r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Wholesome 10 Silver 5 Helpful 16

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Shruikathemonk Jan 14 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry

American tipping culture is a cancer.

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u/PattyIce32 Jan 15 '22

It only works when things are going well. Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

And that's how you know the machine is oiled well. Make sure people are so focused on whether or not they'll have enough money to live or eat so they won't look at all of the obvious, glaring fuckery being done around (and to) us.

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u/CriticoolHit Jan 15 '22

Even better. Feed the dumber citizens hard propaganda that makes them fight with all the other citizens that are trying to fight for rights and pay. As if the hyuck hyucks are too busy fighting the progressives then they can't fight the government.

Control your citizenry through propaganda 101.

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u/Neveronlyadream Jan 15 '22

And then feed them propaganda that it's all their fault.

"Millennials are killing restaurants and small businesses and the baby market and diamonds and et cetera! They're spending all their money on avocado toast!"

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

Ah ,that ever present avocado toast.

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u/BigBosley Jan 16 '22

Both sides of the spectrum could reach some form of a common ground if our masters would let them. Instead just keep us going hard against each other while they all line their pockets and laugh

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u/nonaaandnea Jan 16 '22

Lmfao I really love that "hyuck hyuck" euphemism lmao

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u/meltedbananas Jan 15 '22

Please master, let me try harder

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22 Helpful

Best I can do is 60 hours a week with no PTO.

But the best part? Were not just coworkers here, we're family.

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u/Birdman_a15 Jan 15 '22

And family shares. So give up 10% of your tips to the bartender.

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u/Flipperlolrs Jan 15 '22

Oh please! Won’t someone think of my trust fund!?

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u/FindTheWayThru Jan 15 '22

Or my vacation homes?

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u/kimmyv0814 Jan 15 '22

Of course! Why should the company give more money to bussers, hostesses, etc., when they can get YOU to pay them! Ridiculous

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u/CreatedSole Jan 16 '22

It's such bullshit. And the people that are so quick to be condescending and tell you you're the piece of shit for not tipping when the real pieces of shit are the company not paying proper wages, so ridiculous.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

That's a fact jack.

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u/Origonn Jan 15 '22

Please daddy, let me try harder

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u/dogefather12345 Jan 15 '22

Thirsty? drink some blood leaking from your mangled hands… and get back to work.

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u/Tallpawn Jan 15 '22

Try? Anyway, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

And you better be happy about it.

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u/namesake1337 Jan 15 '22

Or else

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

Don't we all just love forced team cohesion and trauma bonding??

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u/floppy_labrador_ears Jan 15 '22

I know a supervisor that has this quote on his desk... kinda rubs me wrong.

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u/urbana1 Jan 15 '22

Are we pleasing thee master? Whilst doing a little jiggle with noddy style hats in a high pitched voice...ok yes I’ve done this silly little dance saying just that to my work colleagues to poke fun at how fucked up the boss and worker dynamic is that’s been forced on us. We all laugh but if you think about it it’s bloody depressing. Man I’d love some F U money.

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u/nonaaandnea Jan 16 '22

Lmfao I love these comments. Reddit comments are always gold. I mean this in a good way.

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u/GringoSancho Jan 15 '22

I read once “The gears of capitalism are oiled by the blood of the workers.” I forget who wrote that, but it’s something that I’ll never forget.

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u/FabulousSomewhere761 Jan 15 '22

The Simpsons tv show where I heard it first

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u/zeke235 Jan 15 '22

And make sure they can just barely cover their expenses so the only thing they do with downtime is take a break. Can't have them finding the time to better their situation.

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u/johnasee Jan 15 '22

Why arent we angry enough to torch it all?

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

because we're all too broke too buy torch supplies.

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u/International-Web496 Jan 16 '22

Pitchforks? In this economy?

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u/willyrs Jan 15 '22

That completely true, the uprising in history bursted out when people lived a fair life but knew they could have better, not when life was bad

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jan 15 '22

Fighting over breadcrumbs

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u/bioblondi Jan 15 '22

I lost an uncle after telling him that 😆

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u/elcubanito Jan 15 '22

Your uncle is the one who's lost.

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u/romulusnr Jan 15 '22

No, they literally made their uncle fight for breadcrumbs to eat, and he got pissed off and left.

I kid, I kid.

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u/GoodDoctorPretorius Jan 15 '22

You gained peace of mind.

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u/cameldrew Jan 15 '22

The ivory tower, the higher power

I swear they're laughing as we claw at the scraps

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u/IndyAndyJones7 Jan 16 '22

Breadcrumbs? Plural? You must be rich.

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u/MudLOA Jan 15 '22

You should have read a similar post a few days ago. People were posting about how great it was making so much money from tips and I’m sure a lot of them were also not reporting income tax on it. It’s just all about the cash in the pocket and who cares about not having sick days or insurance.

