r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/DanTheRocketeer Jan 15 '22

Tipping shouldn’t be illegal, it should be bonus. That’s how it’s is pretty much everywhere other than the US - the servers get paid a living wage and if they get tipped it’s either theirs to keep or split amongst all the servers (the former being the better system).

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u/codify7 Jan 15 '22

In Japan they get offended if you tip, in their system they price the food at value for what it’s worth and to tip extra is to be insulting.

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u/Vpc1979 Jan 15 '22

In Japan they will pay for the your uniform ( if required) your train pass to work, you also have a government pension and health care. Pretty much you only have to pay rent and food

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u/Nirmalsuki Jan 15 '22

Do people have to pay for work uniforms in any country? If I was ever asked to pay for a work uniform, I won't even go the first day.

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u/thenumberonegecko Jan 15 '22

Yes that's a thing here in the U.S. Several jobs have had me buy my entire uniform (scrubs, work polo) or at least an aspect of my uniform (belt, certain color shoes, etc).

And yes, I would get punished if I didnt comply with the uniform required, so i had to suck it up and charge it to a credit card and hope I made enough hours to pay it all off, effectively cancelling my first week of pay.

Shits fucked.

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u/rednut2 Jan 15 '22

That is insanity. Can you claim it on your tax return at least?

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u/SwitchRicht Jan 15 '22

It would have to be above the standard deduction for you to start claiming . So depends why other expenses you are claiming .

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u/wyte_wonder Jan 15 '22

you can write it off as well as millage at like 0.54cents a mileas well as alot of thing

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

If you spend less than $3,000 (I believe), you just get the standard deduction.

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u/SoftNSquishy Jan 15 '22

When I worked for dildomino's I got paid like $5.50 an hour and had to buy my own uniforms. The owner of that franchise is a (ultra Christian Conservative) gaping asshole anyway though, should have ran when I had the chance. So glad I don't work those kinds of jobs anymore, it's absolutely soul destroying.

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u/MemphisGalInTampa 26d ago

1975 was a fucked up age

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u/NoMusician518 Jan 15 '22

I had to show up to my first day of work with 350 dollars worth of tools out of my own pocket.

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

Join a Union, they'll provide you with your equipment. I know people bitch about the dues, but the benefits greatly outweigh the $35 a month. I mean, with your Journeyman card that's only one hour of pay a month anyway. Plus, pensions are a beautiful thing.

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u/Dulcinut Jan 15 '22

As a union carpenter of over 50 years, carpenters are required to provide their own hand tools. The contractor furnishes power tools. Yes, the benefits are outstanding

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

Huh, I'm at the Laborer's Union and I'm a Hall Clerk, so I guess maybe it differs from contract to contract or trade to trade. I'm still kinda new but I could have sworn I heard a BA tell someone they didn't need to buy their own tools. Maybe it is no for heavy tools, but for hand tools, you do.

Well, TIL, thank you :)

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u/Dulcinut Jan 15 '22

I don’t believe laborers in our area supply so much as a hammer! I know that first year carpenter apprentices have a minimum required list of tools. Once I purchased what I minimally needed I would try to buy a tool a week. The tools you need for a concrete job are way different than for a drywall or finish job.

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u/Triquestral Jan 15 '22

I’ve never had a job requiring a uniform in Denmark, but my daughter works part-time in a grocery store and they just gave her the logoed polo shirts that she has to wear. I am 100% sure that’s standard.

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u/Sansabina Jan 15 '22

You folk need to unionize!

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u/Djildjamesh Jan 15 '22

Well this is fucked up

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

Yep, and if you bought it from them (a lot of places will sell you their uniform rather than have you source your own pieces) and don't return it when you leave, they can withhold your final check, or dock your pay.

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u/Djildjamesh Jan 15 '22

I dont even think that would be a legal thing to do in the Netherlands .... and even if it would be I don't think company's would be on this level of regardless..

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

It really does depend on the job and company here. The biggest thing is that there's very little regulation for how companies can treat their employees. We have a few minimum requirements that are very low due to begin set decades ago and businesses are essentially on their honor to rise above. In the name of profits, most don't, and in fact, many look for ways to drop the bar even lower.

That being said, there are no rules preventing companies from being wonderful either. And Unions do exist. My current job is Union and it's a stark difference from my other positions. For example, I get free stuff, including "uniforms" (if you want to call them that, they're nice hoodies with the Union name on them that I wear all the time).

So, it really just depends but more often than not businesses in the US choose to be terrible because they can. Wooo freedom, I guess.

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u/Djildjamesh Jan 15 '22

Good to hear, thanks for the details!

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u/Vexachi Jan 15 '22

Does this include PPE for you guys??

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u/Mr_Leeward Jan 15 '22

Fuck that.

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u/something6324524 Jan 15 '22

yeah i've refused to work anywhere like that, unless the dress code is just wear some regular decent cloths then nope. If it is just wear some regular decent clothes then i'm fine and i just put on a normal shirt and pants

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u/one-hit-blunder Jan 15 '22

They start them young. Even school uniforms are typically purchased at the expense of the student/ parents, here in Canada at least. B.s.

