r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/CoralMarcs Jan 15 '22 Helpful

Ah, the old 1% turning the rest of us against each other trick. It shouldn’t matter if you’re able to afford tipping or not because the menu should just be honest about what things actually should cost. Restaurant owners don’t want that though.

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u/The___canadian Jan 15 '22

Exactly.

Of you're a sit down restaurant, charge me more for my fucking food and pay your staff properly.

Don't make me play this stupid fucking guessing game of "oh boy! What do I pay them today?!" Fuck off. No tips, pay everyone more, charge me more.

Don't make me guess how much I should pay so the staff can eat ramen that night.

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u/chaoseincarnate Jan 15 '22

That's the fucking thing! I was told I'm an asshole for not tipping 20% I WAS IN SPECIAL ED MATH I CANT FUCKING DO THIS SHIT MOST STUFF HAS AN AUTO % CALCULATOR AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN 20% AS AN OPTION NOR CAN I DO THE MATH

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u/koboldfightclub Jan 15 '22

Easy: $2 tip for every $10 you spent.

$45 for two meals? 2 for every $10 = $8, round up to $9 or $10 since the meal cost more than an even $40.

$60 for a good date night? 6 x$2 = $12

Hold up fingers and skip count by twos if you need to, and fuck anyone who wants to shame you for it.

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u/blackhand_13 Jan 15 '22

do you not have calculator on your phone?

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u/Christofsky3 Jan 15 '22

Divide by 10 then times by 2

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u/death_by_sushi Jan 15 '22

Or, more simply, move the decimal over one digit to the left and then double that amount = 20%

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u/chaoseincarnate Jan 15 '22

Cool cool... HUH?

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u/quite_loud_mouth Jan 15 '22

X ÷ 10 =Y Y X 2 = 20%

X = BILL TOTAL Y = TIP PERCENTAGE

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u/chaoseincarnate Jan 15 '22

YOURE NOT HELPING WTF IS THIS

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u/quite_loud_mouth Jan 15 '22

Simple algebra 🤷‍♀️ to work out 20% tip. Divide the total bill by 100 (for example £24.00 will be £2.40) then times that by 2 (£2.40 X 2 = £4.80) then add that to the original bill (£24.00 + £4.80 = £28.80 ) so that's what you pay them. Although as you can probably tell by the £ signs, I live in the UK and you have to earn that tip 😂🤙

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u/chaoseincarnate Jan 15 '22

IM NOT EGYPTIAN I CANT READ THIS SHIT

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u/Christofsky3 Jan 15 '22

GIVE ME 👆YOUR 👇MONEY 💵TO MAKE YOU HAPPY 😊

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u/CapJackONeill Jan 15 '22

God damn boi, there's special Ed and "really special Ed"

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u/SunflowerOccultist Jan 15 '22

Ok imma teach you something. Move the decimal one space over to the left. So 77.90 is 7.79 and that’s 10%, round to the nearest whole number which is $8 then double so $16

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u/gxphoto Jan 15 '22

easiest way i know to calculate 20% ^

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u/dancingpianofairy Jan 15 '22

charge me more

Uh, no. They can just not profit so goddamned much.

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u/The___canadian Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

the counter to that is most restaurants operate on very thin margins, its why i mentioned the "charge me" as they can mitigate the cost through price restructuring of their items.

i.e an order of fries is far cheaper to make than a steak. 10lb a bag and many standard serving sizes consist of actually 1-3potatos. So these items would probably go up in price differently, instead of using a flat 10% across the board.

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u/BrandSpankingNew0069 Jan 15 '22

You know that restaurants have low margins right? The restaurant industry is very competitive asking a restaurant to take in 20% less revenue while spending the same amount of money is a sure fire way to bankrupt even high end restaurants. Unless your eating at one of those places that put gold on the food or something the margins aren’t high enough to lower the prices by that extent.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Feb 12 '22

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u/BrandSpankingNew0069 Jan 15 '22

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+States&country2=Germany

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposable_household_and_per_capita_income#Median

While it’s true that restaurant prices are 12.8% lower in Germany the median Americans takes home 36.64% more post tax disposable income. Making restaurants more affordable for Americans.

