r/IdiotsInCars 13d ago Take My Energy 2 Facepalm 1

Driver narrowly misses child on scooter

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u/jdelshad 13d ago Silver

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u/Yelmak 13d ago Wholesome

What baffles me is that their response is to put more traffic officers on patrol, rather than reconsider the design of an intersection that favours driver convenience over pedestrian safety.

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u/Sososoftmeows 13d ago

I was born and raised in that exact neighborhood where this occurred and this intersection and area has only been built within the last few years and only really completed within the last 2.5 years. It’s fairly new so I’m guessing they don’t want to second guess their newly built (and stupid) design and rather take a preventative measure instead of one that can change it for the better permanently. Hopefully they’ll do something if “police presence” doesn’t help..

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u/Mxdanger 13d ago

The fact that even a new intersection fails at having any real pedestrian safety is crazy.

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u/gone_internal 13d ago

The flashing pedestrian lights were activated. That driver was going crazy fast for the area. I wouldn't be surprised if they run stop signs and red lights.

I'm not from any big or well planned cities. What kind of things would improve pedestrian safety here? Having a bigger standoff from parked cars and the crosswalk to improve visibility? Illuminating the crosswalk? Speed tables / bumps?

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u/Warmbly85 13d ago

Essentially make it scary for drivers to go fast by making small lanes and things close to the road surface like trees and pylons. Drivers tend to drive slower and with more caution if they are afraid for their safety making it safer for everyone at the same time. I don’t see how it works once people get use to driving on it but that seems to be the consensus.

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u/lilpumpgroupie 13d ago

That's the thing that infuriates me about people getting mad about bike lanes, because if you look at city infrastructure where bike lanes are, it's almost always also a traffic calming measure. People just want the right to drive recklessly, that's what it really comes down to.

If you put up barriers to them doing that, even if they are not smart enough to understand what's happening, they're going to get angry about it.

On top of that, specifically with bikes, would you rather have the bike in front of you in gridlock, and have one extra space in gridlock/at a light that you're waiting behind? Which one do you want?

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u/Random_Reflections 13d ago edited 13d ago

In my country, India, we have speed breakers (speed bumps) at accident prone intersections and zones. But even those won't stop drunken drivers.

But this will certainly help...

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u/tiedyepieguy 13d ago

Roundabouts are immensely helpful; increasing both pedestrian and driver safety at intersections.

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u/mttp1990 13d ago

Roundabouts would be good. That force you to slow down unless you want to be launched up and into a building

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u/Beneficial-Car-3959 13d ago

Watch this video

Not just bikes

https://youtu.be/_ByEBjf9ktY

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u/Weebus 13d ago

This video is spot on in a lot of ways, but ignores one of the most important factors holding things back, instead blaming it on incompetent Traffic Engineers. Hang around traffic engineering circles and you'll probably find a disproportionately large amount of pedestrian and cycling advocates (and Stop Sign haters), but unfortunately we're handcuffed.

Issue is that the final say in traffic safety decisions are rarely left up to Traffic Engineers. Americans still like driving too much, and the best pedestrian solutions inconvenience drivers. Politicians control the money and need votes, so they're more interested in finding the cheapest half-measure to say they did something while not pissing off a large chunk of their constituents. It's easy to get support for flashing or HAWK crossings, radar speed or other signs, "shared" bike lanes, "zebra" crossings, etc. Paint, flashing lights, and signs are cheap and don't inconvenience drivers, while still having some effect on pedestrian safety. I could go on the same rant for public transportation, but I'll refrain... same issues exist there, and we're left with a very lacking system because of it.

There's also a lack of education on the topic which leads to people asking for and/or supporting the wrong solutions over proper ones. If a kid gets struck in a crosswalk or people are speeding, the public outcry is generally for adding Stop Signs (which is actually against the use specified by the MUTCD), and politicians are very eager to oblige, even if it may have a negative effect on both drivers and pedestrians... and it's absurdly difficult to remove a Stop Sign once it's in place and in an ordinance.

Things seem to be rather quickly though, as people in general are becoming more and more interested in moving away from cars and are getting educated on traffic safety. Silver lining from people being home during COVID is a shift in a lot of peoples' priorities on driving vs pedestrian access. In the last 2 years, we finally got support and funding for two lane reductions on major collectors as well as several other pedestrian-centered infrastructure projects we had previously designed, but lacked support for.

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u/juckele 13d ago

The big thing is instead of using a yellow light to remind drivers of their duty to yield right of way for a pedestrian they can't see, you need a full on traffic light for these multi-lane crossings.

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u/Ana169 13d ago Silver

You can never fully engineer out human stupidity. If you could, we wouldn't have certain warning labels on products like, "Do not fold stroller with child inside" or "Do not iron clothes while on the body".

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u/Few_Ad1395 13d ago

Yup. Just ask park rangers about smart bears and dumb humans…

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u/original_username_79 13d ago

To be fair some of those parks have bears that are smarter than the average bear.

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u/sh4d0wm4n2018 13d ago

Or my personal favorite

✨sidewalk bridges✨

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u/SignificantTwister 13d ago

What baffles me is how people can be so passionate about something if they don't even take the time to read the article, then get hundreds of upvotes from so many other passionate people who also didn't read the article.

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u/FoolishChemist 13d ago

I think you just defined Reddit.

