r/WhitePeopleTwitter 6d ago

I don't know anymore r/all

Post image
70k Upvotes

u/WPT-Bot 6d ago

Congratulations! Your post has made it to the front page! To anyone reading this please remember to remain civil and to have a great day! :) I'm a bot that's currently in beta. If you notice a bug please message TheSebtacular.

→ More replies

1k

u/capshock 6d ago

But if we feed the poors, they'll get complacent and expect food every day!

660

u/Lepthesr 6d ago

Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!

159

u/Divine_Bovine_1984 6d ago

I prefer the taste of Chrome spray paint anyway.

78

u/zeke235 6d ago

Can i get a witness?!

44

u/IronBeagle79 6d ago

So shiny!

23

u/badSparkybad 6d ago

I have the shiniest lungs and lips

9

u/Eastern-Dig-4555 6d ago

This is darkly hilarious, as dark as the spots on my lungs.

→ More replies
→ More replies

4

u/AMC2130 6d ago

Heell yeah

3

u/FBISurveillanceVan87 6d ago

Now let’s get down to business

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

65

u/buildafire71 6d ago

My pipes burst from the snow storm in Oklahoma, so I've been without water for over a week. I'm such a fool to have become ensnared by water's temptations.

18

u/SammeyLobs 6d ago

Have you builtafire?

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

143

u/Rowe0311 6d ago

This attitude is what gets me. I mean I know you’re joking but people really say shit like that. There was a homeless guy in a wheelchair who would ask for money near a Dunkin’ Donuts, and he eventually after years had enough for a small apartment. As soon as people found out he wasn’t homeless they stopped helping. Like still, without help he’s homeless again. Is it once people realize they’re actually helping that they say fuck it and stop?

3

u/shonuph 6d ago

Yeah like if I’m gonna help you, you must be actively suffering

/s

41

u/[deleted] 6d ago

[removed]

91

u/Imnotsureimright 6d ago

The idea that people on welfare make decent or even good money while living a life of leisure is a myth perpetuated by Reagan to demonize people on social welfare. It was so effective that to this day, 45 years later, people continue to believe it. Source

42

u/PoorLama 6d ago

Yep. I have been unemployed for a year now and was denied every form of assistance I applied for other than a very small amount for food stamps (less than $1 a day).

I have zero idea how anyone could live on assistance in the US.

31

u/j_a_a_mesbaxter 6d ago

That’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s designed to punish the poor and it’s amazing how many people think this promotes a better society.

9

u/CastleReese 6d ago

I work at DHS and the amount of poor you have to be to get benefits is ridiculous. For anyone to think you’re living off of benefits is crazy. I don’t see how most of my clients even survive on the tiny pittance they receive.

→ More replies
→ More replies

9

u/copper0928 6d ago

It was also racist at the core.

→ More replies

29

u/TheGreatDay 6d ago

I'm not sure I would characterize the problem as being with the social welfare programs, but rather with the crap jobs that pay nothing. The sentiment is still the same: Why work this crap job if I get about the same lifestyle, but way more free time? Except now it's not the fault of the welfare programs, programs that are desperately needed by the most vulnerable in society, but billion dollar corporations who pay crap wages. I think that framing matters a lot.

→ More replies

18

u/40K-FNG 6d ago

Social welfare programs dont anywhere near as good as working. Even despite the slave wages corporations pay. I would know ive had to be on welfare for a time.

15

u/Stickguy259 6d ago

Not to mention that, if you're not working, that money basically needs to be put back into the economy through the form of rent, utilities and food. Or hell, if they spend it on drugs then whatever, their drug dealer will spend the money. Or they can horde it and be homeless.

Even that can be solved though with a system wherein every adult gets basically a debit card as opposed to checks, and that gets loaded with money once a month. Didn't spend all your money? Okay, we'll top you off again, but only up to the amount you're allotted each month, no more, and that way (unlike rich people) you wouldn't be able to horde your money and keep it from actually helping people.

There's a million reasons to have a UBI and only two reasons not to: Evil, or greed.

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

230

u/Pat_Pat 6d ago

If you give a poor a cookie...

282

u/micktorious 6d ago

That only leaves 174,999,999 cookies for his boss!

85

u/RandomerSchmandomer 6d ago

A day*

35

u/discerningpervert 6d ago

Pictured: the boss

23

u/DayGlowBeautiful 6d ago

I love that there’s a pop up explaining Giphy’s Cookie Policy on this.

→ More replies
→ More replies

76

u/Dingo8MyGayby 6d ago

He’ll ask for a glass of milk and then one thing will lead to another and socialism’s next

35

u/ladydilettante 6d ago

Oldest story in the book

14

u/Mogsitis 6d ago

That book being the Bible, which has the overarching theme: poors bad, socialism bad.

Source: Am Lutheran

11

u/Eastern-Dig-4555 6d ago

But somehow Jesus’ instruction to take care of the less fortunate because “whatever is done unto the least of these, is done to me” and revering and encouraging Good Samaritan acts” are also themes. Yeah, not contradictory at all.

Source: Former Catholic for 37 years.

→ More replies

4

u/thecarbonkid 6d ago

Thank God they took care of Jesus otherwise who knows where we might have ended up.

→ More replies
→ More replies

3

u/LordofThe7s 6d ago

I’ve always said “If You Give a Mouse a Cookie” was just Objectivist propaganda

→ More replies

26

u/DarthEques 6d ago

If we start to feed the poor, billionaires could lose hundreds of thousands of dollars

21

u/OfferChakon 6d ago

That's bears. You're thinking of bears.

5

u/Baron_Samurai 6d ago

Well, bears are pretty fucking poor. I heard some have to sleep the whole winter inside a self made burrow in the ground.

→ More replies

86

u/nighthawk648 6d ago

How can we feed them if we don't have slave labor!!

→ More replies

36

u/Lexi_Banner 6d ago

It is no concern of my whether or not your village has...what was it again?