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u/dontstealmypenguin Jan 15 '22

Does that 12.8% lower figure factor in the fact that you don't tip I'm Germany but do in the US?

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u/dancingpianofairy Jan 15 '22

Someone else mentioned profit margins, too. The places I worked food service were, and still are, absolutely rolling in it. To be fair they weren't restaurants, per se. But okay, charge me more then! Tipping sucks.

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

I mostly agree, except there’s no way in hell I’d deal with the customers I deal with for $15/hr. The amount of hours I work compared to what I make is usually over $30/ hr and there’s no way in hell any restaurant owner is paying their servers that much even with a 20% mark up in food costs. I don’t know what the answer is but it isn’t simple.

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u/greg0714 Jan 15 '22

The answer is simple. The owner pays you $15 per hour. Tipping becomes optional. You now get 0-15% tips on a bill instead of 0-30%. You get tipped when people like your service, and if you're having a bad day, you don't also lose so much money that you have to starve yourself to pay rent. You still get $30/hr with tips, but I get to see honest prices on a menu.

Edit: And then my generosity is also actually generosity and not me as a customer carrying the burden of ensuring that you don't starve or get evicted.

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u/AlexiLaIas Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22 Silver

Not to shit on you, but people all across the country work in awful customer facing positions where there is little to zero expectation of a tip. Often, for much less money than $15 an hour.

Are you waitstaff or a bartender? Please explain what is unusually difficult about your position? People that work at McDonald’s seem to work in a more high intensity environment, where they must deal with the same difficult customers, they must PREPARE AND deliver the food extremely fast or be met with instant customer hostility, and they do not get 20%+ (on $50-$200 bills) to walk the food from the kitchen to the dining table.

I really don’t understand what is uniquely difficult about working in a restaurant as opposed to working in fast food service. You mean you have to deal with people who could be wackadoos, but you turn your nose up at it for $15 an hour when millions of people do it for less?

To be frank, saying “hi” with a not negative attitude, asking “do you need anything?” right at the moment I take a deep mouthful bite into my food, maybe walking a glass of water to my table, and then be invisible for the next 33 minutes before delivering the check and chasing me outside the establishment unless I pay 27% on the post tax bill is not exactly a heavy work burden.

Tip culture is toxic AF. Don’t support it just because it gives you a unique entitlement to more in wages than other people in food service.

Not to mention, if you’re a moderately attractive woman, all you have to do is smile and make idle talk for 45 seconds per customer and you can end every night walking out of a bar/restaurant with $500+ in untaxed tips from heavy tipping middle aged simps.

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u/fatcootermeat Jan 15 '22

Simple, they don't want it to change. People preach principles, ethics, and "I just want everyone to be able to afford their basic needs" BS on this sub all the time,, but 9 time out of 10 people are just gonna chase the cash when it's an opportunity, class consciousness be damned. Dining establishments would not be sustainable business models in this country if the positions went to salary pay and tipping was banned.

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u/ForeverOk8661 Jan 15 '22

Dining establishments would not be sustainable business models in this country if the positions went to salary pay and tipping was banned.

… And I’m at peace with that.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

Tipping is a prime example of this: this sub is really out here saying they’d rather pay restaurant owners and executives to trickle down to low skilled workers. It’s kind of shocking that everyone here supports paying workers more until they have to do the paying.

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

Ok wow you are shitting on me. You are implying that I’ve said things that I haven’t. I’m a server and I never said anything was difficult, it’s just that I’m not treated as an equal person, more like a servant. You have also not described correctly what I do for people. This will be my last response to you because you clearly don’t understand and have been completely disrespectful.

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u/SlapMyCHOP Jan 15 '22

You have also not described correctly what I do for people.

This is a discussion about the aggregate server and tipping issue. The things that person outlined are things that happen. Unfortunately that means in a discussion you have to address them.

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

Nothing that this person described is close to anything I do. My customers’ drinks are never empty with no need to ask, all of their needs are met and more, and I’m never away from their table for more than a couple minutes if that. I don’t chase anyone out and have many regular customers who request my services.

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u/SlapMyCHOP Jan 15 '22

Right, but you still have to approach these discussions from an aggregate perspective. Meaning all server experiences. There are undoubtedly people like the person above you described and they have a legitimate grievance against the system that enables that.