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u/fleetingsparrow92 Jan 15 '22

I got one uniform and one work shoe allowance when I worked at Tim Hortons in Canada. Anything extra we had to pay for/buy ourselves.

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u/Hopeful_Mouse_4050 Jan 15 '22

I was given the name of a shoe retailer to use if I wanted a discount when buying my own nonslip shoes.

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u/lorenzomofo Jan 15 '22

Damn, they give you one shoe and make you pay for the other shoe.

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u/commanderjarak Jan 15 '22

The US.

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u/UnlikelyKaiju Jan 15 '22

At least you can claim the cost of your uniform on your taxes, but that typically requires keeping the receipt until you finally file.

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u/hippoctopocalypse Jan 15 '22

And knowing the horribly arcane tax code

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u/meowpitbullmeow Jan 15 '22

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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u/firelord237 Jan 15 '22

I suspect the argument is that people in the US want to have the freedom to make alterations and to use their uniform like it's theirs? Maybe to keep it afterwards for sentimental reasons? Maybe to get them custom tailored?

idk man I feel like the US is built around mandatory freedoms that you have to pay for and it doesn't work but it's cheap for those in charge or the well off so on it shall go until civil war or something

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u/meowpitbullmeow Jan 15 '22

We don't want to, we're just forced to

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u/firelord237 Jan 15 '22

Unfortunately yeah, the vast majority of people probably don't care to buy their own uniforms. Should be the other way around, where they assume you want to borrow one from your job and then if you want to order a custom one for yourself go right ahead and it'll cost money /shrug

Or hell when I worked as a lifeguard they just gave away shirts and pinnies. I would hope the same goes for shirts at retail stores and restaurants

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u/firelord237 Jan 15 '22

Yep exactly. Lots of freedom comes with owning your own stuff but the cost is usually money

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u/Ghost0fDawn Jan 15 '22

You DONT have to pay for your work uniform?

In the US you're pretty much responsible for anything you wear, almost always.

I work outside, in different weather conditions and this generally means having cold weather clothing, extra layers, clothing im willing to get dirty and damaged from use, waterproof boots, gloves for cold or physical protection so I don't get hurt or strained. Hearing protection.. etc.

Never once have I ever had the cost of those items put on the company. They would laugh in your face.

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u/BornListen6622 Jan 15 '22

If you work in the US, it's an OSHA requirement that your company buys your PPE for you. The uniform may on you, but your PPE like hearing protection is required to be covered and supplied by your company. If your company isn't providing you proper PPE, that's a major OSHA violation

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u/Delicious-Ad5161 Jan 15 '22

I didn’t know that. There have been spats between the various employers on my work site that have resulted in people going without PPE if they don’t purchase their own. I’ll keep this in mind for the future.

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u/Occyfel2 Jan 15 '22

At my workplace in Australia my uniform was free and I got a few dollars a week to cover the cost of cleaning the uniform. What is wrong with the US

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u/BloodyRob68 Jan 15 '22

I'm an archaeologist in Sweden. My employer has provided me with two pairs of protective shoes, two pairs of trousers with knee pads, a goretex jacket with detachable lining so I can use it year-round, several pairs of gloves (winter and summer), sweaters, loads of tshirts with company logo, underwear, hats, helmet etc. All in all, I reckon I got about 10000 SEK (1200$) of work wear. I've paid for nothing. That's the norm here. I've never hears of anyone having to pay for work stuff, it's absurd.

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u/zenchemin Jan 15 '22

That sounds like a fucking scam and if it happened to me in my country I'd go straight to the labour board and complain about it. Surely a breach of the worker laws, I'd expect all tools and equipment for me to do my job to be provided by my employer. USA is getting stranger every day, what a country. It's all just exploitation of the people who barely have anything at all.

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u/Gauffrier Jan 15 '22

No in Europa, Netherlands you don't pay for your workcloathes... Hard-nose boots etc is paid for.

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u/Steffelonio Jan 15 '22

And you can't get fired for bullshit reasons.

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u/RenoHex Jan 15 '22

Generally, in jobs that required me to wear a uniform, it was either provided by the employer straight away, or they gave me the specs and reimbursed against a receipt. They tend to prefer the former because it's cheaper for them, Economies of Scale or something.

My favourite was the job that required me to wash my work clothes at home. In return, they gave us enough laundry detergent every month to last me two months (I live alone, everyone else had families).

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u/mediamalaise Jan 15 '22

Also gonna have to disagree on that 'almost always'

Casino industry guy and everyone who is required to wear an actual uniform gets it issued to them and maintained by the casino except for footwear and, like, underwear. The rest of us office worker types in the back who have to adhere to a dress code? We're on our own for that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I would rephrase to :"You HAVE to pay for your work uniform?!?!"

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u/bonfire_hearts Jan 15 '22

The US is definitely fucked regarding this.

