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So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Shruikathemonk Jan 14 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry

American tipping culture is a cancer.

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u/PattyIce32 Jan 15 '22

It only works when things are going well. Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

And that's how you know the machine is oiled well. Make sure people are so focused on whether or not they'll have enough money to live or eat so they won't look at all of the obvious, glaring fuckery being done around (and to) us.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Even better. Feed the dumber citizens hard propaganda that makes them fight with all the other citizens that are trying to fight for rights and pay. As if the hyuck hyucks are too busy fighting the progressives then they can't fight the government.

Control your citizenry through propaganda 101.

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u/Neveronlyadream Jan 15 '22

And then feed them propaganda that it's all their fault.

"Millennials are killing restaurants and small businesses and the baby market and diamonds and et cetera! They're spending all their money on avocado toast!"

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

Ah ,that ever present avocado toast.

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u/BigBosley Jan 16 '22

Both sides of the spectrum could reach some form of a common ground if our masters would let them. Instead just keep us going hard against each other while they all line their pockets and laugh

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u/nonaaandnea Jan 16 '22

Lmfao I really love that "hyuck hyuck" euphemism lmao

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u/CreatedSole Jan 16 '22

Exactly. Or even worse you get people at the same level being condescending "moral high ground" pricks using shaming tactics to try and make you feel like you're a bad person for not subsiding the wages of the server in the corporations stead. You know the ones, "YoUrE aN aSsHoLe If YoU CaNt aFfOrD tO TiPpPpP" not even realizing this is exactly what corporations want because they get to rake in profits from all sides AND have the lower classes deriding and fighting amongst themselves over their own policies.

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u/The_Nest_ Jan 16 '22

Divide and conquer the people

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u/meltedbananas Jan 15 '22

Please master, let me try harder

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22 Helpful

Best I can do is 60 hours a week with no PTO.

But the best part? Were not just coworkers here, we're family.

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u/Birdman_a15 Jan 15 '22

And family shares. So give up 10% of your tips to the bartender.

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u/Flipperlolrs Jan 15 '22

Oh please! Won’t someone think of my trust fund!?

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u/FindTheWayThru Jan 15 '22

Or my vacation homes?

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u/WorthwhileDialogue Jan 15 '22

Not defending any of it, but s/he may have paid with someone else's money and didn't have any extra for tip.

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u/cookiemonstah87 Jan 15 '22

Maybe should have bought groceries or gone to a less expensive restaurant, then. I've always been taught if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to eat out. (Though I agree with everyone else here that American tipping is a bullshit system, make the employers pay their staff, it shouldn't be our job as consumers to make sure they're paid fairly)

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u/Flipperlolrs Jan 15 '22

Oh, um, my comment has nothing to do with the original post, so….

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

Or that expensive cell phone.

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u/kimmyv0814 Jan 15 '22

Of course! Why should the company give more money to bussers, hostesses, etc., when they can get YOU to pay them! Ridiculous

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u/CreatedSole Jan 16 '22

It's such bullshit. And the people that are so quick to be condescending and tell you you're the piece of shit for not tipping when the real pieces of shit are the company not paying proper wages, so ridiculous.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

That's a fact jack.

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u/mafulazula Jan 15 '22

Not back of the house, though. A lot of those guys aren’t even from here!

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u/Chance-Ad-9111 Jan 15 '22

Always tipped bar separately!

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u/Adventurous_Dust_478 Jan 16 '22

Your server still probably had to hand over a percent of their tips to the bar anyway since most don't tip separately

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u/Chance-Ad-9111 Jan 16 '22

All the people I have seen in places do.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

But what if you don't drink?

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u/Origonn Jan 15 '22

Please daddy, let me try harder

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Thirsty? drink some blood leaking from your mangled hands… and get back to work.

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u/dzumdang Jan 15 '22

Because when it's not working well, you can fire your family, or just quit.

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

It's true! My dad quit the company when I was 5...

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u/Expensive-Stress7443 Jan 15 '22

Que Vin diesel with shotgun

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u/ladyKfaery Jan 15 '22

Abusive family.

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u/Educational-Arm-4737 Jan 15 '22

My boss said this once. Fired a guy about two weeks later even though i fixed the problem before said guy even knew it existed.