What you're saying is akin to me saying "I am never a skeezy lawyer, so we dont need to talk about anybody that is because I dont do it."

See how it's flawed?

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

Ok well because I’m a measley server I’m not allowed to be proud of the work I do because I know I do it well?? Also this person is comparing me to someone who supports slavery and child labor. That’s fucked.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

This sub is really trying to say servers are low skilled workers who don’t deserve to make more, it blows my mind.

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u/AlexiLaIas Jan 15 '22

Yeah sorry, I just have an extreme hostility to tip culture and people who work in the industry who defend it.

As per your request, I’ll stop.

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u/stayongo Jan 15 '22

They got more money through tips then wage, why wouldn’t they support that?

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u/AlexiLaIas Jan 15 '22

Because supporting a system that is wrong just because you personally benefit from it is wrong.

You might as well support slavery or child labor because then it would mean your clothes and goods would be slightly cheaper. You would benefit from it, so based on your logic, you should support It unashamedly, correct?

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u/stayongo Jan 15 '22

That makes no sense, are you a kid? Yes they want to be better compensated for their work, so most probably prefer tipping.

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u/AlexiLaIas Jan 15 '22

Are you a troll?

People can operate based on something beyond pure selfish greed and self interest. I support universal healthcare, subsidized childcare, higher minimum wages, and housing assistance for the homeless.

That costs money, money that is paid in my taxes, which lowers my take home pay. I am willing to lower my take home pay so that other people in my community can live decently. I support a system that is more decent even though it means less money in my pocket.

Yes, some of us are able to live for something more than self interest and greed. To advocate for something better other than the system that gives MEMEMEMEME ALL THE TREATS SO IT SHOULD NEVER CHANGE. I invite you to do the same.

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

Thanks for the support u/stayongo, I’d like to hear the real Alexi Lalas’ opinion.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

So you’re saying that servers are low skilled workers and don’t deserve more pay? And then you’re saying it’s a problem because women make more? Jesus this sub turns hard alt-right when it comes to tipping.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

Didn't seem like that all. Seems more like they said the person they replied to has a job no harder than any other service job but is pretebding jts harder then others to get more charity money.

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u/astral_distress Jan 15 '22

Isn’t 20% pretty standard though? I just go into places intending to pay 20% more than my food/ service- but I live somewhere without sales tax, so I guess the total is more predictable?

Not to say I don’t support paying people better wages (or even just- a fucking living wage), but figuring it out hasn’t been the frustrating part where I’m at.

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u/RusstyDog Jan 15 '22

Then just make the meal 20% more expensive. Problem solved.

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u/stayongo Jan 15 '22

10% of that that would reach the server

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u/astral_distress Jan 15 '22

Fully agreed, just not seeing the math as part of the problem. My parents still try to operate on the 10% to 15% based on “whether the service is good”, & I’m working on converting them to a “20% no matter what” attitude- add more if you want to, but don’t fuck with people’s basic income.

My state pays regular wages plus tips (I made $15 an hour as a server when getting thru grad school), but I come from a state where it was $2.80 or something ridiculous & depended on tips to subsidize wages.

Obviously this shit doesn’t work because it depends on basic human decency & a system that works to begin with, but it feels like shit is irreparably broken- people can’t handle a slight rise in prices without going into a frenzy.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

So you’d rather give 20% more to the owners and executives and hope that it trickles down to the workers.

Do you really think Darden execs aren’t going to keep that for themselves?

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u/RusstyDog Jan 15 '22

They will when no servers are willing to work for them without tips coming in.

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u/cowboys5xsbs Jan 15 '22

It's always going up it used to be 10 then 15 now 20 and pretty soon it will be 25

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u/meghammatime19 Jan 15 '22

Same. I always do standard 20%, unless I feel the service was genuinely cheap for what it was and so then I tip even more.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

I’d rather pay workers, not owners. If restaurants raised their prices “to pay workers more” you can be certain that a healthy amount of that is going to owners and management.

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u/ffiarpg Jan 15 '22

And then someone is willing to accept the previous amount of profit or something closer to it and undercuts them and gets more business. That repeats until we are back where we are now. Just because money moves in a different way doesn't mean someone is going to skim more of it.

