r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/ESP-23 Jan 15 '22

Because States like Texas can pay their servers $2.13 an hour

It's oppression plain and simple

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u/Spidaaman Jan 15 '22

lol it’s not just Texas.

Google the National Restaurant Association. Also google the federal tipped minimum wage.

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u/Appropriate-Creme335 Jan 15 '22

This sounds absolutely crazy to me. Why on earth would any government have an actually regulated untaxed income, than increase minimum wage and receive more taxes from the same money. The more I learn about US the less I understand where is this whole "best country in the world" discourse coming from.

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u/Dingis_Dang Jan 15 '22

It's the best country at making everyone think it is the best country.

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u/Vegan-Joe Jan 16 '22

It's all smoke and mirrors.

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u/erikagm77 Jan 15 '22

California servers get paid at least minimum wage. More and more states are moving away from “tipped minimum wage”. I believe NYC is also among them.

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u/Turbulent_Salary1698 Jan 15 '22

No, Texas restaurants have a base pay of $2.13, but is required to make up the difference if tips don't.

If everyone stopped tipping, restaurants would be paying minimum wage. Servers should make more than minimum wage, but so should everyone else on minimum wage.

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u/peesonearth93 Jan 15 '22

There's states that don't have server wages?

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u/777shark Jan 15 '22

California has no server wage.

A server has to be paid by the employer at least state minimum of $14 or $15 depending on employer size, and tips can't be used as part of the servers wage.

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u/morphinedreams Jan 15 '22

California needs to just secede already, they're closer to developed countries than they are to the rest of the US.

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u/Rosita_La_Lolita Jan 15 '22

Believe me, we’d love to.

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u/Dingis_Dang Jan 15 '22

Minnesota doesn't have one. Restaurant workers make the state or city minimum wage. The National Restaurant Association really hates when states don't have a tip penalty and lobbies heavily in those states but it's holding true for now.

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u/Andre4kthegreengiant Jan 15 '22

They can't if their tips don't average them out to federal minimum wage

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u/BananafestDestiny Jan 15 '22

Because States like Texas can pay their servers $2.13 an hour

This is tautological though. The reason minimum wage is lower for servers is because of tips.

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u/CanuckExpat890 Jan 15 '22

Is this an exaggeration or is $2.13 a real figure there?

I really hope that’s an exaggeration.

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u/2Thomases Jan 15 '22

That's the federal minimum wage for tipped employees. After tips are added, if the employee is making less than minimum wage, the employer must pay the difference.

So servers will always make at least regular minimum wage, some if it directly through a wage, some of it through tips

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u/SimulatedHumanity Jan 15 '22

I cleared $60,000 a year waiting tables and bartending when I was only getting paid $2.13 an hour. You couldn’t force me to go to an hourly rate back then.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

I use to make $30 an hour waiting tables…y’all are literally trying to get us paid less crying about this.

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u/Sun_BeamsLovesMelts Jan 15 '22

While I agree, and try to tip in cash so you can decide how you want to handle it....

You also lack any benefits. Low deductible insurance, paid time off, a good 401k.

Those things can add up to 10-20 dollar an hour in my book.

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u/oxwearingsocks Jan 15 '22

Get off that mindset that it’s the public who need to stump up extra. It’s not us that should be boosting you to $30/hr. You should be getting a decent pay from your employer, not the generosity of strangers.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

The onus is put on the customer to subsidize the servers .And anyone who doesn't tow the line or balks at it will be told to suck it up buttercup because it is what pays the servers bills.I do tip forvgold service but only if it is good service.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

It’s not generosity, they literally served you with the understanding that you would pay them based on how good their service was. Maybe get off that broke mindset and stop complaining about having to pay people for their work.

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u/S01arflar3 Jan 15 '22

Why does the value of my meal determine how much I should pay you for bringing it over? If I take an hour to eat a salad then maybe your tip would be $3, if I take an hour to eat a particularly fancy lobster then maybe it’s more like $30. What have you done as a server to justify the extra $27?

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u/oxwearingsocks Jan 15 '22

No, they literally served you because it’s their job. Like how a Walmart attendant serves you, or a Home Depot cashier. It’s the job. The employee should get paid a fair wage by the owner. It’s not a broke mentality, it’s a normal mentality for anywhere this brainwashing US tipping culture hasn’t infested.

