r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/doho121 Jan 14 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome

The fact that US service workers depend on tips is wrong. Employers should pay them a living wage.

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u/hyperbolic_retort Jan 15 '22

Yep. It's on the servers boss if they're not getting a livable wage.

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u/Quinn0Matic Jan 15 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome

Tipping should be illegal, and I say that as someone who relies on tips.

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

You see more and more fast food places asking for tips. Right now it’s fun and dandy while they get paid minimum or more. But the fast food pay enjoyment gonna change real fast when fast food restaurants get the legal slip to pay less than minimum cuz “tips are income and will justify it”

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u/deniercounter Jan 15 '22

In Denmark a McDonalds worker earns 22 USD per hour, 5 weeks paid holiday and paid parental leave from the beginning. So it is possible!

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u/Sckanksta Jan 15 '22

In Denmark you also doesn't pay a fortune just to see the doctor which counts for something 😁

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Denmark starting to sound pretty good…..

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u/Kortezxero Jan 15 '22

...that's what I'm sayin'

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u/Perssepoliss Jan 15 '22

Denmark has conscription

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u/BlueKante Jan 15 '22

They also founded trolltrace.com

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u/Davido400 Jan 15 '22

Unfortunately they recently outlawed bestiality, shame that (do I need to put /s?)

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u/ReddityJim Jan 15 '22

Government over reach if I ever saw it.

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u/Willy_Tingler Jan 15 '22

As someone from the UK, I hear a lot about things being really great in Denmark, especially the level of wages. But then I also hear people say things like “yes but the cost of living is also very high.” Is this true? Or is it just a myth? What is the cost of living like in Denmark?

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u/zentoast Jan 15 '22

Yeah a while back I used to work at Sonic, and one day corporate decided all the carhops were gonna start getting tip wage. Luckily I was a manager by then, but considering most folks don’t know you should tip at Sonic it was a certain kind of hell for the folks who worked with me.

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u/something6324524 Jan 15 '22

luckly things seem to be going more towards if the company doesn't want to pay for workers they don't get workers in recentt imes.

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u/Dianthor Jan 15 '22

As far as I understand, tipped employees are still guaranteed at least minimum wage, no? If the value of their tips is less than the threshold to reach minimum wage the employer is obliged to pay the difference. Does this not occur?

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u/starfreeek Jan 15 '22

Yes employers are legally required to make up the difference between what the tipped employee makes and the state min wage if it is less that pay period. That being said min wage is way to low in most places.

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u/Usedtabe Jan 15 '22

Legally required and what actually happens are two different things. Many waitstaff have been let go when trying to get their management to do their part.

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u/Super_Nisey Jan 15 '22

Yep when I waitressed I was taught to always put my tips at a fixed amount, regardless if I actually received that much

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u/AnonymousPineapple5 Jan 15 '22

TIL I’ve been an asshole every time I’ve ever been to Sonic

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u/MarkTNT Jan 15 '22

I'd say Sonic have been assholes every time you've been there, you already pay for the products, they should be paying their own staffs wages.

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u/aerowtf Jan 15 '22

fuck that. If i’m still paying $10 for a shitty burger, i’m not tipping a fast food server. Lower your prices then. sheesh. Never even thought of tipping a sonic employee tf

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u/simbaismylittlebuddy Jan 15 '22

I bought prepared sushi today from the mall food court, literally selected it out of the self serve fridge and handed it to the cashier. She gave me napkins and chopsticks that’s it, the terminal asked me for a tip, uh fuck no. And I always tip 20% but that’s a line too far.

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u/sam_sneed1994 Jan 15 '22

This week I bought a couple of t-shirts online and after I approved the purchase it sent me to another screen where it asked me if I would like to leave a $3 tip. The world gone mad with asking for tips for just about anything now.

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u/riflinraccoon Jan 15 '22

The only time I got asked for a tip online after making a purchase (so far) was when I made a purchase from a small niche company that made products for an undeserved community. I did tip bc I'm greatful for their company and the work they do. But a t-shirt? Gtfoh.

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u/simbaismylittlebuddy Jan 15 '22

WhAat!? That’s obscene. Who would you be tipping? The fucking algorithm?

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u/Daladain Jan 15 '22

I bought a t-shirt from a coffee shop in ann arbor Michigan. tshirt was like $25. My friends then girlfriend was working there at the time. I paid th $25 plus tax and she yelled at me for not tipping. I was like, the girl got it off the hook for me, its over priced, and you expect me to tip?

