r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/The_Stav Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22 I'll Drink to That

Idk much because I'm from the UK, but is this really a massive issue for someone who's already broke but wanted to treat themselves? I feel like the anger should be directed at tipping culture and the companies that underpay their workers rather than the consumers who are just currently using the system as intended?

Just feels weird to be mad at someone who's broke for not paying more than the worth of their meal, y'know?

EDIT: For the people saying "Fuck the customer, they're basically stealing from the server and making them do unpaid labour!"

They're not the ones stealing from the server, the companies are. It should be the company compensating the labour of the workers, not the customers.

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u/Joga212 Jan 15 '22

As a fellow Brit I agree.

This subreddit never fails to shock me when they always continuously get mad at the customer, rather than the employer. It defeats the whole purpose of the subreddit.

I genuinely think they all secretly deep down want the tipping culture to stay because it more or less benefits everyone bar the customer.

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

As an American, two things can be true:

  • Tipping culture is absolutely horrible here. The fact that a waiter has to rely on tips to even barely scrape by is horrible. Employers should be held responsible for living wages, not the customer, and the customer should not have to give more than their bill says

  • Right now, waiters are legally paid less than minimum wage due to the assumption that they make up to a minimum wage with tips factored in. They depend on tips to scrape by. As it is right now, when you pay for food at a restaurant, you are only paying for the cooks, the bosses, and partially for the waitress's services. A tip is what pays for the rest of its services, so you should tip until it changes

The way tipping culture sucks doesn't change the fact that a waiter needs them to pay rent. You're only hurting your waiter when you don't tip. I don't know this person's circumstances, and I won't assume anything off a $77 order. I assume they're not homeless cuz they're paying with a card. So I think that, even if you're broke and get to treat yourself once a year, you should factor at least like idk $5 into what you're going to spend as a tip.

It's insulting to me that you think we want tipping culture to stay. We don't want it to stay, but individuals choosing to not tip isn't "sticking it to the man". It's not changing anything. If they can afford to tip and they don't, knowing that this is how waiters have to make a living, they're just a dick, man.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

First, servers should be paid a lot more than they currently are however if your hourly wage + tipped wage doesn’t equal the minimum wage, the employer is required to pay the server until their wage is the minimum wage. So servers aren’t paid less than minimum

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

That's the law, yes. In practice, this doesn't happen. Servers are paid less than minimum all the time.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

So we should fix that. Because tipping doesn’t stop an employer from taking the tips which happens as well. Many illegal things happen in practice

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

Of course we should fix that, but you should know, if someone doesn't tip a server, it's very unlikely that the restaurant is going to clock that and make up the difference.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

I would argue the server should then take out a loan or use their own money if they have the means to sue the restaurant. But that’s beside the point. An employer can just take tips so what’s the solution here

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

You're right, anything is possible.

The most likely scenario, by far, when you tip a server is that the server gets this money (after tipping out to the hostess and other staff). Employers stealing tips does happen, but it's uncommon.

The most likely scenario, by far, when you don't tip a server is that they don't get anything. Employers reimbursing servers that fall below the minimum might happen, but it's uncommon.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

Do you have stats that show stealing tips is less common than not adding the wage to equal minimum?

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u/insertnamehere02 Jan 15 '22

You clearly don't understand how it works. Please exit the argument, as you have no place in this debate. 👋🏻

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u/DL_ Jan 15 '22

I refuse to believe this. If they don't pay up they face many penalties. And there's a fucking paper trail with paystubs so its easy to prove.

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Okkkk then 🙋🏻‍♀️

Edited to add: where on a paystub do you think tips go?

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u/DL_ Jan 15 '22

I assume there's a line item called tips or something. What's your point?

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

Tips don't go on paystubs.

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u/DL_ Jan 15 '22

If they don't then what are they basing the tax deductions and other things off of?

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

This I did not know, actually. Lemme search this up rq. Sorry for my ignorance if you're right

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

I think it’s in all states in the US but I could be wrong there.

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u/insertnamehere02 Jan 15 '22

Only in states where they use federal tipped wage. States who use reg minimum wage don't use or need it.