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u/100catactivs 13d ago

Our Council prioritizes neighborhood traffic safety and in response to this incident we're increasing pedestrian visibility and reducing speeds in this area while we continue to look at longer term options that legally require more analysis,"

More patrol is just literally their first step they can do right now. Can’t change road overnight.

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u/elPiff 13d ago edited 13d ago

It clearly says in the article

In terms of immediate improvements made by the city, Corbett explained: The City reduced speeds in the area by temporarily removing a lane in a section of Franklin Parkway

And then it says longer term that they will redesign the road and intersection? Did u miss that?

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u/ImOnTheInstanet 13d ago

No they were expecting the local police force to jackhammer the intersection the following day

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u/snotfart 13d ago

Or even have some consequences for driving dangerously?

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u/t3hnhoj 13d ago

I wish we had an agency or something that would actually police the wrong actions of the civilians living in a given area and be capable of corrective action.

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u/BurningPenguin 13d ago

Hm, yeah that sounds like a good idea. But what should we call them?

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u/Schmich 13d ago

Unfortunately that's punishment when you mainly want preventive measures. Your child isn't going out of the grave due to someone getting punishment. That the guy didn't get anything here is insane. At least needs to do a course or community service.

In general, laws are already in place. Increasing punishment sentences from something average to draconian usually doesn't have any effect iirc a study right.

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u/FraseraSpeciosa 13d ago

If you injure a kid due to car negligence you really have no place on the road. You should have to pay out the ass to the family affected as well. You should also never drive again

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u/frontendben 13d ago

The solution is to reduce the number of two lane roads approaching junctions. It leads to a situation where you have to use traffic lights, and even then, it doesn't help if you have a driver who doesn't stop. Reducing it to a single lane, with a refuge between the opposite direction makes it significantly safer to cross.

However, achieving that will take decades in the US. The easiest solution for now is to simply make it a criminal offence with a loss of licence and income-based fine for failing to yield to pedestrians (or passing a car stopped in the near side lane) at a crossing like this.

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u/Psychological-Pick92 13d ago

This. Streets designed to choke traffic in residential neighborhoods. If you've got pedestrian traffic in the area, then design not just with them "in mind" but with them as a priority. Narrow and un-straight. Though I loathe most pedestrian interactions at roundabouts in neighborhoods, the roundabout does slow traffic. You can't out-design the most moronic driver, but good design can help.

All that aside, if you stop to allow pedestrians to cross, consider owning it and block that fucking path around you with your vehicle. I'm not necessarily saying pull into the other vehicles path and cause an accident on purpose, but maybe don't move all the way over to one side to start. Defensive driving - 3rd party style.

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u/lobax 13d ago

Pedestrian instersections at roundabouts can work great, if you just build for pedestrians. A Dutch style one would fit perfectly with all that space.

But that’s only if there is the traffic to justify one. A speed bump before the intersection would go a long way.

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u/Lemak0 13d ago

A fellow "not just bikes" enjoyer?

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u/Tvisted 13d ago edited 13d ago

I like his videos a lot, I'm Canadian and he's done a lot of places I know.

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u/JonDoeJoe 13d ago

Traffic officers rarely go after and catch the dangerous drivers.

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u/BecGeoMom 13d ago

So, after residents have complained, reported the issue, and attended city council meetings in reference to the intersection, a child almost getting run over by a car has prompted more police presence there because that ought to save lives. Apparently, the next step is for someone to actually get killed there, then maybe the city will do something about the problem.

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u/Rocky_Mountain_Way 13d ago

Apparently, the next step is for someone to actually get killed there, then maybe the city will do something about the problem.

That's how it works in our city. intersections are given a score based on accidents which include a higher score when there's someone killed. during budget season, the traffic department brings out their big spreadsheet and does a "sort by score" and then allocates funds according to that.

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u/Warg247 13d ago

Some laws only exist because they were built atop small coffins.

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u/djdeforte 13d ago

I live on a street with THREE schools. The speed limit is 20mph. There are crosswalks like this all up and down the street. With lights, the cross section is also raised like a giant speed bump. It is STATE LAW TO STOP, when a pedestrian has their foot into the crosswalk. People still almost kill me at least once a day while I walk my children to school. They even go into apposing traffic to just go around.

It’s not the city planners fault, it’s not the towns fault it’s the mother fucking drivers who had no regard for human life. Their disgusting and despicable and need to have their license revoked for attempted murder.

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u/chupamichalupa 13d ago

Neighborhoods need better traffic calming measures.

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u/Yelmak 13d ago

The entire US needs better road design. Almost every single road is designed for maximum driver convenience at the expense of everything else.

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u/Ordinary_Rabbit 13d ago

Also, the attitude towards speed "limits" need to change.

I honestly think the first step is to remove the term 'limit' from the vernacular.

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u/ComicNeueIsReal 13d ago

yeaa i live in california. if the speed limit is 30 everyone will be doing 40. if its a 60 mph everyone will be going 70-80. and if you arent going 10 above the speed limit you get people swerving around you, honking at you, and all sorts of mean things being said. this really needs to be fixed. The limit is there for a reason, but when you are supposed to be following the speed of traffic and everyone is driving really fast that makes this really hard.

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u/rh71el2 13d ago edited 13d ago

People generally aren't looking at their speedometers. If they're not worried about tickets, they're just going as fast as they feel is comfortable for them on a particular road which is why you'll have cars with varying speeds and very few actually under any stated limit. Even if you lower the limit, these types of people will still go their normal speed (resulting in speed of traffic).