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u/Resident-Science-525 at work Jan 15 '22

If you want a sign that tipping culture has reached peak ridiculousness...

To-go orders want tips. Drive thrus want tips. Cashier stands want tips.

But keep in mind that is put in place by EMPLOYERS who will most likely pocket that money. It is rich employers getting richer.

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u/SnooPeripherals1595 Jan 15 '22

To go orders should get tips. A lot of the time people making your to-go orders in a restaurant are making $2 an hour. The maximum wage I've heard of for a to-go person is $4.50. they place your order they put everything together and make sure everything is right and they bring it to you at your car. And even if they're not bringing it to your car, they still deserve some kind of tip for doing all that for you. That's how they survive.

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u/Resident-Science-525 at work Jan 15 '22

Point made.

I live in California so those types of workers make at least minimum wage. My view was myopic and lacking context.

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u/Advanced-Prototype Jan 15 '22

Yeah, I don’t get that. They aren’t adding any value whatsoever. It’s basically digital panhandling.

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u/UrLate4Tea Jan 15 '22

I went into a take and bake pizza place the other day. They make commonly ordered pizzas ahead of time, wrap them, and place them in a cooler at front of shop for you to take up and carry out. This place is in a very very low cost of living place in the US (we bought a 4bed/3 bath in the best neighborhood, 2,800 sq. Ft. Extremely nice quality finishes for under $160k) and the shop pays the employees $15/hr.

They recently updated the credit card machines to prompt for a tip. Even the cashier was embarrassed. She said, "OH, that's new. You can just click there to decline."

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u/Meyou52 Jan 15 '22

As someone who does a bunch of work for delivery services and therefore makes most of my money on tips, I’m never tipping a fast food restaurant. That’s insulting. If they get to the point where that offsets paying their employees I don’t think they’re going to have workers/stay open very much longer.

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u/todjbrock Jan 15 '22

Well, many ppl don’t know if tip + wage doesn’t meet or exceed minimum wage, the restaurants are obligated to make up the difference. Yes, not the best thing, but the servers ARE legally guaranteed at least minimum…

Whether that’s enough or not for what they do is another conversation, of course

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u/Tiresiasksksk Jan 15 '22

If this happens, will American people accept without a fight? And if so, do we deserve our fate? Is our fate “worth it”? The American worker seems happy to put up with much abuse, I begin to wonder if it isn’t all some strange BDSM kink.

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u/-smartypints Jan 15 '22

I will never tip at fast food, and I always tip at least 20% when I eat out. Often more if my bill is pretty small.

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u/qoning Jan 15 '22

My biggest problem with this is that the line of what's fast food can become pretty blurry. I simply tip if I'm getting service throughout my stay and I'm not required to handle my own stuff. Like if I'm at a coffee place that has a window but you can sit down after you got your order, that's not a tip situation.

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

I do too and i kinda wanna say no cuz I’m feeding the beast of tip wage by contributing. But if I say no I also feel like an asshole, especially in places like Dutch Bros where they ask how much you wanna tip on the tablet but don’t let you press it. Like sure, lemme just announce that I don’t want to tip thanks.

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u/Conscious_Bug5408 Jan 15 '22

Have to fight it. Those square tablets asking how much you want to tip are going everywhere now. They will make their way to your oil change shop, grocery stores, and start asking for tips at best buy and target soon.

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u/BurntPoptart Jan 15 '22

And I will continue tapping no tip every time I see it.

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u/qoning Jan 15 '22

Better yet if you have to actually put in 0.00. Gives me extra satisfaction for telling you to fuck off for trying to guilt me.

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u/tacorunnr Jan 15 '22

I think In N Out starts 15 and goes up to 20

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u/DanTheRocketeer Jan 15 '22

Tipping shouldn’t be illegal, it should be bonus. That’s how it’s is pretty much everywhere other than the US - the servers get paid a living wage and if they get tipped it’s either theirs to keep or split amongst all the servers (the former being the better system).

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u/codify7 Jan 15 '22

In Japan they get offended if you tip, in their system they price the food at value for what it’s worth and to tip extra is to be insulting.

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u/Vpc1979 Jan 15 '22

In Japan they will pay for the your uniform ( if required) your train pass to work, you also have a government pension and health care. Pretty much you only have to pay rent and food

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u/Nirmalsuki Jan 15 '22

Do people have to pay for work uniforms in any country? If I was ever asked to pay for a work uniform, I won't even go the first day.

