r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Shruikathemonk Jan 14 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Starry

American tipping culture is a cancer.

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u/ConstructionOther686 Jan 15 '22

How does it make sense that two tables get the same exact thing and it’s up to them if they want to pay $77 or $100 for it?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

It's up to everyone. Just cause someone saved up to eat out doesn't automatically mean they can afford to pay gratuity. They aren't obligated to do so. If they were, it would be on the receipt, not a choice given to them.

Eating out is a rare treat some people give themselves. They do it to keep their morale high and feel independent; and like they're a part of greater society. It's as much for their mental health as it is for sustainance. Most people can eat more (better, in some cases) for less money spent at home, and rent a movie to go with it.

And for people who just refuse to tip, well... choices are choices. They get to make theirs.

They didn't choose your job for you, so you don't get to choose how they spend their money.

$23 for taking an order, bringing out food, and acting fake nice (evidenced by the OP's post)? I'm completely over that.

This is why I don't tip anymore. And if I do maybe it's a dollar or two after I've had an amazing day.

I do think tipping needs to go away and minimum wage should be paid for those jobs, at least. But I'm not going to bleed money simply because I can empathize.

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u/Far_Seesaw_8258 Jan 15 '22

You’re a piece of shit. You’re just taking it out on servers and that’s not okay. You literally express a poor attitude towards servers and that’s fucked up.

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u/McBeefyHero Jan 15 '22

No, restauranters show poor attitude to servers.

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u/Far_Seesaw_8258 Jan 15 '22

Idgaf what you think they should be paid. They’re not. So until it’s changed. Tip or get the fuck out. Or at least have the human decency to fucking tell the server beforehand you’re not going to tip so they can let you sit there alone and hungry

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u/McBeefyHero Jan 15 '22

okay but you're apportioning blame to the wrong parties

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u/Far_Seesaw_8258 Jan 15 '22

No I’m not. It’s also the owners fault for not paying a proper wage. Just like any business.

But until this system (that all you mfers know exists) is killed you’re only hurting the workers. Are you dumb enough to believe that the employers would actually care if you don’t tip one of their servers??? That’s not going to make them change their mind. But you are wasting a servers time and energy while they wait on you for free.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

It’s also the owners fault for not paying a proper wage. Just like any business.

Its not the customers fault at all. Im nlt you boss. I dlnt lay your wage.

But until this system (that all you mfers know exists) is killed you’re only hurting the workers

So are you by blackmailing them into giving you money.

Are you dumb enough to believe that the employers would actually care if you don’t tip one of their servers??? That’s not going to make them change their mind.

Of course not. Its meant to make the servers who wanna keep getting tips and not demand a better wage do so by taking away the option to keep fucking other workers by not unionozing

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u/DaBeeZee Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Exactly this. If a customer doesn't want to tip, tell the server. Go ahead and see what happens. People are paying for service. Do I agree with tips? No, we should all have a liveable wage. That is not the world we currently live in. I depend on tips to pay for my very existence. Is my job easy and do me and the amazing kitchen staff not deserve to be treated like humans? If your answer is yes or "it's not my job to pay you" then stay at home and "flip your own burgers", and make your own curry, and froth your own foam, and do your own fucking dishes. Thanks!

EDIT: down-votes show your entitlement ew

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 16 '22

People are paying for service.

No. Im paying for food. The boss is paying for your service.

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u/DaBeeZee Jan 16 '22

Ew. You're a waste of space and time.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 16 '22

There's a reason all you can do is insult and not defend why i should give you charity just so you don't have to unionize with other workers.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

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u/miikro Jan 15 '22

What the fuck is someone with such disgusting Avocado Toast Bootstrap Energy doing on this sub? This is an anti-exploitation zone and here you are, reveling in your exploitation of people you clearly view as below you.

American tipping culture is absolutely fucked, but knowing it's absolutely fucked and then actively making someone's job worse is a special kind of assholery.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Their job is the same. I’m not paying their wage. I didn’t hire them.

Entitled bitches.

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u/miikro Jan 15 '22

Thanks for showing who you really are. Disgusting. The world is worse with you in it.

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u/ngrdwmr Jan 15 '22

“get a better job if you don’t like being broke!”

it’s not as easy as that. and, like it or not, it is an expectation to tip. if you’re going out for a dinner, you should factor that into the price.

if you don’t care about “the welfare of random strangers,” this probably isn’t the sub for you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

They’re free to expect what they want. It’s still my choice. I will continue eating out and I will continue making the choice to keep my money in my pocket.

It’s really that simple.