Even with newly installed digitally flashing Your Speed Is -- signs in this area, people will only realize & slow for that small stretch of road and resume what they were doing before. Road design, stop signs, speed bumps, etc. are the only way to keep them slow if necessary.

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u/Yelmak 13d ago

Yeah absolutely. When you design a straight, 20ft wide road, you're inviting drivers to drive fast. Places like the Netherlands have so few pedestrian deaths because built up areas have narrower roads, more space for pedestrians, raised crossings, and an entire design philosophy around encouraging slower driving. American road design is just throw up few stop and speed limit signs and leave it at that.

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u/IamSpiders 13d ago

Are you sure a stop sign won't fix it? - US Traffic engineers

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u/dev-sda 13d ago

"The stop sign wasn't enough? Clearly we need a HAWK signal and some pedestrian flags!". Anything short of the only thing that actually works: slowing down cars.

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u/karalmiddleton 13d ago

"Even though the flashing pedestrian beacons worked as designed, this inexperienced driver clearly failed to stop for the young child in the crosswalk."

Inexperienced driver??? Where's the proof of that?

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u/958Silver 13d ago

Proof they they are an inexperienced driver? Someone who had just got their driver's license -- only had it for a short time. It said in the news article that the driver returned to the scene a short time later.

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u/iskin 13d ago

I hate that they blue the license plate.

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u/tygghb 13d ago Wholesome

The license plate was from someone who wanted a "new start" on life; ANUSTART.

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u/LollipopThrowAway- 13d ago

Anus tart

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u/made_4_this_comment 13d ago

Sometimes they just are

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u/tallman1979 13d ago

Do those fit a standard toaster?

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u/Powerbybeans 13d ago

What an idiot of a driver, been an area of people walking around that moron should of been driving a lot slower. I keep my music low, window down a little to hear if a ambulance has it’s sirens on near me. I drive slower than many people around me in areas that have a lot of buildings and specially knowing there’s people walking around. I’m a father of two little ones, I know and seen kids just take off. I always make sure my kids stay close to me at all times when we’re walking around. I don’t trust other drivers even in a one way road. So glad she didn’t get hit.

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u/Nammi-namm 13d ago

They mention installing a 4 way stop as a solution, that is not a solution!

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u/I_love_avocados1 13d ago

If only there was some sort of bump you could put in the road that would make drivers slow down.

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u/Nammi-namm 13d ago

Speedbump, a raised intersection, a roundabout, all of the above.

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u/Short-Belt-1477 13d ago

A raised round speedbump?

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u/pomo2 13d ago

They have them in the Netherlands, basically the whole intersection is a speed bump. Key cucumber's link is another idea, but there may not be enough space.

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u/Theorandjguy 13d ago

A poorly fitting manhole cover?

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u/Cheesius 13d ago

They did that on a road near where I lived, but they had to put gaps in the speed bump to allow emergency vehicles like fire trucks to go down and not be impeded by them.. which means anything wider than a standard car can just ignore the speed bumps entirely.

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u/vidoeiro 13d ago edited 13d ago

Why those vehicles pass speedbumps fine in Europe

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u/OverLord000 13d ago

I drive down this road and its actually a block away from the police station. They have installed a sign that tells you how fast you are going. Obviously doesnt do much.

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u/sh4d0wm4n2018 13d ago

Fuck the city officials using canned media responses.

"We have to ask ourselves "why?" "

"Even though the flashing signs worked as designed, this inexperienced driver failed to yield.."

Your sign failed to work as intended that's what you should be concerned about.

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u/Necessary_Tie_1731 13d ago

How about we blame the inexperienced driver? Lmao

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u/Afraid_Foot 13d ago

"Flashing pedestrian beacons did little to stop a driver from barreling through a California intersection." I think the better statement would be "flashing pedestrian beacons do NOTHING to stop a driver" they are just flashing lights. These things are a public safety risk, it is just moderately better than a crosswalk with no lights or stop signs but still bad. I think these are worse since they give a false impression of safety. Maybe they should make it like a train crossing and have bright red flashing lights and a barricade. All these do is suggest there may be a hazard. It's a really bad design especially given that construction crews use orange light too and normally that isn't a "stop" it is a polite ask to slow down. This should be red since the driver needs to stop to make the intersection safe.

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u/Ranger7381 13d ago

In the twitter thread, there were people saying that he did not see the flashing light because of the stopped car. Ignoring that the stopped car may mean something, why is it set up that the lights could be blocked by the traffic. Where I live they are big amber lights strung above the road, not the little LEDs attached to a roadside sign.

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u/BSB8728 13d ago

If a driver ahead of you or in an adjacent lane appears to be stopped for no reason, it's a good idea to find out what's going on before plowing ahead. Several years ago an actress in Los Angeles got impatient because the car in front of her had stopped even though the light was green. She pulled out from behind the car and sped ahead, killing a little boy who had been crossing the street. He was the reason the other driver had stopped.

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u/FenPhen 13d ago

Not just a good idea, but the law.

California Vehicle Code 21951:

Whenever any vehicle has stopped at a marked crosswalk or at any unmarked crosswalk at an intersection to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway the driver of any other vehicle approaching from the rear shall not overtake and pass the stopped vehicle.