Uh...food?

Ha! You really should have thought of that before you became peasants. We're through, take him away.

→ More replies

14

u/Magikarpeles 6d ago

And then they won't survive in the wild anymore

31

u/InuitOverIt 6d ago

If you touch a poor's baby, the mama poor will pick up your scent and won't come back to care for the baby poor anymore.

14

u/SummerFlavoured 6d ago

Or even worse, mama poor will follow you with her baby and expect free medical care from you!

→ More replies

12

u/ninfan200 6d ago

It speaks more about the work ethic of the person saying that than of poor people.

21

u/FrogMasta27 6d ago

Ignoring the fact that most people are systematically underpaid of course.

→ More replies

6

u/3AlbinoScouts 6d ago

We’ve graduated from outright denying poor people assistance to just “means testing” any type of assistance so people who are employed, but still struggling, can resent those who receive help while the government tells them “You’re doing fine! You make $32,000 per year!”

→ More replies
→ More replies

1k

u/leMolunk 6d ago

Am I really left if I just want all people to do well? Or am I just empathetic?

426

u/for_the_voters 6d ago

Sounds like you’re probably both.

92

u/leMolunk 6d ago

Btw, is it possible to be left conservative? :D

245

u/for_the_voters 6d ago

There are leftist ideologies that other leftists consider to be conservative so yes, but also possibly no, depending on what you mean by that.

60

u/leMolunk 6d ago

Okay. I am not really sure where I stand politically.

351

u/PandaBroPound 6d ago

All the political terms have been so convoluted by misunderstandings and mischaracterizations that I don't think it matters anymore.

We pay taxes and people have needs. Those two should be linked, but they currently aren't.

So I'm politically aligned with whoever the hell wants to make sure people eat and have a roof over their head. That's what gets me through the day.

239

u/edelburg 6d ago

I'd like to add, "people don't go bankrupt if they get cancer" to that short list and I'm right there with you.

119

u/ForfeitFPV 6d ago

Make it "People don't go bankrupt if they have any medical issue at all." When hitting my deductible means paying out half my life savings or more before I even start getting anything back from my "provider" what's the point?

56

u/LazyLarryTheLobster 6d ago

Toss "nobody should get rich off others medical issues" in there too

43

u/centrismcausedtrump 6d ago

No one should be allowed to profit off human suffering is my motto, capitalism is fine until it turns suffering into a profit driver, see private prisons, private healthcare, landlords

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

126

u/treefitty350 6d ago

I also prefer to vote against the group that storms the Capitol building with confederate flags and smears their shit on the walls. Over a lie.

→ More replies

22

u/th3goodman 6d ago

And also fuck racism!

→ More replies

41

u/yellofrog 6d ago

Then you’re on the left. I know it’s been devilised, so that the right don’t have to feel like the bad guy, cause they sure as fuck don’t want anybody eating or having homes, because ofc they deserved it. Bootstraps and all that bs.

But there’s no shame to being leftist.

17

u/Kestralisk 6d ago

But there’s no shame to being leftist.

In fact it's the only way to actually be moral imo. Wanting to help folks and have more democratic control of the work place is not some big bad thing lol

→ More replies
→ More replies

33

u/JimWilliams423 6d ago

So I'm politically aligned with whoever the hell wants to make sure people eat and have a roof over their head.

Yeah, everybody says that, at least in public. The hard part is figuring out who is lying (sometimes even lying to themselves) and who is genuine.

As it turns out, the people who have the most to benefit from lying, put in a lot of work to make their lies sound convincing and to make the genuine people sound like liars.

19

u/VividToe 6d ago

There are quite a few American politicians today that are actually explicitly opposed to this. Just yesterday Marco Rubio tweeted opposition to “welfare.” They’re far too brazen for the amount of social media exposure now.

9

u/JimWilliams423 6d ago

I'm not a GOP apologist, but they've been saying that forever. The rationalization behind their party's opposition to welfare is the lie that welfare causes poverty. Their ugliest expression of that theory is that democrats keep black people "on the plantation" with welfare.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2013/07/plantation-theory-kevin-d-williamson/

8

u/HotWingus 6d ago

Meanwhile conservatives keep black people in the free prison slave labor complex by redlining and denying assistance. Its always projection, it is, literally, -always- projection.

→ More replies
→ More replies

4

u/Lazer726 6d ago

Yup, and it's the big reason that I don't like the two party system, because it forces people to think either Rep or Dem, because those are the only groups taken seriously.

I thought of myself as centrist, liking ideas from both parties, but man, this whole concept of "not fucking people over for having the audacity of being poor" seems to be a real dividing factor, and if you don't hate the poor, you're a bleeding heart liberal

→ More replies
→ More replies

41

u/thatsroughbuddddy 6d ago

Just as long as you being conservative means you still support a woman’s right to choose what to do with her womb. And don’t deny climate change :D

47

u/leMolunk 6d ago

Of course I‘m not stupid

28

u/thatsroughbuddddy 6d ago

Glad to hear it! You’d be surprised...

3

u/666space666angel666x 6d ago

Now I’m curious... what positions do you hold that you believe make you conservative?

(This isn’t a trap I’m not gonna wokescold you I’m really just curious)

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

8

u/xTrump_rapes_kidsx 6d ago

What do you consider yourself to be conservative about?

→ More replies

19

u/sean0883 6d ago edited 6d ago

I consider myself to be somewhat of a fiscally conservative liberal. I don't think we should spend money that doesn't have be spent. I mean that I view eliminating homelessness as a necessity, endless wars and by proxy endless funding of the military industrial complex are not a necessity, and that if taxes can be (within reason) lowered/raised to meet the goals then that's what they should be.

There's nothing wrong with understanding that money shouldn't be thrown away, but to also consider the funding of basic human rights as necessary.

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone."

