r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/doho121 Jan 14 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome

The fact that US service workers depend on tips is wrong. Employers should pay them a living wage.

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u/hyperbolic_retort Jan 15 '22

Yep. It's on the servers boss if they're not getting a livable wage.

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u/Quinn0Matic Jan 15 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome

Tipping should be illegal, and I say that as someone who relies on tips.

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

You see more and more fast food places asking for tips. Right now it’s fun and dandy while they get paid minimum or more. But the fast food pay enjoyment gonna change real fast when fast food restaurants get the legal slip to pay less than minimum cuz “tips are income and will justify it”

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u/deniercounter Jan 15 '22

In Denmark a McDonalds worker earns 22 USD per hour, 5 weeks paid holiday and paid parental leave from the beginning. So it is possible!

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u/Sckanksta Jan 15 '22

In Denmark you also doesn't pay a fortune just to see the doctor which counts for something 😁

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Denmark starting to sound pretty good…..

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u/Kortezxero Jan 15 '22

...that's what I'm sayin'

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u/Perssepoliss Jan 15 '22

Denmark has conscription

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u/MasculineCompassion Jan 15 '22

We are working on that, though

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u/Perssepoliss Jan 15 '22

Norway brought theirs back in due to Russia

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Which leads to a low crime rate! If EVERYONE went thru basic training learning how to handle a weapon properly and safely and when you get out, you keep the rifle…. No one wants to break into your house when everyone knows that EVERYONE has a rifle and sidearm in their house and knows how to use them.

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u/JessTheKitsune Anarcho-Syndicalist Jan 15 '22

I... Do I really need to explain why this is just not true?

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u/MasculineCompassion Jan 15 '22

No, it actually introduces more weapons into the underground market.

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u/BlueKante Jan 15 '22

They also founded trolltrace.com

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u/SnooGadgets5130 Jan 15 '22

Tjing tjang tjing nutillej

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u/Davido400 Jan 15 '22

Unfortunately they recently outlawed bestiality, shame that (do I need to put /s?)

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u/ReddityJim Jan 15 '22

Government over reach if I ever saw it.

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u/Big-Weather2703 Jan 15 '22

Government over reach around*

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u/Western_Entertainer7 Jan 15 '22

Also, you don't have to pay for much of a standing army, because the US military is the main deterant for anyone thinking of invading europe.

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u/Hitsuyu Jan 15 '22

As a Swede I’m obligated to hate Denmark, but I must admit it’s preferable to the US… probably

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Yeah until you make money.

Don't get me wrong. I love the possibilities we have here, but we pay too much in taxes and fees. The government has become to big and should go back to providing the basics needed for a good life (free healthcare, education and financial help if you lose your job)

I had a job once that after taxes gave me $80 more a month than if i collected welfare. That makes some people speculate in getting a disability check and then working some shady job that pays cash. If you do like that, you can work 20 hours a week and make more money than most people working fully legal.

We have made it to easy for people to just stay at home and don't contribute

Edit : It's funny, Everytime i explain that Denmark is really not perfect (even though I have lived here for 34 years) i get bombarded with downvotes....

I get that Scandinavia might seem like a perfect place for Americans , but it isn't.

It's better and more just than America, but far from perfect. You should seek a political system that lies somewhere in between where you are and where Europe is.

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u/xTrump_rapes_kidsx Jan 15 '22

If employers aren't willing to pay significantly more than welfare, they probably don't deserve to exist

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22

Well, Ikea is one of them and they certainly do exist. Deserve is not really something that is useful as a way of indicator of anything. Either you turn a profit and live on or you don't and die off.

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u/RaoulDuke511 Jan 15 '22

If employers can’t make a profit, they probably don’t deserve to exist*

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u/tosser88899 Jan 15 '22

Imagine for a moment life in the US. You might have the exact same lifestyle you have now and the exact same amount of money. But if you get sick? If you lose your job? If you were young and wanted to go to school?

You would live under the constant dread of it.

Life in the US can feel like you are balancing a sword upright with one hand while standing on a rug that a person is holding waiting to pull it out from under you.

More than half of us live only a few months from homelessness. The lucky are a year or two from it.

Does that happen in Denmark? Be honest. Still think high taxes are a burden?