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u/Tallpawn Jan 15 '22

Try? Anyway, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

And you better be happy about it.

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u/namesake1337 Jan 15 '22

Or else

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22

Don't we all just love forced team cohesion and trauma bonding??

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u/floppy_labrador_ears Jan 15 '22

I know a supervisor that has this quote on his desk... kinda rubs me wrong.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Are we pleasing thee master? Whilst doing a little jiggle with noddy style hats in a high pitched voice...ok yes I’ve done this silly little dance saying just that to my work colleagues to poke fun at how fucked up the boss and worker dynamic is that’s been forced on us. We all laugh but if you think about it it’s bloody depressing. Man I’d love some F U money.

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u/nonaaandnea Jan 16 '22

Lmfao I love these comments. Reddit comments are always gold. I mean this in a good way.

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u/meltedbananas Jan 16 '22

I'll be here all week.

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u/mykeJoanz Jan 15 '22

Try harder to find another line of work, maybe.

Seriously, I waited tables and tended bar for almost 10 years. I certainly have no regrets, and it was an awesome job when I was younger. But I realized that when I was older I certainly didn't wanna work those kind of hours and have such unpredictable pay. I got into school for medical imaging and those last 2 years of FT serving and FT school with 24hrs/wk of clinical rotations was a giant bag of dicks!

I wish more members of this sub would be more encouraging to others trying to do the same instead of bitch moaning about how the system is explicitly designed to hold people down and that nobody will ever step up from the bottom rung of the ladder. Because its not.

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u/GringoSancho Jan 15 '22

I read once “The gears of capitalism are oiled by the blood of the workers.” I forget who wrote that, but it’s something that I’ll never forget.

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u/FabulousSomewhere761 Jan 15 '22

The Simpsons tv show where I heard it first

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u/zeke235 Jan 15 '22

And make sure they can just barely cover their expenses so the only thing they do with downtime is take a break. Can't have them finding the time to better their situation.

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u/johnasee Jan 15 '22

Why arent we angry enough to torch it all?

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u/SeductiveSoup Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

because we're all too broke too buy torch supplies.

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u/International-Web496 Jan 16 '22

Pitchforks? In this economy?

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u/willyrs Jan 15 '22

That completely true, the uprising in history bursted out when people lived a fair life but knew they could have better, not when life was bad

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u/International-Web496 Jan 16 '22

Historically there have been a lot of relevant uprisings that have happened under a whole spectrum of conditions. The first I can think of would be the aftermath of the black plague, entire families were almost completely wiped over just a few years and the newly accumulated wealth of the survivors made them realize they no longer has to serve anyone.

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u/constantlyawesome Jan 15 '22

While this may be true in most cases, I work for a restaurant where the servers (almost exclusively 20-something instagram models) are making $400-600 per shift. These girls drive the newest model cars, take extravagant month-long vacations regularly, and pay their college tuitions in cash. I know of at least two of them who received their bachelors in real estate that don’t plan on leaving the industry any time soon. Why would they? With 6 figures they can figure out health insurance and retirement on their own.

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u/SanctuaryMoon Jan 15 '22

Fighting over breadcrumbs

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u/bioblondi Jan 15 '22

I lost an uncle after telling him that 😆

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u/elcubanito Jan 15 '22

Your uncle is the one who's lost.

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u/romulusnr Jan 15 '22

No, they literally made their uncle fight for breadcrumbs to eat, and he got pissed off and left.

I kid, I kid.

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u/GoodDoctorPretorius Jan 15 '22

You gained peace of mind.

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u/cameldrew Jan 15 '22

The ivory tower, the higher power

I swear they're laughing as we claw at the scraps

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u/IndyAndyJones7 Jan 16 '22

Breadcrumbs? Plural? You must be rich.

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u/MudLOA Jan 15 '22

You should have read a similar post a few days ago. People were posting about how great it was making so much money from tips and I’m sure a lot of them were also not reporting income tax on it. It’s just all about the cash in the pocket and who cares about not having sick days or insurance.