-Dwight D. Eisenhower, after creating the modern military industrial complex, and warning of what it could become

Edit: It has been brought to my attention that I did not convey that I'm not commenting on your views. These are mine. They are a bit hybrid because I recognize the need for both to co-exist peacefully in their paper forms, not their currently practiced form. Which is what I think you're trying to say as well. I'm hoping that the way I express my view (which may be similar, but not exact to yours) help you come to terms with how you voice and view your own.

47

u/Mindless_Witch 6d ago

If you oppose funding the military industrial complex, but want to fund social programs and end homelessness, that's not being fiscally conservative at all....? That's center left politics at the "most".

All leftist I know, including me, agree with this. Supporting hyper-militarization, nationalism, imperialism and funneling taxes to private industries is pretty standard right wing bullshit.

24

u/JarJarB 6d ago

This is what I don't understand. Fiscal conservatism is fundamentally incompatible with being socially progressive, because fiscal conservatives are more concerned about the cost of things than helping people, and about not increasing taxes which is necessary for these programs to work.

16

u/HewmanTypePerson 6d ago

It is/can be fiscally conservative to want to end homelessness. The times that giving people housing has been tried has been shown to actually save money because the homeless then utilize LESS gov funding than someone on the streets would. (I.e. no longer getting jail stays for vagrancy, ambulance/hospital costs, etc..)

Technically from some older studies I have seen, its even fiscally conservative to pay for college for all. Every dollar spent on education returned $1+ to the economy.

There are many, many examples of this. We need to take back the framing of being fiscally conservative, because merely wanting to make sure money is spent efficiently is something we should be able to connect most people with.

6

u/sean0883 6d ago

Well said. Investing in our country is just as - if not more - important than spending on our country. Sure, there will be moments where we do that, but spending on (but not limited to) the military industrial complex the way we do will have a minimal return on our investment.

→ More replies
→ More replies

6

u/sean0883 6d ago

I mean, I lean pretty hard left on policy. I just don't see the sense in funding things we don't need, and keeping our spending within budget. I guess you could call it "financially responsible" more than "fiscally conservative", but the differences between the two aren't that wide on paper. It's the way Republicans practice fiscal conservatism that makes us think they are.

9

u/lt_roastabotch 6d ago

Do they really practice it though? Seems more like a campaign buzzword than anything else these days.

5

u/sean0883 6d ago

That's exactly what I was getting at. Similar to how the world has never really seen Communism.

→ More replies
→ More replies

33

u/stroopwafel666 6d ago

It just sounds like you’ve internalised the far right’s characterising of anything left of Reagan to mean throwing money away pointlessly, when in fact it’s the total opposite. Conservatism means economic waste via pointless tax cuts, corporate corruption, and ridiculous levels of military spending. “Fiscally conservative” is a phrase they have created to try to identify responsible fiscal policy with the far right Republicans.

By calling yourself a “fiscally conservative liberal” you are setting yourself apart from other liberals, accepting the assumption that conservatism means fiscal responsibility and implying other liberals aren’t fiscally responsible. The reality of course is the total opposite - Republicans like Reagan and Bush always leave enormous financial black holes that have to be fixed by Democrats like Clinton and Obama.

You’re talking about “not spending money on things we don’t need”. Literally no one thinks we should spend money on things we don’t need. People just disagree on what is needed.

10

u/fuck_the_fuckin_mods 6d ago

This is it, right here. Thank you for summing that up so succinctly.

→ More replies

8

u/Zombie_Hyperdrive 6d ago

Except every lefty would also say they oppose spending money that doesn't need spending. We just disagree with conservatives on where that line is.

6

u/supernothing79 6d ago

In today's political spectrum, nothing you said is anywhere close to fiscally conservative. A lot of people with views left of "center" identify more conservative than they actually are to avoid being called a commie. Thanks red scare!

But here's the thing: if we want progress we gotta be ok with people knowing it. There's nothing bad or wrong with feeding the hungry and helping the sick so why not identify with the people that also want what you want?

5

u/KittyKenollie 6d ago

You’re the first person I’ve ever come across who considers themselves fiscally conservative, socially liberal who has included actually funding programs for the homeless etc in their explanation. So points to you and I appreciate knowing there are people out there with this attitude.

What drives me up the wall with everyone else I have personally come across is that they aren’t willing to fund the social programs that the marginalized communities need. And if you aren’t willing to support the vulnerable and those that need, you’re not really that liberal. But I can never argue that point of view without getting heated.

→ More replies

7

u/docpurple5891 6d ago

See, I get what you mean, but the conservative you are using and conservative often used to refer to the Republican political party are not the same.

All republicans want to do is dump trillions into the military, so yeah not entirely sure what this has to do with his comment.

You said "fiscally conservative" meaning you understand the difference between them and I understand what you mean and fully agree with your statement, just not sure how it's intended to fit here.

3

u/sean0883 6d ago

I was just expressing my view. He didn't deliver much in terms of his policy beliefs - and I suspect that's because he isn't 100% sure how to voice them. I was hoping to act as a catalyst/inspiration, I suppose. I realize now that I could have been more clear on that.

→ More replies
→ More replies

3

u/SECRETLY_BEHIND_YOU 6d ago

You could check out the 8 Values quiz. Of course it's only an internet quiz so it doesn't necessarily mean much, but I think it's pretty accurate for what it is and it could be a start to learning more about your political beliefs.

3

u/luc424 6d ago

The perfect world is one where we vote not based on a political label but on actual actions taken by politicians. That they ran on action not how they look or what political spectrum they believe they are in. So basically a blind vote process where you vote people in not knowing their age , sex , color or political label , just based on their accomplishments. Then they have 1 year to prove that they will do what they say they will do, or they get voted out. This way people can stand behind values and accomplishments not political labels.

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

31

u/TranceKnight 6d ago

It depends of how you define “left” and “conservative.”

The main idea on the left right now is “social conflict tends to fall on lines of class, race, and gender. We should work to reduce the disparities and injustices that arise as a result of those conflicts.”