Go eat food in Spain, or Australia, or Japan, or wherever the fuck else and you pay what it says on the bill. If the employee goes above and beyond, as in something special, then tip away. If they do their job, pay for the food and go on your way.

If you’re seriously of the mindset that workers should be paying other workers wages, you’re on completely the wrong subreddit.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Are you in america?

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u/oxwearingsocks Jan 15 '22

I’ve lived in a dozen countries over the past few years, including some of those mentioned. Only in Mexico has tipping being expected.

I’m not in America now, but I have lived there years ago. And yes, I tipped. But the culture of tipping as an expectation is absolutely bonkers.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Thats fine you feel that way, but what you are arguing for will not work. Major restaurants have trued going the no-tipping route. Every single one reverted back.

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u/oxwearingsocks Jan 15 '22

I have no horse in the race. Doesn’t affect me. But you shouldn’t argue for it if you’re pro worker’s rights and seeking a fairer world. It’s an entire culture that’s normalised it, and you’re part of that normalisation. Check literally any other comment in this entire thread to see how the rest of the world sees this. Be the change you want in the world.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Tipping culture won’t be the first thing to change here..a living wage right now in the US isn’t a living wage. Thats why it sounds so crazy for yall to be calling for a pay decrease. US. restaurants can’t pay an actual living wage..hell most restaurants struggle to stay open. Of course waiters deserve better but this won’t be on the docket anytime soon.

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u/Butt_Sex_And_Tacos Jan 15 '22

They sound irrationally angry enough to be.

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 15 '22

No they served the customer ,it is in their job description. They should be doing the job they were hired to do .The customer came into the eatery wanting a nice meal and to relax and enjoy that meal.A tip is a gratuity and nothing more.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Maybe in your country…here it is the wage. Im sorry you can’t grasp that

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u/According_Gazelle472 Jan 17 '22

It is not the wage at all.It is a crooked and broken system that needs to be fixed .Servers complain they don't get the highest tips possible and people complain that the server's are dogging them and wanting more and more.

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u/Honestbabe2021 Jan 15 '22

This! I agree some make more w this model but there should be a law where they leave the shift w no less than xyz. Everyone bitches about texas but all the places I see offer 12-19/hour. The salad place pays 15/hour.

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u/Lo2us Jan 15 '22

Think we are gonna need details here.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Lol, like what?

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u/Lo2us Jan 15 '22

What type of restaurant, mom and pop shop or chain, the demographic. I feel you may been lucky, knew the owners?

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Worked in austin texas, i didnt work chains but they werent really mom and pop either..somewhere in the middle i guess. I know people still waiting there and they are bringing in 250-350 on thurs-sat working 8 hour shifts..hell bartending is where the money really was though. 400-600 a night working 6th street.

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u/Lo2us Jan 15 '22

Holy shit. I find it crazy that it could be so different between states, sounds like a solid company you were at. When we were in Australia the first evening dining out we tipped and seemed like an insult as if we thought they needed it. After that a sincere thank went further, this may sound silly now but we left a piece of the entree on a cleaned up plate for thanks to the chef.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Yeah ive only worked in texas doing service industry..totally different career now. I love what you did for the chefs..sweet but kinda hilarious

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u/Whiterabbit-- Jan 15 '22

he gets tips. and a few tables easily gets you $30/hr. the hourly pay doesn't even matter. say you wait on 3 tables an hour. cheap restaurant. you get $10 tip/table. $30 easy.

tipping is a great for waiters bad for cooks and other support staff.

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u/Stoned-Antlers Jan 15 '22

Yeah paychecks were usually zero..some places do have tip out for cooks and hosts. Those are usually higher end joints though.

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u/Lo2us Jan 15 '22

That’s horse shit tips should be split between everyone. It’s done in many countries.

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u/ancientrhetoric Jan 15 '22

And wages weren't even inflation adjusted. When I stayed in Wisconsin, Minnesota over summer 20 years ago the minimum wage was already $2.13.

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u/MRK-01 Jan 15 '22

Looks like Texas needs to vote in some people that care or at least pretend to care more about their constituents than their donors?

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u/doctorctrl Jan 15 '22

That explains the what and the how but not the why. The why is capitalism. Bottom line. Abuse of labour.

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u/bigdiesel1984 Jan 15 '22

Pennsylvania walks in

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u/RomulanWarrior Jan 30 '22

That's base pay for waitstaff in most states.

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u/AnarchistOwl Jan 15 '22

You don’t like the wages; find another job that actually takes time to learn