r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

The US tipping culture is toxic as hell. Shaming people for eating out on a budget because an entire industry has convinced workers it's OK to be paid next to nothing? Ridiculous. People deserve living wages with tips viewed as an added gratuity or bonus for good service.


u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Don’t go out to eat if you aren’t going to support the employees that serve you. Customers are responsible for workers in America, that’s an unfortunate fact.

Going out to eat and not tipping is just a selfish rejection of that reality.

Edit: we shouldn’t even give these businesses our money in the first place, it’s one thing if you have to shop at a shitty grocery store, but going to a restaurant with $30 meals isn’t that.


u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Customers are not responsible, and until you can organize and fight back - this bullshit will continue. You've been conditioned to point fingers at customers instead of corporations. Some people have an extremely limited budget - should they never, ever treat themselves to a night out or a meal because of fucked up corporate infrastructure? Absolutely ridiculous to believe people struggling are selfish when wealthy corporations rip customers AND servers off by propagating the lie that "your tips are their wages". Fight back! Organize!


u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

I’m not conditioned to anything, it’s a fact that American servers won’t get paid enough without tips. I don’t agree with the system, but pretending it doesn’t exist isn’t class consciousness.


u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Saying "don't eat out if you can't tip" is a conditioned response, though. Tips are great, but we need to stop encouraging wage theft via customer shaming.


u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

The idea that people need a $35 meal, served to them by an underpaid wait staff to “unwind”, is also a conditioned response IMHO. Everyone here could use some class consciousness.


u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

People unwind in many different ways. Why are we shaming any of them? I agree some class consciousness would be helpful here. Educate ourselves and others, bring more people to anti-work. Shit is NEVER going to change if we don't stand up, organize, and change it. Instead of saying "don't eat out unless you can tip", we need to say "don't eat out". Living wages are worth making a fuss over.


u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

That logic goes both ways, why are you shaming the waitstaff who posted this? They didn’t get paid a living wage today, it’s completely valid to be upset about that.


u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Uh...where have I shamed the server who posted this? I never once said this is the server's fault. They didn't get paid a living wage because their employer failed to pay them one - and that is the crux of the issue.


u/nobird36 Jan 15 '22

Shit is NEVER going to change if we don't stand up, organize, and change it.

And how is fucking over the worker accomplishing this? All you are doing is making them work for free while you enjoy yourself. Very brave.


u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

How is keeping things the same going to change anything? 🤔 No one should be forced to work for 2$ and hour plus tips, that shit in not acceptable! Shaming non-tipping customers is a conditioned response to wage theft and that is heartbreaking to see.


u/nobird36 Jan 15 '22

No one should be forced to work for 2$ and hour plus tips,

Yah, and your solution is to force them to work for 2 an hour with no tips.

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

After a long night of repeating this conversation in multiple threads, this comment is a breath of fresh air.

Should we have a conversation about low wages? Obviously. Should we personally pay people low wages? Obviously not. It’s that simple, people can be upset with the tipping system without taking it out on helpless waitstaff.