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u/cookiemonstah87 Jan 15 '22

I agree that's a dick move. Your reasoning for why you don't tip is similar to how people like Bezos and Musk get as rich as they do, which is what makes a lot of people say they must be sociopaths. If you disagree with tipping, that's fine, it seems most of us here do. But do you ever do anything to change tipping culture? Not tipping a server only negatively affects that server. The owners don't care if you tip or not, they probably don't even know one way or the other, and they're the ones who need to be convinced tipping is bad.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I don’t need a reason.

I change tipping culture by not participating. If everyone stops, it will go away. Inventing “woe are they” excuses to keep perpetuating it isn’t helping anyone.

Ripping the bandaid off always hurts.

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u/Goliath_Gamer Jan 15 '22

So you're an asshole. Got it.

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u/ginger-snap_tracks Jan 15 '22

Not participating would be not eating out. If you can't afford to, or don't want to, tip the person who serves you, you don't need to be served. Get curbside and serve your damn self for free.

You're just being an asshole not tipping your waitress.

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u/DaBeeZee Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Come to my restaurant and you won't be allowed back. 💁

EDIT Not MY restaurant, but the one at which I work. The owner wouldn't lose sleep over us not being tipped. Me and my peers/co-workers just won't serve you again.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 16 '22

The owner wouldn't lose sleep over us not being tipped. Me and my peers/co-workers just won't serve you again.

So what happens when you all get fired for it?

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u/DaBeeZee Jan 16 '22

Then I guess we'll have the means to unionize so we don't need your "charity" any longer. 👍

I really must thank you though. You've inspired me. All this back-and-forth between us. (waste of my time, why am I still here? HELP) There's nothing like a good ole fashioned call out publicly. When I don't get tipped everyone else in the restaurant is going to know when I loudly say, "Excuse me! Did you forget to tip?" Then they can confidently explain that they don't feel it's their way of doing things. To which I can remind them that we will take note and that they can try the frozen food section at Wal*Mart next time. Hopefully the shelves aren't too empty.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

Sorry pissy americans are mad ya aint giving to their charity. Some a the folk here suck ass

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

it’s not as easy as that. and, like it or not, it is an expectation to tip. if you’re going out for a dinner, you should factor that into the price.

Expectation because you make it. No people shoudlnt factor that it. You dlnt when you go the store to tip the register person for their shitty pay job do you? Why should servers be differnet?

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u/ngrdwmr Jan 16 '22

servers make way below minimum wage because businesses are legally allowed to factor potential tips into their wages.

people are making $2/hr working full-time jobs. it’s not fair, but the businesses aren’t gonna make the change themselves. we have to support the people who are serving us.

these are people we called “essential workers” who worked through the worst of covid with these wages. now we write them off again because the imminent threat to our comfort is not as severe. ask a doordash worker what they get paid.

they deserve a living wage and they’re not getting it. because it’s literally expected by the law that they will be tipped. by you, the consumer, who is choosing to be a patron. factor it into the cost of your meal, or your grocery delivery, or your ride with uber.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 16 '22

we have to support the people who are serving us.

Yes. But they dont wanna demand more par or unionixe because they would make less than on tips. So they fuck everyone else at the restaurant over by not unionizing.

these are people we called “essential workers” who worked through the worst of covid with these wages. now we write them off again because the imminent threat to our comfort is not as severe. ask a doordash worker what they get paid.

I'm not writing anyone off tho

they deserve a living wage and they’re not getting it.

Yes

because it’s literally expected by the law that they will be tipped. by you, the consumer, who is choosing to be a patron.

Yes. So change that. By unionzing or demanding lovign wage.

factor it into the cost of your meal, or your grocery delivery, or your ride with uber.

Why? You can just not give extra and then they've got incentive to stop fucking everyone else at the restaraunt and start unionizing for better pay.

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u/Far_Seesaw_8258 Jan 15 '22

Why the fuck are you on this sub?? My friend you don’t belong here with that attitude get the fuck out.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Nope. You don’t get an echo chamber.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

He does rho. Its literslly all whiney Americans who think your way and its coming from an American. Unionize or strike

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

You’re a piece of shit.

Your lazy. Unionize. Demand more pay. Strike. Stop bitching for charity.

You’re just taking it out on servers and that’s not okay

Nope. Just getting food and not donating what I dont have.

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy Jan 16 '22

“I’ve got mine. Fuck you.” This mentality is quite familiar. You suck my friend.