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u/jersey_girl660 Jan 15 '22

Totally depends on state. Though it should be federal. In my state that’s not allowed. However there’s a difference between a job uniform(that’s specific to a place like McDonald’s uniform, hooters, etc) and a dress code. So they’ll pay for your uniform at McDonald’s or whatever but if you’re expected to wear a certain color of business casual or something like that it’s on you.

And across the country Amazon does pay for that stuff. But there’s some kind of term for when a company does the same thing everywhere even though it’s only the law in a few states.

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u/SitueradKunskap Jan 15 '22

Never once have I ever had the cost of those items put on the company.

...That really puts the whole "business owners are the risk takers" dealio in perspective.

(Also, I'm not from the US either, and having to buy tools/equipment out of pocket is not something I have ever heard of.)

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u/meowpitbullmeow Jan 15 '22

It comes out of your first paycheck

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u/Triddy Jan 15 '22

My part of Canada, if the Dress Code is something Generic (eg. Wear a Black Button down Shirt and Jeans), then it's legal to require the Employee to provide that.

If the Dress Code is specific (T-shirt with the company logo), or a safety requirement (Chef Uniforms), then the employer must pay for it.

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u/jersey_girl660 Jan 15 '22

It’s the same in my state in the us and many others though it should be federal. Federal law encourages employers to at least reimburse employees for such things but doesn’t technically require it.

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u/Stratostheory Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

My last job I think I paid $50 total for 11 shirts and pants, all of them had my name patch sewn on them and then like $20 a week for laundry services. Was a machine shop and I got covered in a lot of oil and solvents working there so laundry service kept that shit out of my washer at home.

I wasn't required to wear the shirts and pants, but the other alternative was to ruin my regular jeans and t-shirts and have to wash that nasty shit out myself so I shelled out.

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u/Classic_Beautiful973 Jan 15 '22

In the US, often, not sure about elsewhere

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u/King_Dead Jan 15 '22

yes. I've gone to supermarkets and seen big piles of subway uniforms, where i assume workers have to buy from.

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u/geovanadarkness Jan 15 '22

In Brazil many companies demand it. More so if you require bigger clothing (like my brother with his 150kg).

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u/MossyTundra Jan 15 '22

I worked at a restaurant that was heavily sponsored by Under armor. I had to wear under armor shoes (70$ out the gate) and 25$ for our shirts.

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u/Proof_Celebration_47 Jan 15 '22

Any job you work, you'll get a government pension??

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u/Vpc1979 Jan 15 '22

Yes, even foreigners get a pension. It’s similar to our social security.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

I had a cab driver get out of the car and chase me down to return the tip. They view customer service as part of their job. Amazing concept right Americans?

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u/Nightshader5877 Jan 15 '22

It's because America feels like it's built on too much greed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

It's because America feels like it's built on too much greed

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

The movie “Wall Street” from 1987 has the famous quote “greed, for lack of a better word, is good”. It seems American Businesses heard that quote and ran with it as hard and as far as possible with it. We’ve lost our perspective here and forgot to give a shit about our neighbors.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I can hear Michael Douglas' delivery even though I haven't seen that movie in years!

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u/iwifia Jan 15 '22

If you deal with another person then customer service is part of your job. From an American.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

Ive lived in the US for 12 years and I wish more people felt the same.

Also, they should be paid a living wage!

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u/iwifia Jan 15 '22

Totally agree. I actually used to frequent (pre covid and baby) a bar that paid there staff a salary plus tip. Single bar, one location, great place and always booming, but everyone got a livable paycheck and everyone shared tips. I think at the time it was $10 an hour for servers and cooks, servers with a bartending license got $15 since they could do 2 different jobs, kitchen and floor supervisor (floor super was the highest rank person scheduled) got $20 an hour. Everyone got tipped out the next day they worked for the last shift so they could get the full days tip and not just the "good hours".

I only knew two people who left there in 7 years. One got fired and one moved across the country.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

That's actually on the opposite end of the fucking issue. If they are getting paid a full salary, why the fuck am I tipping?? Include a gratuity in the purchase price of each drink do it however you want but for fucks sake I'm so tired of having to do napkin math based on my experience while also contemplating every conceivable life scenario of the staff that just helped me while drunk.

Bars are fucking overrated in general anyways these days.

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u/nudiecale Jan 15 '22

You’ve completely missed the point. If they are making a full living wage, you never have to tip. Nobody will expect you to. However, if you want to reward someone for outstanding service, there is nothing explicitly forbidding you from doing so.

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u/flyingsquirrel6789 Jan 15 '22

What he actually means is that the one guy isn't personally offended, but as a culture they believe that everyone should have the same high level of service and ethics so typing isn't required because they are already paid for their high level of service.