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u/ausbrothbabe Jan 15 '22

But that is literally what the rest of the world does and doesn't account for the fact that there are a lot of assholes that wont/don't tip.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

And on average American servers make significantly more money.

Even in places with a minimum wage of $15 an hour, a server at a moderately busy restaurant can make triple that. I don’t think Olive Garden is going to pay servers that much, and I’d rather me give my money to the server than to some Darden Foods executives and hope they do the right thing.

Honestly it’s really funny how this sub claims to support workers until it’s time for them to put up some money for a tip, then they’d rather it go to the 1% and trickle down to the workers.

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u/ausbrothbabe Jan 15 '22

In Australia, minimum wage is around $20. I was getting paid $24 working at a nice Cafe. I still got tips, on top of my living wage, which averaged around a couple extra hundred a week depending on my shifts and even more so if I worked a private event there.

It meant that if it was quiet, I was still paid. If there's an economic depression, I was still paid. If I was sick, I was still paid. If I wasn't feeling the best and giving below average service, I was still paid. It meant I knew that, at a minimum, I was always able to pay rent and other essentials comfortably. It's wild to me you don't think it's the employers responsibility to make sure their workers can live comfortably.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

And on average American servers make significantly more money.

Even in places with a minimum wage of $15 an hour, a server at a moderately busy restaurant can make triple that. I don’t think Olive Garden is going to pay servers that much, and I’d rather me give my money to the server than to some Darden Foods executives and hope they do the right thing.

Do why would sombody who busts ass at manual labor for shit pay all day feel compelled to donate when you already make so much?

Honestly it’s really funny how this sub claims to support workers until it’s time for them to put up some money for a tip, then they’d rather it go to the 1% and trickle down to the workers.

Its funny how you think nlt supportong one type of worker extortong consumers out of cash while refusing to unionize and holding other servers hostage isnt antiworker. Typical greedy ass American viewpoint. 1 percent can get eaten. You jjst wanna strawman to feel good about guiltily people into funding you

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

Who would you rather give money to, workers directly or executives to trickle down and pay more?

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

Trickle down is a myth. I want only worker cooperatives. So the workers. But not individually because the coop is a joint a effort. All employees should have equal say in jts running and distribution of wealth.

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u/Mrchristopherrr Jan 15 '22

Ok, cool, but outside of hippie coffee shops that’s not the case really. So, in the current system, would you feel more comfortable giving money directly to the server, or to the owner in the hopes that they give it to the server?

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

Ok, cool, but outside of hippie coffee shops that’s not the case really

Because people don't pursue and rather pursue short term gain such as tips than helping everyone by cooping.

So, in the current system, would you feel more comfortable giving money directly to the server, or to the owner in the hopes that they give it to the server?

Neither. You should demand a living wage and start forming a coop.

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

Thank you. People are downvoting me for exactly what you’re saying. You’ll probably see the same.

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u/toddhold Jan 15 '22

Bingo!!!

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u/Dappershield Jan 15 '22

Servers aren't needed for sit down dining, so they'll be first to go when the restaurant needs profit.

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u/musicmanxv Jan 15 '22

It's not even that they can't afford to pay their staff, it's that they are unwilling. If they paid their staff a living wage, then they'd have no extra money to buy useless materialism. That would make them a bad American Capitalist. And everyone knows if you're not a good little capitalist, then you're a filthy commie concerned about the welfare of others over money and that isn't the American way, and kills the American dream. Y'know, freedom and money and invading other countries for their natural resources.

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u/Educational_Shoober Jan 15 '22

Imagine if other places started doing that.

"Yeah I know the Xbox series s is advertised at $300, but you should really pay $360 or you're an asshole who doesn't care if the GameStop employee gets paid."

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u/wggn Jan 15 '22

it's already like that tho? since tax is not included in the listed price.

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u/jszly Jan 15 '22

I’m so glad most of these comments are on this level actually.

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u/freecraghack Jan 15 '22

Service workers are fighting harder than restaurant owners to keep status quo, because their avg wage is several times that of other similar labour and they try their best to keep quiet about it

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u/smenti Jan 15 '22

I don’t think there are many 1%er restaurant owners.

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

Shhh! The propaganda I saw in 2013 needs to be true for me to continue participating in politics.

