beautiful landscapes in any of the smaller and cheaper cities which, as I've already said, definitely don't exist.

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u/TabletopOneironaut May 22 '22

67% of California's population lives in the bay area and the greater LA area. So it's only a bit hyperbolic to say no one lives anywhere else lol

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u/Smegmatron3030 May 22 '22

Isn't this most states? 60% of Oregon residents live in the Portland metro. 50% of Idaho lives in Boise.

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u/Studentloangambler May 21 '22

That because everyone is moving here

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u/martiniolives2 May 21 '22

Wait til they learn about property taxe appraisals. California's average effective property tax rate is just 0.72% – among the lowest in the country. In Texas, they'll pay 1.9%.

I just read about more than 200,000 Texans protesting. https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/dfw-property-taxes-a-lot-of-you-disagree-with-your-homes-value-176k-tax-appraisal-protests-filed-in-dallas-county-so-far/287-1c9d7d80-3cac-4972-ae53-19fd9c8b3976

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u/lpmusix May 21 '22

California's average effective property tax rate is just 0.72%

Only after you've been here for a sufficiently long time period, because prop 13. Your first few years are going to exceed 1.1% almost guaranteed (still far lower than Texas' rate, of course)

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u/ucblockhead May 22 '22

Not "almost guaranteed", but absolutely guaranteed as your property tax is 1.25% of the purchase price of the house, based on prop 13. If you were lucky, and bought that house that is now $1.5million for $150k in the 80s, then your effective property tax rate is 0.125%. (Ignoring various minor fees, etc.)

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u/lpmusix May 22 '22

The limit is 1% https://www.sccassessor.org/index.php/faq/understanding-proposition-13

The additional comes from bonds and I just assumed that’s gonna roughly be .10%

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u/jluicifer May 21 '22

My sister and her friends are protesting their property in Dallas. This one bought his house for $380,000 in Prosper,Tx. It’s basically an hour up north of Dallas. Then the PGA Golf people are opening their headquarters there and the projected value of his home is $600,000…in two plus years.

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u/lee_unit May 22 '22

I’m playing the worlds tiniest violin for them. Their house is going up in value by $220,000 in just two years because of a development nearby.

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u/Gummo90028 May 22 '22

To be fair they should compare San Jose to Austin not Dallas. Same for most major California metropolis. California will always be way higher. There’s a reason. My family left Shamrock TX during the dust bowl and never looked back. I’m lucky because of it.

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u/USMCWrangler May 21 '22

Merely a flesh wound!

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u/StalinAndTheUSSR May 21 '22

tbh it seems a little cherry picked

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u/MC_ScattCatt May 22 '22

It is. I live in Dallas and there’s a lot worse and smaller homes worth a lot more. This home is surrounded by an industrial area.

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u/DeletingAfterMOASS May 22 '22

You’ll need to cherry-pick when you want to make Texas look good compared to California.

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u/Thx4Coming2MyTedTalk May 22 '22

Yeah but in California you have electricity.

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u/selectmyacctnameplz May 21 '22

San Jose must be at a good location 😅

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u/lapideous May 21 '22

It's Silicon Valley, so tons of crazy tech jobs. Some fresh CS grads are making $200k+ at their first tech jobs at Google/FB/Apple/etc.

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u/RenoTheRhino May 21 '22 edited May 22 '22

To me it’s weird, sure 200k sounds like a lot. But if you’re required to stay in that area and not wfh, then the cost of living is so high that’s it actually not that much

Edit: I stand corrected

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u/EducationalBridge307 May 22 '22

I moved from South Carolina to the Bay Area for one of those tech jobs right out of college. My rent in SC before moving was around $700/mo and my prospective salaries were ~$90k. In Mountain View, CA my rent was $2,600/mo and my salary was ~$200k. Even though the rent is over triple what I was paying before, the margin after cost of living adjustment is still over double what it would have been in SC (+$168k vs +$82k). Plus, now I get to live in the Bay Area, which is generally a pretty cool place to live!

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u/DaisyDuckens May 21 '22

And property tax in California is a little lower. When we looked at Texas, we had to look for cheaper than we could afford in California to make up for the property taxes. It was also hard to find a house without an HOA in Texas (we were lookin outside San Antonio). We ended up buying in Bay Area. Paid a lot but the weather is worth it.

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u/Smegmatron3030 May 22 '22

If you do the math I promise it's worth it. Even if literally all of your expenses double with that doubled salary (they don't), you're still doubling your savings/retirement as well. There's a reason Californians can flood other areas and drive up property values - they have a ton of assets.

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u/lapideous May 21 '22

Cost of living is mostly housing, if you can afford to buy then your mortgage basically is just a different kind of bank account. The mortgage money comes back to you with interest when you sell.

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u/tablerockz May 22 '22

But the %10 percent you put away for retirement ends up being way more.

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u/ox_raider May 21 '22

I know you’re just making a throw away comment, but believe it or not, that listing is in the cheapest part of San Jose.

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u/Gutyenkhuk May 21 '22

It has the personality of an airport parking lot. Which I love. A lot of diversity within a 10 mile radius.

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u/LifeIsFaang May 21 '22

This just says the land is much more valuable in san jose than dallas

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u/OhPiggly May 21 '22

The house in Dallas is barely inside the Dallas city limits. It’s in a historically shitty part of town and super far from the developing areas of the DFW region.

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u/FindingMememo May 21 '22

Came here to say this! That is not a desirable neighborhood, and it’s like 30 min at least from downtown. Around where I am, and a lot of other areas, in DFW the tear-downs are going for the same amount as the San Jose example.