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22

I know the struggles you face over there and I'm sorry you have to live like that. I can't imagine the stress.

That is why I think a model between American and European society would be a good solution. We need a healthy , competitive private sector but we also need safety from job loss and unforeseen medical expenses etc.

No it doesn't happen here. Fortunately. As high taxes as we pay? Abso-fucking-lutely!! As little as you guys pay? Absolutely to little. A healthy middle ground would be for the best. Don't forget that Europe has also piggy backed on security bc if anything happens here we expect USA to come help , so our military is pathetic and we absolutely cannot defend ourselves. So if USA doesn't have our back we would have to raise taxes even more.

The base tax rate is already 45%. If you earn somewhere around 80k$/year everything over that gets taxed progressively more up to 56% iirc. Everything you buy has 25% sales tax. If you want a car that is even more taxed. A shitty small new car can easily go for 60k $, that's not a Mercedes or an Audi that's just a small very basic car . If you want gasoline on that car you pay around 7$ for a gallon of fuel. If you want electricity that is around .5 $/kWh (65% of that price is....you guessed it.... Taxes)

If you WANT something in Denmark it's taxed at least 25% , and as you can see , if you NEED something it's taxed even more.

Around 28% of danish workers are also working for the government, so if they want a raise, they just vote for one of like 5 political parties that constantly wants to expand said government.

Can you really not see that too much government can become dangerous?

Of course we should offer everyone free education, medical services and a check to survive between jobs. We absolutely should do that! But we do so much more unnecessary than that. It's hard to fathom how big the government is here if you haven't lived here.

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u/RaoulDuke511 Jan 15 '22

This sub is full of people that think Europe is the solution to all their problems. Then they find out that everywhere has problems and they pay massive taxes and have way more xenophobic immigration and work visa requirements than America, lower corporate tax rates, and that their social welfare programs don’t scale to a population of 330 million people…Bernie bro syndrome.

When somebody contradicts their biased utopian narrative…they get kind of salty.

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u/tr0pheus Jan 16 '22

I don't know about the xenophobic immigration. Maybe we were more extreme 10 years ago than you guys. But the stories from ICE facilities are straight up the stuff from nightmares. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would separate children and parents

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Totally agree

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u/Stormseekr9 Jan 15 '22

Lots of things are free, but taxes are high. It is an expensive country though compared to let’s say a Western European country like NL/DE. Beautiful country, amazing people!

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u/GroguYoda_ Jan 15 '22

Oh? Take it from a Dane: that $44,000 McDonalds salary in Denmark would be reduced to $24,000 after taxes, and guess what? Denmark is also the most expensive place to live in the EU costing 30% more than the US. Congratulations, you have healthcare but are broke af and can't afford housing despite making 44 freaking grand per year.

People don't realize how expensive basic goods are in these countries with "free" healthcare. It's crippling to so many but it's a trade-off: would you like more of your money to invest or spend as you wish or would you prefer to have it withheld as a safety net? You're going to spend the same money regardless, nothing is free even in Scandinavian Healthcare systems. Easy/more relatable comparison: look how much computer parts cost in Canada and Australia vs the US. You pay considerably more for everything you buy and take home less pay. This is why, in these systems, wealth is very scarce - the systems themselves are designed to stifle success and oppress workers. That doesn't stop the Canadian housing market from spiraling out of control though, they " still get theirs" and here you are an average worker crushed by taxation and cost of goods and services, by design, with rising rent.

You have fewer options in these countries vs the US. They look great on the surface but the devil is in the details, always. Not that it's bad but it's definitely not an ideal fit for everybody and their populations, immigration policies and ethnic makeup shows it.

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u/Limp_Ad_7178 Jan 15 '22

How much are people paying in taxes to pay for all that

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u/peeps_hoe Feb 24 '22

denmark and just about every european country also has higher taxes so you don't really get alllllll the money from your paycheck...

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u/stingertc Feb 24 '22

yes but they also pass that price on to the customer too not excusing not paying well i am just saying i bet there dollar menu is very different than ours

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

But then.. you also have to live in Denmark..