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

I have a friend who bartends and always told me it can be such great money. Recently she got a concussion and was out for three weeks. Then she caught Covid. Another two weeks. She just found out she needs a dental procedure that’ll cost ~700 dollars. She’s broke right now so her boyfriend is staying at his current job that he was going to quit for something else so that she can get his benefits

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u/gfhfghdfghfghdfgh Jan 15 '22

People can transfer benefits to their dates?

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

Yeah they’ve been together for 3 and living together for >a year. In Canada that qualifies you as a common law partner for insurance benefits

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u/_NoBoXiNgNoLiFe_ Jan 15 '22

You mean, canada DOESN'T have the 'free at the point of need' universal healthcare like we have in britain?

And there i was, thinking canada was civilised ...

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u/nevsdottir Jan 15 '22

It does have free medical care...but NOT dental care, which is annoying

Does UK NHS cover dental care?

If she is out sick because of covid there are numerous government programs for $$$.

Finally, in Canada bartenders earn a lot more per hour than in the US and this year they'll be getting 15/hr minimum. Unemployment should be decent then too, if necessary.

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

Yeah it makes me mad, not sure how the government decided that this stuff wasn’t important

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u/MetsFan113 Jan 15 '22

My job allows it as long as you can prove you have lived together for more than 6 months... I got no deductible, 25$ co-pays and 5$ prescriptions...

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u/romulusnr Jan 15 '22

In some places if you live with someone permanently they can receive benefits. Not always.

In lots of places, living with someone in a relationship for over a certain amount of time is considered a "common law marriage" i.e. statutorily defined instead of actually being officially married. (And then there's Massachusetts where more than three unrelated women living together is legally considered a whorehouse, but that's a story for another day.)

This is actually how they got Tom Green! (Er, not that Tom Green... this Tom Green.)

But that's far more than just "their dates," if anything it's "playing house."

I lived with my ex for 12 years, we were never married. I live with my current SO for 5-6 years, we act like we're married although covid has put a bit of a hitch (heh) in the works to get it official. In some places we could actually file for domestic partnership, although that's rarer now that SSM is legalized in US.

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u/ahandmedowngown Jan 15 '22

Yes some companies allow common law or significant other coverage.

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u/But_why_tho456 Jan 15 '22

And others require you to pay the "family plan" because your sister or mom living with you doesn't qualify you to do the cheaper "me+spouse" health insurance plan.

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u/CancerIBC Jan 15 '22

And what about the people who don’t have a significant other?

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u/JohnLick3 Jan 15 '22

This is the most American catch 22 I've ever read.

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

Canada actually! Healthcare doesn’t cover dental or eyes unfortunately

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u/monogamish306 Jan 15 '22

Also, seldom drugs.

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

My sister is a lifelong waitress and I be watching her blow money so fast. She's damn good at her job, but the industry is up and down, not consistent, etc and she doesn't prepare for the hard times

Some nights she will literally come home with like 7 to 900 dollars that she made in one night, other times she won't even make 50 bucks in a day. But what does she do when she has those 700 dollar nights, she blows it very fast

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u/tandyman8360 lazy and proud Jan 15 '22

This is like the conversation on the first page of "Waiter Rant." An income that's not steady can make it difficult for people to get a good understanding of their financial obligations in relation to their money. It's a tough thing because even if you save, it feels like a huge expense is always there to wipe it out.

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u/stealthgerbil Jan 15 '22

If your income isn't reliable you gotta live like you are going to be making the lower end of the spread. That way you can save up cash for the bad times. Shit happens so much I just expect it now.

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u/James-SF Jan 15 '22

Fair enough but it's also true for many self-employed and contractors.

Anyone can spend 10 mins writing down expenses and making a mini budget. Shame this isn't driven into people in the classroom

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u/Wiggy_Bop Jan 15 '22

This is the story of everyone who works in the service industry. Some are very disciplined with their money, paying their taxes quarterly, saving for a rainy day. I admire them, I truly do. But so many people in the SI get into that party lifestyle, get strung out on blow and/or seriously alcoholic. They wake up one day at 40 and wonder where the time went.

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u/_NoBoXiNgNoLiFe_ Jan 15 '22

Could you actually BE any more arrogant and condescending?! * jesus christ almighty. ..

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

The crazy thing is. And I love my sister to death....but she'll go out after work, drink and party all night, come home like at 4am and be up early in the morning to go back to work.

I be shocked how she's able to do that but she does it. She works her fucking ass off and i admire it so much but she is atrocious when it comes to her money. She's older than me already in her 30s and she's been like this for as long as I can remember

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u/Wiggy_Bop Jan 15 '22

I’m sorry, but your sis sounds just like me when I had a big cocaine problem. I wasn’t in the SI, but a lot of my pals were. I wish I had all the money I spent on my vices back.

If I were you, I’d have a talk with her. Catch her on a Monday morning, if you can. She will be completely serotonin depleted and will tell you everything. She probably wants off the merry go round, anyway. Be prepared for her to need a ton of support. Good luck.

