r/Damnthatsinteresting Jun 27 '22

Medieval armor vs. heavyweight bow & arrow Video

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u/Koltroc Jun 27 '22

I honestly expected the arrows to go through the armor. That surprised me a lot

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u/perorinpororin Jun 27 '22

I remember watching this video some time ago. It's all about the curvature of the armor that deflects the arrows. That curved V line on the upper part is there so if the arrow slides upwards, it gets sent to the sides and don't hit the head

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u/BrodinsDisciple412 Jun 27 '22

This is the same premise with modern tank armor slopes. The round deflects off.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '22

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u/Danielq37 Jun 27 '22

Who exactly are you talking about? This video is from Tods Workshop. I'm not watching him regularly but what was said in this video seemed plausible to me.

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u/HowItsGodDamnMade Jun 28 '22

No no, you see, the armor was designed to kill the wearer.

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u/Danielq37 Jun 28 '22

Sarcasm? I just wanted to find out what the other guy meant with Tods Workshop spreading misinformation.

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u/cherry_armoir Jun 27 '22

Eh even knowing that Id still ask the armorer to make my armor with molded abs. I may take an arrow but Ill look cut as fuck doing it

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u/kevineleveneleven Jun 27 '22

Also it helps keep all those sharp splinters away

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u/fBarney Jun 27 '22

I doubt they would use armor back then if it was as useless as it is in movies and games

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u/Zequax Jun 27 '22

hollywood have made you dumb once more

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u/Leon-Tm3 Jun 27 '22

i thougt it would get 1 hit killed, video games are kinda exaggerated

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u/the_Kind_Advocate Jun 27 '22

I mean. That first arrow would have gotten you right in the gut. So depending on what exactly it hit. You aren't long for the world.

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u/grizzlyadams1990 Jun 27 '22

Back then if god wills it you die

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u/Linktank Jun 27 '22

But now we're impervious because we don't believe in him. It's like IT ... He's only dangerous if you believe in him.

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u/[deleted] Jun 27 '22

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u/the_Kind_Advocate Jun 27 '22

that moment when you hope to go septic quickly because itll be faster.

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u/MDMistro Jun 27 '22

Tb shows have us trained well haha

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u/Atlhou Jun 27 '22

It's almost like the designers weren't there.

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u/MrSparr0w Jun 27 '22

Would suck if bows were useless in games

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u/SchizoidRainbow Jun 27 '22

The "V" in the neck is to redirect broken arrowheads to the side, which otherwise deflect upwards into your face. How many people took an arrow up their nose before they added this feature, we may never know.

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u/GiraffeAnatomy Jun 27 '22

I was just thinking: Gotta love when one of those splinters goes straight up into your neck and under your chin.

Awesome they though of this V, it definitely helps. But it still looks like a bad bounce could still catch you though.

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u/SchizoidRainbow Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Yeah there’s no real “safe” way to be in a war.

The French added a quilted bib, can’t recall the name. Literally like a puffy quilted blanket hanging down your chest. It would catch those stray arrowheads in the cloth. But that’s extra bogging-down you may not want. Still, you could always discard it I guess.

EDIT: "Jupon"

They actually test these in the full video, here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxdTkddHaE

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u/wileyrielly Jun 28 '22

Are you just coming to that conclusion from the video?

It's a fair conclusion but just wondering if you have a source?

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u/SchizoidRainbow Jun 28 '22

Not from this video, but weirdly I don’t keep a comprehensive bibliography of everything I ever read. So I have no link handy. But feel free to do your own searching.

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u/wileyrielly Jun 28 '22

Nah that suffices - saying you read it. Just wondering if it was from this Vid or you got it from somewhere else. Mr snarky

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u/SchizoidRainbow Jun 28 '22

Weirdly after a bit of searching, I find this video is heavily edited down from its original. And it IS actually mentioned in this video. They do the jupon testing, too.

Try here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBxdTkddHaE

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u/Balrog229 Jun 27 '22

People have a lot of misconceptions about plate armor. I’m still surprised by how many people think a sword can puncture hardened steel plate armor, and that’s even less likely than arrows.

Even Game of Thrones had a scene where Sir Jorah talks about his sword being “designed for piercing plate”. And he even gets killed by a sword piercing his plate armor. Both scenes made me chuckle cuz that’s absurd.

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u/trollgrock Jun 27 '22

So that is where you draw the line in GoT vs reality. Kidding.

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u/Balrog229 Jun 27 '22

Lmao i know it’s fantasy, but as i always like to say “Just cuz they have dragons doesn’t mean their steel is softer than in real life.”