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

I have a friend who bartends and always told me it can be such great money. Recently she got a concussion and was out for three weeks. Then she caught Covid. Another two weeks. She just found out she needs a dental procedure that’ll cost ~700 dollars. She’s broke right now so her boyfriend is staying at his current job that he was going to quit for something else so that she can get his benefits

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u/gfhfghdfghfghdfgh Jan 15 '22

People can transfer benefits to their dates?

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

Yeah they’ve been together for 3 and living together for >a year. In Canada that qualifies you as a common law partner for insurance benefits

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u/_NoBoXiNgNoLiFe_ Jan 15 '22

You mean, canada DOESN'T have the 'free at the point of need' universal healthcare like we have in britain?

And there i was, thinking canada was civilised ...

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u/nevsdottir Jan 15 '22

It does have free medical care...but NOT dental care, which is annoying

Does UK NHS cover dental care?

If she is out sick because of covid there are numerous government programs for $$$.

Finally, in Canada bartenders earn a lot more per hour than in the US and this year they'll be getting 15/hr minimum. Unemployment should be decent then too, if necessary.

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

Yeah it makes me mad, not sure how the government decided that this stuff wasn’t important

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u/cameldrew Jan 15 '22

Are you fucking joking? That's wild. Not saying it's bad, just WILD to imagine any government letting a human benefit another human just for banging them in-house for over 365 days.

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u/drex3739 Jan 15 '22

A lot of states have common law practices as well as companies. It’s not as bizarre as you think.

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u/nonaaandnea Jan 16 '22

Haha I like the way you put that. I read somewhere that common law marriages have always actually been the most prevalent form of marriage in Western culture though, due to the fact that the vast majority of people were too poor to have a "proper" marriage (even though religious texts don't even say you have to buy rings, have a priest, get married in a church, sign a piece of paper, etc.). The only thing that actually makes a marriage "legit" is two people going before their families and community and vowing their lives together. That's basically what marriage boils down to in every culture. Though I can understand why some cultures use laws to enforce that commitment.

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u/MetsFan113 Jan 15 '22

My job allows it as long as you can prove you have lived together for more than 6 months... I got no deductible, 25$ co-pays and 5$ prescriptions...

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u/romulusnr Jan 15 '22

In some places if you live with someone permanently they can receive benefits. Not always.

In lots of places, living with someone in a relationship for over a certain amount of time is considered a "common law marriage" i.e. statutorily defined instead of actually being officially married. (And then there's Massachusetts where more than three unrelated women living together is legally considered a whorehouse, but that's a story for another day.)

This is actually how they got Tom Green! (Er, not that Tom Green... this Tom Green.)

But that's far more than just "their dates," if anything it's "playing house."

I lived with my ex for 12 years, we were never married. I live with my current SO for 5-6 years, we act like we're married although covid has put a bit of a hitch (heh) in the works to get it official. In some places we could actually file for domestic partnership, although that's rarer now that SSM is legalized in US.

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u/ahandmedowngown Jan 15 '22

Yes some companies allow common law or significant other coverage.

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u/But_why_tho456 Jan 15 '22

And others require you to pay the "family plan" because your sister or mom living with you doesn't qualify you to do the cheaper "me+spouse" health insurance plan.

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u/River_Montana538 Jan 15 '22

Most insurance companies do not allow that, it's not up to the companies what the insurance will allow or not to allow. There has to be some legal relationship other than who you are dating. Some States recognize common law but not all, and still not all insurance companies will recognize that.

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u/AimlessgrlJax Jan 15 '22

They are in Canada

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u/monogamish306 Jan 15 '22

Right. Up here, North of the medicine line the govt didn't want roommates stacking up their single-income non-taxable exemptions so common law relationships are part of our legal/taxation infrastructure from the top down.

A friend of mine had to fight with Revenue Canada (Maple Leaf IRS equivalent) for ages to prove that she and a roommate weren't in a relationship because they had lived together so long. Don't fuck with right-wingers' money; the fact that it's in your pocket doesn't mean it doesn't belong to their friends.

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u/Chance-Ad-9111 Jan 15 '22

Wow! Great!!

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

And what about the people who don’t have a significant other?

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u/JohnLick3 Jan 15 '22

This is the most American catch 22 I've ever read.

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u/7dipity Jan 15 '22

Canada actually! Healthcare doesn’t cover dental or eyes unfortunately

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u/monogamish306 Jan 15 '22

Also, seldom drugs.