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u/SomethingIWontRegret 13d ago

"Enhanced" crosswalks are trash. HAWK signals are trash. They should be bulldozed over, set on fire, plowed under and replaced with Puffin crossings.

Anything that isn't an actual red / yellow / green actual fucking traffic light like a Puffin crossing is going to be ignored or not understood. Why the fuck do they bother with these not even half measures that do nothing?

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u/timtoldnes 13d ago edited 13d ago

Were you able to get the plate?

I’d be sending that to your local police department and every local news outlet.

EDIT: I’ve read that the driver came back and waited for police to arrive.

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u/freddiemack1 13d ago edited 13d ago

It seems the driver returned to the scene as stated by the news article.

News story: https://abc7.com/dashcam-video-child-nearly-hit-by-car-crosswalk-close-call/12251186/

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u/timtoldnes 13d ago

I didn’t see a news article??

Nevermind. I see it now.

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u/idrinkkombucha 13d ago

Where

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u/landonburner 13d ago

So the driver came back. Police talked to the driver. No word on charges if any. But they blah, blah, we will increase patrols, blah, we should look at lowering speed limits.

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u/CanITellUSmThin 13d ago

Speed limits and signs won’t make any difference if the drivers behind the wheel blatantly ignore them. They better have charged that guy for something because that’s just deplorable. He didn’t even STOP. That alone deserves something.

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u/SarkHD 13d ago

There are signs everywhere and I’m sure the speed limit is 25 mph tops. They need speed bumps. Bad ones at that. Otherwise asshole drivers will do what this one did… signs can’t enforce anything but bumps at least can do some damage.

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u/Juleamun 13d ago

I saw a great video about how in more pedestrian friendly countries, the crosswalk is at the same level as the sidewalk, so the crosswalk itself is the speed bump and drivers are forced to slow down to even pass it. They also narrow the lanes as you approach the intersection which makes us slow down instinctively. It's so simple but it makes perfect sense. It's safer for pedestrians, it's easier for elderly and handicapped.

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u/TheGildedNoob 13d ago

They can't seem to figure out how to make speed bumps. The ones they put in now in my area are so tall that a stock sedan scrapes on them. Cross walks like this should be retractable bollards

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u/Mentos13371 13d ago

Well they are free to come check out the ones here in the Netherlands. They work pretty fucking well and they could extend them for those ridiculously sized roads.

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u/xBram 13d ago

They need a zebra crossing with a real traffic light.

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u/vinceftw 13d ago

Don't know why you're downvoted. That would probably work the best to ensure pedestrian safety. It seems like a big enough intersection to have a zebra crossing and lights.

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u/MustyBox 13d ago

He made contact with the child. I’m sure the victim will be suing.

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u/lobax 13d ago

It’s the infrastructure. You build for cars and high speeds, then you get high speeds. Lights, signs etc will always be ignored by at least a subset of people, and that will kill people.

What you need is infrastructure that forces cars to slow down. Stuff like smaller lanes, speed bumps etc.

https://youtu.be/_ByEBjf9ktY

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u/riridylm98 13d ago

To expand - four way intersections are such an American product that I always see people fly through. Here in Europe you slow down for the roundabout or you go over the top lol

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u/LupohM8 13d ago

Yeah but Americans can't figure out roundabouts either. I have a plethora of dashcam clips from literally all over the U.S of morons either causing accidents or near misses via circles lmao

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u/Germankipp 13d ago

I'm a land planner in the southeast and I can say the fire department is the biggest issue. I'm now forced to lay out all roads at 26' wide, minimum, for any buildings 3+ stories tall. Also, I can't make unique road designs because the Fire Marshall's push back for fear of navigation issues even though we have tools that show a fire truck can easily navigate through. Some municipalities don't even allow for on-street parking because previous comparable projects in their districts have people blocking the road and making navigation difficult for garbage trucks and other municipal vehicles. The size of US service vehicles needs to come down if we want density. Granted I realize that the pushback from fire marshalls is all for saving lives but dammit if I haven't had so many fun and walkable designs die due to fire departments. P.S. - also NIMBYs are a big factor to preventing connectivity since they don't want people "cutting through their neighborhood" or "it will increase accessibility for criminals" or "we don't want a denser neighborhood connecting with ours".

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u/Pentazimyn 13d ago

Oh my god!!! To finish the job????

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u/tomytronics 13d ago

There's a camera above crosswalk sign

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u/poncewattle 13d ago

Pretty sure that's a motion detection thing, probably to turn off the warning lights if no one is around still.

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u/DanitesHell 13d ago edited 13d ago

They found the driver, but they didn’t charge him with anything.

Edit: source

https://twitter.com/henrykleeKTVU/status/1572972462815719426?s=20&t=pTJX9ZXBW0vHx8rtwKUxnQ

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u/jac1400 13d ago

Honestly the driver should be charged or fined, just for the reason they didn’t stop when they hit the girl.

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u/mrshulgin 13d ago

They were back at the scene within a minute dude. Yes they fucked up, but it wasn't a hit an run.

You even see them reappear in the video https://i.imgur.com/xrPYCry.jpeg

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u/The_Troyminator 13d ago

It doesn't look like they hit the girl. It looks like she stopped the scooter and fell, but no contact was made. The scooter would have been pushed further down the street of she had been hit.