You can believe that conservative economic or social policies are the best way to achieve that goal, but if you’re in the camp that thinks class, race, and gender are made-up issues then you’re going to have a hard time convincing anyone you’re any flavor of “Left”

→ More replies

4

u/RandomWeirdo 6d ago

Yes, old school proper conservatives (at least in the civilized western world) did have concern for everyone and hell so did liberals. The old discussion between left and right was how to best get enough resources to everyone. This is why trickle down ideologies are so old, because people actually believed in them and hell in a less globalized world it might actually have some merit. The reason i think right wingers all around the world have grown more egocentric is because the left won that discussion by reality agreeing with the ideology. If people have money, they prosper and when most people prosper so does society and the government on a whole. It is therefore better to give unemployment checks and support to people in need, because in the end that money circulates back and creates more money for everyone. Therefore the only thing the modern right wing has left as a core philosophy is to get more money yourself, not just enough to live comfortably, not just enough to live comfortably and still be able to afford some luxuries, but all of the money.

So well an old school proper conservative could be left-wing today as they still had basic empathy.

→ More replies

4

u/AlwaysHopelesslyLost 6d ago

To put it simply, if somebody is more left than you they might call you more conservative than them.

As far as I have seen, in the US today, conservative basically means in Trump's cult so I doubt you would have trouble determining where you fall.

I rallied for ages that there are plenty of sane conservatives but all of the ones I knew slowly drank the kool aid and are now hardcore trumpers.

→ More replies
→ More replies

71

u/Totally_a_Banana 6d ago

I never got this "survival of the fittest" mentality. Why the fuck did we even bother leaving the jungles and caves to form a society, if that same society is just going to follow jungle rules and basically force you to fight to survive or die?

I thought the whole point was to make our collective lives better...

30

u/Schmolingo 6d ago edited 6d ago

That mentality wasn't even there "in the jungle." Hunter gatherers are and have been reported to be extremely egalitarian and communal. Sharing and teamwork are essential to survival. It's the selfish that were cast out for their antisocial behavior.

"Fun" anecdote from Civilized to Death by Christopher Ryan

Upon his first encounters with the native people he “discovered” in the West Indies, Columbus was struck by their kindness, generosity, and physical beauty. In a letter to the king and queen of Spain, he explained: “They are very simple and honest and exceedingly liberal with all they have, none of them refusing anything he may possess when he is asked for it. They exhibit great love toward all others in preference to themselves.” In his own journals, he was even more complimentary: “They are the best people in the world and above all the gentlest—without knowledge of what is evil—nor do they murder or steal… they love their neighbors as themselves and they have the sweetest talk in the world… always laughing.” A few pages on, in one of the most chilling pivots in recorded history, Columbus wrote: “They would make fine servants. With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

5

u/Josephmercury 6d ago

Columbus really was a piece of shit

3

u/Totally_a_Banana 6d ago

Holy shit, that's amazing how much they understood about the needs of people and strengths of a society, and how fucked up it was that they were taken advantage of and basically massacred for their kindness. Thank you for sharing this!

3

u/dankbro1 6d ago

Don't mention in America they still believe native americans and Thanksgiving together. Lmao they taught them literally everything about how to survive and grow crops and in return they killed them. That was just the beginning just in case people think "that was 500 years ago".

→ More replies

13

u/0aniket0 6d ago

Also doesn't makes sense regardless because according to Darwin's definition fitness is basically "ability to mate and pass over their genes" in simple terms

I don't think any conservatives saying that shit even understand Darwinism is

3

u/TreesEverywhere503 6d ago

Many don't even believe in evolution lol

Then they wanna apply Darwinism to human society 🙄

→ More replies

9

u/leMolunk 6d ago

This is true, the goal is to make lives easier

9

u/Shirudo1 6d ago

On top of this, I never understand why everything should be a state issue over federal regulations. You're telling me you want every state to set protected classes and min wage. Some states would make race not protected. I rather the feds determine that cause I've seen what my state thinks and it's ugly.

→ More replies

8

u/MysteryWrecked 6d ago

Add to that, .9 of the 1% are just the luckiest, not the fittest at all.

6

u/violetddit 6d ago

Why the fuck did we even bother leaving the jungles and caves to form a society

Because the ones that left the jungles and caves to form a society had more offspring... which is a pretty big part of 'survival of the fittest'. It's no accident that sociality repeatedly and independently evolved across all orders of life. I mean, if there are freaking social spiders, then we can be pretty sure that there's a selective advantage of working together with others.

→ More replies

6

u/ww3000 6d ago

You cant just classify and label everything into groups of ideologies.

5

u/Only1Skrybe 6d ago

Sounds to me like you're a DemiCommieSocialDem.

wraps myself in an American flag and lights it with the fires of Freedom

7

u/molotov_cockteaze 6d ago

Forever wondering.

→ More replies

1k

u/hoosierdaddy192 6d ago

Crazy I was just talking to my wife about this last night. I grew up in a conservative household. I decided I was a right leaning independent. Then the right kept moving right. I became a left leaning moderate and apparently now my views which haven’t drastically altered make me a socialist commie bastard.

532

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

Welcome, I as well have been classified as a commie bastard by my over-privileged boomer father who thinks Joe Biden is the epitome of a communist...he's literally what conservatives used to be until they became apathetic fascists who only care about their finances and power.

252

u/epluribusanus4 6d ago

In a political landscape that is not bizzaro world, with far right neocon fascists pulling the entire dialogue hard right, it would have been Joe Biden (R) v Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren (D) in 2020.

121

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago edited 6d ago

Pretty much, my wife and I are progressives because we want people to have basuc necessities such as healthcare, housing, and food. Our "democratic" family members fought us tooth and nail about supporting Bernie over Biden, but we sucked it up after the primaries and voted for Biden. Just over a month in he's scraped the minimum wage increase, decreased the "stimulus" payments, and refused to sign onto the GND platform. Tell me again how he is not a Republican? I swear boomers and their viewpoints are the worst on both sides.of the political spectrum, minus a handful who can actually still grow mentally in their later years.