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 16 '22

I dont got mine. Cuz servers won't unionize to make kitchen work pay more. Keep demanding charity and getting mad when you get none tho

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u/DaBeeZee Jan 16 '22

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EDIT Charity

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u/AlmostBlue618 Jan 16 '22

the fact that this is getting any upvotes at all, in what’s supposed to be the most pro-worker sub out there at that, is an absolute embarrassment

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy Jan 16 '22

Fucking gross. I’m sorry but these thinkpiece answers people are giving to make themselves feel better about not tipping is bullshit. You have a choice and you’re choosing not to tip. Yeah the system is bullshit and it sucks but it is what it is right now and you taking a “stance” by no tipping isn’t doing shit to help the cause. It’s ruining hardworking service workers nights and affecting what bills they can pay.

And if you really feel so strongly I challenge you to let all service worked no that you don’t tip before you get your service.

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u/zzzzz94 Jan 15 '22

Well you pay the $100 and leave a tip as a sort of bribe to make the server not treat you like shit and hate you the next time you come, not because the service was anything special

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u/ConstructionOther686 Jan 15 '22

Which is why that service should be included in the cost. I don’t get to decide if I want to pay my mechanic for his service.

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u/eparadoxical Jan 15 '22

At the bar I work at, we do this. Automatic 18 percent service charge listed on the bill. People still complain about it and ask for it to be taken off.

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u/ConstructionOther686 Jan 15 '22

That’s how a tip should be. Add 18% or so, if they feel like adding a bit to it depending on the service they’re free to. Servers make below minimum wage because tips are expected.

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u/eparadoxical Jan 15 '22

I absolutely agree. This is the only place I've worked that does the service charge and the owner flat out refuses to ever take it off.

His reasoning is even if you received awful service from your waiter you still got drinks from the bartender, food from a chef, and if you had a bad experience he will remove a drink or the price of the food but never the service charge.

If you go to Wal-Mart and the cashier is rude or unhelpful, they still get paid for the hour they worked at a normal wage. Should be that way for tipped employees too.

I don't mind tipping culture if everyone is paid a fair wage. I tip at salons, mechanics, Starbucks, etc.

But relying on it to pay your bills is what keeps all of us in the service industry down.

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u/HiImLarri Jan 15 '22

So because it doesn’t have it included in the bill, you don’t have to pay for that service?

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u/dankchristianmemer7 Jan 15 '22

It's because employers benefit from being able to falsely advertise their food at lower cost

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u/Ballbag94 Jan 15 '22

They're saying it shouldn't be variable. Servers should get a living wage, the cost of which should be incorporated into the price of the goods as opposed to relying on the charity of customers to pay an "optional" extra

That way staff don't have to worry if they'll earn enough each month and customers can pay the advertised price rather than having to work out what they should be paying

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u/Far_Seesaw_8258 Jan 15 '22

Yes but they don’t get a living wage. And your food is cheaper because of that. So youre benefitting from a system you refuse to pay into by paying your fucking waiter. What the fuck is wrong you guys?

It’s not about what “should” be. It’s about what fucking is. You can fight for them getting a living wage and also make sure they’re paid for the SERVICE THEY GAVE YOU .

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u/Ballbag94 Jan 15 '22

Yes but they don’t get a living wage. And your food is cheaper because of that

Have you understood my comments? Firstly, I'm not American, so I'm not benefitting from that system, and secondly I'm talking about what it should be, not what it is

It’s not about what “should” be. It’s about what fucking is

I think you've missed the vibe of this comment chain, we were talking about what it should be as there seem to be a fair few advocates for keeping the system in place

You can fight for them getting a living wage and also make sure they’re paid for the SERVICE THEY GAVE YOU .

I never said they were mutually exclusive, I can think that the system is ridiculous and needs changing while still tipping, if I happen to be in America, I'm glad we agree

I don't really understand why you're so angry about the fact that I think American service workers are getting ripped off and should be paid a living wage without having to perform like circus animals

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u/Far_Seesaw_8258 Jan 15 '22

You’re comment is replying to someone who’s talking about the way it IS. Just like the post is about.

You’ve missed the vibe of the comment you replied to.

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u/Ballbag94 Jan 15 '22

You’ve missed the vibe of the comment you replied to

If you say so, I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on that one

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u/Odd-Mountain-9110 Jan 15 '22

Yes but they don’t get a living wage. And your food is cheaper because of that

Nah this is false. The food costs whatever they decide and isn't actually influenced like that in any way.

You can fight for them getting a living wage and also make sure they’re paid for the SERVICE THEY GAVE YOU .

Bit they dont fight for a living wage because they like the charity so why keep funding it then? They don't demand more lay or strike because they like getting so much extra in tips at the places that do

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u/ConstructionOther686 Jan 15 '22

No buddy. That’s why the system is fucked up. You should pay for that service, but as you can see above some choose not to.

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u/verbyournoun123 Jan 15 '22

That’s a horrible analogy.

My state does not have a different tipped wage and therefore there is no legal or moral obligation to tip in any circumstance.

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