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u/thenumberonegecko Jan 15 '22

Yes that's a thing here in the U.S. Several jobs have had me buy my entire uniform (scrubs, work polo) or at least an aspect of my uniform (belt, certain color shoes, etc).

And yes, I would get punished if I didnt comply with the uniform required, so i had to suck it up and charge it to a credit card and hope I made enough hours to pay it all off, effectively cancelling my first week of pay.

Shits fucked.

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u/rednut2 Jan 15 '22

That is insanity. Can you claim it on your tax return at least?

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u/SwitchRicht Jan 15 '22

It would have to be above the standard deduction for you to start claiming . So depends why other expenses you are claiming .

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u/NoMusician518 Jan 15 '22

I had to show up to my first day of work with 350 dollars worth of tools out of my own pocket.

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

Join a Union, they'll provide you with your equipment. I know people bitch about the dues, but the benefits greatly outweigh the $35 a month. I mean, with your Journeyman card that's only one hour of pay a month anyway. Plus, pensions are a beautiful thing.

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u/Triquestral Jan 15 '22

I’ve never had a job requiring a uniform in Denmark, but my daughter works part-time in a grocery store and they just gave her the logoed polo shirts that she has to wear. I am 100% sure that’s standard.

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u/Sansabina Jan 15 '22

You folk need to unionize!

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u/Djildjamesh Jan 15 '22

Well this is fucked up

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

Yep, and if you bought it from them (a lot of places will sell you their uniform rather than have you source your own pieces) and don't return it when you leave, they can withhold your final check, or dock your pay.

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u/fleetingsparrow92 Jan 15 '22

I got one uniform and one work shoe allowance when I worked at Tim Hortons in Canada. Anything extra we had to pay for/buy ourselves.

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u/Hopeful_Mouse_4050 Jan 15 '22

I was given the name of a shoe retailer to use if I wanted a discount when buying my own nonslip shoes.

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u/commanderjarak Jan 15 '22

The US.

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u/UnlikelyKaiju Jan 15 '22

At least you can claim the cost of your uniform on your taxes, but that typically requires keeping the receipt until you finally file.

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u/Ghost0fDawn Jan 15 '22

You DONT have to pay for your work uniform?

In the US you're pretty much responsible for anything you wear, almost always.

I work outside, in different weather conditions and this generally means having cold weather clothing, extra layers, clothing im willing to get dirty and damaged from use, waterproof boots, gloves for cold or physical protection so I don't get hurt or strained. Hearing protection.. etc.

Never once have I ever had the cost of those items put on the company. They would laugh in your face.

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u/BornListen6622 Jan 15 '22

If you work in the US, it's an OSHA requirement that your company buys your PPE for you. The uniform may on you, but your PPE like hearing protection is required to be covered and supplied by your company. If your company isn't providing you proper PPE, that's a major OSHA violation

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u/Delicious-Ad5161 Jan 15 '22

I didn’t know that. There have been spats between the various employers on my work site that have resulted in people going without PPE if they don’t purchase their own. I’ll keep this in mind for the future.

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u/Occyfel2 Jan 15 '22

At my workplace in Australia my uniform was free and I got a few dollars a week to cover the cost of cleaning the uniform. What is wrong with the US

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u/BloodyRob68 Jan 15 '22

I'm an archaeologist in Sweden. My employer has provided me with two pairs of protective shoes, two pairs of trousers with knee pads, a goretex jacket with detachable lining so I can use it year-round, several pairs of gloves (winter and summer), sweaters, loads of tshirts with company logo, underwear, hats, helmet etc. All in all, I reckon I got about 10000 SEK (1200$) of work wear. I've paid for nothing. That's the norm here. I've never hears of anyone having to pay for work stuff, it's absurd.

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u/zenchemin Jan 15 '22

That sounds like a fucking scam and if it happened to me in my country I'd go straight to the labour board and complain about it. Surely a breach of the worker laws, I'd expect all tools and equipment for me to do my job to be provided by my employer. USA is getting stranger every day, what a country. It's all just exploitation of the people who barely have anything at all.

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u/Gauffrier Jan 15 '22

No in Europa, Netherlands you don't pay for your workcloathes... Hard-nose boots etc is paid for.

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u/RenoHex Jan 15 '22

Generally, in jobs that required me to wear a uniform, it was either provided by the employer straight away, or they gave me the specs and reimbursed against a receipt. They tend to prefer the former because it's cheaper for them, Economies of Scale or something.

My favourite was the job that required me to wash my work clothes at home. In return, they gave us enough laundry detergent every month to last me two months (I live alone, everyone else had families).

