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u/TruDuddyB 2d ago

Haha! My wife's phone thinks our cat is a raccoon.

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u/Taxero79 1d ago

Day 23: They still think I'm a cat.

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u/OGsugar_bear 1d ago

It puts one of my home boys in the pets category and that shit makes me laugh

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u/AccurateFault8677 1d ago

How sure are you it's not a racoon that learned how to meow?

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u/MrBrett131060 1d ago

My thoughts exactly lol

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u/jMs4469 1d ago

Damn it! I should not have laughed. Take this gold.

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u/discerningpervert 1d ago

Plot twist: cat is actually a raccoon, just a really good liar

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u/Duffamongus 1d ago

It's been 6 years and they still don't suspect a thing

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u/SvenyBoy_YT 1d ago

What did they say? They deleted the comment

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u/somekidwithinternet 1d ago

What did they say?

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u/gabrielmaster123 1d ago

What the hell happened here

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u/486921 1d ago

FUTTBUCKR

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u/Cassew 1d ago

I mean humans are animals, so In a way you're not wrong

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u/dyingsong 1d ago edited 1d ago

I don't get it.

Edit: oh, lowest-tier racist joke. You kids are comedy geniuses ._.

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u/IsThisMeta 1d ago

I guess the joke is that he’s referring to the cat as well as the black dude in the post as animals

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u/Poet_Silly 1d ago

Jesus. Have my upvote.

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u/moberg89 1d ago

My phone thinks my black & tan dachshund is a rottweiler.

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u/MamaDaddy 1d ago

My daughter thought our rottweiler was a horse (when she was little and learning to talk).

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u/Bean1233 1d ago

Cat tax please

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u/larppaxyz 1d ago

Our dog is indentified as a panda.

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u/Bolddon 1d ago edited 1d ago

Google listed a pic of me as "Yacht" once.

I guess I am a dream boat tho...

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u/smokingonyourtop5 1d ago Silver

Would you let me ride you 🥺🍆

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u/Acrro 1d ago

bro?

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u/BigPackHater 1d ago

Bro 😏

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u/NullTrekSucksPP 1d ago

Broouuuhh

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u/LaikasDad 1d ago

That sounded relieving, I bet you have clarity now

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u/Slazman999 1d ago

No homo... Or homo. I don't judge.

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u/anto_pty 1d ago

Bromance

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u/Pitiful-Youth-1066 1d ago

Litigate them and become a millionaire.

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u/pornisqueen 1d ago

then buy a boat

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u/shams_ 1d ago

Bro take my nuts

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u/interrogatorChapman 1d ago

Oh captain, my captain~

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u/Miticor 1d ago

Jetski?

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u/the_ThreeEyedRaven 1d ago

Now hold on Mobius

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u/TheCookieButter 1d ago

I'll call you an Uber Eats, because you a snack 😘

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u/ratione_materiae 1d ago

Calvin "Marty" Klein, nice to see you on reddit

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u/Chavo_of_the_8th 1d ago

Probably meant lil yachting

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u/JustHereForURCookies 1d ago

Wait until you try Microsoft OneDrives tagging.

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u/nn-DMT 1d ago

Boaty McBoatface returns.

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u/Feras47 2d ago

you mean the twin towers

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u/Wonderful-Cry-6193 1d ago

Historically, putting airplanes by the twin towers doesn't end very well.

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u/CrumpledForeskin 1d ago edited 1d ago

FYI that’s the Deutsche Bank Center formerly* the Time Warner center.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank_Center

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u/sapphiron7 2d ago

Also, Google could fix this by training it with human Capcha's. But we all know why that won't work.

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u/BigOlBlimp 1d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Brighten My Day

Google DID fix this. This is an issue from like 7 years ago. The engineer responsible for this functionality freaked out on Twitter, immediately went to work to disable the gorilla tag, and then fixed the AI so it doesn’t classify that way anymore.

It’s actually kind of fucked up someone would post this without acknowledging that this was a story from 2015 and the issue was fixed immediately.

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u/Comfortable_Touch585 1d ago

But then what would people have phony outrage about?

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u/ToothlessGrandma 1d ago

That's why it's still brought up almost a decade later, every couple of months with no context. To keep the hate train well stocked and supplied for more go arounds.