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u/1-badfrog Jan 15 '22

Unless you count 60%of your earnings as not a fortune

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u/zitoboy Jan 15 '22

Um, I pay $11 a week In Mass for health/dental full coverage. Tf you talking about

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u/accountonmyphone_ Jan 15 '22

You think $572 per year is what the average American pays for health and dental coverage? Oh honey, bless your heart

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u/Willy_Tingler Jan 15 '22

As someone from the UK, I hear a lot about things being really great in Denmark, especially the level of wages. But then I also hear people say things like “yes but the cost of living is also very high.” Is this true? Or is it just a myth? What is the cost of living like in Denmark?

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u/deniercounter Jan 15 '22

Have a look at the BigMac-Index. You will find the link in the comments. Regarding cost of living your question is too unspecified - Manhattan or Springfield as comparison?

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u/Willy_Tingler Jan 16 '22

Thank you I’ll take a look. I was thinking in comparison to UK. And suppose just looking for the basic monthly outgoings e.g. cost of housing, cost of utilities, mobile phone, public transport, groceries, dining out. I’ll check out the Index. Thanks.

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u/skynetnord Jan 15 '22

About the same and n Australia mate too🤙🇦🇺🌄

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u/Honestbabe2021 Jan 15 '22

Wow that’s awesome, America is so barbaric.

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u/cookiemonstah87 Jan 15 '22

I actually just started working at Starbucks in the US. My pay isn't that high, but the company as a whole is moving to paying everyone a minimum of $15/hr and adjusted higher for more expensive areas by this summer. Even as part time, we get 2 weeks paid vacation, paid sick time, 2 paid isolation periods per quarter in case of covid, healthcare benefits, and other things I'm not remembering at the moment. It's even possible in the US! Other companies just don't want it to be.

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

Had no idea, but that’s good! Not arguing fast food workers shouldn’t be paid well, I’m more concerned with if the obligation to tip should be the way to make that happen. Does Denmark have a strong tip etiquette presence? I ask cuz American service and food industries tend to avoid paying at least minimum because of the obligation of tip standards here

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u/Mountain-Dane Jan 15 '22

From my experince, it is rare for us danes to tip restaurant workers etc. Their wages are decent enough to make a living on, but a tip does occur from time to time.

Source: used to work at a danish Steakhouse, made 17usd/hour base wage. Got evening and weekend pay on top of that as well.

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u/Triquestral Jan 15 '22

Yeah, tips are definitely voluntary in DK. My husband and I usually tip, but it’s usually like 5-10% and they’re still often surprised and happy.

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u/BamseMae Jan 15 '22

Dane here, no we don't. We don't really tip. Only if service is exceptional.

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u/Nyohn Jan 15 '22

In sweden we don't tip in fast food redtaurants, most people order via app or screens anyway so you can't even tip. On other restaurants and bars it's possible to tip but it's usually not too much. Plus there's the fact that most people don't use cash anymore so I'm not certain how the tips are distributed to the workers.

I know some places just split every shifts tips among the workers that shift and add it to their paycheck but not sure if that's standard or not

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u/Donald12020 Jan 15 '22

Good to know thank you for that

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u/Van-garde Jan 15 '22

Denmark is better at McDonaldzing than the USA.

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u/Boofeyboy Jan 15 '22

I imagine in store items are more expensive

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u/deniercounter Jan 15 '22

No, look at the BigMac-Index.

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u/foryourtrashonly Jan 15 '22

You know any singles???? 👀

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u/oldnwise65 Jan 15 '22

Thats all good, but what do they in taxes??

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u/deniercounter Jan 15 '22

In this income bandwidth you don’t pay taxes, but social security for all of your neighbors aka Danishes. And if you loose your job these payments finance you till you find a new one.

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u/Temporary_Run_6871 Jan 15 '22

😱🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯😱

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u/zentoast Jan 15 '22

Yeah a while back I used to work at Sonic, and one day corporate decided all the carhops were gonna start getting tip wage. Luckily I was a manager by then, but considering most folks don’t know you should tip at Sonic it was a certain kind of hell for the folks who worked with me.

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u/something6324524 Jan 15 '22

luckly things seem to be going more towards if the company doesn't want to pay for workers they don't get workers in recentt imes.