The idiot was going way too fast and should've seen another car stopped at a crosswalk and it was pure luck that the girl didn't get hurt.

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u/atlasfailed11 13d ago

He definitly hit the scooter because it was sent flying along the direction of the car. The girl simply breaking would not have caused that.

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u/arachnofan 13d ago

Is it generally allowed to pass cars at (or right before) pedestrian crossings in the US?

Here in Europe, depending on the country, he would get a ticket or even have to walk for a month after such a brainless stunt...

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u/Agent_Angelo_Pappas 13d ago

Pedestrian crossings aren’t respected the same way here as they are in much of western Europe. In many areas foot traffic is so low that most drivers just don’t even consider it as they’re whipping around their community. Law enforcement attitudes can mirror that sentiment depending on locality.

It also doesn’t help that most US communities favor higher speeds and wider and straighter automotive corridors. Europe’s comparatively smaller curvier roads naturally force drivers to slow down, further increasing pedestrian safety.

As a US pedestrian you’re usually best off assuming drivers won’t see you or stop for you and you need to keep your head on a swivel verifying vehicles are slowing before you step out.

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u/thedankening 13d ago

Shit like this video is why I hate when people stop to let me cross a multi lane road like that In a car or while on foot! It's like thanks guy, but just because you stopped doesn't mean the other lane of traffic will. Just keep going and I'll cross when there's a complete opening. American traffic engineers are fucking sadistic for designing all this car centric shit fml

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u/msg45f 13d ago

Not sure about this particular intersection, but given the design it might be one of the super dangerously designed ones that are very car-centric. In my university town we had one like that (and maybe like this one).

The problem was that pedestrian crossing is an afterthought. it's not built into the overhead traffic lights at all - instead, they are presumed to have priority when they press a button and the lights (the tiny ones you see on the side) start blinking. The problem with this is that it isn't integrated into the traffic lights - so what a lot of drivers see is just a green light. The blinking lights to the side are not always easy to notice, especially in daylight. They can be completely invisible at certain times of the day when the sun glares on the light. Additionally, because it's multiple lanes other cars can easily obstruct pedestrians.

Now, while it's rational to conclude that a stopped car means that their may be pedestrians, I think relying on everyone coming to that conclusion in the moment is an unreliable form of safety and we should present a more direct solution.

If there is a crosswalk and there is a presumed priority at some point in time for pedestrians, it needs to be integrated into the traffic lights. There should be zero mixed signals or ambiguity to drivers. Especially when there are multiple lanes of traffic like this where a car can obstruct pedestrian traffic. I would also want to add indicators on the road - in my country there are many intersections which have LED lights built into the road at crosswalks that turn on when its the pedestrian's turns, giving a much more obvious indication to drivers.

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u/dutchreageerder 13d ago

He most definetly hit that scooter. Not the girl (luckily) but the scooter was hit, otherwise the physics are bugged out.

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u/Guy_with_Numbers 13d ago

It doesn't look like they hit the girl. It looks like she stopped the scooter and fell, but no contact was made. The scooter would have been pushed further down the street of she had been hit.

Looks like the car hit the scooter's front wheels. Unless that scooter is dramatically different to the ones I had as a kid, they only had a braking mechanism at the rear, the only way to fall forward is if your front wheel hits something and stops.

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u/6_5x57 13d ago

It looks like she stopped the scooter and fell, but no contact was made.

Absolutely not. Contact was made 100%. Looks like the front wheel of the scooter made contact with the rear tire of the car.

The scooter would have been pushed further down the street of she had been hit.

No, because she hit the side of the car.

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u/m--e 13d ago

No charges!? WTF!

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u/FPSXpert 13d ago

If you wanna hurt someone do it with a car, you get in less trouble that way.

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u/dagbrown 13d ago

Clearly SUV drivers are more important than small children.

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u/WRITINGAPOEM 13d ago

I’m sure they’ll be 7 cops standing around drinking coffee on my block tomorrow while they harass some homeless guy tho

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u/potato_headed_384 13d ago

...dude blasted through the crosswalk and almost creamed the little girl. Not so much inexperience as it is recklessness. Should get his driving license revoked or sent to driving school.

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u/tacitus59 13d ago

Well thats fucking bullshit.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

this close, lucky girl. https://imgur.com/QGA5yZn

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u/filthyheartbadger 13d ago

I recently stopped once for a guy in a wheelchair to cross but people kept flying by me in the other lane; eventually we both had to give up.

People are increasingly unwary as drivers I find, and crossings like this on four lane roads are increasingly dangerous. The city needs to install a crossing light here as well as four way stops.

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u/tehbggg 13d ago edited 13d ago

Theres a crosswalk I always have to navigate across when I go running in my neighborhood. I cannot even count the times this exact thing has happened to me there. Someone will stop at the cross walk to let me go across and people behind them will switch lanes to blow through the cross walk, or people in the other lanes won't stop. It's gotten to the point where I won't even begin crossing unless every car in all lanes is stopped, because otherwise it's a freaking death wish.

Sometimes the drivers who are stopped share a frustrated and knowing look with me, and other times they get pissed at me for not going. It's like sorry dude, I'm just not willing to risk it.