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u/poopellar 1d ago

Internet runs on spite.

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u/bidet_enthusiast 1d ago edited 1d ago

Meh, it’s a precautionary tale.

The minds we are creating will mimic our prejudices, fears, biases, and flaws if we don’t make an effort to imbue them with our best traits and leave out the garbage.

AI is no longer an if. Despite the naysayers, AGI is not a far off goal -even insects display basic generalized intelligence- , and human level AGI is only a matter of time.

Recursive improvements are already accelerating the process, and although we are still on the gentle inclines, we all know how that exponential curve works out in the end.

We are in the process of creating the brainchildren of humankind, knowingly or not. A gentle reminder now and then of what not to do is probably a good thing.

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u/Shmagooger 1d ago

The minds we are creating will mimic our prejudices, fears, biases, and flaws if we don’t make an effort to imbue them with our best traits and leave out the garbage.

That is not at all how training image classifiers works

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u/jacobcookmakesart 1d ago

I'm pretty sure that was a philosophical point, not a technical comment about image classifiers in particular.

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u/bidet_enthusiast 1d ago edited 1d ago

Actually, it kinda is.

Garbage in, garbage out.

Although in this case it probably was not actually garbage data, but rather the lack of nuance applied to the training set by way of an intent to supervise the process. Thus my point that a precautionary tale is probably not a bad thing.

If we don’t curate our training data to emphasize the traits we want, we will get shovelware AI, as subject to errors of prejudice as we are or worse. There is a reason that racism exists, and it has to do with a combination of cognitive biases that were created from the random “training data” of nature. We will have to make an actual effort to prevent this from being duplicated in neural networks.

Im acutely aware of the issues facing AI. I’ve been involved in AI research and product development since 1998, using genetic algorithms to develop neural network weights.

The problem with training data is that it always includes built in bias, and sometimes the bias is structured into the data elements themselves due to simple coincidences of physics or nature. Crystals sometimes look like flowers.

Right now I’m using classifiers trained in house to curate training data for future generations of bias generators to curate training data. Eventually we will use that data to train classifiers that interpret the world in a way that does not introduce or reinforce problematic bias.

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u/Schnickatavick 1d ago

I'll never understand Reddit, the snarky comment with no explanation gets up voted, but the thorough explanation from someone who knows what they're talking about gets shot down.

This is a real problem in AI, it's one of the first things you get warned about in AI courses, and basically every modern AI tool has a disclaimer about possible inherited bias.

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u/sneakyveriniki 1d ago

What would this cesspool of 14 year old incels have to make jokes about?

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u/RichardofLionheart 1d ago

I should hope every 14 year old is celibate.

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u/finlandery 1d ago

Only in reddit do you hav people accusing 14y olds being incells, while other redditors say 14y are not old enought to hav sex....

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u/best_of_badgers 1d ago

That’s because the first guy is an edgy 14 year old and the second guy is an adult who remembers being 14 with horror

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u/ImSometimesSmart 1d ago

Nobody is outraged

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u/SamenVerkoster69 1d ago

No they didn’t fix it, they just disabled all tags related to “monkey” or “ape” in Google Photos. You can try it yourself, search for “monkey” in Google Photos, there won’t be any results even if you have monkey photos in your gallery.

It’s just very hard to 100% reliably distinguish between monkeys and humans, and a single fuckup cam cause a huge shitstorm. So better to disable it entirely.

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u/g-e-o-f-f 1d ago

Holy cow. You're right. If I search zoo I can see my pictures that include gorillas, chimps, monkeys. But if I search on any of those terms I got nothing. zebra works, giraffe works

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u/andnobodyknowsitsme 1d ago

Thank you for typing this.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

That's annoying though. Instead of training the AI to understand the difference, they completely removed the feature to search for gorillas and monkeys. I realised that when I was looking for a photo of monkey. We literally can't search monkeys or gorillas.

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u/Disastrous-Waltz-930 1d ago

They could've tried to improve it but there's no way to guarantee that it would never classify a human as a gorilla and they don't want to take any risks.

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u/ReKaYaKeR 1d ago

It’s really hard.

If they don’t have it down they are actively working on it. They are not going to release anything until they are beyond 100% sure it won’t misclassify which is incredibly difficult. No company wants to be branded racist unless it’s a GOP talk show.