37

u/[deleted] 6d ago

[deleted]

26

u/Owenleejoeking 6d ago

It’s all a moot point until the $1400 shows up. Which it hasn’t. Trump drug his feet for 4 years on all kinds of shit. Biden’s off to a decent start at matching him.

17

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

True, at the same time pushing them to do better is never a bad thing, we can't become complacent with bread crumbs.

→ More replies

3

u/EatsonlyPasta 6d ago

You are right. Bernie would have the exact same problems, but nobody paid enough attention in civics to know why.

6

u/evilsbane50 6d ago

Seriously.

→ More replies
→ More replies

5

u/___Hannes___ 6d ago

I hope it would involve those born before Jesus as well.

→ More replies

86

u/MillionsOfAnts 6d ago

My dad thinks the specter of communism is poised to strike at any moment while at the same time thinking racism in America is a thing of the past, despite being the same exact age (to the day) and from the same state as Ruby Bridges.

46

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

Blissful ignorance is what it sounds like, and a heaping cup of entitlement. My dad is the same, sent out a mass text to family (teenage nieces included) stating "welcome to your communist America!". I told him to keep his propaganda to himself and to leave my nieces out of any future texts, his reply "fuck you". I guess he didn't like being told that he needed to keep his failures to be a decent human being to himself. While he lives off my rich step mom and the money my grandparents left him, such a sad individual.

36

u/MillionsOfAnts 6d ago

My dad started a new family off of my moms life insurance. Though of course welfare is evil and bootstraps are a thing. Fuck me lol. Wanna start a support group for frustratingly oxymoronic toxic fathers?

8

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

I would subscribe to it

15

u/PoorLama 6d ago

My father threatened to murder me once when I said "white supremacy is still a major problem in the US".

He does that a lot tho.

10

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

Geez, seems like you struck a cord with that one. I'm sorry your dad seems to be a dickhead like mine. My wife and I got called anti-American when we went out and protested with the BLM movement last summer. We weren't part of the rioting, justa peaceful march, but because one of my brothers is a cop we were automatically waging war on him in my dad's eyes. Meanwhile, his statement before we told him we were going to thw protest was, "today is the day that these black people put us in our place". Honestly, I was surprised he didnt use a racial epitaph that he has had no problem using since I was a child, the whole reason I kept my black friends away from my house unless he was out of town.

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

24

u/artistofmanyforms 6d ago

Yep this is a common theme, father called me socialist for voting for a dem black governor. Now I realize I am a independent progressive socialist like aoc and bernie and IDGAF what anybody thinks. Sorry I want people to be treated fairly I guess lol.

9

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

Yeah, I realized it when I got out on my own and started experiencing life and different lifestyles. Then, it was cemented when I started listening to TYT and realized I agreed with a lot of the debates brought up in there. My dad bet me everything that he owned that AOC would never be elected as a senator in New York, wish I had it in writing or recorded so i could take it all when she finally does run and win.

You've got empathy while theirs was replaced with apathy, keep being a stand up individual. RTJ for the win.

4

u/HotWingus 6d ago

The day I lost all respect for my MIL was January 6th when she unironically texted her daughter "Congrats, Biden is president, Socialism has won" and then refused to engage in any kind of conversation about the wild shit she had just said.

→ More replies
→ More replies

52

u/ReverendDizzle 6d ago

Wanting things that my nazi-fighting anti-fascist grandfather wanted like: good public education for my children, clean water, fair wages, social safety nets, and a more equitable society... apparently make me a lunatic leftist now.

That's how fucking far right the public discourse in America has shifted. That merely suggesting people deserve to get something for their tax money and should not just be ground up into meat paste to grease the wheels of capitalism... makes you seem radical.

28

u/hoosierdaddy192 6d ago

That’s the crazy part we aren’t looking for a handout. We want a fucking service, THAT WE PAID FOR!!!

18

u/ReverendDizzle 6d ago

Right? Like why the fuck have I been paying taxes for 25 years if everything is shit?

21

u/hoosierdaddy192 6d ago

So what do we get for our money? Good schools? Lol nope. Well then maybe people could have access to affordable health? Don’t be crazy. Ok then let’s help the needy? No if you help them they might need help again. Well surely we can revamp our infrastructure. Get new bridges and better roads. Maybe a better mass transit system that would also create jobs? Hell No. What the fuck are you doing with the money? I got these cool toys. Check out this billion dollar bomber plane go brrrr! OH we must be safer then at least. idk, maybe. Probably get you a gun because we might not protect you

6

u/ReverendDizzle 6d ago

Hell not even just the military spending. Just the simple math of "Who has a lot of money?"

I'm shocked people can't figure this shit out on their own. If the quality of life for an entire country has gone down over two generations but there are people in that country that are richer than God... I dunno, maybe stop and fucking ask "Huh, shit has gotten so much worse of us for 40-50 years but so much better for a handful of people. Yet we work even more than our parents did. Why the fuck aren't we getting some of that money?"

It's not like the whole system collapsed and even the former billionaires are out on the corner selling cigs to get by. We're getting fucked.

→ More replies

71

u/TroubadourCeol 6d ago

This is why the whole "why can't the left just compromise?" thing is so infuriating. Hard to want compromise with people who keep moving the goalposts further away from anything you want to do and on top of it are never ever told that they themselves have to compromise.