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u/NewArborist64 Jan 17 '22

What do you expect when you are out of work with no pay for 5 weeks? Most of our bills don't go away just because we stop working.

If she is a "common-law" wife, then her husband should be picking up some of the slack for her being out of work.

If she is in Canada - I thought that they had tax-payer funded healthcare. Why should she need $700 for a dental procedure?

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u/River_Montana538 Jan 15 '22

She can't get his benefits if she's the girlfriend.

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

My sister is a lifelong waitress and I be watching her blow money so fast. She's damn good at her job, but the industry is up and down, not consistent, etc and she doesn't prepare for the hard times

Some nights she will literally come home with like 7 to 900 dollars that she made in one night, other times she won't even make 50 bucks in a day. But what does she do when she has those 700 dollar nights, she blows it very fast

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u/tandyman8360 lazy and proud Jan 15 '22

This is like the conversation on the first page of "Waiter Rant." An income that's not steady can make it difficult for people to get a good understanding of their financial obligations in relation to their money. It's a tough thing because even if you save, it feels like a huge expense is always there to wipe it out.

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u/stealthgerbil Jan 15 '22

If your income isn't reliable you gotta live like you are going to be making the lower end of the spread. That way you can save up cash for the bad times. Shit happens so much I just expect it now.

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u/James-SF Jan 15 '22

Fair enough but it's also true for many self-employed and contractors.

Anyone can spend 10 mins writing down expenses and making a mini budget. Shame this isn't driven into people in the classroom

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u/Wiggy_Bop Jan 15 '22

This is the story of everyone who works in the service industry. Some are very disciplined with their money, paying their taxes quarterly, saving for a rainy day. I admire them, I truly do. But so many people in the SI get into that party lifestyle, get strung out on blow and/or seriously alcoholic. They wake up one day at 40 and wonder where the time went.

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u/_NoBoXiNgNoLiFe_ Jan 15 '22

Could you actually BE any more arrogant and condescending?! * jesus christ almighty. ..

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '22

Arrogant and condescending? Sorry the truth hurts.

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

The crazy thing is. And I love my sister to death....but she'll go out after work, drink and party all night, come home like at 4am and be up early in the morning to go back to work.

I be shocked how she's able to do that but she does it. She works her fucking ass off and i admire it so much but she is atrocious when it comes to her money. She's older than me already in her 30s and she's been like this for as long as I can remember

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u/Wiggy_Bop Jan 15 '22

I’m sorry, but your sis sounds just like me when I had a big cocaine problem. I wasn’t in the SI, but a lot of my pals were. I wish I had all the money I spent on my vices back.

If I were you, I’d have a talk with her. Catch her on a Monday morning, if you can. She will be completely serotonin depleted and will tell you everything. She probably wants off the merry go round, anyway. Be prepared for her to need a ton of support. Good luck.

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u/Bitesize777 Jan 15 '22

Easy come, easy go! I worked in the industry for years. It sux

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u/PuzzleheadedRepeat41 Jan 15 '22

I lived with my brother in my early 20s. He was a waiter. I made minimum wage, no tips, although I both was a hostess and bussed tables. A few years later, the waiters and bus boys shared some tips with the women hostesses

I couldn’t believe how much the waiters made! And they would spend it all that night at bars. And they would complain they were always so broke. When I finally made a little money, I made sure I didn’t spend it at bars.

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

Yep....when she has one of those good nights she goes straight out to party with her other coworkers who also had good nights and they come home with almost nothing

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u/Bitesize777 Jan 15 '22

Smart you are!!

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u/Renhoek2099 Jan 15 '22

You don't know what you're missing

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u/MsAntrophie Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 17 '22

What, like* a quality standard of living?

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u/PuzzleheadedRepeat41 Jan 15 '22

At least I’m not missing my money.

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u/Renhoek2099 Jan 15 '22

It's not missing if you got something in return

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u/PuzzleheadedRepeat41 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Sure! But I still had fun my own way and got to keep my money. You can still have friends and fun without spending all the money you made that day on beer for your “friends”, some of whom you won’t even see the next year. I don’t need liquor to have fun, but sure, If that’s what floats your boat, go for it.