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u/jorwyn 13d ago

They finally installed a crosswalk to the park on the main road in my area. They put in traffic calming islands, huge signs, all that. Drivers stop LESS than they did when there was nothing marked. I'll take my dogs for a walk after work and count 20 cars before one stops - one way, and then another 10 before someone the other way does so we can cross safely. Sometimes, the driver who stopped on the other side will give up and go, so I'm starting all over again. The park is nice, and the dogs love sniffing all the things there, but we rarely go anymore. Instead, it's just miles of walking up the one sidewalk we have and back down it, because at least there's a 4 way stop that way - not that even half of drivers stop for it if there are no other cars. It's so maddening.

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u/jb32647 13d ago

Write to your council and get them to install a raised intersection. Too many car drivers can’t be trusted to do the right thing, they must be forced.

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u/actionbastard99 13d ago

I got hit (at low speed) in a stop sign crosswalk recently. Woman rolled straight through texting.

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u/gummz13 13d ago

Drivers are to busy on their phone to worry about what's going on outside

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u/helloitsmeyesme 13d ago

Hahahaha, the solution is always lights and complicated stuff .. What about making roads and intersections that are safe for everyone that's not in a car?

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u/LazyturtleX1 13d ago

Holy crap that was close, didn't even look like they noticed.

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u/markcocjin 13d ago Wholesome

The motorist deserves to be brought to court and punished accordingly.

I would just like to point out that crossing after a stopped car, in an intersection where there are no stop/cross lights mean that the nearest vehicle is blocking the view of the other lane.

So you either stop all the lanes to permit a crossing... or don't cross because crazy people in the world.

Saying "But crazy people shouldn't exist" won't bring someone back from the dead.

I would recommend installing a pedestrian activated stop sign for crossing the road. You can't rely on people's kindness. You have to be sure. Because the only thing you can control is yourself and in extension, your children.

Never let your child cross the street while riding a scooter. Teach them to get off it and walk with it instead. And kids should never walk ahead of an adult during crossing. Like I said, you can't control the motorists. Only yourselves.

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u/stonec0ld 13d ago

There was a pedestrian activated crossing sign that was flashing when this happened. The driver just wasn't paying attention

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u/NathamelCamel 13d ago

People ignore lights all the time. While that can certainly be part of the solution it doesn't actually do anything to make the driver subconsciously slow and check for pedestrians and costs quite a lot of money. Something like narrowing a road that only expects light-medium vehicles, installing a continuous sidewalk, not have two lanes both ways in an area with mixed pedestrian vehicle traffic

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u/Due_Stand_8150 13d ago

i can’t even describe how angry this makes me

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u/howdoyouevenusername 13d ago

My nephew of about the same age died in a similar incident, although not involving a scooter and I think the car was going slower than in this video. This family should count their lucky stars that little girl was okay. A split second difference is all it takes unfortunately.

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u/Cluelessish 13d ago

Same. That tiny little fragile body, so close to just.. As a parent, I feel almost sick watching that.

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u/Sug0115 13d ago

Holy shit. This is why kids should always be behind parents in crosswalks. The car flew through that crosswalk.

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u/Real_Comfortable3467 13d ago

I'm always the first one out and last one over. As a parent that is scary as hell.

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u/AlteredViews 13d ago

Same. My son can’t ride his bike across the crosswalk, he has to walk it (or usually I pick it up) and hold my hand because of shit like this.

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u/gamingzooba 13d ago

Wow if only we didn't mix high speed car traffic with human life Like what if we made the traffic... calm?

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u/Momentarmknm 13d ago

Everyone in this sub will scream for blood if they even hear a rumor about an adult riding a bicycle though

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u/surftherapy 13d ago

Wife and I were walking the stroller across the street to the market on a similar crosswalk (flashing lights, bright yellow sign). Every car was at a stop so we proceeded into the crosswalk when out of nowhere 2 motorcycles come from the back of all the traffic into the intersection and don’t stop until they’re RIGHT next to us. Mind you, these were obnoxiously loud sport bikes 2 feet from my baby. My dad instincts kicked in and I absolutely went off on these morons. Made a whole scene. I still get pissed off when I think about it.

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u/tehbggg 13d ago

I am so angry that so many people are so freaking selfish. With all the traffic stopped and the lights flashing etc, there is no way those motorcyclist didn't know there were people in the crosswalk. As such, we can only assume they didn't care, or were so unobservant that they shouldn't be driving anyways.

I'm so sorry that happened to you, but I'm glad your family made it through safely.

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u/MaestroPendejo 13d ago

Mine is glued to me. I live right by this spot. This is exactly why. People drive like absolute dog shit in the Bay Area. This happens daily, this time there was a dash cam.

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u/ithadtobeducks 13d ago

These kinds of crossings are ignored a lot. I’m in LA and I put my hazards on if someone is crossing in the hopes that people that may be inclined to do this will actually give a second thought to stopping.

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u/swoonmermaid 13d ago

This is why drivers should stop or slow at intersections esp if the other car is stopped 🤔 didn’t look like the car even gave the mom enough time to tell the kid to slow down, pretty sure they would’ve seen the mom if they were paying attention

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u/HauserAspen 13d ago

I never cross the street without holding my children's hands. And I ask them to check to see if it's safe to cross.

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u/somedood567 13d ago

Yep it’s literally not allowed with my 1 and 3 year olds. Have to hold hands. Same rule applies in any parking lot

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u/EarthEaterr 13d ago

Not to mention looking to see if there is any oncoming traffic.

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u/Ijatsu 13d ago

Not behind not in front, but at your level.