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u/Bitesize777 Jan 15 '22

Easy come, easy go! I worked in the industry for years. It sux

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u/PuzzleheadedRepeat41 Jan 15 '22

I lived with my brother in my early 20s. He was a waiter. I made minimum wage, no tips, although I both was a hostess and bussed tables. A few years later, the waiters and bus boys shared some tips with the women hostesses

I couldn’t believe how much the waiters made! And they would spend it all that night at bars. And they would complain they were always so broke. When I finally made a little money, I made sure I didn’t spend it at bars.

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

Yep....when she has one of those good nights she goes straight out to party with her other coworkers who also had good nights and they come home with almost nothing

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u/Bitesize777 Jan 15 '22

Smart you are!!

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u/Nwolfe Jan 15 '22

$700-$900 in a night? Are you sure she’s not a stripper?

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

She works at a higher end restaurant in houston. I didn't believe it either until I saw it.

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u/MetsFan113 Jan 15 '22

That's easy in a high end - well trafficked restaurant in nyc...

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u/WholesomeYungKing Jan 15 '22

Strippers earn more lol

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u/averyfinename Jan 15 '22

all it takes is a couple really good tables, and not fill the rest of the night with 'broke' guys that can still pay $80 for lunch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Part of the problem is people have an ingrained spending mentality like your sister. I don't know if it's the constant barrage of advertising we're exposed to or what. Human beings aren't stupid compared to 100 years ago, but they will have $30 to their name and use it to order Doordash. I wish I understood the psychology behind that.

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u/Hardinyoung Jan 15 '22

Cocaine one helluva drug

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u/EggCounselor Jan 15 '22

Restaurant industry is one of those where it’s hard to come by people with the right set of skills and nerve. Once you’re in you’re in kind of deal and you get away with a lot. So if you’re one of those good ones and come back after being awol for 2 weeks the boss might just act like it never happened because he knows he needs you. Thing is it’s also hard to come by bosses like that. When it works it works. I know a friend who used to make 2 grand a week. He eventually stopped working 72 hours a week, down to about 40 and was still making well over 1,000. If that restaurant paid him a salary he’d be making half of that.

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u/Nickadeamus36 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I’ve been a chef for 20 years. Cooked in America, Australia, and New Zealand.

I have never cooked in a place where going awol for more than a day was okay, no matter how good you are, the only time it’s been okay is if you were a cook in a high end place, and were awol because you were in jail. Not a waiter.

Also there is some talent in being a good server, but for the most part owners don’t give a shit about that, only the kitchen does. Because they are the ones affected. The ability to be able to stagger tables, correctly sell specials etc. servers are literally a dime a dozen and the high turnover is expected, and not considered a problem.

Bartenders get away with a giving away the odd free drink, but that’s only because the owners know that a free drink makes the customer looser with their cash and more likely to come back to their “favourite bartender”.

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u/Small_Disk_6082 Jan 15 '22

I worked in the industry most of my adult life, and can say that, in all variations, from high end pp to low pp, great servers and bar staff are typically treated like royalty, and can get away with a whole helluva lot - because they're not a dime-a-dozen.

But shit staff in FOH or BOH get the axe the same way everytime, even if they're a chef with solid creds but suboptimal performance.

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u/thrashgender Jan 15 '22

Some of the servers at my last job would make ~1k in two nights. 10-16 hours a week and making almost double what I made in 60 hours BOH

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u/vinyl608 Jan 15 '22

That was me when I was young. I raked in $$ waiting tables. It wasn’t until my mid 20s until I started thinking about health insurance

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u/ArchyRs Jan 15 '22

I used to be indifferent about our tipping norms, because my parents always tipped reasonably when we ate out. The concept of tipping was something I imbibed, and so any justification to withhold the practice can only be explained by internal reasons. So many contrived arguments confer blame on the food or the service but they are all straw men the same. People who offer those arguments only do so because creeping guilt. They know that they violated an internal understanding about right and wrong.

A less introspective way I think about it though is through accessibility. Older people always talk about how eating out was a rarity for them. Dining out is an expensive alternative in itself and can only be cheap when the costs are passed on…

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u/notjordansime Jan 15 '22

Combine that with the boom/bust nature of the economy aaaannnddd womp womp

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u/childhoodsurvivor Jan 15 '22

It doesn't work when things are going well.

There are two problems with tipping (besides the fact that it is a vestige of slavery, so literal slave wages):

  1. The first is the poverty wages paid since the federal minimum tipped wage is $2.13. Many service workers live below the poverty line.

  2. The second (and often overlooked) issue is the HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT it creates. Tipping leads to great instances of harassment and sexual harassment.

If we actually want robust worker's rights and a living wage in this country then we need to abolish tipping.

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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid Jan 15 '22

I mean it is indentured servitude it arose after slavery

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jan 15 '22

That may be. But have things ever ‘gone well’?

