r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Wholesome 10 Silver 5 Helpful 16

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Shruikathemonk Jan 14 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry

American tipping culture is a cancer.

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u/nbbiking Jan 15 '22 Helpful

It pits the working class against each other, making a worker responsible for another worker’s living, while the management gets to keep the difference.

One must be a special kind of stupid to find oneself in this sub and support tipping. It’s so fucking obvious

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u/mapcat Jan 15 '22

Tipping is fucked, but there is no way most servers and bartenders want it to go away. They can easily clear 40+ an hour on solid nights and sometimes far more. No restaurants would offer that much.

That said, I worked as a server and I would have preferred a solid hourly wage because I was stuck on a lot of slow breakfast shifts. And being tipped also just kinda makes me feel like a prostitute

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u/MaxTHC Jan 15 '22

They can easily clear 40+ an hour on solid nights and sometimes far more.

At a fancy restaurant/bar in a gentrified neighborhood? Sure. But if you work at a quiet diner on the outskirts of town, you're making very little in tips. Also, other FOH employees (e.g. bussers) get jack shit from the tip pool.

It infuriates me that those who are lucky enough to work somewhere with good tips are content to fully ignore how shitty the tipping system is to so many fellow workers. Feels very class-traitor-esque to me.

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u/SoftNSquishy Jan 15 '22

This, exactly this. Servers should be supportive of each other, and all should back wage reform to make tipping a bonus instead of a necessity. But sadly, the class war is alive and well in American culture and having each other's backs is getting so rare these days in a lot of circles.

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u/Daddio7 Jan 15 '22

As far as I know there are no "press gangs" Shanghaiing people and forcing them to work at restaurants. FIND ANOTHER JOB.

$77.90, that was five people, right? Couldn't one of them ponied up a TIP. No, really, that would buy three of the most expensive meals in my town.

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u/Technical-Hedgehog18 Jan 15 '22

And you do know things cost different amounts in different places? You gotta think further than your locality if you really care and want change

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u/MaxTHC Jan 15 '22

I'm no longer in the service industry. But also, "find another job" isn't realistic for everyone. Imagine you live in a small town in rural California. Your wages shouldn't fucked because a server at a tech bro bar in Santa Clara is making bank from tips.

Maybe you prefer living in a rural town, or maybe you don't have enough money to leave.

Yes, you should find another job, but that's not the point. The point is that any job, anywhere, should not be allowed to pay you below minimum wage.

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u/Daddio7 Jan 15 '22

True, get rid of tipping, make all jobs pay minimum wage. If the owner can not pay minimum wage the job will disappear. I guess a job that pays less then minimum wage is worse then having no job at all.

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u/nepumbra0 Jan 15 '22

Time to find a new place to work then

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u/MaxTHC Jan 15 '22

Missing the point entirely. I could find a better job, but someone else will replace me at that diner. And then it would be them getting fucked over from a system which I benefit from.

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u/nepumbra0 Jan 15 '22

Sure but then that person will do the same thing. If the company wants to not pay competitive wages their restaurant will be a revolving door. Some jobs just aren't meant to be permanent.

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u/MaxTHC Jan 15 '22

We're not talking about competitive wages or not. We're talking about the company paying less than minimum wage to it's employees. For me this isn't a question of business strategy, it's a question of ethical labour laws.

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u/nepumbra0 Jan 15 '22

The tip system has pros and cons for sure, and I don't really agree with it. At the same time I stand by my point, if you aren't making much from tips then go somewhere else. No one is forcing you to work there.

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u/MaxTHC Jan 16 '22 edited Jan 16 '22

I agree that anyone in that situation should get a better job if they are able to. But that's also a fairly privileged response. People living in rural areas might not have access to any better jobs nearby. People with disabilities often have a very hard time finding employment. Not everyone can just up and leave their job and easily find something better.

Also, your solution may work on an individual basis, but kind of dismisses the fact that this is a systemic problem. Even if no individual employee stays at the company for very long because of the poor wages, the company is still continuously taking advantage of working-class folks by paying them under minimum wage.

And hell, even at the individual level, if you quit after two weeks, you still deserve to be paid fairly for that time. So even ignoring the systemic issue (which you shouldn't), your argument feels pretty anti-worker.