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u/mediamalaise Jan 15 '22

Also gonna have to disagree on that 'almost always'

Casino industry guy and everyone who is required to wear an actual uniform gets it issued to them and maintained by the casino except for footwear and, like, underwear. The rest of us office worker types in the back who have to adhere to a dress code? We're on our own for that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I would rephrase to :"You HAVE to pay for your work uniform?!?!"

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u/meowpitbullmeow Jan 15 '22

It comes out of your first paycheck

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u/Triddy Jan 15 '22

My part of Canada, if the Dress Code is something Generic (eg. Wear a Black Button down Shirt and Jeans), then it's legal to require the Employee to provide that.

If the Dress Code is specific (T-shirt with the company logo), or a safety requirement (Chef Uniforms), then the employer must pay for it.

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u/MossyTundra Jan 15 '22

I worked at a restaurant that was heavily sponsored by Under armor. I had to wear under armor shoes (70$ out the gate) and 25$ for our shirts.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

I had a cab driver get out of the car and chase me down to return the tip. They view customer service as part of their job. Amazing concept right Americans?

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u/Nightshader5877 Jan 15 '22

It's because America feels like it's built on too much greed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

It's because America feels like it's built on too much greed

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u/iwifia Jan 15 '22

If you deal with another person then customer service is part of your job. From an American.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

Ive lived in the US for 12 years and I wish more people felt the same.

Also, they should be paid a living wage!

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u/iwifia Jan 15 '22

Totally agree. I actually used to frequent (pre covid and baby) a bar that paid there staff a salary plus tip. Single bar, one location, great place and always booming, but everyone got a livable paycheck and everyone shared tips. I think at the time it was $10 an hour for servers and cooks, servers with a bartending license got $15 since they could do 2 different jobs, kitchen and floor supervisor (floor super was the highest rank person scheduled) got $20 an hour. Everyone got tipped out the next day they worked for the last shift so they could get the full days tip and not just the "good hours".

I only knew two people who left there in 7 years. One got fired and one moved across the country.

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u/whatawitch5 Jan 15 '22

Maybe because in Japan they are earning a living wage plus healthcare, free education, and a comfortable pension at their job, rather than scrounging in constant poverty like comparable workers in the US. When you’re hungry or can’t afford your meds, no tip is ever returned over the lofty idea that “customer service is part of the job”. Not when that tip means literally putting some meat on the table this week or buying your kid’s cold medicine.

Maybe if US workers weren’t living in a “Hunger Games” reality we could afford to be more generous about turning down tip money for doing a good job. But until we do something to end our current post-capitalist nightmare and stop letting US employers siphon money away from their workers, US employees are going to gratefully keep whatever tips they are lucky enough to receive.

If US employers think it is important for “customer service to be part of the job”, then the compensation their employees receive should reflect that. If they pay shit wages with no benefits, then they clearly do not value their customers or their employees, only their profit margins.

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u/Secondary123098 Jan 15 '22 Ally

Tipping should be everywhere! Surgeon operated early, tip! Politician passed that law you wanted, bonus! Teacher gave your child an A, have a little cash.

Tips are called bribes in any area of employment where the employees are not horrifically mistreated and underpaid. They have no place in a civilized culture.

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u/crocrux Jan 15 '22

even Walmart employees can't accept tips

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u/Ehcksit Jan 15 '22

I worked grocery and we weren't allowed to accept tips. An old lady knew that and dragged me to the back of the store to shake my hand and pass off a folded $5 bill like we were breaking the law or something.

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u/Tribblehappy Jan 15 '22

Had a customer offer me $20 back when I was young working at a pet store (I think I helped her with her birds? Maybe? It was 2001). I told her repeatedly I couldn't accept it, so she dropped it, said "oops!" And left.

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u/workshardanddies Jan 15 '22

I did this at a grocery store at the beginning of the pandemic. Wanted to tip the cashier and the person who bagged my groceries. Was told that they couldn't accept it, so I just dropped two twenty dollar bills on the counter and left.

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u/Murameowsa Jan 15 '22

Yep, my coworkers who helped little old ladies put their cat litter in the trunk would get a tip slipped into their front shirt pocket like in the movies when someone bribes a guard to look the other way while they rob the casino.

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u/labellavita1985 Jan 15 '22

I love this story.