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u/romulusnr Jan 15 '22

It only works when things are going well. Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

That's like saying "meth only works when it doesn't get you addicted"

Tipping exists because of times of struggle and employers decided to take advantage and exploit their workers.

When times got better they kept it that way because that's how the system works -- constant concessions from the vulnerable, never any recompense.

I mean, "when things are going well" why are tips even needed then?

And people talk about "no new normal..."

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u/4BigData Jan 15 '22

Workers should be paid by the business owner directly

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u/AntiWorkAf Jan 15 '22

Or, as the multi-millionaire Jon Taffer states, "a hungry dog is an obedient dog" and then he goes on to say we need to make people hungry to work because apparently lower and middle class people are less than human.

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u/KobeWanGinobli Jan 15 '22

I dunno, I like tips because I’m good at my job and tips really pump up my income. I understand the downside of tip culture but it works in my favor so I don’t hate it. Living wages are nice though, I understand. Fortunately the city I’m in has a rising min. wage that’s still increasing periodically, so that’s a plus.

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u/Nernox Jan 15 '22

Tips could still pump your income with a default living wage.

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u/hbi2k Jan 15 '22

The problem is that variables besides service quality have been shown in studies to have as much or more influence on the size of tips. I don't doubt that you are good at your job, but the fact that two people could be equally good at their job and one could get dramatically more tips than the other due to, say, racial bias on the part of the tipper, is fucked up.

Tipping has to go, and that'll suck for people who make less because of it, but until and unless we can eliminate unconscious biases from human psychology-- good luck with that-- it's an inherently unfair system.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

the problem is that youre having other working class people fund your income when your employer should

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u/CyanOfDoma Jan 15 '22

I understand the downside...but it works in my favor so I don’t hate it

We spend all day every day in this sub pissed at people for this very mentality.

"I understand that workers deserve a higher wage & rights, but the current system works in my favor, so I don't hate it."

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u/nbbiking Jan 15 '22 Helpful

It pits the working class against each other, making a worker responsible for another worker’s living, while the management gets to keep the difference.

One must be a special kind of stupid to find oneself in this sub and support tipping. It’s so fucking obvious

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u/TerraOrdinem Jan 15 '22

This post does exactly that. It blames the customer when all the server's anger should be directed at whoever is profiting the most from their labor.

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u/george_costanza1234 Jan 15 '22

US is completely brainwashed rn. Expecting the middle class to fund other members of the middle class is one of the weirdest norms in this country.

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u/the_real_nps Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

That's why I've always thought tipping was a stupid idea in general. It only works for rich customers. I mean that's how it actually started (according to wiki): "The practice of tipping began in Tudor England. In medieval times, tipping was a master-serf custom wherein a servant would receive extra money for having performed superbly well." And that may have worked. But expecting the middle class and even the poor to pay extra amounts of money on top of what usually already is a significant amount to them is just bonkers. And then laying guilt-trips if someone actually protests against this setup.

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u/dexmonic Jan 15 '22

And people eat it up. It's always been about class. Always. We've had good politicians and we've had bad, but whatever problems they fight or create, it always ends up being about class.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

It is definitely misplaced anger .To take a job that you know will not pay peanuts and have to guilt people into paying your bills .

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u/mapcat Jan 15 '22

Tipping is fucked, but there is no way most servers and bartenders want it to go away. They can easily clear 40+ an hour on solid nights and sometimes far more. No restaurants would offer that much.

That said, I worked as a server and I would have preferred a solid hourly wage because I was stuck on a lot of slow breakfast shifts. And being tipped also just kinda makes me feel like a prostitute

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u/MaxTHC Jan 15 '22

They can easily clear 40+ an hour on solid nights and sometimes far more.

At a fancy restaurant/bar in a gentrified neighborhood? Sure. But if you work at a quiet diner on the outskirts of town, you're making very little in tips. Also, other FOH employees (e.g. bussers) get jack shit from the tip pool.

It infuriates me that those who are lucky enough to work somewhere with good tips are content to fully ignore how shitty the tipping system is to so many fellow workers. Feels very class-traitor-esque to me.

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u/SoftNSquishy Jan 15 '22

This, exactly this. Servers should be supportive of each other, and all should back wage reform to make tipping a bonus instead of a necessity. But sadly, the class war is alive and well in American culture and having each other's backs is getting so rare these days in a lot of circles.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I work for a steel union. We are all prostitutes.

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u/george_costanza1234 Jan 15 '22

Tipping itself doesn’t need to go away. The expectation of it is what needs to go away.

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u/Tel-aran-rhiod Jan 15 '22

I was about to upvote and agree with you, but there is nothing wrong at all with being a prostitute. Sex work is work

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u/mapcat Jan 15 '22

Yeah I didn’t mean it like that. If they enjoy it, all power to them. But personally, sex work would make me feel like shit about myself

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u/drytiger Jan 15 '22

I would bet you that there are lots of people on this sub who support tipping, and the vast majority of them depend on tips.