TLDR: yes, of course you should leave the job, but as I keep saying, that is completely beside the point I was making.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I work for a steel union. We are all prostitutes.

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u/george_costanza1234 Jan 15 '22

Tipping itself doesn’t need to go away. The expectation of it is what needs to go away.

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u/Tel-aran-rhiod Jan 15 '22

I was about to upvote and agree with you, but there is nothing wrong at all with being a prostitute. Sex work is work

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u/mapcat Jan 15 '22

Yeah I didn’t mean it like that. If they enjoy it, all power to them. But personally, sex work would make me feel like shit about myself

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u/Tel-aran-rhiod Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Well you said it like that. Rather than getting defensive about it maybe just take it on board and do better next time

EDIT: lol these comments always get downvoted to hades, redditors are so fragile when it comes to being called out on bs. Maybe you can all buck up and spend some time looking in the mirror - the lesson is that if you say something shitty, saying "I didn't mean it like that" doesn't absolve you of it, and is just making it about you, rather than simply owning your mistake and changing your behaviour

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u/mapcat Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I would say that most people that go into sex work would not be doing so if we had such things as basic universal income. I did not mean to disrespect anyone doing sex work. Also you're kinda a patronizing dick. Do better next time? Foh

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u/Tel-aran-rhiod Jan 15 '22

And why would you say that? Have you ever done sex work? How many sex workers do you personally know? You're making a lot of value judgements about it.

And honestly mate, you're just being fragile and I'm not here to spoon feed you. I don't care about internet popularity points lol.

You said something shitty, I called you out on it, you responded by getting defensive and making it about you rather than just owning your mistake. Deal lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Not really, it's moreso you projecting a value judgement on to their comment. There was nothing in there about prostitution being bad. I'm a doctor and I work with medical devices, I often say I don't like to feel like a salesperson - that's not a criticism of salespeople. You need to fucking chill out lol. There are plenty of people shitting on sex work if you wanna call someone out.

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u/reslavan Jan 15 '22

Most people who talk about SW and use it as a cheap talking point don’t actually know anyone who does it, haven’t done it themselves, and generally aren’t that knowledgeable about it

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u/PmP_Eaz Jan 15 '22

I mean, prostitution often involves feeling degraded even if it’s profitable. If one didn’t choose that path of life it’s understandable not to want to feel that way. No shame to those that did ofc.

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u/HexAppendix Jan 15 '22

Capitalism is by definition selling the use of your body and time in exchange for money. How is that different from sex work?

Sex workers are allowed to feel however they want to feel about it, but comments like yours contribute to the stereotypes that it is somehow inherently degrading or fundamentally different from other types of labor. It's not.

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u/Tel-aran-rhiod Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

100% this. I personally know many sex workers, and none of them feel degraded by what they do. I can't say the same for the people I know working in hospitality or retail or many other industries. Insisting that sex work is somehow more (or inherently) degrading is just the same old bs cultural misogyny and policing of women's sexuality dressed a different way

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u/PmP_Eaz Jan 18 '22

What’s the race of the sex workers you know?

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u/BarrymoresPoolBoi Jan 15 '22

Some might say comments like yours focus on the comparatively privileged sex workers, some of whom may not even meet their clients or participate in penetrative sex depending on how you define "sex work", rather than financially desperate drug addicts and pimped out children.

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u/RozzyStripe Jan 15 '22

Ladies and gentlemen I give you... the current state of America

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u/PoIIux Jan 15 '22

Doesn't mean everyone needs to want to feel like a prostitute.

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u/master0fcats Jan 15 '22

I think most servers and bartenders don't want tipping to go away because how the fuck else are they gonna make a living wage? Like, people get so pissy that servers and bartenders want to continue making decent money when the reality is that if most of us could do the same job getting paid a solid hourly wage with benefits, we'd take it in a hearbeat over the gamble of the tip system. Servers and bartenders don't want it to go away because as things stand now, there's no better option. Not directed at you but I don't understand why people don't see this.

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u/Fook_n_Spook Jan 15 '22

I agree, it's like saying "the people making 25-30 an hour don't want to get rid of the system that allows them to and replace it with one where they make 12". Well of course not, the market out there is absolutely fucked for most hourly workers and no one wants to make less money

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u/DouglerK Jan 15 '22

Which restaurants are people making 40+/hr at you delusional fuck?