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u/Dianthor Jan 15 '22

As far as I understand, tipped employees are still guaranteed at least minimum wage, no? If the value of their tips is less than the threshold to reach minimum wage the employer is obliged to pay the difference. Does this not occur?

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u/starfreeek Jan 15 '22

Yes employers are legally required to make up the difference between what the tipped employee makes and the state min wage if it is less that pay period. That being said min wage is way to low in most places.

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u/Usedtabe Jan 15 '22

Legally required and what actually happens are two different things. Many waitstaff have been let go when trying to get their management to do their part.

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u/Super_Nisey Jan 15 '22

Yep when I waitressed I was taught to always put my tips at a fixed amount, regardless if I actually received that much

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u/Negative_Handoff Jan 15 '22

Federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2.13/hour, that's all employers are required to pay unless the state has instituted a higher minimum wage for tipped employees(it has to specifically state tipped employees, since that is how the Federal minimum wage law is written, and it was written that way at the insistence of the hospitality industry).

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u/Perfect_Line8384 Jan 15 '22

No, they get paid the tipped minimum + tips, or the state minimum wage. Whichever is higher.

If the tips don’t add up to over the states minimum wage for that pay period, the employer is required to pay the difference.

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u/gorgofdoom Jan 15 '22

‘Hospitality industry’

I think you misspelled corrupt politicians

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u/starfreeek Jan 19 '22

I posted a link to the contest higher up. No one in the country is legally allowed to be paid less than th fed min wage. Examples of company's doing it just means the company is willing to break the law.

https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/15-flsa-tipped-employees#:~:text=Tipped%20employees%20are%20those%20who,%2430%20per%20month%20in%20tips.&text=The%20employer%20is%20prohibited%20from,of%20a%20valid%20tip%20pool

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u/Jetboywasmybaby Jan 15 '22

In California we get regular state minimum wage + tips. But because other states tax the fuck out of tips they drop down the wage to make up for what they make in tips to average the minimum wage

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u/boxerbumbles77 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Tipped workers have a separate minimum wage, in my state it's $3.63 an hour. That means a whole day's work couldn't get a meal at Five Guys

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u/bd01000101 Jan 15 '22

there is still a federal minimum wage, no matter what. yes minimum wage for service is different because of tips but if you don't make minimum wage with tips they are required to pay federal minimum wage

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u/Usedtabe Jan 15 '22

Y'all love to quote this like it happens as it should. Lots of times they don't pay and just fire anyone who reminds them of the law because muh "right to work" state. And before you even come at it with a legal standpoint I dare you to consider the person not even getting $7.25/hr is going to be able to afford an attorney.

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u/ShrimGods Jan 15 '22

Where TF is this?

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u/boxerbumbles77 Jan 15 '22

My bad. It's actually $3.63, which is loads better, I'll edit my comment.

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u/idriveachickcar Jan 15 '22

Minimum wage is miserably low.

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

As a former waitress who watched this happen to her coworkers, if you work in an "At-Will" state, asking your boss to bump your pay to min. wage in accordance with the law will get you fired immediately.

At-Will employment means you can be let go at any time for any reason and the Employer does not have to disclose it. Usually, though, they would, and they would say "High performing workers get tips, low performing workers do not. Lack of tips is evidence of lack of work. Fired for poor performance."

Something like over 40 states in the US have At-Will employment.

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u/bernardcat Jan 15 '22
  1. Montana is the only state that is not.

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u/philrelf Jan 15 '22

I'm guessing it's averaged out of for the week, not on a hourly or daily basis. So some hours they earn a dollar but for the week they are making $25 per hour so employer doesn't make up for those $1 hours.

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u/GodMeyer here for the memes Jan 15 '22

I don’t know, but I know that I was paid 5$ an hour and got a split on tips when I was a busboy. My tips were never really more than 20$ for a 6 hour shift. That means I was paid 50$ for a 6 hour shift most times, I don’t remember my boss ever making up the difference because that seems much less than minimum wage. I’ve since quit tho.

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u/robembe Jan 15 '22

In US, NO! Some are paid as low as $2.50/hr

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u/TequilaAndJazz Jan 17 '22

You're being sucked into the neocoon mindset of looking at things from the perspective of a consumer instead of the perspective of a worker. Don't fuck over workers because you don't like tipping. Fight for legislation.