The vast majority of people I know who are dependent on tips believe they are entitled to them.

I agree with you that tipping is a fucked up norm, but you will never reason people out of their short-term self interest.

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u/bashup2016 Jan 15 '22

You’re right that there are plenty of people here that depend on tips. There’s nothing wrong with being awesome at your job. It doesn’t mean we agree with it. I’ve been personally threatened for floating the idea of unionization in the restaurant industry.

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u/ShirtStainedBird Jan 15 '22

What like asking politicians to approve a huge pay cut in the form of no more stock trading?

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u/RavenWolfPS2 Jan 15 '22

The vast majority of people I know who are dependent on tips believe they are entitled to them.

r/doordash_drivers anyone?

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u/nbbiking Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Yeah I remembered the demographic of this sub after my comment.

But even then, expecting for tipping to stay as the norm is hypocritical.

  1. This post is publicly shaming a customer who didn’t pay a tip, which clearly then implies that the op and those in support expect everyone to tip.

  2. My understanding was that this sub was meant to be a community of working people interested in engaging in some sort of discussion or mass mobilization relating to workers rights issues and empowerment of the working class.

  3. Then, r/antiwork participants at the receiving end of tips (probably the majority of the people here) supporting OP and criticizing other working class people who earn more than them, for not tipping waiters (them), is nothing but hypocrisy. It’s literally, “we’re both working class, but because you earn more than me, you’re my enemy if you refuse to tip”. People are drawing a line between themselves and anyone who earns more than them. That’s 100% against the spirit of this sub. It’s working class vs the super rich, not the lower class vs lower middle or middle or upper middle class. “You must tip even though by doing so you’ll be helping sustaining this unethical and exploitative system, because it’ll benefit me too in the short run”. You can’t have it both ways.

Tipping is fine. But r/antiwork sub expecting everyone to tip and shaming those who don’t is hypocrisy.

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u/darkshrike Jan 15 '22

Agree. Tipping is a Jim Crow era holdout. It needs to go. The REAL problem is asshole patrons who want to dangle the tip as a "reward" for good service. Seemingly ignorant of the fact that in some states tipped employees make less than 3.00 minimum wage.

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u/ArrowheadDZ Jan 15 '22

Exactly this. Post after post after post after post after post after post blames and shames the restaurant patron who didn’t tip. ANY time someone posts “yeh, but the tipping culture is just a cost shift away from the owner” usually gets hammered unrelentingly with downvotes. You stated the actual problem perfectly though, this is the best wording I have seen on this topic.

The person responsible for developing a brand experiencing, and motivating their employees to deliver that brand experience, is the business owner. The idea of crowd-sourcing your own company’s brand expectations to the public instead of taking responsibility for it yourself… It is one of those things where once you actually say it out loud, the absurdity of it becomes obvious.

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u/TinyShoes91 Jan 15 '22

Reading all the American takes in the top thread is mind boggling, shits fucked on a whole other level.

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u/Entire-Ambition1410 Jan 15 '22

An an American, I consider tips as part of the bill, like tax.

Like you said, surviving on tips sucks.

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u/PoIIux Jan 15 '22

That's another fucked thing about the US: why the fuck are all prices pre-tax

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u/Ballbag94 Jan 15 '22

According to Americans I've asked before, it's because the tax differs by state so instead of a nationwide company bothering to make different adverts/pricing info for each state they operate in they just put the price of their goods and then then the consumers add the tax of whatever state they're in. They told me it was easier for the companies that way

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u/zenchemin Jan 15 '22

And it's such a bullshit excuse. It's completely made up and based on assumptions that every other country's system can prove wrong with a cursory glance.

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u/BasicLEDGrow Jan 15 '22

I never tip but I can't think of anything I buy where tipping is customary. Fuck the service industry, I'm servicing myself.

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u/TomFoolery22 Jan 15 '22

It's never going to change if you engage with it.

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u/ConstructionOther686 Jan 15 '22

How does it make sense that two tables get the same exact thing and it’s up to them if they want to pay $77 or $100 for it?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

It's up to everyone. Just cause someone saved up to eat out doesn't automatically mean they can afford to pay gratuity. They aren't obligated to do so. If they were, it would be on the receipt, not a choice given to them.

Eating out is a rare treat some people give themselves. They do it to keep their morale high and feel independent; and like they're a part of greater society. It's as much for their mental health as it is for sustainance. Most people can eat more (better, in some cases) for less money spent at home, and rent a movie to go with it.

And for people who just refuse to tip, well... choices are choices. They get to make theirs.

They didn't choose your job for you, so you don't get to choose how they spend their money.

$23 for taking an order, bringing out food, and acting fake nice (evidenced by the OP's post)? I'm completely over that.

This is why I don't tip anymore. And if I do maybe it's a dollar or two after I've had an amazing day.

I do think tipping needs to go away and minimum wage should be paid for those jobs, at least. But I'm not going to bleed money simply because I can empathize.