Also, they still have gravity. The same amount of gravity, too. So basic elements of physics and metallurgy still apply

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u/grumble11 Jun 27 '22

What you want from a fantasy world isn’t reality, it’s internal consistency. Sure put dragons in, but then build a world that can have dragons in it and have that make sense, and then have everything else about the world also make sense too

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u/halfie1987 Jun 27 '22

I might be wrong but I thought cross-bows were invented to shoot arrows through armor. Long bows have a higher range but not the stopping power.

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u/chaoslu Jun 27 '22

I think this is a misconception Longbow/war bow you need years of training just to draw the bow back. In the video you can see the shooters back is always fully engaged you need all your muscles to shoot a bow that heavy.

A crossbow is more expensive but you need very little training to shoot it's also easyer to aim. You have more time to aim. You don't need years of training.

Also just because a crossbow has a draw weight of 600 pounds does not mean it's is stronger than a bow of 150 pounds.

A bow accelerates a heavy arrow over a realtivly long distance leets say a arms length so 90 cm. It has more opportunity to impart energy

A crossbow only has 15 cm to accelerat the bolt. That's alot shorter Les time to transfere energy.

There are also alot of other factors it's very complicated ....

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u/wileyrielly Jun 28 '22

Pretty sure English boys were required to train with long bow from a young age just because of how long it took to learn the skill/grow the strength

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u/Lucaliosse Jun 27 '22

Well crossbows are more powerfull and easier to use but even if it would probably go through the breastplate, underneath it there's an air gap (note the bulge of the armor because you need to breathe), a chainmail then a gambeson (heavily paded clothing to absorb impacts). That's a lot to go through to cause a wound and most times it's not that type of hit that kills a knight, but the ones like the first, hitting the groin, armpits, neck etc...

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u/SchizoidRainbow Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

The full size steel bar Arbelast could do it. If you’re lucky. But you get about one bolt every 30 seconds. So basically you get one chance.

Otherwise, the War Bow and the heavy crossbow are about the same. You’ll see crossbows advertising with “700 lbs of force!!!” But with the shorter moment arm they transfer less energy to the missile.

Neither weapon will pierce steel plates. You hope for a hit to the chain, in the joints. However, taking an arrow to the chest is definitely it going to be enjoyable. Even with that armor it will knock your breath out and likely send you flying ass over teakettle.

EDIT: for those interested. The three main concerns in your missile, be it bolt, arrow, or bullet, are Energy, Momentum, and Hardness. The first two are a function of mass and speed. If you run the numbers on a 160 lb Warbow like this one, and a 700 lb Arbelast, you will find them startlingly similar. About 120 Joules, and around 4 kg m/s momentum at thirty feet. The Warbow falls off more sharply over distance and the Arbelast will shoot further but the bow rate of fire is 10/minute over the Arbelast 2/minute.

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u/Danielq37 Jun 27 '22

Looking at the other comments, I guess those really large crossbows, that were operated by two people and had a pulley system build in were meant to pierce through heavy armour. I mean those things were massive for a mobile crossbow and massively expensive back then.

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u/Manamosy Jun 27 '22

Crossbows use bolts which are heavier and hence fly less further but with more energy

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u/rupat3737 Jun 27 '22

First arrow - Just a flesh wound

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u/Zequax Jun 27 '22

this is from the old one they are in proces of making a new one with lot more indept testing

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u/FrugonkerTronk Jun 27 '22

That first arrow is slow and painful certain death

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u/Aschriel Jun 27 '22

What’s most impressive is the portion of the video that was cut:

The armor has a second component, called a “Jupe” it catches and deflects the arrow after it strikes the armor. Basically it’s a heavy duty cloth supported by a rib like structure that covers the neck and open arm areas.

The French made considerable advancements in their defense against the awesome power of the English long bow. Including deflecting curves at the outermost edges of the armor.

The goal was to deflect the arrow, and prevent its splinters from causing harm.

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u/purpletacosalad Jun 27 '22

Those knights were hard to beat on the field as long as they could stay on their horses.

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u/Lucaliosse Jun 27 '22

Well a fully armored knight is still pretty damn mobile on foot, look at buhurt for exemple, they wear very good reproductions of armors and fight with it, it's impressive how they can move... And in the Middle Ages, a knight had started to train at around 12~14, they really were athletes.

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u/Mvmbleghost Jun 27 '22

Y'see, that's where the gaggle of dispensables with pointy sticks comes in.

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u/Lucaliosse Jun 27 '22

Yup! Because pointy stick longer than sword!

