r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/2002Kanz Jan 15 '22

Right?? Like i dont understand the people who shame others for eating out and leaving a lousy (or no) tip. I get that it's the employees way of making $ but it's such an absurd system. If i lived in America i wouldn't bother going to a restaurant at all. The customer shouldn't be responsible for giving the employee a living wage.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

I think most people commenting that way have been raised to believe this type of tipping culture is normal. Traveling to the States from a foreign country had me shocked. This is NOT normal. This is ABNORMAL and not typical of tipping experiences elsewhere in the world. We shouldn't shame other people struggling just because corporations are greedy, rich assholes. Make no mistake - corporations are doing this because they can. Not because they have to. They've convinced people that it's acceptable and "the only way" they can operate.

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

Nope, it’s just a fact that people have to tip until the system changes, and fucking over your server isn’t going to fix things.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

So much wrong with your statement. You can choose not to participate in it. You can choose to fight back against unfair labor practices. Saying, "we have to continue participating in this bullshit" isn't doing or changing anything. All that accomplishes is keeping things exactly where they are now. Wage theft + customer shaming = exactly what you've been conditioned to do.

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

Not tipping your waiter isn't "fighting back". Do you think that bosses care about whether or not their workers get tipped? The only person that not tipping hurts, IN OUR CURRENT SYSTEM, is the waiter. All you're doing by not tipping in some strange act of rebellion, is screwing the workers chances at paying rent. If we want to change the system, it's up to the waitresses to unionize and fight back, not up to the customer to think they're doing something.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Read my above comments. I already made my stance clear when I spoke about organizing, striking, and stopping the perpetuation of wage theft. Action = change.

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

Eating out in America perpetuates wage theft

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u/5LaLa Jan 15 '22

Have a poor award 🥇

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

I literally said people shouldn’t participate in this bullshit, you told me that was a conditioned response and people need to go out to eat.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

You need to re-read what I wrote and leave your anger at the door. They WANT us to fight amongst ourselves. They are counting on it, because that ensures they won't be held accountable. Stop shaming customers and start shaming corporations. How quickly would tipping culture change if masses of people walked off the job and masses of people refused to eat out during the strike? There's more of us then there are of them.

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

I don't know why you asked me to read this as if this somehow excuses screwing over your waiter. Again, tipping WOULD change if people walked off the job. But you've got to have a savior complex if you think that you're somehow "helping" the staff by making it harder for them to not pay rent. Not tipping your worker only hurts them, not the business itself. The bosses don't give a shit if someone decides not to tip, but the waiter definitely will feel its impact

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

I called you out for your "don't eat out if you don't tip' remark and you got big mad about it. You wanna point fingers at people in lower income brackets instead of multimillion dollar corporations, that's fine. That's your prerogative. It sure as hell isn't mine. Your tipping culture is completely disgusting and literally only exists because of corporate conditioning in your society. Don't just leave wait staff dangling in the abyss - help them challenge and change things!

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

You are talking to two different people, as if they both said what the other posted.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Well that's my bad I guess. Hopefully you two can figure out what I was driving at.

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

When did I say that

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Sorry, got you mixed up with another commenter here. My bad!

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

You seem to think that not tipping will change things, that couldn’t be further from the truth. Short-changing wait staff isn’t “organizing against the ruling class”.

You started this fight, this post was for waitstaff to vent about short-tips, you’re the one telling them that they are wrong for believing they deserve a living wage.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

Where, in any of my posts, did I claim that not tipping was the answer to change? Shaming people who can't or won't tip is definitely not the answer to change. Fighting for living wages IS. Venting is great, change is better.

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u/bizzaro321 Jan 15 '22

You’re telling people to stop venting and “start changing things” with absolutely no further instructions on what that means.

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u/Hoopduck Jan 15 '22

I would suggest they start by educating themselves about the power of labour unions, on the job walkoffs, and general calls to action by strike leaders. Belonging to this reddit sub is a great start in the right direction.

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