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u/Too-Much-Tv 1d ago

Google DID fix this.

Google didn’t fix it. They just removed the gorilla tag.

It was next to impossible to fix and is a good example of how all the big models have the same problem. DallE2 for example they just prevent you using certain words on the model.

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u/BigOlBlimp 1d ago

I was under the impression that they fixed this and I’ve downloaded some monkey pics to my phone. When they get indexed by the ai I’ll return and confirm or deny if it works.

In any case, I think there are multiple levels of “fix” here and simply removing the tags fits one of them.

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u/__crackers__ 1d ago

I think there are multiple levels of “fix” here and simply removing the tags fits one of them

"We don't talk about that" is an evergreen.

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u/jejcicodjntbyifid3 1d ago

Yup, because what we have isn't artificial intelligence. It isn't intelligent

What we are facing right now is basically what we faced when phone systems first became automated "I'M SORRY I COULDN'T... I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH THAT PLEASE REPEAT"

but companies just see it as good enough so they are using"AI" for everything now and often with no backup. So it's just a worse experience overall

Like how Amazon is using them for their employee data, and that accept the fact that it will get it wrong and fire people incorrectly, but they're totally fine with that

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u/BigOlBlimp 1d ago

What do you get out of nitpicking the usage of the term “artificial intelligence” against the the millions of folks who use the term synonymously with machine learning?

Doesn’t seem like a reasonable endeavor to me.

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u/ZeeBeeblebrox 1d ago

Most people working on ML models will tell you AI is a stupid term.

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u/ZedSwift 1d ago

Calling that nitpicking is like saying it’s nitpicking to point out that the statues in a wax museum aren’t actually alive. There’s a gigantic gulf between ML and AI and marketing people have now ruined the term AI.

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u/ohpeekaboob 1d ago

Don't know if I agree with all your points, but I was out of Big Tech for a few years doing non-tech work then went back in. It's completely confused me how everyone is now using AI and barely anyone except the engineering teams use ML anymore.

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u/jejcicodjntbyifid3 1d ago

Lol yeah now it's become "it's AI". Oh so you mean you use if statements? You know like has existed since programming has

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u/Murkus 1d ago

Marketing people have been spending the last 40 years ruining most words in the English language.

Remember when we used to have the internet... And we used to have clouds. Almost nothing has changed practically. But the word has been abused.

Do you work in ai or something that this particular word matters more to you?

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u/ZedSwift 1d ago

No, I just love sci-if, tech and all that jazz.

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u/Murkus 1d ago

Fair enough. And I ultimately agree with you. But marketing people are fundamentally damaging the ability for the human race to converse over these issues and it does suck. But unfortunately there's nothing we can do about it.

They don't understand that language is the basis of how we build our brain connections. Or they do... but they are abusing it.

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u/randomdrifter54 1d ago

People have been using artificial intelligence for different things for years. Machine learning is just the newest and shiniest facet.

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u/begon11 1d ago

I feel like that is such a big part of business right now. I have to make reports with a ton pf caveats because the data I have to work with is fucking unreliable but have to present clear and impactful learnings from it so a manager can take some decisions on future actions. Then my original info goes through so many channels that all my warnings get ignored and in the end everyone wonders why the taken actions don’t have the desired results.

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u/Jussari 1d ago

I mean we do have (narrow) artificial intelligence. They aren't defined to be intelligent in the same way as humans are, but just good (enough) at solving the specific task they're designed to solve.

The real intelligent ones would be general artificial intelligences.

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u/b_fnk 1d ago

Yeah, what u/jejcicodjntbyifid3 has isn't accurate information about AI and types of AI.

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u/voltran1987 1d ago

It’s google, there’s nothing fucked in about calling them out on anything. They’re gigantic, and are pretty shitty most of the time.

This meme is nothing bad about black people, and only bad about one of the largest companies in the world who could, and still can afford to test this, but chose not to. Fuck google for this, please don’t shill for them, especially not for free.

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u/Killitar_SMILE 1d ago

Google can fix this. But we all know why it won't.

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u/not_Dejirum 1d ago

Google can. But we all know why.

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u/486921 1d ago

Google. Why.