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u/Few-Swordfish-6722 Jan 15 '22

Me to. I pictured that clearly. Lol

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u/susetchka Jan 15 '22

I work grocery also. A lady said, "Take the damn money." Lol 😂

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u/thejackruark Jan 15 '22

dragged me to the back of the store to shake my hand and pass off a folded $5 bill like we were breaking the law

Old ladies are just the most precious. I think that's why we loved Betty White so much, she was America's old lady

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u/crocrux Jan 15 '22

this has also happened to me but on a register, I was so worried all day someone would come pull me off but it never happened. I have a feeling most managers don't give a flying fuck unless they directly see you accepting it

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u/MixAdventurous6222 Jan 15 '22

my nana does that too so my mom doesn't know

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u/starfreeek Jan 15 '22

I had an old guy do that to me when I used to work at circuit City as a tech. He brought his laptop in on 2 separate occasions to have it worked on and I couldn't in good conscious intake it because there wasn't an actual problem to fix, he just didn't know what to do(like it took me less than 30 seconds each time to get him rolling again). The second time he took me out the parking lot and gave me something.

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u/CaptainMisha12 Jan 15 '22

Aw, that's so sweet.

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u/kingofducs Jan 15 '22

But Walmart loves when they have to accept food stamps

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u/talino2321 Jan 15 '22

Don't they actually show new hires how to apply for SNAP as part of their new hire training?

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u/BankshotMcG Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

While scheduling them at 39.5 hours a week.

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u/fluppuppy Jan 15 '22

Walmart will fire you over $1

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

Walmart will fire you for eating unopened, but expired beef jerky from the dumpster. They'll even wait a whole year to bring it up and fire you over it.

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u/Tribblehappy Jan 15 '22

I worked at a PetSmart. Sometimes aquariums arrived broken, and we would salvage usable items (starter kits would have filters etc). A coworker took some sample packs of bacterial starter and was fired. For taking samples ... Which came from written off product.

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u/TatsuandFlorian Jan 15 '22

I used to work at petsmart. I never got sacked for it but the things from work we took home were the animals too old to be sold when people brought them back.

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u/coffylover Jan 15 '22

Specific and awful :(

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u/CreatedSole Jan 15 '22

Fucking scum. When I worked at tim hortons I saw people get fired over eating a 16cent timbit because they were starving. It's a literal crumb to the company and is worth termination of their employment. I despise these companies that put profit before everything and everyone and look for any excuse they can to fire you if they don't like you for any reason.

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

Stuff like this is exactly why there's a push to leave the food service, warehouse, and factory based industries and enter the corporate office for most Americans. Most factory and food staff even act as their own cleaning staff. When's the last time you saw Mark in accounting push a mop or even clean the coffee maker tho?

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

I had a friend who worked the register there for maybe like 3 months. One day, he decided it was his last day and decided to only scan like, maybe 1 out of every 5 items? Ended up giving away a bunch of free shit to random strangers and getting fired by the end of the day. They were PISSED.

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u/Rodaris Jan 15 '22

To be fair wallmart does not want their slaves to have a chance at advancing their lives.

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u/ThatOneGuy1294 Jan 15 '22

Same for Safeway/Albertsons employees

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u/Mashed_Potato2 Jan 15 '22

Oh but we do. We'll atleast I do in my supermarket. We are t supposed to either but if I help a lady bring heavy shit to her car and she gives me 5 bucks I'm not gonna say no to that obviously.

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u/beforeitcloy Jan 15 '22

To be fair, that actually is how it works with politicians.

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u/elppaenip Jan 15 '22

Yeah, except they're not called bribes they're called lobbying

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u/LA-Matt Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

The Supreme Court calls it “free speech.”

But it (lobbying) is just legalized bribery.

Edited to clarify for anyone who can’t follow a thread.

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u/elppaenip Jan 15 '22

Being paid to do one job while someone else pays you to fuck it up

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u/BeefmasterSex Jan 15 '22

Let’s take it a step further. Money has no place in a civilized culture.

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u/crio2201 Jan 15 '22

No, tips are actually fucked up in every part of the world

Yes, places outside of the US are not as horrible, but everywhere that has tips actually underpays their employees because of it

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u/CreatedSole Jan 15 '22

Yeah because these scumbag corporations use tips to justify underpaying their workers. Then, they literally shaft the onus of providing a living wage onto the consumer who is also already paying a (usually inflated) premium for their food. And then on top of that they were able to dupe people into defending tipping via pariah propaganda.

You know the ones... "YoU"rE BrOkE iF YoU DoNt TiP, YoU GoTtA TiP AsShOlE". No I'm not, and no I don't. I'm already paying out the ass and now I have to pay MORE because their boss and company don't want to pay them? How tf does that make sense??