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u/whatawitch5 Jan 15 '22

Maybe because in Japan they are earning a living wage plus healthcare, free education, and a comfortable pension at their job, rather than scrounging in constant poverty like comparable workers in the US. When you’re hungry or can’t afford your meds, no tip is ever returned over the lofty idea that “customer service is part of the job”. Not when that tip means literally putting some meat on the table this week or buying your kid’s cold medicine.

Maybe if US workers weren’t living in a “Hunger Games” reality we could afford to be more generous about turning down tip money for doing a good job. But until we do something to end our current post-capitalist nightmare and stop letting US employers siphon money away from their workers, US employees are going to gratefully keep whatever tips they are lucky enough to receive.

If US employers think it is important for “customer service to be part of the job”, then the compensation their employees receive should reflect that. If they pay shit wages with no benefits, then they clearly do not value their customers or their employees, only their profit margins.

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u/new2bay Jan 15 '22

In Japan? Yeah, I’ve heard of people literally chasing down foreigners who don’t understand you’re not supposed to tip in Japan.

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u/profanedic Jan 15 '22

They also might try to keep you for paying for a taxi fair that you should pay.

Had a driver try to take us to a place we found online that was 20 minutes away in the country. He spent a good 15-20 minutes trying to find the location amd couldn't (looks like the place shut down) with the meter off. Then drove us all the way back, another 20 minutes. So about an hour with us and he didn't wamt to take our money. We kind of forced it on him, it wasm't his fault the place wasn't there and he did drive us all the way amd back.

Hope he wasn't too offended, but he did provide his service.

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u/Butt_Sex_And_Tacos Jan 15 '22

They are offended if you tip money, but not by gifts. Gifting is the best way to show appreciation for services in Japan. Small things, like I would always bring some custom made jerky from a meat store and wrap it neatly in butcher’s paper and tie with twine. Talking small enough to fit in your hand. Never had anyone get offended by that, and had several people compliment it the next time I saw them if I happened to go to the same place again.

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u/tazbaron1981 Jan 15 '22

Same in Switzerland and France

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

The average waitress in Japan is 1000 yen or 8 usd an hour while rent is 50000 to 70000 yen per year.

Justifying Japan compared to here is not what this sub is trying to do as Japan does not have a great work life balance.

"The working environment in Japan was characterized by lack of work-life balance such as long hours of work, large incidents of overtime work, limited availability of childcare facilities in workplaces"

Just because its not accepted means it's like people that brag about how much they work. It seems a culture thing to get offended by tips and it's has its flaws as they don't get paid a generous wage either for their living conditions.

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u/assasin42069 Jan 15 '22

They get offended because it's rude to give straight cash to someone of it's not in an envelope

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u/Mattprather2112 Jan 15 '22

How is saying their food isn't priced correctly insulting? That just like... guidance right?

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u/i_aint_joe Jan 15 '22

Mainly because Japan's social system just works.

The wage gap between the working class and middle class isn't huge, even if you're an unskilled worker your job is protected and you will get promoted if you're not a lazy asshole.

Low income families can get government housing, your employer pays towards your government health insurance.

Basically, no matter what happens you're not about to have your life destroyed due to your income.

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u/notorious98 Jan 15 '22

My wife and I went to a nice steakhouse in Ireland and weren't sure if we were supposed to tip or not. So we asked and the dude was like, "We don't do that here".

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u/networkeng1 Jan 15 '22

I tipped in Japan to a girl who helped me pick out cosmetic stuff my sister asked for (I had no idea what I was doing). She and her boss thanked me profusely and bowed. I knew it wasn’t customary to tip but they went so out their way.

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u/Classic_Beautiful973 Jan 15 '22

Yeah well the US isn't Japan, is it. It's fine that the culture exists, it just shouldn't be necessary for workers' survival. I tip all kinds of infrequent services if the service was great. It's insulting to me if someone won't take generous tips because they busted their ass to dote on me

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u/Secondary123098 Jan 15 '22 Ally

Tipping should be everywhere! Surgeon operated early, tip! Politician passed that law you wanted, bonus! Teacher gave your child an A, have a little cash.

Tips are called bribes in any area of employment where the employees are not horrifically mistreated and underpaid. They have no place in a civilized culture.

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u/crocrux Jan 15 '22

even Walmart employees can't accept tips

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u/Ehcksit Jan 15 '22

I worked grocery and we weren't allowed to accept tips. An old lady knew that and dragged me to the back of the store to shake my hand and pass off a folded $5 bill like we were breaking the law or something.

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u/Tribblehappy Jan 15 '22

Had a customer offer me $20 back when I was young working at a pet store (I think I helped her with her birds? Maybe? It was 2001). I told her repeatedly I couldn't accept it, so she dropped it, said "oops!" And left.

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u/workshardanddies Jan 15 '22

I did this at a grocery store at the beginning of the pandemic. Wanted to tip the cashier and the person who bagged my groceries. Was told that they couldn't accept it, so I just dropped two twenty dollar bills on the counter and left.

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u/Murameowsa Jan 15 '22

Yep, my coworkers who helped little old ladies put their cat litter in the trunk would get a tip slipped into their front shirt pocket like in the movies when someone bribes a guard to look the other way while they rob the casino.