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u/The_CaliBrownBear Jan 15 '22

I prefer Japan's tipping system. If you know, you know.

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u/Parad0xurus Jan 15 '22

Yes! Non existent!

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u/RozzyStripe Jan 15 '22

Fuck yeah!

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

I'm Canadian; the tipping culture is similar. What bothers me is what I call the “good-looking girl” subsidy. These are waiting jobs at chic spots where the waitresses bring in 6 figure tips per year (before they become real estate agents), more or less for being hot. I'd rather the tips are for those that need them.

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u/qvaken Jan 15 '22

Well, you just highlighted another problem with tipping culture. It makes it impossible for workers to be paid equitably.

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u/CJLB Jan 15 '22

I always hated working kitchens because I felt like I was working twice as hard as the servers for less than half the money. Then I tried serving for a few years and realized I just hate the service industry in general. But at least the bump in pay from serving quickly earned me enough money to go to trade college.

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

The hypocrisy suck. At least you took advantage of it to move forward in your life. For the record, serving can be challenging. The job that’s pretty cruisy and fun IMO, except maybe Friday/ Saturday night when your swamped, is being the bartender.

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u/Drift_Life Jan 15 '22

Also, hot girls aren’t hot forever

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u/rockdoc21 Jan 15 '22

Cactus Club?🤣

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

Yep, I'm from Edmonton originally and 100% both of these spots.

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u/TRU35T0RY Jan 15 '22

Can confirm I'm from edmonton also. A friend used to date one (still might be) but around the time they met he would brag about her being balling and paying for shit. I found out she was a waitress and it blew my mind.

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

Oh yeah, those girls are 100% ballers. I was pointing out in another reply, loads of them ars super cool too. Just taking advantage of a systematic opportunity, it's not like they created it... There's a perverse demand, for the attention of attractive people.

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u/judithishere Jan 15 '22

Someone in my family works at Joey in the US and it's exactly the same there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Friend of mine worked a bar in Montreal, compared her job to stripping with just some more clothes on.

The obvious downside I'll leave to your imagination.

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

I had an Australian GF years back, and she came and visited me in Edmonton. In Australia, they pay servers a solid wage, and there is no tipping. She was appalled by the tipping culture. She brought up the whole prostituting themselves argument. Part of that was her seeing some of my guy friends doing the honoured douchy married guy tradition of flirting with the waitress and her flirty right back (for tips.) Sometimes it takes the eyes of a foreigner to really see how weird and appalling a custom is.

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u/nujuat Jan 15 '22

As an Australian I'm worried that typing culture is starting to creep in with American run delivery services etc. Here, tipping is for when someone does a particularly good job at something. Like we tipped our movers a lot since they were really quick and helpful. But you assume they're going to be paid enough without it.

I feel this is problematic with delivery services since you're expecting a reward for exceptional work that isn't done yet. And then if you don't tip and they happen to do good work then you can't go back and do it after the fact (ie how it's supposed to work).

I guess the other thing here is that all tax is declared when you buy something, so here hidden charges generally isn't a thing. And keep in mind, things are a lot more expensive here than in the USA because we have better wages and no hidden charges to bump up the price.

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u/Superest22 Jan 15 '22

Agreed - I HATE that stupid 'add a tip for your driver' on uber etc. Never doing that.

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u/DrakkoZW Jan 15 '22

I feel this is problematic with delivery services since you're expecting a reward for exceptional work that isn't done yet.

Also, delivery isn't a service that often warrants going above and beyond, so there's very little reason to tip. I don't know how to rate a delivery other than pass/fail, and that's not a healthy way to handle tips

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u/vurjin_oce Jan 15 '22

Yea I saw a picture of a maccers in America that had a pile of food for door dash deliveries that weren't going to get pocked up because none of the jobs paid a tip upfront. So insane.

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u/kyliequokka Jan 15 '22

Solid wage can be $28/hour for casual serving here in Australia. Tipping is a disgusting custom.

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

I liked how professional much of the waiting staff were in restaurants and hotels. It was their vocation.

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u/JradM01 Jan 15 '22

As an Australian who has visited both America and Canada twice, your tipping culture is utter bullshit. People removing your luggage from the back of a taxi and expect a tip, waitresses literally taking the food from the kitchen and putting on your table expecting a tip. It's crazy. In Australia we would tip if the staff went OVER and ABOVE their normal duties, but even then I can't remember the last time I've tipped anyone. It's just implied that your job is to wait tables, drive taxis, clean and anything thing you do in that job is covered by your wage, not paid for by the customer who's already paid for services rendered.

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u/cookiemonstah87 Jan 15 '22

That's how it SHOULD be here... I hate that businesses have been able to offload paying their staff onto customers for so long. Then they'll try to say raising minimum wage would mean they have to increase prices. How so? We already pay your staff more than you do!