Companies utilized this "guilt trip" "you're a bad person" propaganda to latently reinforce tipping as a social construct, allowing them to get away with not paying wages, charging the customer more AND raking in even more profit via not paying proper wages. It's so sinister when you actually look at tipping for what it is.

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u/aphrahannah Jan 15 '22

I got a thoroughly decent wage and tips at one of my jobs. Could they have paid more? Probably. But they paid way more than similar jobs. They didn't plan to have tips, but it turns out that rich people wanted to give us money... so we took it!

They also sent us home with very fancy leftovers.

I just realised this sub may lynch me for saying such things.

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u/Alastor_Hawking Jan 15 '22

I think the issue is that tipping has nothing to do with the service you provide, and everything to do with who the tipper is as a person. Women and minorities in the service industry have to put up with awful racist, sexist people, because they rely on those tips. I do think we should eliminate tipping as a culture and tipping wages as a law, as it only exists to take power away from marginalized groups.

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u/JaggedTheDark Jan 15 '22

I remember hearing about how tipping in certain Asian countries is considered rude and an insult, as it makes it seem like the person you're tipping has to depend on the people, and can not fend for themselves, or something along those lines.

Don't qoute me on that though, I probably heard this like five years ago. that, or my brain is just making shit up at this point. too tired to double check.

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u/hedgybaby Jan 15 '22

I went to Japan in 2018 and it was so nice to never feel the pressure to need to tip as it’s not really socially acceptable there.

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u/gojirra Jan 15 '22

And the ironic thing is the service and quality of food in Japan is amazing.

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u/lone_Ghatak Jan 15 '22

I think you mean Mandatory tipping. Optional tipping should be welcome.

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u/Altermatego Jan 15 '22

From what I understand the American pay/tip system is a joke, I hope you guys fix it.

American restaurants (E.g. TGIF) in Australia getting paid our way (liveable wage / no tips) still ask for tips… ah no thanks not after paying $80AU for 2 burgers and soda.

It’s the employers job, to pay employees, not the customers.

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u/Kagyu13 Jan 15 '22

Where I live I will say southeast Texas it actually is on the employer. If their employee doesn't make enough in tips to meet minimum wage the employer has to pay that difference. Unfortunately that law isn't talked about much here and the 16-20 year olds don't know about it so that is just free labor.

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u/Das-Noob Jan 15 '22

Then employer wouldn’t be able to steal your wages as easily

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u/freddhesse Jan 15 '22

This. The normalization of passing on wages to the will of the customer is incorrect. Still, I tip.

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u/sauteslut Jan 15 '22

We need to abolish tip wage credit

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u/just_enjoyinglife Jan 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

On the other hand if you are broke maybe you should not eat a $80 meal. I am rich and Ate $80 meals maybe 2 or 3 times per year max

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u/WrongYouAreNot Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22 Silver Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote

This shouldn’t be even remotely in the range of an employee’s problem, though. Servers can’t control how financially sound a patron is, and they shouldn’t have to worry about it. That’s the business’ job. If someone couldn’t afford a TV but bought one anyway it wouldn’t affect the cashier at an electronics store. Likewise if someone takes out a loan they can’t afford to redo their bathroom it should never affect whether the individual contractor or supplier gets paid or not.

The burden of irresponsible individual customers being passed onto servers doing their best to give everyone a decent experience is the problem, not the other way around.

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u/awakenedchicken Jan 15 '22

Exactly. When a person goes to an establishment to eat, they are expected to pay the establishment the cost listed on the menu. That money should go to the business to pay for their employees labor. What’s the most fucked up is that the business is able to pay the employee less than minimum wage because they are expected to get tips to cover the rest.

It’s not the costumers job to pay the employees. We already paid for the meal. Unfortunately this will only change if people stop tipping all together. Which will only hurt workers until government steps in.

They’ve put us in a trap where we have to either pay employees for the business or end up hurting the employee rather than the business

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u/MenyMoonz Jan 15 '22

Not to mention that the mark up on the cost of food passed to the consumer is huge.

What a completely fuq’d-up system. How did we even get here?

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u/awakenedchicken Jan 15 '22

Exactly. Clearly retail businesses that have a smaller profit margin get away without people tipping their employees so what can’t food service do the same with a much larger profit margin.

Especially alcohol. Like I just paid 8 bucks for a shot of whisky, do you really need me to tip your employee so they can get enough pay??

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u/audigex Jan 15 '22

Also there's the fact that restaurants in the US are just as expensive as in Western Europe, despite paying their staff much less...