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u/labellavita1985 Jan 15 '22

I love this story.

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u/Few-Swordfish-6722 Jan 15 '22

Me to. I pictured that clearly. Lol

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u/susetchka Jan 15 '22

I work grocery also. A lady said, "Take the damn money." Lol 😂

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u/thejackruark Jan 15 '22

dragged me to the back of the store to shake my hand and pass off a folded $5 bill like we were breaking the law

Old ladies are just the most precious. I think that's why we loved Betty White so much, she was America's old lady

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u/crocrux Jan 15 '22

this has also happened to me but on a register, I was so worried all day someone would come pull me off but it never happened. I have a feeling most managers don't give a flying fuck unless they directly see you accepting it

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u/MixAdventurous6222 Jan 15 '22

my nana does that too so my mom doesn't know

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u/starfreeek Jan 15 '22

I had an old guy do that to me when I used to work at circuit City as a tech. He brought his laptop in on 2 separate occasions to have it worked on and I couldn't in good conscious intake it because there wasn't an actual problem to fix, he just didn't know what to do(like it took me less than 30 seconds each time to get him rolling again). The second time he took me out the parking lot and gave me something.

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u/CaptainMisha12 Jan 15 '22

Aw, that's so sweet.

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u/34TM3138 Jan 15 '22

When I was 16 and worked as a bag boy at a grocery in the DC area, an "older" lady (she was probably in her 40s) would always have myself or this one other bag boy help her with her groceries, and we always got nice generous tips clandestinely shoved very deeply down into our pockets, lol.

And yes, as an adult I now know that is creepy...but that lady paid for a lot of my weed and gave me a lot of good dreams, so I can't be too salty about it.

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u/Kirian42 Jan 15 '22

I kinda laughed, then realized this isn't "creepy," she was sexually assaulting you.

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

I used to work at a Nursing Home, and the families of residents and residents would want to tip me or give me gifts all the time, but I wasn't allowed to accept them. One lady used to sneak up behind me and drop trinkets into the pockets of my cardigan, and then I'd have to sneak back into her apartment when she was at an activity and put the items back.

On my last day families (of residents, I never accepted gifts from the residents themselves because many had Dementia) gave me large amounts of cash gifts and other things. I was advised if I ever planned on returning to the facility to not accept the gifts or hide them and be very hush-hush about it.

I didn't plan on returning, and enjoyed my gifts and thanked everyone appropriately.

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u/ManyDeliciousJuices Jan 15 '22

When I worked in food retail we had a shared tip jar. But one time this lady insisted, "NO, this is for YOU" and literally laid on her belly across the counter to personally put cash directly into my pants pocket. It was quite memorable.

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u/stillrecruiting Jan 15 '22

I worked a Walmart forever ago as a cashier and a guy insisted on tipping me and I kept refusing so he “dropped” it in a bag on the little bag carousel and turned it toward me and walked away

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u/kingofducs Jan 15 '22

But Walmart loves when they have to accept food stamps

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u/talino2321 Jan 15 '22

Don't they actually show new hires how to apply for SNAP as part of their new hire training?

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u/BankshotMcG Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

While scheduling them at 39.5 hours a week.

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u/Loki_61089 Jan 15 '22

and then cutting your hours the week before you'd be up for review for Full-Time Benefits, so they don't have to give you Full-Time Benefits.

Was a victim of that more than once.

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u/fluppuppy Jan 15 '22

Walmart will fire you over $1

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

Walmart will fire you for eating unopened, but expired beef jerky from the dumpster. They'll even wait a whole year to bring it up and fire you over it.

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u/Tribblehappy Jan 15 '22

I worked at a PetSmart. Sometimes aquariums arrived broken, and we would salvage usable items (starter kits would have filters etc). A coworker took some sample packs of bacterial starter and was fired. For taking samples ... Which came from written off product.

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u/TatsuandFlorian Jan 15 '22

I used to work at petsmart. I never got sacked for it but the things from work we took home were the animals too old to be sold when people brought them back.

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

I worked at a Sally's Beauty Supply and they would make us "damage out" and "destroy" (put in the dumpster) any returned product. Makes sense for things like make-up, but sometimes a beard trimmer or a flat iron would get returned in working condition but due to health and safety regulations would be considered damaged and have to be tossed.

My boss was cool and hated waste, so when that happened she would just put them in a little box next to the dumpster and employees could drive around back on their way home and pick out what they wanted before the rest got tossed.

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u/coffylover Jan 15 '22

Specific and awful :(

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u/CreatedSole Jan 15 '22

Fucking scum. When I worked at tim hortons I saw people get fired over eating a 16cent timbit because they were starving. It's a literal crumb to the company and is worth termination of their employment. I despise these companies that put profit before everything and everyone and look for any excuse they can to fire you if they don't like you for any reason.