I really liked my older waiter friends, but unfortunately, they didn’t age well. It’s hard to keep up that lifestyle in your 50s, they never saved anything, most of them, and now they are still working, disabled, in their 70s. So — I don’t think I’m missing anything. I do feel bad for them though. I really liked them.

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u/PuzzleheadedRepeat41 Jan 15 '22

I did miss out — what on not being poor or broke in my 30s and beyond? And though not being rich, at least being stable?

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u/Nwolfe Jan 15 '22

$700-$900 in a night? Are you sure she’s not a stripper?

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

She works at a higher end restaurant in houston. I didn't believe it either until I saw it.

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u/MetsFan113 Jan 15 '22

That's easy in a high end - well trafficked restaurant in nyc...

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u/Nwolfe Jan 15 '22

Really though? I’ve worked in NYC my whole life and even at extremely high end restaurants the average was around $450 a night. $700 per night is astronomical.

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u/WholesomeYungKing Jan 15 '22

Strippers earn more lol

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u/averyfinename Jan 15 '22

all it takes is a couple really good tables, and not fill the rest of the night with 'broke' guys that can still pay $80 for lunch.

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u/MuggsIsDead Jan 15 '22

When I was a casino cage operator in California, it wasn't unusual for staff to cash-in more than $1000 in tipped markers/chips.

They weren't even dealers, they were bar staff.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

This is very common. I've worked at two not even fine dining restaurants in Oregon. The servers get something like a 600$ check and usually clean house when it's busy. When it's slow they leave but an avg night is at least 300$ bare minimum. I've seen them walk out with Gs when they get their tip envelope back.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Part of the problem is people have an ingrained spending mentality like your sister. I don't know if it's the constant barrage of advertising we're exposed to or what. Human beings aren't stupid compared to 100 years ago, but they will have $30 to their name and use it to order Doordash. I wish I understood the psychology behind that.

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u/Hardinyoung Jan 15 '22

Cocaine one helluva drug

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u/SassCunt420 Jan 15 '22

Why would you waste a life waiting tables?

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u/captainjack361 Jan 15 '22

Why would anyone waste a life working anywhere.

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u/monogamish306 Jan 15 '22

Username checks out.

Some folks are natural people persons who are good at making others feel comfortable. Service as a rule isn't for everyone, but some folks are born to it. For those, waiting tables or tending bar can be one of the more lucrative options. Moreover, there is a strong sense of comradery among the best crews.

Think of it like this: if you're a natural people person, service is a job where you can be surrounded by your kindred; sure, the customers come and go, but the folks you work with are often what makes the job great.

Find something you love doing, and spend your life doing it well, whatever that means to you. Sassy c-u-next-Tuesdays need not approve ...

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u/EggCounselor Jan 15 '22

Restaurant industry is one of those where it’s hard to come by people with the right set of skills and nerve. Once you’re in you’re in kind of deal and you get away with a lot. So if you’re one of those good ones and come back after being awol for 2 weeks the boss might just act like it never happened because he knows he needs you. Thing is it’s also hard to come by bosses like that. When it works it works. I know a friend who used to make 2 grand a week. He eventually stopped working 72 hours a week, down to about 40 and was still making well over 1,000. If that restaurant paid him a salary he’d be making half of that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I’ve been a chef for 20 years. Cooked in America, Australia, and New Zealand.

I have never cooked in a place where going awol for more than a day was okay, no matter how good you are, the only time it’s been okay is if you were a cook in a high end place, and were awol because you were in jail. Not a waiter.

Also there is some talent in being a good server, but for the most part owners don’t give a shit about that, only the kitchen does. Because they are the ones affected. The ability to be able to stagger tables, correctly sell specials etc. servers are literally a dime a dozen and the high turnover is expected, and not considered a problem.

Bartenders get away with a giving away the odd free drink, but that’s only because the owners know that a free drink makes the customer looser with their cash and more likely to come back to their “favourite bartender”.

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u/Small_Disk_6082 Jan 15 '22

I worked in the industry most of my adult life, and can say that, in all variations, from high end pp to low pp, great servers and bar staff are typically treated like royalty, and can get away with a whole helluva lot - because they're not a dime-a-dozen.