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u/OhPiggly May 22 '22

Yeah, I’m up in the west plano area and you couldn’t find a house like that for under $800k.

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u/BNS972 May 22 '22

I literally just saw a half burned down house near lower Greenville for 500k on Zillow like a month ago

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u/dishonestdick May 21 '22

You don’t buy homes, you buy land in a location.

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u/harolduh May 22 '22

The only problem I see with the house on the right is that you have to live in Dallas

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u/MrLuigiMario May 21 '22

You're telling me house in a metro area near mountains and the oceans is more expensive than a house on a desert cul de sac an hour from anywhere except Target and Chain restaurants? Shocking.

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u/DarkStrobeLight May 21 '22

Laughs in Midwest

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u/muststayawaketonod May 22 '22

Yeah but we can have abortions and smoke weed in California.

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u/Peacemkr45 May 22 '22

That's in SE Dallas just South of Oak Cliff so not exactly the high priced part of town. Oak cliff Dallas is very much like Compton or the Watts district of LA.

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u/Lch207560 May 22 '22

The only problem with the Dallas house is that after you buy it you find yourself living in Dallas.

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u/Cecca105 May 21 '22

Yes but also mention that property taxes in Texas are almost double. $760 in Texas vs $430 in Cali.

source

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u/Chaos_Sauce May 21 '22

Yup. We’re moving from Texas to Colorado soon and even though the sticker price on the house in Colorado is a lot higher, property taxes are so insane in Texas, that the monthly mortgage payout is about the same.

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u/tacoafficionado May 22 '22

The taxes on a comparable home in Texas will be lower. If that house was not completely falling apart it would be over 1 million dollars.

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u/Pizzadiamond May 22 '22

who tf wants to live in San Jose

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u/trackdaybruh May 21 '22

The owner of the Dallas house: "Jealous that my house is cheaper than yours and bigger?"

The owner of that San Jose house: "Why would I be jealous my burnt down house is worth more than yours?"

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u/punkslaot May 21 '22

San jose all day long over Dallas

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u/Easy_Explanation4409 May 21 '22

But you would have to live in Texas.

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u/w3h45j May 21 '22

and its not even decent TX like San Antonio or Austin. Its freaking DFW.

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u/virtualyesteryay May 21 '22

I'm a woman and would rather live in a teeny tiny CA home than anywhere in Texas

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u/voting-jasmine May 22 '22

Woman here living in a teeny tiny California home working for a company that would allow me to live in either state. It was an easy choice. Huh. "Choice"... Interesting phrasing...

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u/scottieducati May 21 '22

Yeah, but then you’d be in Dallas…. Wonder if the power will stay on, and know your daughters, sisters and female relatives don’t have rights.

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u/Mundane_Difference56 May 22 '22

It’s fine for gay couples.

Oh. Wait. Well, maybe not.

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u/tuna_safe_dolphin May 22 '22

What's more fucked up is how many people WANT that.

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u/VonBeegs May 22 '22

There are a lot of lame, fuck ugly dudes out there.

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u/AmishRocket May 22 '22

$160 per square foot is cheap in Dallas. This house is in SE Dallas — not the most desirable area by far.

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u/Captain_Blackjack May 22 '22

Context: these get bought by wealthy buyers/trusts that can easy fix up or rebuild. They just want the property for the location value.

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u/kremedelakrym May 22 '22

Grew up in San Jose, accurate af.

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u/Sloth_Dream-King May 21 '22

To be fair, that San Jose listing is a "DIY'ers dream"

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u/Senor-Cockblock May 21 '22

Living in Texas will be all fun and games until your girl gets put in jail, because your contraception failed and you didn’t want to have another child.

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u/Apropos_apoptosis May 22 '22

Or the mother of your children has complications on the current child and you lose your wife and mother. TX has an absurdly high maternal mortality rate.

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u/Scrapper-Mom May 21 '22

Or you have a gay or transgender child and CPS knocks on your door.

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u/FadedCavaleriei May 21 '22

Worth it not to live in the handmaid's tale

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u/jazzgalactic May 21 '22

You can easily find houses in nice areas within 30 minutes of the ocean for $500K or less in California. San Jose is one of the biggest tech hubs in CA, people with tech salaries can afford houses like that relatively easily. It's not that uncommon for individuals in the Bay Area to make $100K+ a year.

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u/skbond007 May 21 '22

$100k is not even in the game! People here regularly make $300k in senior roles

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u/lapideous May 21 '22

Top CS grads regularly get $200k+ starting for their first jobs

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u/macaiste May 21 '22

I would rather live in a ditch than live in Texas.

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u/lenme125 May 21 '22

Yes. But then youre in Texas....

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u/SANMAN0927 May 21 '22

Californian here. Company based in Dallas. I hate going to Texas.

Fake people, horrible politics. And nothing that supports the families or those in need.

I’m fine paying more to live at the beach and my taxes go to good.

I’m not saying CA is the best place on earth but lord it’s light years ahead of texas

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u/tabicat1874 May 21 '22

I've lived in both. Texas can get fucked.

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u/kamil_tib May 21 '22

Incredible, you can do a full remodeling for the only $17k!

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u/Magneticitist May 22 '22

Laughs in NC

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u/Johnnyonthespot2111 May 22 '22

Yeah but do you know the way to San Jose?

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u/[deleted] May 22 '22

I mean, both are completely unaffordable.