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u/DemonSlayer712 Jun 27 '22

Now try it with kevlar. Atleast if given to school kids they will be safer from being attacked by crossbows.

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u/adjavang Jun 27 '22

Now try it with kevlar.

Should go right through. Kevlar isn't great against cutting forces, which is why it's usually reinforced with ceramics or metal for stab proof vests.

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u/Beowulf33232 Jun 27 '22

Yep, from what I gather, the kevlar just wears out slower than cotton, polyester, or anything else they could make it out of. Just because it resists wear better doesn't make it fantasy magic armor.

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u/VideoRebels Jun 27 '22

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u/-Daetrax- Jun 27 '22

Using what looks like LARP armor.

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u/DrHalibutMD Jun 27 '22

and both the bow and arrows are modern technology and wouldn't have been possible during the medieval period. So yes, if a knight charges you and you have a modern bow you may be able to take him down with it. Of course you could also use a modern handgun, rifle, grenade, tank, Apache helicopter or thermonuclear bomb which were also unavailable in medieval times.

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u/Balrog229 Jun 27 '22

Probably cheap LARPing armor he bought online. I’ve seen other YouTubers like DemolitionRanch make the same mistake. They probably think metal is metal and it’s all basically just as good

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u/Tomteseal Jun 27 '22

Sorry, but he's spreading so much misinformation with his videos according to historians and bow entusiasts.

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u/VideoRebels Jun 27 '22

No problem. I just saw this yesterday and thought it might be of interest to some.

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u/AMarks7 Jun 27 '22

I am fascinated by the loading speed of shooting from the outside of the bow…

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u/Tomteseal Jun 27 '22

Yeah, he shoots quick and it is impressive. However he does it with a very low strength bow and his claim to have rediscovered some lost historical technique is plain bull.

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u/AMarks7 Jun 27 '22

…so…if I use a 20-30lb bow in a speed round I might have a chance…(I’m way out of practice ) lol. I think it’s really impressive the strength of medieval bows/bowmen, I mean…look at the width of their arrow shafts.

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u/chaoslu Jun 27 '22

I don't think you should be down voted for posting the video.

The focus of the video seams much more entertainment than accuracy but it's a fun watch.

I understand why people don't like his videos but I don't get why we can't have people enjoy them.

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u/Aiizimor Jun 27 '22

Silver knights: ha, you call that heavy weight?

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u/EldenGreenGiant Jun 27 '22

This fella needed a cod piece REAL bad.

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u/Coat58 Jun 27 '22

Saw a lot of people mentioning how the V on the armor deflects arrows, and it reminded me of this video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s982-bufjh8&t=1s

Basically exactly what the V is supposed to stop happened to Henry V, though he lived thanks to some skilled healers, which is what the video is really about.

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u/PicklesAreDope Jun 27 '22

It’d still hurt like a bitch and knock the wind out of you, but yeah, there was a reason why heavily armoured knights and cavalry were terrifying, even without all their training

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u/lambofgod0492 Jun 28 '22

Damn insane!

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u/Coyehe Jun 28 '22

Panna cotta Arrows

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u/wjruffing 13d ago

And THAT, Timmy, is why they invented BULLETS (and CANNONBALLS)

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u/wjruffing 13d ago

(… and flamethrowers)

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u/Upper_Entrance5956 7d ago

Tis but a scratch

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u/Danimal347 Jun 27 '22

..... k ...... ?

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u/No_Communication5538 Jun 27 '22

But is this really medieval armour? Shape may be right but is the crystal structure of the steel similar to medieval standards? - I am guessing not, otherwise people would not have used bows against armour (after the first disastrous battle)

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u/wolfo70 Jun 27 '22 edited Jun 27 '22

Bows were used, but not in the way you see in movies and games.

Armies would have very large regiments of bows, they would use these bows to shoot a mass amount of arrows towards infantry or cavalry, the use being killing horses, making the infantry move slower (because getting rained on by arrows is fucking terrifying), sometimes wounding infantry trough weak spots and also hurting the infantry trough blunt force.

Bow man were also cheap to equip and easier to train in large amounts.

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u/j-random Jun 27 '22

And lets not forget that it was only the knights or other high-value targets that wore armor. The common foot soldier wore thick quilted cloth or leather, or possibly chain mail if they had money. They were the real casualties of the arrow volleys.

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u/Maristara Jun 27 '22

They start off this video saying the armor is made by a skilled blacksmith who specialises in making armor exactly like medieval times. So it should be pretty close to the real thing.

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u/chaoslu Jun 27 '22

It's as close to the real thing as we are going to get without destroying historic artefacts.