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

Stuff like this is exactly why there's a push to leave the food service, warehouse, and factory based industries and enter the corporate office for most Americans. Most factory and food staff even act as their own cleaning staff. When's the last time you saw Mark in accounting push a mop or even clean the coffee maker tho?

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u/CreatedSole Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

Facts though. I've worked food service, and subsequently worked general labor I'm in a warehouse after that for nearly a decade now. These companies treat people like slaves and children. It's disgusting. I myself am transitioning to being an electrician, but yeah I certainly understand the push for white collor work. That of course comes with its own set of problems yet it's better than being a literal cleaning, worker, server slave for companies that don't gaf if you dropped dead tomorrow

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

I mean, most places aren't gonna really care about you unless you give a killer bajowski, but you totally won't have to mop or get your hand caught in a roller line. Still surrounded by idiots, but at least you'll be in actual better working conditions

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u/Delicious_Payment_22 Jan 15 '22

And the idiots are on the news scratching their head wondering why there was a “great resignation” smh.

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

I mean I literally wouldn't flinch if 80% of restaurants were eliminated. I think it's a crazily over saturated market. It's the workers fault for agreeing to work their and it should be well within an adults ability to find a new job elsewhere. Not saying it's fun or easy, but it's literally possible. The issue here being, what industry are all of these "resigners" going to funnel into? Are they just jumping to a new company or are they actually changing fields? What is their goal in the short and long term? Do they actually have a plan or are they just acting out? If they act without planning can they really blame the systems around them?

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u/Rhyobit Jan 15 '22

16 cents when it's bought, fraction of that in cost to Tim Hortons.

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u/Plorpington Jan 15 '22

Super specific. Maybe that’s just the excuse they used against you?

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

It was a friend of mine, but yeah. It was during the last major recession (I wanna say like 2014?) and they were looking for reasons to let EVERYBODY go. They let over 30 people go at the end of their shifts not on Christmas day, but on fucking CHRISTMAS NIGHT. These were people who had been told there was a chance of layoffs and considered not coming in on Christmas, but they were told Christmas was a great day to work in hopes of proving themselves as team players and possibly keep their jobs. Their reasoning? Well, the holidays are over, we don't need most of you for another 9 months, so you're fired and also not allowed to reapply for 6 months in a neighborhood with almost ZERO other job opportunities for non-skill workers. I'm usually the first to put myself in a companies shoes, but even I can't defend that shit. They knew they were making promises they couldn't keep to men and women with kids at home... on fucking Christmas, dudes. On fucking Christmas.

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u/OneMillionSchwifties Jan 15 '22

I had a friend who worked the register there for maybe like 3 months. One day, he decided it was his last day and decided to only scan like, maybe 1 out of every 5 items? Ended up giving away a bunch of free shit to random strangers and getting fired by the end of the day. They were PISSED.

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u/fluppuppy Jan 15 '22

That sounds amazing though

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u/RedPandaInFlight Jan 15 '22

It's also theft. If they didn't call the cops, he got off lucky.

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u/Rodaris Jan 15 '22

To be fair wallmart does not want their slaves to have a chance at advancing their lives.

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u/ThatOneGuy1294 Jan 15 '22

Same for Safeway/Albertsons employees

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u/Mashed_Potato2 Jan 15 '22

Oh but we do. We'll atleast I do in my supermarket. We are t supposed to either but if I help a lady bring heavy shit to her car and she gives me 5 bucks I'm not gonna say no to that obviously.

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u/beforeitcloy Jan 15 '22

To be fair, that actually is how it works with politicians.

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u/elppaenip Jan 15 '22

Yeah, except they're not called bribes they're called lobbying

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u/LA-Matt Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

The Supreme Court calls it “free speech.”

But it (lobbying) is just legalized bribery.

Edited to clarify for anyone who can’t follow a thread.

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u/elppaenip Jan 15 '22

Being paid to do one job while someone else pays you to fuck it up

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u/NoiceMango Jan 15 '22

Nah politicians legalize bribery through lobbying and bullshit "charities". What happens when the governments legalize crime such as bribery? Laws can be morally wrong.

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u/45willow Jan 15 '22

Called PAC. Political Action Committee.

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u/BeefmasterSex Jan 15 '22

Let’s take it a step further. Money has no place in a civilized culture.

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u/BeefmasterSex Jan 15 '22

I’m serious btw

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u/Secondary123098 Jan 15 '22

I’m curious, how would you account for scarcity? If one home is more desirable (say, the view) than another, who lives in each one? With money, I can take the cheaper house and spend more on my hobbies. Without money… ?

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u/BeefmasterSex Jan 15 '22

Every time I hear somebody talk like they’re teaching a microeconomics class to middle school students, I reach for my Walther

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u/katieoffloatsmoke Anarcha-Feminist Jan 15 '22

I’m not sure teacher fits into your metaphor for not being horrifically treated and underpaid, but yes to everything else 100%

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u/Secondary123098 Jan 15 '22

Yes, any amount of time browsing r/teachers will leave any reasonable person depressed.