40

u/gamgeegirl 6d ago

You articulated this so well! I have been feeling this way for years but couldn’t figure out how to phrase it! My parents keep saying “I can’t believe how much you’ve changed!” And “You are breaking my heart, I don’t even know who you are anymore!” And I’m like “I’m the same person, I have the same views I’ve always had...the sides just moved under me and now I’m apparently a commie bitch who you no longer recognize as your daughter...” it doesn’t help that in my family you either agreed with my parents or endured the silent treatment for days on end as a kid. I was never taught to have actual productive arguments. If I thought differently I was no longer the daughter they raised and how dare I disagree with them! My dad jumped hard onto the Trump train to Crazyville to the point that he keeps reading books on how he is “Gods Chaos Candidate” and yelling at me for not believing it. Meanwhile I’m over here going “didn’t you guys raise me in church where I learned to care for the poor, the immigrant, the marginalized, etc.? And now I’m the crazy one for still holding those beliefs and aligning with the political party who most closely matches up to that?!”

I’m sorry to rant, it’s just been a lot lately and your comment hit me really hard. Thank you for articulating what I’ve been feeling for literal years now. Maybe I’m not crazy after all...

24

u/hoosierdaddy192 6d ago

You aren’t crazy. I did take a few steps to the left as I learned and grew but not near as far as I was pushed by the political landscape. 2015 everyone around me jumped on the Trump train. I told them he was a horrible candidate and would destroy the Republican Party. I even told them in a time of crises he will fold or worse go berserk. I was thinking about a nuclear war or terrorist attack or something but the pandemic fits. It was then I became a Commie scum, for saying I would vote for any Republican but him. Now I like you align with the party of empathy and helping people. At this point I just embrace it, I want to be whatever is the opposite of whatever the Q-Trumpets stand for.

→ More replies

11

u/HaybeeJaybee 6d ago

Meanwhile I’m over here going “didn’t you guys raise me in church where I learned to care for the poor, the immigrant, the marginalized, etc.?

I've never been religious but my Catholic family instilled those values in me as a child. Now, I have to keep my distance because I still have those principles while they'd be the first ones in the lynch mob if the middle-eastern Jew they claim to love so much actually came back.

5

u/some1american 6d ago

I don’t understand parents who want to disown their children over something as stupid as political views. What ever happened to unconditional love? There are parents of serial killers and shit out there who still love their kids, but you’re going to disown me because I want my grandchildren to have clean water to drink and air to breathe?

→ More replies

18

u/Roflllobster 6d ago

My brother and I have talked about this. We grew up in a conservative household with parents who did their best to instill good morals in us. Nothing crazy, but they expected us to be basic decent human beings. Now that we're older we want to use those morals help others, again not even in crazy ways. We just want to ensure full time workers aren't in poverty, everyone gets healthcare, and poor people get better community resources than what they have now. We are both happy to give up money in the form of taxes and slightly increased prices to help others. But somehow this is radical. Especially compared to our still conservative parents who don't even care if people who work 60 hours live in poverty.

9

u/hoosierdaddy192 6d ago

It is ridiculous. They have been brainwashed into thinking everyone is lazy not working and just wants a handout. In reality most poor people work harder everyday than they ever thought about. There are a few that game the system but are we gonna stop helping 99% of people that work hard and pay taxes that legitimately need help to spite the tiny percentage that is taking advantage. Also those people milking the are not living high on the hog. they are still in poverty. How much are they hurting you. The amount of money coming off working peoples checks for non working people is literally pennies. Look at where the government spends all its money. Coughs* military. Not even all for things that keep us safe. $250 hammers and $1000 coffee cups.

10

u/Roflllobster 6d ago

And funny enough my parents are 100% happy when an expansion of benefits might help them. My dad was giddy at the prospect of Biden reducing the medicare age. Simultaneously "Medicare for all will bankrupt this country". And for note my parents are upper middle class people who upgrade their $40k cars every 2 years and sunk $60k into a kitchen redux in a house they'll sell within 2 years and fully recognize they won't see that full $60k back. They wouldnt be hurt by these policies. So brainwashed seems about right.

→ More replies
→ More replies

12

u/kernelle 6d ago edited 6d ago

I too have noticed this shift in perspective. This reminds me of the time Ben Shapiro called Andrew Neil, one of Britains’ most conservative journalists, a leftist.

Edit: Added timestamp to video

3

u/stormhunter2 6d ago

Calling him a leftist doesnt make any sense either since he's not even in the US. I imagine Britain's politics is a diffierent structure from the US

15

u/dabadu9191 6d ago edited 6d ago

Sounds like you live in the US. What is considered "left-wing" politics over there would be center-right/right-wing in many European countries

19

u/zweischeisse 6d ago

Most American left-wingers know this. The knowledge doesn't help or make us feel better.

8

u/rolypolyarmadillo 6d ago

This applies to pretty much anything Europeans won't stop shitting on us about. Yes, we know having universal healthcare would be better. Yes, we know our education in some states sucks. Yes, we know that the police force and legal system is corrupt and racist, etc, etc.

9

u/whatever5454 6d ago

Me too! I mean, I have legitimately moved to the left. A little. But now I'm a flaming liberal compared to many people I grew up with. How is, "Somebody who looks and acts like a man should be using the men's restroom" some crazy leftist idea?

3

u/hoosierdaddy192 6d ago

Whoa crazy person. Don’t be giving marginalized groups basic human rights or anything./S

6

u/SigmaKnight 6d ago

Yeah, same. I've even "shown receipts" and still get called that while they ignore how far they've fallen.

→ More replies

305

u/alientic 6d ago

I don't want people to starve to death. I don't want to completely fuck over the environment. I'm willing to pay an extra quarter so that someone else's life isn't complete and total shit.

I really don't understand when empathy became a virtue that only one political party was willing to practice.

69

u/arimtimtimo 6d ago

I would pay an extra quarter but that’s not even the problem.

It’s our for profit military complex. Where we are almost 3x higher than China who spends the second most. We could easily fund M4A, cut student debts, reinvest in green energy and environmental changes all by taking like a third of our military budget. And we’d still be spending double what China spends.