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u/JradM01 Jan 15 '22

Exactly. And you would find the increased price for the service probably wouldn't come close to the amount each customer is forced to tip. I remember being FORCED to pay 20% tip of the bill because it was standard and if I enjoyed the service I could tip more. I asked if the chef's got a % of the tips and was told no. To me, the food is what I came to the restaurant for, not the service so that's what I'd be tipping for.

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u/ezSpankOven Jan 15 '22

Yeah and if you go in to the restaurant, don't give the waitress the time of day after she trys to initiate her flirty routine just watch the quality of service go into the toilet when she realizes she's not batting her eyes into a fat tip.

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u/Tel-aran-rhiod Jan 15 '22

I really wish people on this sub would stop using the word prostitute in a derogatory way. Sex work is work, show some solidarity

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u/acb1971 Jan 15 '22

I had a friend that paid for her bachelor's degree waitressing two nights a week at a nightclub. She is very beautiful. She spent her summers traveling.

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u/Sunni-Bunni Jan 15 '22

The thing that bothers me is that Alberta (my province) has been paying waitresses/waiters $15/hr for years now but it's still expected to tip 15-20%. I'll still tip if I receive above average service, but I genuinely don't understand why it's still expected. I guess it's just ingrained in our society now regardless of how much they make per hour.

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u/Artuhanzo Jan 15 '22

The tipping is crazier here in Canada now..

People are expecting same % as US, but unlike US waitresses are at least min. pay job.Used to be 10%, but now all the default is at least 15% tips.

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u/AlexiLaIas Jan 15 '22

“Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up”

Wait staff pretty much think 20% is the new minimum. The system is cancer.

Also, Canada pays $15 HR plus 15-20% tips? Phew. Any moderately attractive woman working in food service must be living a 5 star lifestyle.

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u/Artuhanzo Jan 15 '22

Not all, speaking of that. Explains why waiters at restaurants like Cactus are all young woman..

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u/p00ty916 Jan 15 '22

15 to 20% is pretty standard in California.

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

That's what it is here in Toronto - 15 to 20%. A pet peeve is how they try to sneak tips in all over the place now - subways, star bucks, etc.

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u/Shalashaskaska Jan 15 '22

I draw the line there. If it’s any kind of fast food establishment you can shove a tip up your ass. I’m not paying extra to watch you hand me my fuckin food at the counter.

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u/canneverbehappy Jan 15 '22

Yes bro a lot of girls I know that are hot are actually waitresses and they make like 50 to 75 grand a year working at like WingHouse and twin peaks. Madness

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u/HeartbreakAnd808z Jan 15 '22

I went out with my roommates to a restaurant, where our waiter was a good looking guy. One of my roommates said she never tips, but she’ll tip him because he’s cute.

An attractive woman downtown probably makes a killing

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u/CreatedSole Jan 16 '22

That's what hooters is based on

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u/thrashgender Jan 15 '22

It varies by location, but admittedly attractiveness isn’t as much of a job stopper as it’s made out to be in serving. My last restaurant had its share of beautiful women making bank, but honestly 8/10 of the top performers in FOH were far from “conventionally attractive” they were just super fuckin good at their jobs

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u/Anxious-Sir-1361 Jan 15 '22

I like hearing the last part. I like the idea of working hard, be rewarded. Though they should do like places like Australia/ NZ did a long time ago... pay them all a decent wage, to begin with.

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u/thrashgender Jan 15 '22

Agreed. It just leads to the less than perfect employees getting fucked with slow shifts and sections, and having to work harder and more often to make enough to live

Plus side is the longer you’re at work the less time you have to spend money elsewhere :)

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u/CancerIBC Jan 15 '22

You can also be attractive but highly introverted and not bubbly. Reserved non-bubbly individuals won’t make good tips no matter how attractive because the personality just isn’t right for the job of waitress and some don’t like to act a fake happy so might not smile very much… so some just don’t have the waitressy personality that would result in good tips

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u/penislovereater Jan 15 '22

You get tipped less for being ugly, ethnic minority, old, male, too short, "non-traditional". You are forced to fake being "upbeat" regardless of your mood (a kind of emotional prostitution). You need to put up with casual racism, sexism, harrassment. In essence you have no real protection from the everyday bigotry of customers, all while doing emotional labour that leaves you drained and exhausted.

The job is taking orders and bringing food to the table. How did it become this?

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u/Christ_votes_dem Jan 15 '22

Its people getting tipped a lot that fight to keep it in place and against raising min wage

Class traitors really

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u/Pocketfullofbugs Jan 15 '22

I'm always so divided on it. When I was a server I made more with tips than they would ever dream of paying me. That said, if I could have made the same money and have a constant steady income it would have been preferable.

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u/steffanovici Jan 15 '22

Pay your staff a fucking wage

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u/TotalSpiritual2286 Jan 15 '22

I remembered once my family ate at Nobu's in NY and we tipped 20% but the waitress gave us a dirty look. Like FOH you entitled POS. Tipping is a privilege, not an entitlement.