You'd not imagine how often cars pass behind you at full speed too. Or how often kids suddenly stop and turn around only to be barely hit by a car.

Same rule for dogs too.

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u/CanITellUSmThin 13d ago

This is also why you should be looking to make sure no cars are coming before crossing the street. You can’t depend on others to do the right thing

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u/duggles87 13d ago

I wouldn’t be able to let go of my child after that. Almost complete disaster.

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u/Doc-in-a-box 13d ago

When I picture myself in the parents shoes afterward, I probably would have collapsed on the sidewalk holding my kid and would’ve balled like a baby

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u/passenger84 13d ago

Just watching it and I'm almost bawling like a baby. Since having a kid, anything with kids makes me cry. I would have had a heart attack if I was this mom.

Edit: I see this is a dad from comments. On my small screen I couldn't tell.

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u/LinguiniAficionado 13d ago

I don’t have kids myself but have a ton of nieces and nephews, and this also made me cry. It feels a little ridiculous to cry because of a video of strangers, but I couldn’t help it cause it reminded me of the time I was on a walk with my nephew and he decided to just dash into the street while there was a car oncoming. Thankfully I was able to turn and scoop him up immediately, which threw my back out for like a week, but he was safe so that’s really all that mattered. That could have ended very, very badly for everyone involved.

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u/stinkspiritt 13d ago

Bawled, unless maybe you mean ball up in a fetal position

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u/Carne_Asada_Friez 13d ago

Maybe he means like a baby basketball savant

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u/stinkspiritt 13d ago

Ah, possibly. All good theories

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u/anzitus 13d ago

Y'all need speed bumps or speed tables.

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u/MrJacks0n 13d ago

They're called ramps at that speed.

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u/Swordlord22 13d ago

What’s a speed table?

I’ve never heard of that?

Like an upside down table lol?

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u/ulfric_stormcloak156 13d ago

Its literally just a wide speed bump.

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u/DAS-Nice 13d ago

Those crosswalks do absolutely nothing. Signs and paint is not proper pedestrian infrastructure

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u/malibubleezy 13d ago

In Dallas, we have one crosswalk where pressing the little pedestrian crossing button actually activates a temporary red light. I don't know why it is placed where it is and it's probably the only one in town. But the concept exists!

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u/Almondria_II 13d ago

What? Are traffic lights at pedestrian crossings not a common thing in the US?

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u/sultry_eyes 13d ago

Yea, they need to put the lines further back too. A lot of drivers nowadays drive large SUVs and it just blocks everyone up ahead. Especially little children.

Just bad design.

Drivers need to put on their hazard lights more too. And stop further back from the line. Maybe a full car length back for visibility if possible.

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u/tehbggg 13d ago

Hazard lights might make them think they were stopping to pick someone up or something similar instead of waiting at a crosswalk, so I'm not sure that's a great idea. Though personally, I would slow down anyways, since I don't know why the person has hazards on and would want to scope the situation first, I fear most people wouldn't :(

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u/LadyPaleRider 13d ago

Putting hazard lights on indicates that the vehicle is stopping which would encourage passing at high rate of speed by the vehicles behind that

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u/EevieeOso 13d ago

That poor baby girl. What an asshole

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u/Almighty_Loaf 13d ago

It was a 17-year-old new driver. They returned to the scene and are cooperating with police. This happened in the Bay Area

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u/Roofofcar 13d ago

And someone who is very likely to pay 1000% attention to flashing crossing lights.

I’ve seen drivers ignore those for YEARS. If the driver was 17, they learned a lesson early, and much less painfully than they could have.

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u/jackrgyrl 13d ago

I don’t think this is a miss. The suv does hit the scooter.

Would this be a hit & run? What would they be charged with? I don’t mean it as an excuse, but I doubt the driver had any idea what happened.

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u/BJWTech 13d ago

Plausible deniability for the driver. But the driver actually went back to the scene of the crime and spoke to the police.

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u/joshyjikins 13d ago

I get it but man if I was the parent I'd feel so horrible because I wasn't fast and aware enough to stop my kid before they even got that close

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u/Dwebbo_Daddy 13d ago

Somebody had to say it. He was looking the wrong direction while crossing. He couldn’t even see the car coming. Then when he did the first thing he did was back up instead of dive for his kid. Shit actually infuriates me. Dad is not without sin in this case.

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u/49thDipper 13d ago

I can hardly watch this. It sickens me

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u/iamvikingking 13d ago

Fucking idiot! I have no words...

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u/nsfwftwbaby 13d ago

I mean there are 4 bright signs, lights flashing, car stopped at the intersection.

Let's not pretend a stop sign would stop this person from doing the same thing.

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u/freddiemack1 13d ago

Man glad she is safe. That could have ended badly.

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

When I cross streets with my nieces I'm always holding their hands.

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u/volfyrion 13d ago

ALWAYS HOLD THEIR HANDS WHEN CROSSING A STREET. ALWAYS.

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u/AllTittiesNeedLove 13d ago

This fucking infuriates me.

I don't have children, but this makes me ache for that parent who nearly lost their child to a car. If she was 2 inches further than she was, she would've more than likely been killed.

Read the damn road. If you see someone stopped and you're coming up, STOP YOUR FUCKING CAR. Even if I can't see past the other car, I'm gonna stop at crosswalks cus I don't know if they're still crossing or have already crossed, you never know if a tiny human or elderly person or anyone is going to cross/run out etc.