It blows my mind when people say “well how are we going to pay for medical for all?” MOTHERFUCKER WE ALREADY PAY FOR IT BUT ITS NOT BEING USED FOR PEOPLES BEST INTEREST. Sorry end rant.

37

u/TacoNomad 6d ago

We already pay for it in taxes, and we also already pay for it through our employers. So, right now, we're paying for it twice. Yay.

14

u/Second_to_None 6d ago

This is what I don't get. I pay a shit ton for my healthcare, my employer pays a shit ton for my healthcare and then, when I need to go to the doctor or whoever, I STILL HAVE TO FUCKING PAY MORE. How is that preferable to literally anything else?

8

u/TacoNomad 6d ago

Because if we go with 'anything else' someone might get healthcare that doesn't deserve it. You know. A lazy person that hasn't found their bootstraps. Or a brown person. Or a woman. While saving 50% in costs, some of the remaining amounts paid might go to cover healthcare for one of them.

5

u/Second_to_None 6d ago

Yo, this reminded me, I asked my cousin straight up if she was willing to pay less for healthcare overall (for her and her family) to be fully covered but that it meant that some people who didn't pay in were covered and she point blank said no.

Newflash: hospitals can't turn you away if you're sick so guess who foots that bill with ridiculous healthcare costs? I just honestly can't believe the level of racism and classism here.

→ More replies

10

u/teknobable 6d ago

We could easily fund M4A, cut student debts, reinvest in green energy and environmental changes

We've spent more money on Iraq and Afghanistan than it would've cost to decarbonize the ENTIRE American power grid. But capitalism gonna capitalism, so instead we have a million dead Muslims and a bunch of wealthy war profiteers

9

u/AhabMcStumpy 6d ago

“We need to project strength”

....okay, and do what with it? Why?

There is such a fixation on the tactics to achieve a certain position that it seems very few step back and ask what investment:benefit value there is in that position. We don’t need a global dick measuring contest, we need policies and investments that materially benefit the American people. Proportional defense, rational areas of defense, and stop bribing half the world to be our friend. What can be done is a piss poor guide for what should be done.

“America First” is a yeah-no-fucking-shit position for the American government to have. So let’s invest for/in America in ways that benefit the American people (corporations aren’t people).

On the scale of isolationism and World Police, there’s a medium. What can be done is a piss poor guide for what should be done.

→ More replies
→ More replies

81

u/thegreatJLP 6d ago

Exactly what I told my mom the other day. She's having issues finding employment because of her age, and said she just wants to make enough to pay her bills and buy food. So I told her thats why I support UBI and M4A, which then lost her because the propaganda my dumbass brother has been spewing to her.

Side note: She used to do his college homework and papers for him. He still failed to graduate by not finishing his last class, while I only dropped out of college due to ridiculous student loan and book costs. This is the kind of idiocy I fight daily, raise a drink for me comrades.

→ More replies

149

u/7776777 6d ago

That is the blackest white person ive ever seen

55

u/usvaa 6d ago

Yeah wtf is wrong with this sub

48

u/Mitosis 6d ago

It's just another /r/politics except with screenshots of twitter posts instead of news articles based on twitter posts

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

354

u/Powerfulwoman20 6d ago

poor do not deserve to starve. They also don't deserve job depletion and other corporate idiocy that is more feudal than capitalist.

131

u/wakeme_upinside__ 6d ago

Shut up you commie bastard /s

→ More replies

84

u/iowastatefan 6d ago edited 6d ago

Yaaas. My spouses company has laid off and cut hours to thousands of people the past few weeks and stands to report it's best year ever in a few days, with net profits over $3 billion and net income of probably $1 billion (looking at their Q1-Q3 reports and making a guess of what Q4 will look like).

How can anyone see that and say it's okay? I get layoffs in rough times but it's hard not to take moral issue with a company laying people off and cutting their benefits when they are reaping massive profits and could literally afford to pay all of those people for at least another year to do nothing while it found new positions for them to be productive in.

And it terrifies me conceptually. If every company is doing this, eventually people that are laid off won't be able to find replacement jobs and the economy will collapse. Capitalism here is literally about to consume itself. Even though I've done fairly well, being in our current economy has done more to push me to the far left than anything else.

35

u/aesu 6d ago

We dramatically underestimate the degree to which capitalists can just continue to transact with the products of their automated factories, while walling off an underclass of unemployed people, Elysium style. If they get uppity, they can just be killed off en masse, since they are of no value to them.

22

u/Thisisanadvert2 6d ago

Things I want:

Our current version of capitalism to fail.

To not be negatively impacted by the failure of a system that I never chose.

That's where this gets tricky. The moment it becomes a worse deal (even in the short term) for the average Joe, it's gonna collapse even further and revert to a (potentially) worse situation of desperation.

8

u/St-Ambroise- 6d ago

If our current society fails theres no chance you'd have your current quality of life again in this lifetime.

→ More replies

6

u/Mortar_Maggot 6d ago

And it terrifies me conceptually. If every company is doing this, eventually people that are laid off won't be able to find replacement jobs and the economy will collapse.

This is a possible future but do you know what I find more terrifying? Companies laying people off while reactionary politicians scream about "leeches" on the system. It's a toxic brew that will eventually lead to mass starvation while the incredibly highly automated companies cater only to the owners and few thousand who have somehow remained employed. Of course we can't have that disrupted by those leeches so we offer some of them basic food and shelter to brutally oppress all of the others. So for all of our hard work we end up with a highly fortified shining city on the hill surrounded by desperate masses.

If the system merely collapses then it can rise again in a more egalitarian way, like the great depression.

→ More replies

20

u/Gizogin 6d ago

Capitalism is feudalism. It just shifted away from justifying itself with the divine right of kings to using wealth as proof of moral character instead.

4

u/evilsummoned_2 6d ago

Well conceptually there are important differences. But Varoufakis does say that our system has reversed past capitalism and is now what he calls technofeudalism (if type that on YouTube you can watch the whole video, and others by Yannis).

