r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/sortaangrypeanut Jan 15 '22

As an American, two things can be true:

  • Tipping culture is absolutely horrible here. The fact that a waiter has to rely on tips to even barely scrape by is horrible. Employers should be held responsible for living wages, not the customer, and the customer should not have to give more than their bill says

  • Right now, waiters are legally paid less than minimum wage due to the assumption that they make up to a minimum wage with tips factored in. They depend on tips to scrape by. As it is right now, when you pay for food at a restaurant, you are only paying for the cooks, the bosses, and partially for the waitress's services. A tip is what pays for the rest of its services, so you should tip until it changes

The way tipping culture sucks doesn't change the fact that a waiter needs them to pay rent. You're only hurting your waiter when you don't tip. I don't know this person's circumstances, and I won't assume anything off a $77 order. I assume they're not homeless cuz they're paying with a card. So I think that, even if you're broke and get to treat yourself once a year, you should factor at least like idk $5 into what you're going to spend as a tip.

It's insulting to me that you think we want tipping culture to stay. We don't want it to stay, but individuals choosing to not tip isn't "sticking it to the man". It's not changing anything. If they can afford to tip and they don't, knowing that this is how waiters have to make a living, they're just a dick, man.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

First, servers should be paid a lot more than they currently are however if your hourly wage + tipped wage doesn’t equal the minimum wage, the employer is required to pay the server until their wage is the minimum wage. So servers aren’t paid less than minimum

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

That's the law, yes. In practice, this doesn't happen. Servers are paid less than minimum all the time.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

So we should fix that. Because tipping doesn’t stop an employer from taking the tips which happens as well. Many illegal things happen in practice

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

Of course we should fix that, but you should know, if someone doesn't tip a server, it's very unlikely that the restaurant is going to clock that and make up the difference.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

I would argue the server should then take out a loan or use their own money if they have the means to sue the restaurant. But that’s beside the point. An employer can just take tips so what’s the solution here

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

You're right, anything is possible.

The most likely scenario, by far, when you tip a server is that the server gets this money (after tipping out to the hostess and other staff). Employers stealing tips does happen, but it's uncommon.

The most likely scenario, by far, when you don't tip a server is that they don't get anything. Employers reimbursing servers that fall below the minimum might happen, but it's uncommon.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

Do you have stats that show stealing tips is less common than not adding the wage to equal minimum?

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

Sure don't.

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u/Ellie__1 Jan 15 '22

I know a lot of servers and have worked in restaurants.

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u/Far-Phrase-4690 Jan 15 '22

Sooo where did you get basically everything you wrote from?

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u/insertnamehere02 Jan 15 '22

You clearly don't understand how it works. Please exit the argument, as you have no place in this debate. 👋🏻