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u/awakenedchicken Jan 15 '22

Unfortunately a lot of Americans are brainwashed into thinking this is the only way because if America does it, it must be the right system.

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u/audigex Jan 15 '22

It seems to be a common theme - Americans have been told "America is the greatest country in the world" so often that they've started to believe it

Sorry, Americans - nothing against you individually, but it's hard to find a metric (other than firearm homicides and military spending) where the US even breaks it into the top 5 on "best in the world"

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u/BIG_BOSS_927 Jan 15 '22

As an American, I thank you for this comment 👍

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u/Im2bored17 Jan 15 '22

Number of billionaires, but I'm not bragging about that like it's a positive either.

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u/Im2bored17 Jan 15 '22

I think we're winning at obesity too.

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u/FireBeyond Jan 15 '22

Citizens incarcerated per capita too!

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u/StrungStringBeans Jan 15 '22

Don't sell us short. We also win at "most time spent at work", "largest percentage of our population incarcerated", and "most $ spent on healthcare".

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u/gadmouse Jan 15 '22

but it's hard to find a metric

USA: What's a metric?

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u/Thespiritualalpha Jan 15 '22

Excellent point!!!

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u/triculious Jan 15 '22

Every time tipping is mentioned the following argument is brought up: "You gotta remember food and drinks businesses barely stay alive as is. They only have the slightest margin of profits. A gentle breeze can break them."

Bitch, please! Every place has a huge mark-up on their prices and their staff is underpaid af, next you'll try to convince me a well-managed (or even pooly) bank is barely making it week to week.

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u/mia_elora Jan 15 '22

It's always funny, I hear this argument as well, and then people who live in other countries just have to raise their hand and point out they don't work that way, and it's fine. They always want you give them more money for the business, because it is never, ever enough.

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u/Tipped-off_desk Jan 15 '22

America has alot of double standards I see.

Like on one hand they seem to abhor anything resembelling communism or socialism and then there is the tipping culture which in essence is somewhat socialistic.

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u/TextbookBuybacker Jan 15 '22

Wanna know how I know you’ve never operated a restaurant?

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u/anansi133 Jan 15 '22

What really burns my biscuit is when restaurants punish the waitstaff for "dine and dash" thieves, deducting the meal price from their paycheck. This needs to be illegal.

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u/mtflyer05 Jan 15 '22

It is, in most, if not all, places.

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u/cblumer Jan 15 '22

It is technically illegal, afaik. That doesn't stop a bad employer from doing it though. They can still fire you over it which is how they get you to pay.

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u/Yawzheek Jan 15 '22

Uhm, it definitely already is illegal. Like, highly fucking illegal. In fact, I don't know of any cases where employers are allowed to deduct costs such as this from an employee paycheck.

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u/Living-Substance-668 Jan 15 '22

Happens anyways, though, because we don't believe labor violations or wage theft deserve aggressive law enforcement response (shoplift a bagel from the same establishment, though - that's serious business!)

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u/Ser_VimesGoT Jan 15 '22

Amen. How people don't get this is beyond me.

Besides, those people COULD afford the meal. They just couldn't justify spending more.

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u/DootMasterFlex Jan 15 '22

Not only that, maybe the food there is ridiculously cheap and this is a bill for a family of 8. More context is needed here, the only context we have is that tipping is dumb, and you don't need much of a backstory for that.

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u/Talik1978 Jan 15 '22

Depends on the number of people fed. 1-2 is a nice date restaurant. 8? Is chipotle.

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u/mmavcanuck Jan 15 '22

$80 gets me, my wife and our small child a burrito dinner.

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u/Worried-Egg-8560 Jan 15 '22

Try chipotle you can get 8.25 a burrito What kind of burrito are you getting? 27 dollars a person is it made from gold or something

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u/ghostwhat Jan 15 '22

Do you realise how insane the whole tipping bit actually is? Do you tip the cashier at the store? Do you tip the guy working at the Apple store? Do you tip the person you bought cinema tickets from? When you got your car back from the shop and paid for all the parts, did you have to tip the mechanic to cover his pay? It's a mind-boggling concept incredibly unique to the US.

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u/luigilabomba42069 Jan 15 '22

as a mechanic who's been tipped before, I gotta say, it's pretty nice and fulfilling, even if they give you only a few bucks

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u/RTFanIguess Jan 15 '22

Artist too. If I do a commission and they float a couple extra bucks my way. Anyways I am gonna get some 1’s out for the boys at the feed store for my next pet food order carryout they do

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u/Ave_TechSenger Jan 15 '22

So. I just left a call center job a month ago… but some weeks before that, I had a rather angry, ornery caller who cursed me out over some product issues… then called back repeatedly, got me at least twice, hung up whenever I said my greeting, then finally stayed on the line… to apologize and offer me a tip via CashApp for their being an asshole.