But shit staff in FOH or BOH get the axe the same way everytime, even if they're a chef with solid creds but suboptimal performance.

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u/thrashgender Jan 15 '22

Some of the servers at my last job would make ~1k in two nights. 10-16 hours a week and making almost double what I made in 60 hours BOH

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u/EggCounselor Jan 15 '22

Yup. And your check is $0.76. Just covers the taxes and those tips are all yours. Being paid a salary is every servers nightmare. At the end of the day 20% is 20% for the customer, but how often do you really eat out? It isn’t breaking anyone’s bank and it means these people who work so hard get the option to potentially make one hell of a living. Let the tourists bitch all they want

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u/bmiyares319 Jan 15 '22

This! I stupidly took a key manager position at the restaurant I work at thinking the steady $14/hr would be better than unsteady tips (I am apparently very and at math) and it turns out I would be making less than half of what I made as a server with 3 times the responsibilities so I requested to go back as a server. It’s so dumb.

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u/EggCounselor Jan 15 '22

Yeah man, the same is said for a lot of jobs actually, including mine which is EMS. More pressure coming down from your superiors, and your salary potential plateaus at lower than what you had as a regular paramedic.

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u/Syrdon Jan 15 '22

If he was being paid salary, there’s no reason he should be expecting any less (at least pretax). Clearly the customers think he’s worth the extra price on the bill, so the business income isn’t the problem. The owner might try to get a larger cut, but that’s a labor relations problem.

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u/EggCounselor Jan 15 '22

Maybe I wasn’t clear. He was bringing in at least $300 a night. That’s a slow night. Usually it was 400-600, and he was working 6 days a week. He was making damn near 150k a year before taxes.

There’s absolutely no way he’d be making out with that much on a salary working at a restaurant. Zero chance. Let’s take into account the time period where he stopped putting in all that OT. Average $300/day working 260 days out of the year. That’s 80k which is well over what most top level managers make at mid-high end establishments. Not happening for a server.

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u/Syrdon Jan 15 '22

Why not? Customers are clearly willing to pay for it, so the only question is what he can force management to live with. If they’re that willing to accept deeply inconsistent work, they’ll pay the rate to make it.

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u/EggCounselor Jan 15 '22

Are you under the impression that what customers are willing to pay has any sort of significant impact on low level employee salary, if any?

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u/Syrdon Jan 15 '22

That’s what unions are for. That said, if you’re pulling in that much, and your employer is willing to tolerate the stuff previously mentioned from you, you aren’t a low level employee.

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u/vinyl608 Jan 15 '22

That was me when I was young. I raked in $$ waiting tables. It wasn’t until my mid 20s until I started thinking about health insurance

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u/ArchyRs Jan 15 '22

I used to be indifferent about our tipping norms, because my parents always tipped reasonably when we ate out. The concept of tipping was something I imbibed, and so any justification to withhold the practice can only be explained by internal reasons. So many contrived arguments confer blame on the food or the service but they are all straw men the same. People who offer those arguments only do so because creeping guilt. They know that they violated an internal understanding about right and wrong.

A less introspective way I think about it though is through accessibility. Older people always talk about how eating out was a rarity for them. Dining out is an expensive alternative in itself and can only be cheap when the costs are passed on…

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u/Dank_memerlord_42069 Jan 15 '22

It’s insane money and people who post things like this are entitled as fuck. There’s people doing harder jobs than servers making half what servers make, AND they have to pay taxes on all of it.

Like quit your bitching about not getting paid $300/hr untaxed to carry food from the kitchen to the table.

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u/mommommamamamama Jan 15 '22

Well it is a shitty system. Bartenders and servers are at the sweet spot in the poor pool. Broke enough so you get government help but don’t claim so you actually have money choices. It’s a level of freedom most people don’t get. But it’s also not freedom lol

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u/Wiggy_Bop Jan 15 '22

In Europe, waiting tables can be a lifelong career. Waitstaff are paid a professional salary.

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u/MuggsIsDead Jan 15 '22

While they may not be the ones reporting their wage, you can bet the business is reporting revenue. It isn't hard for the IRS to take a percentage of those revenues and then apply then to waiter compensations as tips.

Those guys are gonna get audited.

