r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/wizkhashisha Jan 15 '22

Tipping is fucking stupid just pay your staff

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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Jan 15 '22

Absolutely. Like all of a sudden, you’re responsible for your food AND these people’s wages. I’m sorry, I’m not Superman.

You made a decision to work in a place where your wage is constantly in peril and at the mercy of people’s deep pockets… and IM the bad guy because I didn’t pay more than what I’m charged? Fuck outta here. YOU chose to work there. Now you want ordinary people just grabbing a bite to subsidize your paycheck? Want me to wash your car too? Jesus. Don’t take a job where your employer isn’t fucking paying you, what the hell is wrong with you? Why would you do that? In this labor market??? Why would you ever agree to that?

Don’t blame me. I’d bus my own plates if I had the choice

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u/springyslinkies Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Haven’t you heard? You’re expected to tip now even if you do bus your own plates. For counter service. Subway now asks for a tip. Next thing you know, the peasants will all be shaming each other for not tipping the grocery store clerk while the 1% laughs all the way to the bank.

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u/wizkhashisha Jan 15 '22

Feeding a family is expensive enough if you choose to go out, sure as hell won't be adding any extra on top

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u/Nuckyduck Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Doesn't this analysis go both ways?

You knew the establishment you went to is based on tips.

You understand the laws in place surrounding tips and how employers can penalize their employees based on tips, take their tips and pay others with it, etc.

Yet you chose to eat at a tipping establishment. So can't you just eat somewhere else?

Edit: clarity.

Edit2: Posting my below comments.

Laws about tipping? No I said tip laws and the regulations around it.

  • Restaurants can pay their employees under minimum wage (state dependent)
  • So restaurant's can force their employees to tip out other workers based on their sales and not their tips (so a non tipping table costs money).
  • Restaurants can take a % of their employees tips based on credit card sales, up to 3% to reimburse.
  • Restaurants get an incentive to fire employees who do not make a minimum amount of tips that they set per night, because if they don't they have to make up the difference in terms of minimum wage and it be a lawful firing.

Knowing these things exist mean that you understand how the employer can take advantage of the employee, it seems to be a bit of victim blaming to take that anger out on the employee who's just trying to make more than minimum wage.

We should all be pissed at the laws and regulations surrounding tipping and we should be pissed at employers who lobby and enforce predatory tipping practices.

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u/wizkhashisha Jan 15 '22

No the analysis doesn't go both ways, if you don't like getting paid with tips find another job, tipping culture is stupid and food is expensive enough, I will go to any eating establishment I want and I will pay for what I order and receive nothing more, btw I'm not American thank fuck for that

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u/therestoomamy Jan 15 '22

tipping is a choice. no one is obligated to pay for something they didn't order in the restaurant

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u/Nuckyduck Jan 15 '22

I never said it wasn't, I never said they were.

I was only answering the logic the above commenter used in their argument. You seem to be talking about or to someone else.

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u/therestoomamy Jan 15 '22

no I'm talking about you. you said that their were laws around tipping and I corrected you

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u/Nuckyduck Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Laws about tipping? No I said tip laws.

  • Restaurants can pay their employees under minimum wage (state dependent)
  • So restaurant's can force their employees to tip out other workers based on their sales, not their tips (so a no tip table costs you money).
  • Restaurants can take a % of their employees tips based on credit card sales, up to 3% to reimburse.
  • Restaurants get an incentive to fire employees who do not make a minimum amount of tips that they set per night, because if they don't they have to make up the difference in terms of minimum wage and it be a lawful firing.

Knowing these things exist mean that you understand how the employer can take advantage of the employee, it seems to be a bit of victim blaming to take that anger out on the employee who's just trying to make more than minimum wage.

And that feels to be the theme of the sub. We should all be pissed at the laws and regulations surrounding tipping and we should be pissed at employers who lobby and enforce predatory tipping practices.

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u/Nuckyduck Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Laws about tipping? No I said tip laws and the regulations around it.

  • Restaurants can pay their employees under minimum wage (state dependent)
  • So restaurant's can force their employees to tip out other workers based on their sales and not their tips (so a non tipping table costs money).
  • Restaurants can take a % of their employees tips based on credit card sales, up to 3% to reimburse.
  • Restaurants get an incentive to fire employees who do not make a minimum amount of tips that they set per night, because if they don't they have to make up the difference in terms of minimum wage and it be a lawful firing.

Knowing these things exist mean that you understand how the employer can take advantage of the employee, it seems to be a bit of victim blaming to take that anger out on the employee who's just trying to make more than minimum wage.

We should all be pissed at the laws and regulations surrounding tipping and we should be pissed at employers who lobby and enforce predatory tipping practices.

Edit: I do understand how one could get that interpretation from my initial post, so I edited for clarity.

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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Jan 15 '22

No actually. I did not know that. That’s not something they really advertise. Where do you get that information from?

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u/Nuckyduck Jan 15 '22

You can ask when you get there.

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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I will do that from now on, definitely. Cuz I don’t support that business model AT ALL. I don’t think it’s a thing in California though

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u/Valiant_Boss Jan 15 '22

Sure, blame the people just trying to earn some cash... Instead of victim blaming, redirect that anger to the laws and politicians that keep this stupid culture in place

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u/sicklyslick Jan 15 '22

No one is victim blaming. We're blaming the owners of the restaurant. They are not the victims. They are the cause of incident.

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u/__ButtFuqqer3000__ Jan 15 '22

Sure. But I’m not tipping unless I want to/can and I’m going to respond to shit like this

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u/Snoo_80364 Jan 15 '22

At the same time it isn’t a good excuse NOT to tip.

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u/wizkhashisha Jan 15 '22

Fuck tipping, no excuse needed, food is expensive enough without paying towards someone else's wage on top of it

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u/TheShapeShiftingFox Jan 15 '22

It’s not an excuse, it’s reality. Just because the service business has everyone in a chokehold to subsidize their wages for them doesn’t change that nobody should ever lose sight of what the real problem is.

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u/datetowait Jan 15 '22

This guy solved tipping culture with a Reddit comment. Keep up the good work!