r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/The_Stav Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22 I'll Drink to That

Idk much because I'm from the UK, but is this really a massive issue for someone who's already broke but wanted to treat themselves? I feel like the anger should be directed at tipping culture and the companies that underpay their workers rather than the consumers who are just currently using the system as intended?

Just feels weird to be mad at someone who's broke for not paying more than the worth of their meal, y'know?

EDIT: For the people saying "Fuck the customer, they're basically stealing from the server and making them do unpaid labour!"

They're not the ones stealing from the server, the companies are. It should be the company compensating the labour of the workers, not the customers.

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u/Joga212 Jan 15 '22

As a fellow Brit I agree.

This subreddit never fails to shock me when they always continuously get mad at the customer, rather than the employer. It defeats the whole purpose of the subreddit.

I genuinely think they all secretly deep down want the tipping culture to stay because it more or less benefits everyone bar the customer.

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

As an American, two things can be true:

  • Tipping culture is absolutely horrible here. The fact that a waiter has to rely on tips to even barely scrape by is horrible. Employers should be held responsible for living wages, not the customer, and the customer should not have to give more than their bill says

  • Right now, waiters are legally paid less than minimum wage due to the assumption that they make up to a minimum wage with tips factored in. They depend on tips to scrape by. As it is right now, when you pay for food at a restaurant, you are only paying for the cooks, the bosses, and partially for the waitress's services. A tip is what pays for the rest of its services, so you should tip until it changes

The way tipping culture sucks doesn't change the fact that a waiter needs them to pay rent. You're only hurting your waiter when you don't tip. I don't know this person's circumstances, and I won't assume anything off a $77 order. I assume they're not homeless cuz they're paying with a card. So I think that, even if you're broke and get to treat yourself once a year, you should factor at least like idk $5 into what you're going to spend as a tip.

It's insulting to me that you think we want tipping culture to stay. We don't want it to stay, but individuals choosing to not tip isn't "sticking it to the man". It's not changing anything. If they can afford to tip and they don't, knowing that this is how waiters have to make a living, they're just a dick, man.

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u/mteej Jan 15 '22

what i don't understand is how i, as the customer, becomes responsible for the restaurants overheads? like shouldn't that be a fixed cost of running a business? why is that a cost customers absorb? these are genuine questions because i just don't understand

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

It sucks, and it's not right. Tipping culture needs to end, waiters need to unionize and strike, and it needs to change. The answers to your questions are because bosses are greedy. They want to make as much money in their wallets as possible. They hate minimum wage workers and think "hey, these minimum wage workers are technically making more than minimum wage due to a completely optional custom! We should account for that by allowing them to be paid as low as 50% of minimum wage! Unskilled workers don't deserve to make that much!"

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u/TroutCuck Jan 15 '22

Do waiters want it to change? All the ones I've known make significantly better money than me in my area on average.

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u/moldy_minge Jan 15 '22

They do not in my town, or the surrounding towns. Larger cities have the possibility to make good money serving. I don't have any numbers but I'm sure if you factor in servers that work in smaller communities it would bring the average income of a server down to regular minimum wage.

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u/TroutCuck Jan 15 '22

It would be a bit higher than minimum wage because minimum wage is still the minimum after tips. Employer does have to make up the difference if that happens.

(Not counting cases of wage theft because they don't really impact discussion of the law when they're not following it anyway)

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u/mteej Jan 15 '22

these companies are really taking advantage of the poverty cycle so many people find themselves in

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u/microslasher Jan 15 '22

If you don't support the idea as the customer making up the change, then should you just stop going to restaurants that support tipping thereby not contributing to the employer screwing over the employee or do you continue to go to these restaurants that support tipping and just not tip screwing over the employee?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Can't believe this is downvoted - this is the only choice the consumer has that directly impacts the business owner.

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u/fanatic1123 Jan 15 '22

It should but that's not how it works and not tipping doesn't make you a hero rebel

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u/sbNXBbcUaDQfHLVUeyLx Jan 15 '22

The customer absorbs it anyway. If they start paying all servers a living wage and ban tips, your menu prices will go up and you'll end up paying more overall. The money doesn't just magically appear to increase wages. It gets factored into the cost of the good being sold.