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u/Pastlife123 Jan 15 '22

When the hell did 20% become the norm? It used to be that anything above 10% was a solid tip. Now, you tip less than 20% and you get accused of being. Abad tipper.

Plus, why do some many pick up only places prompt you for a tip on a screen where you have to select “Other” then 0.

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u/ChainGang-lia Jan 15 '22

And they make it huge on the screen to shame you into it when others are in line behind you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Tipping culture is cancer

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u/AlteredStatesOf Jan 15 '22

Anyone other than servers and the employers hate it. The servers make far more money with tips than if they'd get $15 an hour or something

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u/ButterballBiscuitBoy Jan 15 '22

But also. 70 on a meal isn’t broke by any standards. You’re absolutely right tho

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u/Parad0xurus Jan 15 '22

Same happens to me I got a fck ton of down votes because I didn't agree on the "mandatory" tipping culture. It's the same reason I don't tip so easily unless they go beyond the job. We aren't responsible for their wages this has got to stop

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u/zSxnc Jan 15 '22

Don't be so hard on Cancer, it shouldn't be compared with america, who's way worse.

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u/dinkum_flicka Jan 15 '22

This is the real issue here

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u/jonnytechno Jan 15 '22

I know right, it's either optional or its not but shaming people is not they way, this is the employers fault alone just add it into the price and pay your staff properly

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u/Willing_Jury_3869 Jan 15 '22

Are you suggesting we get rid of tipping altogether? Bc I agree

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u/icyhotonmynuts Jan 15 '22

Nowhere else but North America is tipping a thing. I went to Japan and tried to leave a tip at a restaurant. The waitress chased after me in the street to return my tip.

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u/Jim_from_snowy_river Jan 15 '22

American wage slavery is cancer. We wouldn't have to tip if they got paid well

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u/Prestigious_Main_364 Jan 15 '22

It’s fucking stupid, I shouldn’t be responsible for your living wage. You should be paid fairly by your employer not by me, in fact I expect the cost of service to be included in the overall cost. If I’m going to a restaurant I’m paying for all the stuff that the restaurant provides me. I still too because it’s America but it’s fucking ludicrous

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u/hippymule Jan 15 '22

American everything is pretty cancer lately.

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u/Dank_memerlord_42069 Jan 15 '22

I don’t even live in the US and it pisses me off. I don’t know what pisses me off more, the fact that employers are allowed to do this in the first place or the fact that everyone is just fucking okay with it.

Not to mention the servers love to bitch about people not tipping, but when you bring up changing things so they get a better wage instead of tips they immediately start back peddling because they know they make more money than they deserve due to tips.

Just nothing but greed all around. Fuck required tipping culture.

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u/Rishandir Jan 15 '22

Yeah. Had to listen to a door dash hiring ad on Spotify and one of the perks they mentioned was being able to keep all of your tips. Like "isn't it so generous that we're not taking a cut of your tip money that we already have you depend on to survive?" It's not the boast they try to act like it is.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Waitstaff being paid so little that they have to count on customers tipping them just to get by is what's cancerous. I'd just as soon they raise the prices and the wages and therefore I wouldn't see the need to tip waitstaff.

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u/derdopd Jan 15 '22

reddit: tipping is bad and should be abolished

also reddit: how dare you not tip me

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u/spudd3rs Jan 15 '22

It is t right how Americans have to rely on tips for proper wages but they also need to remember that tips are optional… you guys shouldn’t act shitty when you don’t get anything.

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u/OhScheisse Jan 15 '22

Agreed. It divides the working class.

It tricks on side that the other is robbing their wages when capitalist greed is the true culprit.

I still tip, but let's not blame the working class. Sure this guy sucks for not tipping but he isn't a big of a monster as the person lowballing their workers

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u/kingpaige Jan 15 '22

Literally! The problem isn’t even this customer - it’s that (like everything else in the US) we’re holding onto an antiquated system of extremely low wage servitude where restaurant workers are paid abysmally low wages far beneath the already too low minimum wage, and therefore must rely on the gratitude of strangers to make ends meet. It’s a wonder restaurant workers don’t have an uprising. And before anyone says “we can’t raise the wages bc patrons wouldn’t pay higher prices”, stop it. Stop making excuses. Yes they would.

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u/Outrageous-Tiger-767 Jan 15 '22

Tip shaming is a cancer. Bad karma shaming people who can’t afford tips. They act like it is guaranteed now and not based on a variety of variables like service, personal financial situations, etc.

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u/SPACEmAnDREWISH Jan 15 '22

As a line cook, I couldn't agree more. I want out of this industry more than anything in life atm.

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u/JiuJitsuMagic Jan 15 '22

It’s getting worse, also. Went through a drive-through the other day, when I was paying they asked me if I wanted to add a tip. The audacity to directly ask that was maddening.

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u/capt-potzdorf Jan 15 '22

America is a cancer

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u/CyanOfDoma Jan 15 '22

Humanity is a cancer

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