→ More replies
→ More replies
→ More replies

122

u/mixedliquor 6d ago

Had a great conversation this morning with my son. We were discussing the incident in Aurora and it led to this scenario related to violence. I posed a scenario to him:

You, mom, and I own a farm and all our crops die suddenly leaving us with no food and we will starve in a matter of days. Our neighbor across the river has a farm that is thriving and has more than enough for his family but he will not share with us even though we’re starving. Is it ok to take his food?

He was very baffled at the prospect but answered we should take what we need to survive until we can fix the farm. When I pointed out that his would be a crime and we could be killed for it he said “we’ll starve anyways so we need to do it”.

39

u/Magikarpeles 6d ago

Most conservatives have a complete inability to entertain hypotheticals.

→ More replies

3

u/TammyK 6d ago

There are only three families and three houses. One house is much larger than all the other houses and it's on a nice hill too. Everyone wants the house on the hill. Who gets the house on the hill?

→ More replies
→ More replies

22

u/RackEmRickie 6d ago

All we gotta do is keep creating an economic environment where the rich can keep getting richer and it will all trickle down to the working man, right? Oh wait a second...

7

u/Mortar_Maggot 6d ago

Oh come on you're going to believe (checks notes) a world leading research university that specializes in economics and politics?

Geeze, some people will believe anything!

3

u/RackEmRickie 6d ago

Well in my defense I am a bit gullible when it comes to compelling research institutions. 😀

→ More replies

11

u/nogoodnamesework 6d ago

This is r/blackpeopletwitter, but I do agree with the message

10

u/thepenguinboxer 6d ago

“When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist.” - Dom Helder Camara

16

u/Go4Lo 6d ago

I’m convinced 99% of people who argue about politics don’t understand the words they’re using.

6

u/PaulTheIII 6d ago

The more buzzwords you can fit into a title/post the more upvotes you get on Reddit

15

u/5011ReasonsWhy 6d ago

As a good little southerner, I didn’t even know I was a liberal communist until my mother told me.

26

u/Gracklefink3950 6d ago

Shh...

If poor people don't deserve to be hungry then we might have to feel guilty for not helping, and we are definitely NOT helping so...

15

u/amcma 6d ago

Uhhh she isn't white

→ More replies

6

u/hellionboost 6d ago

Equal opportunity not equal outcome!

5

u/jgzman 6d ago

I don't consider myself particularly empathetic at all. I'm also more conservative then I think I am, but I'm strongly in favor of things like feeding the hungry, caring for the sick, and, in general, everyone getting what they need to be happy. And yes, I think the government should be doing that.

The Republican party, as far as I can tell, no longer has any positions but suffering.

→ More replies

16

u/RossBoss95 6d ago

Didn't realize this is BPT now

9

u/Rentorock 6d ago

I think this sets the record for the darkest white person ever posted.

→ More replies

31

u/Unhappy-Instance-661 6d ago

This is dumb. Nobody disagrees that "poor people don't deserve to starve". The problem is that you don't phrase it that way and different people would go about the problems in different ways.

This is like saying people who don't get behind M4A or "defund the police" want poor people to have no healthcare and Black people to be murdered by police.

7

u/My_Dad_Is_Gay_For_Me 6d ago

You've summed up my thoughts on the matter and I'm kind of annoyed you're the only comment I've seen making this point.

→ More replies

4

u/dudipusprime 6d ago

Nobody disagrees that "poor people don't deserve to starve".

Man, I'd like to live in your world, where you've never seen anybody take that position. Must be a nice world.

12

u/geodebug 6d ago

I agree the post is self-congratulatory and cloying but:

Nobody disagrees that "poor people don't deserve to starve".

Um, you’d be surprised how a lot of people think about poor people.

→ More replies

10

u/TheDankestGrowaway 6d ago

This is pretty useless given "poor people don't deserve to starve" isn't specific policy implementation, so it could mean... anything with respect to your political views.

12

u/velocity303 6d ago

Not really related to the post, but I think there is quite a bit of group think in this thread. I recommend speaking to people of the other side and you will likely realize they also don't want people to starve but have other ideas about how that goal should be achieved and what costs (not just monetary) are acceptable to solve the problem. I know breaking up the circle jerk is unpopular but come on everyone who disagrees with you is not mr burns.

→ More replies

6

u/wyattlee1274 6d ago

Doesn't help that the far right normalized their agenda to make a moderate seem like a socialist

3

u/Wayelder 6d ago

Especially weird that you have to tell that to the people who call themselves Christians.

3

u/mrubuto22 6d ago

seriously, I was raised conservative and grew up fairly upper middle class but didn't really have the college experience and ended up in blue collar jobs by every metric I should be right wing. But, holy fuck they are just horrific, I can't.

3

u/ednorog 6d ago

I've seen myself as right rather than left most of the time (mind you, I'm from Bulgaria where the mainstream 'left' party is pro-authoritarian, anti-LGBT, pro "traditional values" etc.) and I do believe that the fundament of mostly free market competition in most spheres should not be dismantled, but really, when people who work full time are poor and when such unspeakable levels of inequality are reached, I have no doubt that we must head left of where we currently are and some amount of wealth redistribution really needs to take place.

3

u/nebulouslurker 6d ago

No... once you truly understand that most people are just lazy and self centered you will comprehend why socialism can't work.

9

u/golgon4 6d ago

That's the weird thing bout "left" and "right" those things are always seen in comparison where your society sets the centre.

US of A in comparison to the world average has been pushing their centre so far to the right that soon the average Republican from 20 years ago would be called a liberal snowflake by the new centre.

→ More replies

5

u/WorldsSaddestCrybaby 6d ago

I will forever be confused to what the right think the government is actually for. You'd imagine that they would be super into making the government work FOR us, not against or in spite of us. Yet whenever a universally beneficial program is announced/supported, it's like they forget their entire identities.