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u/BulbusDumbledork 1d ago

google sent a patch to fix this particular issue the same night it discovered it. it did it by removing references of gorillas and similar primates from it's dictionary. I'm not sure if you're accusing google of racism, but it's not as malicious as that. cameras are designed to expose for white skin, photography software is designed around white skin, and machine learning training data is modelled around the "default human", aka the Caucasian male. fixing this issue is extremely difficult as it requires undoing decades of data that has largely excluded people of colour. also, image recognition has far surpassed the regular captcha you'd get

tl;dr: google didn't maliciously train it's algorithm to be racist, they just negligently didn't train it to not be. in an unrelated note, the google photos ai has gone from great to really bad over the past eight years

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u/dyingsong 1d ago

Isn't it mostly just the case that it is easier to see contrast on white skin anyway, by virtue of how light works? It's not all some grand camera conspiracy.

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u/BigOlBlimp 1d ago

It’s not a conspiracy, no. The people interpreting this one image (instead of the whole story) are more biased and dumb than google’s engineers, that’s for sure.

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u/SmallpoxTurtleFred 1d ago

Photons are racist and preferentially hit white skin.

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u/RS_0x539 1d ago

We must ban light!

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u/Blahblahblacksheep9 1d ago

Well yes... But actually no. I know you kid, but really, lighter tones closer to pure white will reflect more light, making more light available for the camera sensor. Darker colors absorb more light, making less light available for the sensor. Ultimately this affects how much detail and contract you get in an image. Most modern cameras will still have plenty of data for a good image tho and this has little to do with the AI training model, which is inherently biased because it is built on a biased data set (remember kids, biased, not racist or malicious)

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u/manofpill 1d ago

Yeah, and many current models aren’t trained very well for the lower contrast of darker skin, so that’s a change that needs to be made.

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u/crowntheking 1d ago

And Google has been doing that it’s been one of their main advertising focuses the last copy generations of pixel phones. That they accurately represent the subjects skin color on photos and so processing based of updated algorithms.

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u/Tywappity 1d ago

Cameras dont "expose for light skin". They objectively capture light. Has nothing to do with skin at all.

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u/SendMegBilderAvBacon 1d ago

I think what is meant is that the measurement for exposures are 18 percent gray. All the camera sees is 18 percent gray, and will correct exposure up or down. Darker skin is darker than 18 percent gray, while paler skin is pretty close.

When I'm lazy, I measure the inside of my hand and shoot for hours. The skin on the inside of my hand gives me a decent exposure

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u/Econolife_350 1d ago

There's this, or there's the Occam's razor version that isn't nearly so complicated.

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u/MCRemix 1d ago

This is actually really simple...7 years ago AI had trouble identifying the subjects of photos with low contrast.

So occams razor isn't a good argument here.

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u/igetwhatiwantboo 2d ago

Click all the boxes that contain traffic lights

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u/FrightfullyRespect 1d ago

I thought it was a recaptcha in my first seen.

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u/gamblor2021 1d ago

DAS RAY SIS

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u/DeplorableCaterpill 1d ago

The resemblance is uncanny.

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u/OrakirBot 1d ago

I first thought this was a 9/11 joke. Then I looked further.

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u/Poet_Silly 1d ago

I thought it was a joke about a gorilla graduating /s

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u/sapphiron7 2d ago

Until cameras do a better job of tone mapping and exposure, this is bound to happen, often.

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u/Knopfi_ 1d ago

And until the ai gets trained enough

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u/demonryder 1d ago

"Yes, let's have a capcha where you have to identify gorillas and we throw in some black people in the mix, surely there will be no outrage"

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u/w84u2cy 1d ago

It's not a captcha though... It's Google Photos.

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u/DiogoMJPereira 1d ago

I think the images for training the AI that labels the pictures get labeled through captchas. Not sure about that, though.

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u/Casiofx-83ES 1d ago

Some models are trained through captchas (specifically self driving), but Google photos is trained through user labelling. Every time you tag someone in a photo, or upload a picture called "wedding photo 304.png" or organise your images into folders, or describe a picture in any way that touches the cloud, that information is being stored and used to categorise images.

If you have a single picture called "cat.jpg", it's impossible for an algorithm to figure out what is a cat and what is background. A million people uploading a million different cat.jpgs, though, makes it pretty easy to figure out what's a cat and what's not.