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u/amytyl Jan 15 '22

That's one of the problems with this system: people in the industry get blinded by how much money they make relative to the other job opportunities they have. A better safety net would help fix that, I truly believe so.

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u/BeardFountain Jan 15 '22

Ooh like the ones who are like "omfg I hate my job but I bought this hummer and the restaurant parking spaces aren't big enough and I'm thinking of getting legal involved. "

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u/dgillz Jan 15 '22

Not reporting income tax on tips is very difficult. The IRS assumes you got tipped and you are taxed on that and it is withheld from your check. If a generous customer leaves a big tip and pays with a card, you are taxed on the higher than normal tip.

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u/notjordansime Jan 15 '22

Combine that with the boom/bust nature of the economy aaaannnddd womp womp

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u/childhoodsurvivor Jan 15 '22

It doesn't work when things are going well.

There are two problems with tipping (besides the fact that it is a vestige of slavery, so literal slave wages):

  1. The first is the poverty wages paid since the federal minimum tipped wage is $2.13. Many service workers live below the poverty line.

  2. The second (and often overlooked) issue is the HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT it creates. Tipping leads to great instances of harassment and sexual harassment.

If we actually want robust worker's rights and a living wage in this country then we need to abolish tipping.

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u/Paranoid_Neckazoid Jan 15 '22

I mean it is indentured servitude it arose after slavery

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u/Mikeinthedirt Jan 15 '22

That may be. But have things ever ‘gone well’?

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u/romulusnr Jan 15 '22

It only works when things are going well. Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

That's like saying "meth only works when it doesn't get you addicted"

Tipping exists because of times of struggle and employers decided to take advantage and exploit their workers.

When times got better they kept it that way because that's how the system works -- constant concessions from the vulnerable, never any recompense.

I mean, "when things are going well" why are tips even needed then?

And people talk about "no new normal..."

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u/4BigData Jan 15 '22

Workers should be paid by the business owner directly

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u/AntiWorkAf Jan 15 '22

Or, as the multi-millionaire Jon Taffer states, "a hungry dog is an obedient dog" and then he goes on to say we need to make people hungry to work because apparently lower and middle class people are less than human.

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u/KobeWanGinobli Jan 15 '22

I dunno, I like tips because I’m good at my job and tips really pump up my income. I understand the downside of tip culture but it works in my favor so I don’t hate it. Living wages are nice though, I understand. Fortunately the city I’m in has a rising min. wage that’s still increasing periodically, so that’s a plus.

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u/Nernox Jan 15 '22

Tips could still pump your income with a default living wage.

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u/hbi2k Jan 15 '22

The problem is that variables besides service quality have been shown in studies to have as much or more influence on the size of tips. I don't doubt that you are good at your job, but the fact that two people could be equally good at their job and one could get dramatically more tips than the other due to, say, racial bias on the part of the tipper, is fucked up.

Tipping has to go, and that'll suck for people who make less because of it, but until and unless we can eliminate unconscious biases from human psychology-- good luck with that-- it's an inherently unfair system.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

the problem is that youre having other working class people fund your income when your employer should

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u/CyanOfDoma Jan 15 '22

I understand the downside...but it works in my favor so I don’t hate it

We spend all day every day in this sub pissed at people for this very mentality.

"I understand that workers deserve a higher wage & rights, but the current system works in my favor, so I don't hate it."

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u/KobeWanGinobli Jan 15 '22

You literally just took a husk of my point and misconstrued it to work in your way. I’m part of this sub & aware of what the hot take is. You’re reaching pal.

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u/tandyman8360 lazy and proud Jan 15 '22

It seems to depend a lot on the restaurant. The chains are terrible because there are few regulars and the cheapskates tip poorly. An upscale place can lead to good tips.

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u/hero-ball Jan 15 '22

It doesn’t work, period. It’s bullshit.

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u/p00ty916 Jan 15 '22

Works perfectly for me.

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u/meltedbananas Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

In very specific circumstances, it does work. That's why chauvinistic losers get to pretend they're not chauvinists. Neck beard attack in 3..2

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u/Accurate-Impact3076 Jan 15 '22

Maybe there are better jobs than walking someone’s food from the kitchen to the table

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u/kickrockz94 Jan 15 '22

I dont think this is that. They paid $77 so clearly they arent broke, theyre just an asshole

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u/The_Grey_Beard Jan 15 '22

It’s always indentured servitude.