/s

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u/slator_hardin Jan 15 '22

Fucking hell, no. Stop shrugging away any semblance of personal responsibility. I fully agree that a system where the customer can opt out of paying the worker that attended them is shit. And that we should change the system.

Still, if you opt out you are an asshole. You are essentially saying "I will screw you over because I am legally allowed to". And spare me the "menus should be honest" nonsense. If you are raised in the US, how difficult can be to add 20% to a price? Can you seriously argue that at this point there are people who don't know that if you don't tip, you essentially forced somebody to work for you for free?

If you are so privileged that you never had to work retail or waiting tables, and thus don't know how exploitative, cheap and heartless a lot of middle class people can be, better for you. But don't fucking accuse somebody who was just screwed over to "trying to turn us against each other" just because he notices how many customers can be truly psychopaths with personnel

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u/bmk37 Jan 15 '22

Calculating 20% is sooooo haaaarrrd, right?

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u/HistoriaBestGirl Jan 15 '22

this is turning the working class against the working class. The issue is the owner not paying the waitstaff a fair wage

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u/bmk37 Jan 15 '22

No it’s not. The person that the post is about knew that they were responsible for paying the server, they knew throughout the entire meal that they were going to be stiffing the server, but they proceeded anyway. Don’t take away the blame from this person. What they did is wrong.

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u/HistoriaBestGirl Jan 15 '22

They literally wrote that they couldn't afford to

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u/bmk37 Jan 15 '22

Do you realize that changes none of the facts that I laid out? They had no problem paying nearly $80 for their meal, they should have chosen a less expensive restaurant where they could afford gratuity rather than selfishly taking food out of the server’s mouth to indulge in a luxury they evidently can’t afford. The customer here did a terrible thing, it needs to be acknowledged.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

They had no problem paying nearly $80 for their meal, they should have chosen a less expensive restaurant where they could afford gratuity rather than selfishly taking food out of the server’s mouth

You shoulda chose a better job or UNIONIZED. Its not others problem that you dont wanna demand a stable pay tk keep making random extra amounts.

to indulge in a luxury they evidently can’t afford.

But they afforded it. Jjst not your donation.

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u/bmk37 Jan 16 '22

Everyone in the US knows that servers live on tips, including the customer who left the note. Not tipping is on them, not the server who did their job.

Gratuity is not a donation, and someone who can’t afford an extra 20% to pay the person who served them throughout their meal, someone who is admittedly “broke”, is in no position to be eating out. Eat at home and save up if you’re broke. It’s called being financially responsible.

Serving is a great job, though it does get irritating having to endure the rare ignorant/selfish low/no tipper, and people in general (like yourself, I’m sure) can be a bother to be around, but that’s just what it is to work with people these days.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 16 '22

Gratuity is not a donation, and someone who can’t afford an extra 20% to pay the person who served them throughout their meal, someone who is admittedly “broke”, is in no position to be eating out

Yet they ate out. And didn't give you charity. Gonna have to live with it.

Eat at home and save up if you’re broke. It’s called being financially responsible.

Nope. People can treat themselves without having to give you charity.

Serving is a great job, though it does get irritating having to endure the rare ignorant/selfish low/no tipper, and people in general (like yourself, I’m sure) can be a bother to be around, but that’s just what it is to work with people these days.

Yup. Its a great job when you manage to guilt people into donating. Less when you get no charity.

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u/bmk37 Jan 16 '22

The perfect exemplar of the hypocrites on this subreddit. You don’t care about making things better for others, only getting more for yourself. Making people work for you for free (and even have them pay out of pocket to serve you) and being okay with that makes you an irredeemable piece of shit. If you don’t agree with tipping then boycott restaurants that have servers. Don’t do business with them ever again. We’ll be glad to be rid of you and your fellow garbage.

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u/Scrybatog Jan 15 '22

Wait staff don't want it to change either, they make more than people with bachelor's degrees for skilless labor.

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u/tanders123 Jan 15 '22

Exactly. Because this customer would have paid in full if he had to!!!

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u/Aegi Jan 15 '22

What do you mean? Why are you singling out restaurants?

Nearly every American business doesn’t want that because we’re like one of the only countries on earth where it’s legal to advertise the prices before tax instead of after tax.