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u/lesbiansexparty Jan 15 '22

It looks like a normal sub about work but with less bullshit

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u/YoureAllCucksPKA Jan 15 '22

He's saying tipping a teacher could cause them to treat the student tipping better and in the dogshit education system teachers can determine a lot of your success, therefore it's a bribe.

Teachers should be paid more, no one should need tips to live.

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u/katieoffloatsmoke Anarcha-Feminist Jan 15 '22

I understood what he was saying.

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u/wulder Jan 15 '22

This is reality if you got enough money

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u/Renovatio_ Jan 15 '22

Politician passed that law you wanted, bonus!

Uh, that already happens. Corporate lobbyists reward their best stooges.

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u/Tech_Dificulties Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I wouldnt give teachers tips because that would incentivise someone to just cheat and give everyone good scores

edit: nvm it's satire

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u/Novel-Conclusion9115 Jan 15 '22

Yes, dipshit, that's their point.

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u/Tech_Dificulties Jan 15 '22

Oh, I didn't realise it was statire. My bad.

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u/Lunaphase Jan 15 '22

I disagree. If someone went above and beyond what i originally hired them to do, a tip is entirely appropriate. The origin of it is that its a sign of appreciation for such, and thats how it should go back to.

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u/Lunaphase Jan 15 '22

Not if the original base pay is fair in the first place. Say i hire someone for a 200 dollar job, and they are done in record time and its done well. How would me giving them some extra money be considered slave labor? Ajust your thinking.

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u/Chardmonster Jan 15 '22

I really don't think tipping your server and bribing a politician are even in the same category? That's undermining your argument by pushing it insanely far.

Servers shouldn't be forced to rely on tips. They should make a good salary. You should also be able to pass someone a couple bucks to someone who helps you just because you feel like it. Yes including retail workers. These aren't people in power. Kill the boss in your brain.

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u/Imateacherlol Jan 15 '22

Oh man I wish I got a tip when I graded kids an A.

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u/can-ihugnkissyou Jan 15 '22

I get what you’re saying. Here’s the thing. Before there were tips as in paying wages as we know it. TIPS meant, to insure prompt service. It did NOT mean this is your wage. People simply got an “extra” for insure above and extra. Wish we could go back to that….

That or serving and retail should be included in mandatory classes, so people wouldn’t be so shitty.

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u/x3meech Jan 15 '22

Usually the rule is you tip people that work in personal service type jobs. Like anything to do with food like waiters, cooks, and delivery drivers, mechanics, tattoo artists/piercers, cab drivers/ride share, any beauty type jobs like hair stylists or nail techs, etc. BTW politicians do kinda get tipped when you donate to their campaign. And you can donate classroom supplies to teachers and honestly surgery already costs too much to begin with lol

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u/IamFluffy94 Jan 15 '22

Teacher gave your child an A, have a little cash

Wait what?

Where do I subscribe?

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u/Genralcody1 Jan 15 '22

I'm pretty sure this is a Dwight Schrute bit

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u/chainmailbill Jan 15 '22

Politician passed that law you wanted, bonus!

That’s how it works now…

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u/crio2201 Jan 15 '22

No, tips are actually fucked up in every part of the world

Yes, places outside of the US are not as horrible, but everywhere that has tips actually underpays their employees because of it

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u/CreatedSole Jan 15 '22

Yeah because these scumbag corporations use tips to justify underpaying their workers. Then, they literally shaft the onus of providing a living wage onto the consumer who is also already paying a (usually inflated) premium for their food. And then on top of that they were able to dupe people into defending tipping via pariah propaganda.

You know the ones... "YoU"rE BrOkE iF YoU DoNt TiP, YoU GoTtA TiP AsShOlE". No I'm not, and no I don't. I'm already paying out the ass and now I have to pay MORE because their boss and company don't want to pay them? How tf does that make sense??

Companies utilized this "guilt trip" "you're a bad person" propaganda to latently reinforce tipping as a social construct, allowing them to get away with not paying wages, charging the customer more AND raking in even more profit via not paying proper wages. It's so sinister when you actually look at tipping for what it is.

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u/aphrahannah Jan 15 '22

I got a thoroughly decent wage and tips at one of my jobs. Could they have paid more? Probably. But they paid way more than similar jobs. They didn't plan to have tips, but it turns out that rich people wanted to give us money... so we took it!

They also sent us home with very fancy leftovers.

I just realised this sub may lynch me for saying such things.