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u/w84u2cy 1d ago

Oh yeah you might be right, that does ring a bell.

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u/zaphodsheads 1d ago

I think he's saying the AI that Google photos uses is based off of human captcha data.

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u/JarkoStudios 1d ago edited 1d ago

Why would there be outrage? Isn't that how you train AI to distinguish?

It looks like right now folks are upset/outraged cause the AI can't distinguish perfectly, don't you relieve that anguish by making the AI better?

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u/Urban_Savage 1d ago

Why would there be outrage? Isn't that how you train AI to distinguish?

I refuse to believe you don't know why.

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u/Whind_Soull 1d ago

You could make it less likely to offend humans or gorillas by mixing various races of humans and species of primates. Eventually you'll get the AI training that you're looking for.

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u/JarkoStudios 1d ago

I mean not all AI training is performed through outsourcing through things like captcha, tons is done by engineers/employees themselves.

Why couldn't they truthfully train the AI? I mean considering how old this is now and how much it has improved since, it probably did happen and there was no outrage because people just want things to run more effectively. You're projecting your own reactions to something that is only complicated and hurtful if you want it to be and think it is.

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u/Cykablast3r 1d ago

Because people will click photos of black people to make the AI think of them as gorillas.

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u/Casiofx-83ES 1d ago

It's hard to believe that the majority of people would do that on a widespread captcha. A straightforward consensus algorithm would remove that effect. The outrage would be that "black person or gorilla?" is a very tricky question to ask without coming across as racist.

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u/HotTakeHaroldinho 1d ago

Bc people will star getting capchas that ask them to click on the gorillas and the options are black people and gorillas and there's no way that doesn't generate a dozen articles

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u/Tywappity 1d ago

Hahaha seriously?

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u/TheLoli-Queen- 1d ago

Or this has already been fixed (almost immediately) and the issue arose years ago.

But OP gotta farm that karma!

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u/w84u2cy 1d ago

If we can quickly tell that they're humans, an AI should easily be able to do the same with adequate training.

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u/Georgia_Ginny 1d ago

Yeah object classification with pixel images is one of the best performing AI problems

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u/TunnelToTheMoon 1d ago

This is a screenie from years ago, and it was promptly fixed.

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u/xdeft 1d ago

the fix was to remove gorillas and some monkeys from the screening

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u/TxM_2404 1d ago

Least racist 4chan user.

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u/orcasaremuslims 1d ago

Am I racist to think she looks like gorilla? Not because of skin rather because of her face expression.

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u/AxeCow 1d ago

It shouldn’t be classified as racist to make such observations, like there definitely are people who have similar facial structures and expressions to gorillas/apes, and it’s perfectly normal because we are closely related as species. It’s just a plain observation that even innocent children often make, but it’s a very sensitive subject because calling people monkeys also happens to be a common racial slur and sharing traits with gorillas/apes has lots of other demeaning connotations such as lack of intelligence.

It’s not inherently bad to make an observation and think someone looks like a gorilla but it’s not something you can really say to anyone in any context without appearing like a really awful person and a racist (which often correlate with each other).

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u/T3MP3ST_ 1d ago

And is there a reason 2 towers are right next to airplanes?

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u/fa5c15t0perat0r7_7 1d ago

That's fucked up.

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u/notluciferforreal 1d ago

Also, they could make these folders and/or move photos from one to the other.

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u/gtisdale420 1d ago

Google needs a ten minute time out. Go stand in the corner

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u/EwwThatsHot 1d ago

As a black person, this is funny.

Okay I'm not actually black, but it would be funny if someone were and said that.

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u/Fragrant-Star-88 1d ago

Why are you booing me, im right

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u/Fit-Interaction-8233 1d ago

How high can a gorilla jump?

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u/Spiritual-Banana4080 2d ago

Maybe Google traced the evolutionary path. Google thinking beyond our capabilities.

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u/LtLabcoat 1d ago

Dumb take: Google's algorithm think some black people look more like gorillas than humans.

Smart take: Google knows.

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u/QualityVote 2d ago

If this submission makes you go "Hol'Up", UPVOTE this comment!

If this submission does not make you go "Hol'Up", DOWNVOTE this comment!