It was bizarre and kind of trashy and I refused the tip in any case.

Heck, I wasn’t even getting paid nearly enough in that job.

I grew up in a restaurant, worked various service jobs throughout college and after, etc. Tips can make a job quite lucrative, esp. if you get paid out partially or fully in cash, but I’d much prefer a steady wage.

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u/BroChad69 Jan 15 '22

Everything be costing $80 now cuz of inflation doe

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u/pukingpixels Jan 15 '22

Cook and eat at home. It’s only $70.

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u/75Minnesota Jan 15 '22

Ramen's still pretty cheap. Only 40 bucks!

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u/TheBigPointyOne Jan 15 '22

I bought a potato yesterday and it was only 50 dollars

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u/denim_chicken45 Jan 15 '22

A potato flew around my room before you came

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u/iAMguppy Jan 15 '22

I mean it’s one banana Michael, how much could it cost? 10 dollars?

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u/midnight_to_midnight Jan 15 '22

The lunch I made at home today cost me about $1.50

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u/Professional-Dog6981 Jan 15 '22

What'd you make?

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u/krat0s5 Jan 15 '22 Bravo Grande!

The lint and coins between the couch cushions.

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u/First-Celebration-11 Jan 15 '22

This was the funniest shit I’ve read today 😂😭

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Feb 27 '22

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Taco Bell is still a good deal

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 Take My Energy

While my wallet can handle having Taco Bell fairly often, my asshole cannot.

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u/Molto_Ritardando Jan 15 '22

Pro tip: Keep your toilet roll in the freezer.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Thats some next level shit right there.

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u/nxknxwledge Jan 15 '22

I've eaten Taco Bell many a times and I've never gotten the shits from it. Is that really a thing or are people just pushing a old joke?

Probiotics are your friend.

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u/InterviewForward2602 Jan 15 '22

Same here. I never got it. It's gotta be an old joke.

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u/100000nopes Jan 15 '22

I wonder this often too. I feel like it's a giant meme.

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u/Goph3000 Jan 15 '22

I have a toxic hell aka taco bell rule, 3 taco max or else I'm fucked for like 2 days.

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u/Own_Worker_9000 Jan 15 '22

Toilet paper is not a good deal anymore! Add that bill to Taco Bell and your eating gourmet! 🌮😳💩😂🤣😂✌️

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u/spychipper Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Get a bidet and apply the toilet paper savings towards more Taco Bell.

Bonus: Cool refreshing stream of water on your ass.

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u/MissionComfortable47 Jan 15 '22

Right after the spicy stream coming from your ass.

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u/Own_Worker_9000 Jan 15 '22

Baby Wipes keep it polished! ✌️😎

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u/SaraSlaughter607 Jan 15 '22

TEAM BABY WIPES HERE.

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u/Slyrfn1986 Jan 15 '22

Factor in the $500 fee for a plumber to come snake out those baby wipes lodged in your septic!

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u/yrmidon Jan 15 '22

I see what you’re saying but the fault lies with the restaurant, not the tipper (or non-tipper). Servers should not depend on the generosity of strangers, restaurants should pay them enough that they don’t need to rely on tips.

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u/Helicoptwo Jan 15 '22

The fault lies in the state. Its state laws that allow servers in capitalist states to be paid $2.13 an hour. This should be federally mandated.

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u/theycallmeingot Jan 15 '22

Nah. You aint rich if you’re on reddit saying you’re rich. 😂

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u/chatreuxcatgoth Jan 15 '22

I have to agree. Because US workers need tips, I always will buy meals in my price range with enough money to give a good tip.

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u/CogentCacophony Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

‘ I am rich’, lol. Your language skills are poor. One should never brag about their financial situation; its trashy.

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u/PCPenhale Jan 15 '22

Imagine all the food one could purchase and prepare at home for $77, when one is broke.

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u/Coca-karl Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

First off an $80 meal is nothing for a family. You sound like an fool telling people not to feed their children.

Second part of the price of a meal at a service establishment is paying the staff. The owner should pay their employees if they want employees.

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u/EnigmaGuy Jan 15 '22

Something tells me their idea of ‘broke’ is not really broke, but rather they’d rather spend the cash on other stuff and it’s an easy out.

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