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u/crio2201 Jan 15 '22

No, not lynch you

But please realize, you are the exception, and a BIG exception

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u/reeeekin Jan 15 '22

See: food delivery drivers. At least in Poland, it became an usual practice when looking for employees, to say the wage is X/hour + tips, resulting in the X being smaller cause they believe people tip so Well. But thats not exactly true in Poland. I was a food delivery for 2,5 years, delivering sushi and some asian cuisine (and sushi was considered an expensive thing back then), so not the cheapest kind of takeaway. I was doing my job good, was fast, organised, handled the pressure at rush hours etc. The biggest tip I got during those 2 years was like 1,5x my hourly rate, so basically, and it happened maybe like 5 times total. Most of the tips were like the small little change, for example customer has to pay 48,50, handles the 50 and with great pride says keep the change. Why thank you, I can buy a can of coca cola for that. Smh, liked the job, but glad I left food bussiness

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u/Alastor_Hawking Jan 15 '22

I think the issue is that tipping has nothing to do with the service you provide, and everything to do with who the tipper is as a person. Women and minorities in the service industry have to put up with awful racist, sexist people, because they rely on those tips. I do think we should eliminate tipping as a culture and tipping wages as a law, as it only exists to take power away from marginalized groups.

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u/JaggedTheDark Jan 15 '22

I remember hearing about how tipping in certain Asian countries is considered rude and an insult, as it makes it seem like the person you're tipping has to depend on the people, and can not fend for themselves, or something along those lines.

Don't qoute me on that though, I probably heard this like five years ago. that, or my brain is just making shit up at this point. too tired to double check.

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u/War_Emotional Jan 15 '22

If servers get tipped regularly like they do now and they get paid a decent wage then they’d make twice what the kitchen staff makes so it’s not fair to them.

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u/Chardmonster Jan 15 '22

What if, hear me out: we just paid kitchen staff more

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u/War_Emotional Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

So restaurants should double the pay of all kitchen staff to keep up with the wages and tips of servers? That’s a pretty ridiculous idea that will never happen. You can’t expect restaurants to pay servers $15 an hour on top of tips. Either pay them the same as the kitchen staff and get rid of tips or keep things the way they are. Having both will never happen and thinking otherwise is naive.

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u/DeathGun2020 Jan 15 '22

Tipping culture in the USA in general is a huge detriment. Employers should pay a live-able wage and people should tip if they feel generous or want to. In the USA it is almost a demand to tip because thats how service workers make their money. You are forced to tip or made to feel like a POS after.

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u/Syrdon Jan 15 '22

It’s too much a part of the culture to just go away though. It won’t die until it’s at least made very difficult to do, and the simplest method for that is to ban it.

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u/sentimentalpirate Jan 15 '22

This.

Forcing all employers to pay some minimum amount to waitstaff will not relieve the social obligation to tip, and waitstaff's economic decision-making will still factor in an assumed tip for a while. If some restaurants started strongly discouraging tips and others encouraged tips even through passive ways like a tip line on the check, the social pressure is there.

Ban it entirely. Make all the wages regular and above board and dependable.

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u/Worried-Egg-8560 Jan 15 '22

Restaurant should pay minimum wage with no tips. Why the hell should I or anyone have to pay bonuses to these people? So should I go to Walmart and they greet me well, I should tip them money? No that’s now how it should work. This system is broken, restaurant should pay the minimum wage or a fair wage and there should be no tipping expectation from the customer by the waiter or waitress.

Some waiter/servers PREFER tipping because they can actually make much more than minimum wage most of the time and make it their career instead of a job

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u/xmuskorx Jan 15 '22

Make them illegal.

No half measures.

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u/EorlundGreymane Jan 15 '22

I agree. My wife and I regularly attend an arcade where servers are paid a “living wage” and aren’t allowed to accept tips for cocktail sales. I tip them under the table anyways, as is customary. If they are kind to me I will give them money. They deserve it for all the rotten shit heads they have to deal with. I say this as one who regularly deals with rotten shit heads

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u/Indo-Arya Jan 15 '22

Seriously, when is this outsourcing of wage-paying from employers to customers going to end!?

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u/jersey_girl660 Jan 15 '22

That’s how businesses run. Even if restaurants pay $15-20 hour it will be factored into the price of the meal. This is how businesses run. Consumers won’t stop paying just because tipping ends.

If you start selling balloon decorations online are you going to factor all of your costs into your prices? Of course. If you have to hire someone to help you you factor that it too.

I understand not liking tipping culture but you’re still going to pay those wages indirectly even if there’s no tipping.

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u/Significant_Spare501 Jan 15 '22

Tipping is frowned upon and insulting everywhere in the world other than the U.S and Canada

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u/TheMightyRed92 Jan 15 '22

Tip should be yours and not split with others. If you are a great waiter why should someone else get your share even if thry are worse than you

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u/One-Marionberry-3652 Jan 15 '22

Servers in restaurants, not fast food.

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u/Kyosw21 Jan 15 '22

This. I want to give tips to people that I enjoyed being served by or did above and beyond to show my appreciation with more than a “thanks bye”

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u/icekyuu Jan 15 '22

In Japan, tipping is frowned upon. People don't tip basically.

In Singapore, every restaurant bill has a 10% service charge. No tipping required or expected.

There's research that shows that countries with a tipping culture have higher corruption rates.

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u/smile_u-r_alive Jan 15 '22

As long as everyone pulls their weight then splitting is fine, but I have had co workers always on break or their phone.

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