Whilst you're here, /u/DarkLegacy09, why not join our public discord server or play on our public Minecraft server?

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u/GoingFullRetarded 1d ago

Return to… ah fuggetaboudit

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u/Lucky_Web3549 1d ago

Maybe he's a silverback? Does he own AMC?

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u/Individual-Summer342 1d ago

Hahaha this shitz funny.lol

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u/adgfbgc 1d ago

I mean I’m still low key mad as a black girl but I definitely big laughed

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u/CraigTheLejYT 1d ago

I remember this. I had a old photo of baby me and Google photos labelled it under “BBQ”

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u/optunny 1d ago

Baby back ribs alright.

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u/Shazam_BillyBatson 1d ago

"Get in my belly" - FB

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u/Dikheed 1d ago

I typed "man" into Google photos and I wasn't in any of them. My dad was right.

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u/Gamelove0I5 1d ago

Something something society

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u/Awellknownstick 2d ago

Oh dear sorry to.... ROFL. They dun did fuck up.

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u/Omgbrainerror 1d ago

At least i know i have a place kept warm for me in the hell.

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u/chitown-DM-me 1d ago

Your friend also did not graduate, call it even

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u/de_jim 1d ago

Their was a bunch of stuff about this awhile back, that pretty much came down to photo algorithms have a really hard time with darker colors and it's been something everyone's been working on fixing for a long time now.

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u/flojitsu 1d ago

Ooof..

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u/Intergalactic_chikin 1d ago

On my phone, and I kid you not, Dababy is in the auto made cars album

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u/TheSpoobs 1d ago

I guess the AI is racist now? Or is it the developers fault? Who are they gonna blame for this one?

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u/GalaxyWolf1711 1d ago

Are we not gonna talk about how skyscrapers and airplanes are right next to each other..?

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u/Ultimate_Fury 1d ago

Yes ignore how skyscrapers is right next to airplane

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u/Space_JellyF 1d ago

I searched my phone for food and a spider came up

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u/BigOlBlimp 1d ago edited 1d ago Faith In Humanity Restored

This is a resolved issue from like 7 years ago. The engineer responsible for this functionality freaked out on Twitter, immediately went to work to disable the gorilla tag, and then fixed the AI so it doesn’t classify that way anymore.

It’s actually kind of fucked up someone would post this without acknowledging that this was a story from 2015 and the issue was fixed immediately upon discovery.

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u/TidyBastard 1d ago

Yeah it’s casual reddit racism. They post this shit late at night to make all of their racist friends giggle. Then they get off on gas lighting everyone who calls them on it. “It’s just a joke bro”.

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u/gyaradoslover456 1d ago

Or maybe just maybe, it's a joke and op just posted cause he thought it was funny, it's not that deep

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u/snailscale77 1d ago

But how else do I get my karma without manufactured outrage?

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u/lyuciele 1d ago

Back when I was a k-pop fan and had pictures of BTS on my phone, google photos would group all the members of the band as just one member. Really the Asian stereotype.

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u/shams_ 1d ago

I don’t blame google actually 😒

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u/SmallpoxTurtleFred 1d ago

This is true of every AI classification system. If I don’t train my hotdog recognized with enough examples of Chicago style hot dogs it will likely not recognize them.

I hate the term “Racism in Technology”. Most technology is neutral and racist is a human characteristic. It implies intent or willful ignorance.

All AI classification systems have biases, but that’s not the same as racism. The gorilla thing was not even remotely racist, but because of this controversy the mainstream classifiers wouldn’t recognize gorillas because it was too risky if they made a mistake.

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u/few_word_man 1d ago

It’s all about the data.

Garbage in. Garbage out.

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u/_MurphysLawyer_ 1d ago

I mean if you kinda squint, pull the phone back to arms length, and grow up in the deep south, you can kinda see where the algorithm would get it mistaken

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u/VARTH_-DADER 1d ago

Skyscrapers and airplanes aren't the words that you should put together in the same line ever since that one particular incident occurred

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u/EnzoLoool 1d ago

This is very off topic but is that the World Trade Center?

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u/SensitiveThugHugger 1d ago

No. The towers were not modern looking. What stands now is one singular "freedom tower."

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u/1234hiitsme 1d ago

I thought the hol up was the skyscrapers and airplanes for a second