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u/Dakris_ Jan 15 '22

It only works for the restaurant owners that don’t want to pay their staff and rely on us to do so.

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u/Vaeon Jan 15 '22

Times of struggle its borderline indentured servitude level pay

Almost like that's the very reason it exists in the first place.

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u/ShitP0sterAnonynous Jan 15 '22

Agreed. Employers should pay their servers a living wage PLUS opportunity for tips.

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u/doread38 Jan 15 '22

It’s always guaranteed minimum wage….. for whatever that’s worth these days…. 7.25 ain’t shit.

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u/reincarN8ed Jan 15 '22

I know former bartenders who tell stories about "good nights" where they take home a couple hundred in tips in a single night. But for the amount of effort it takes to work those nights, you may as well be running your own business. And the slow days drag down the average salary. Tipping should be abolished.

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u/takeitallback73 Jan 15 '22

even when things are going well, we're tipping for fast food. what in the world

what am I the king of france? I can't afford to pay people to wait on me ffs

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u/Bleord Jan 15 '22

When it’s going well it’s totally fucking awesome, you make soooooo much more than a regular job.

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u/AnimatorGirl1231 Jan 15 '22

If a tipped employee is getting that few tips, the employer is required to pay them until they reach the state minimum wage. It’s still low, but not indentured servitude level.

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u/Background-Box8030 Jan 15 '22

No! It works but if you can’t afford to tip $15 on 77$ keep your ass at home! Go to the grocery store and buy food with that 77$ it would last you multiple DAYS! Obviously they are not that hard up for money just a flat out liar!

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u/Emotional_Squash_602 Jan 15 '22

Just so you’re aware they still make minimum wage lmfao

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u/JustHere2SeeTheShow Jan 15 '22

Not true. Even when things are going well, some people have personal beliefs that are incompatible with reality. I worked in kitchens in high school, and was a waiter in college. I've seen way worse than this, with great service, because some people are just horrible. Others stick with silly beliefs like not tippling on the cost of alcohol, which is total bullshit given the service required.

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u/KainDarkfire Jan 21 '22

Being poked in the ribs doesn't bother anyone when it's once in a while. But a system built on it is destined to keep going until people have broken ribs.

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u/TheSkepticGuy Jan 15 '22

It only works when assholes order what they can afford.

Or... oh fucking wait... I know... buy food cheaper at the grocery store and cook it at home. Morons.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Don't hate the player, hate the game you willingly participate in.

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u/TheSkepticGuy Jan 15 '22

I'm not fucking participating. I haven't gone to a restaurant outside of job functions for more than 5 years. If you can't fucking afford to eat out, don't screw other people out of income, and stay home and eat cheaper. Moron.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Things the customer isn't doing "screwing other people out of income"

Things the employer is doing "screwing people out of income"

Do you have a better retort not suited for the middle school black top, friend?

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u/TheSkepticGuy Jan 15 '22

I can't believe you're defending breaking the social contract of tipping restaurant workers.

YOU ARE SCUM

If you can't afford to tip, stay the fuck home and cook.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I've always tipped, and I've always tipped well, but everytime I come into these threads to see servers acting like entitled abusive brats, it makes me want to eat out for the next month and stiff every last one of you. There is no social contract, only the one you have created in your mind out of short sighted greed and delusion. How dare someone advocate for an equitable and dignified system like what they have in literally every country outside of this shit hole that you wish to perpetuate?

Grow up kid.

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u/Meaver17 Jan 15 '22

These kinds of threads will always be spicy here since it’s a workers right issue (low wages) vs a consumers right issue (hiding the real price of the service to lure consumers to spend more).

If a price is mandatory should it always be what’s clearly listed on the menu.

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u/trainsoundschoochoo Jan 15 '22

It’s not against the law to eat at a restaurant and not tip. Stop getting mad at regular people and start getting mad at the man.

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u/TheSkepticGuy Jan 15 '22

If you can't fucking afford to eat out, don't screw other people and stay home and eat cheaper. Moron.

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u/trainsoundschoochoo Jan 15 '22

I’ll do what I please, but thank you.