I really hope that person gets their license revolked. That was just ridiculous and too close of a call for comfort.

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u/acceptablemadness 13d ago

Even if they didn't stop completely, they should have at least slowed the fuck down. I know it's hard to judge speed when you get into a groove, especially as a teenager, but for fuck's sake. Speed like that in such an obviously pedestrian-friendly area is ridiculous and it's only a matter of time before that drivers hurts themselves and/or someone else.

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u/loughtthenot 13d ago

Hmm, I wonder what that bright yellow sign with the flashing lights means. Anyway why is this jerk off stopped in the middle of the road???

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u/nickelchrome 13d ago

Everyone drives giant ass SUVs everywhere now, no one can see shit

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u/jeg-spiser-smorbrod 13d ago

I kept waiting for the dude to react and grab the kid but he froze to and watched it happen

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u/mithavian 13d ago

He wasn't even looking. By the time he looked in the direction of the car he barely had time enough to look back at the kid who was a to far to grab..

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u/Garand_guy_321 13d ago edited 13d ago

Is nobody going to address the fact that, yeah the driver was hauling ass and wasn’t paying attention, but MOM DID NOT LOOK AT ALL before crossing with her children. I live next to a1a in Florida and our area had a bunch of lighted and signed pedestrian crossings installed. There has been a couple of near misses and a hit because people just push the button and walk right out into the road. Everyone needs to keep their head on a swivel including pedestrians. I’d rather me or my kid be alive than “in the right” and dead/maimed. Not an excuse for the person driving the car at all, just saying everyone needs to be aware of their surroundings.

Edit: It’s dad. Or I suppose I could have just went with “parent”.

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u/justheretolurk332 13d ago

*Dad. The parent in this video is a man. Also the video is recorded from the dash cam of a stopped car so they probably couldn’t see the second car in the other lane.

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u/Careful_Driver 13d ago

Yeah, pops made a HUGE mistake. I would never, ever cross a street without checking first. It all happened so quickly though, I’m sure it was a genuine mistake. No one is ever 100% in their a-game. There are moments where I’ve been spared of an accident from pure luck rather than actively checking all the time.

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u/Rawwh 13d ago

Look left, look right, then look left again. Never trust others to be considerate of your safety.

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u/MPRESive2 13d ago

As bad as the driver of that car was, that woman showed an incredible lack of situational awareness. Didn’t even look at the other lane of traffic.

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u/Groovebag 13d ago

Can’t see much point in putting up mirrors or harsher signs when the problem is stupid drivers, people who aren’t actively analyzing what possible accidents could lie ahead.

I think the key to minimizing the risk and naive driving doing damage is by decreasing the driver’s number of options and excuses of doing an improvised maneuver.

What they need is a roundabout!

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u/Flock_of_beagels 13d ago

Dads at fault for not looking too.

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u/_mattyjoe 13d ago

The driver is an absolute piece of shit. If he was driving defensively, this wouldn’t have happened.

However, the dad (or caretaker, if he’s not the dad) hopefully learned a valuable lesson. He wasn’t watching the road while walking out into the intersection himself. His head is turned the opposite direction. He also didn’t keep his girls close enough to him.

Doesn’t matter how at fault the other driver is if your kid ends up dead.

I was raised by New Yorkers, who had no false ideas about what other people, and especially drivers, are capable of. My mom would drive me and my sister crazy with the way she yelled at us to always pay attention, stay close to her. If we got even a foot away from her she would yank us back. Years of that conditioned me to exercise immense caution in a situation like this.

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u/thisalwayshappens1 13d ago

It’s tough to say, but holy shit that parent should probably have a little less faith in society and maybe look for traffic more than once WHEN YOUR KIDS ARE WITH YOU

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u/TheRealMicrowaveSafe 13d ago

More than not at all, even.

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u/macey29ch 13d ago

Adding another yellow light will not help much. What they should do is add a pedestrian street light. These work much better and are payed attention to more then the crossing signs

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u/Vivixian 13d ago

What kills me about this is, if you see a car stopped at a crosswalk, why would you just barrel through it?

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u/brookterrace 13d ago

Yes the driver was reckless - and so was the dad. Like he is just blankly looking forward instead of double-checking the blindspot behind the car with the dashcam.

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u/Certified_Bruh_2007 13d ago

I was going through a green light once and a little girl, 5 or 6, scootered into the crosswalk in front of me. I barely stopped in time and when she jumped off her scooter it ended up under my front end. Scariest experience of my life. I had to pull off the road so I could scream and cry out my adrenaline.

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u/nbsunset 13d ago

oh some other vehicle stopped at an intersection! surely i can just cross it at high speed. 🙄 i swear these people shouldn't drive

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u/chunk337 13d ago

90% of people shouldn't have a license. It's alarming how unaware and distracted people are.

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u/Onlyd0wnvotes 13d ago

Well silver lining I now have something to show my nephew who complains every time I make him get off his scooter and hold my hand when we're crossing a street.

Hopefully this parent learned a lesson and the driver is apprehended and thrown in jail.

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u/kcraw801 13d ago edited 9d ago

Please tell me they found the driver.

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u/weirdlywarmmilk 13d ago

Dude didnt even stop to see what happened he belongs in hell

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u/weirdlywarmmilk 13d ago

The driver that is