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u/TequilaAndJazz Jan 19 '22

I'm sure you'll get very far in life not caring about other people though. Good luck man.

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u/InquisitiveBoba Jan 15 '22

The only place id tip would be at hooters

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u/TequilaAndJazz Jan 15 '22

But right now everyone should tip at sonic because if you don’t you’re just fucking over the workers, not the managers or corporate tools.

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u/Subject_6 Jan 15 '22

It is not the customers' job to subsidize managements shitty behavior. This will only encourage them further as they see they can get away with it.

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u/BankshotMcG Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

But you probably shouldn't go to Sonic if you bone over the employees to prove a point management will never become aware of.

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u/Subject_6 Jan 15 '22

Oh I won't even if I physically could. Worst thing would be going there and not tipping in that case yes.

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u/TequilaAndJazz Jan 15 '22

You’re only fucking over individual servers and if you don’t care then you’re just as bad as the management

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u/Subject_6 Jan 15 '22

And helping management fuck over even more servers... If you don't see this problem then I cannot help.

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u/DigitalSheikh Jan 15 '22

Butttt, that just perpetuates the cycle- if people tipped, the system would work, and it would become permanent. If they didn’t, all sonic’s workers would leave (they mostly did), and they would raise wages (def also did)

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u/Bauglir1 Jan 15 '22

As someone who’s daughter worked at sonic briefly right before Covid, at that time they had not raised wages. It was still like 3 something an hour plus tips.

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u/Dahnlen Jan 15 '22

No, the workers need to talk to a lawyer.

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u/TequilaAndJazz Jan 15 '22

No you need to not be a douche

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u/Dahnlen Jan 15 '22

If everyone starts tipping at sonic they will say it works this way

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u/iloveartichokes Jan 15 '22

Nope. Workers should either start a union or quit.

Other jobs don't start asking for tips if their boss reduces their pay. They ask for more money or they quit.

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u/TequilaAndJazz Jan 17 '22

Tip people who work for tips. If you want to fix it then fix it through legislation. Not by making a less than minimum wage worker miss paying their phone bill.

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u/Delicious_Payment_22 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I used to work at sonic and got paid $5 an hour plus tips, this was back in like in 2010 though. But I normally tip at sonic if they are pleasant, because it can be kind of hard work especially if you work at a busy store. I assumed it was like that everywhere. And then if we forgot or lost our name tag or apron we had to get a new one for like 5-10 dollars, no borrowing one or going back. Plus the carhops do more than just bring your food, we were always required to do something, pick up trash, clean disgusting bathroom, make the little condiment packs. Our minimum wage in TX is only 7.25 has been for years and isn’t going up. It’s definitely not a livable wage, so if nobody tipped me (like I read in the comments) and I only made $5/hr that would be crazy. & good luck trying to get any more money out of them to make up the difference. On top of the fact you can’t tip on a card so if u don’t have cash on you, there’s no way to tip. & We had to pay for our food, uniforms, everything. Im far from rich but my whole life I have always been a giving person and tipped accordingly and to me it always comes back and I get blessed in return. Majority of people i know who are stingy tippers and in general don’t ever seem to prosper. I believe you get what you give. And I can only imagine how much worse it is now with the worker shortage. I was at Burger King the other day and the line was taking forever, I would have left hadn’t I been blocked in, so I get to the front an hour later and I’m pissed off, late to work, starving, lol. I ask the young man what’s taking so long & he said it’s just me here, I look past him and sure enough he was the only one working doing everything. So keep that in mind, times are hard for everyone but we need to show appreciation to those that do choose to show up to these minimum or lower wage jobs, when so many more aren’t.

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u/SmallHandsKev Jan 19 '22

You’ve obviously never worked a day in the service industry in your entire life and probably are some high-end middle class trust fund turd.

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u/AnonymousPineapple5 Jan 15 '22

TIL I’ve been an asshole every time I’ve ever been to Sonic

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u/MarkTNT Jan 15 '22

I'd say Sonic have been assholes every time you've been there, you already pay for the products, they should be paying their own staffs wages.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I don’t think that’s the intended take away

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u/AnonymousPineapple5 Jan 15 '22

No, it’s all about me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '22

And that’s fair

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u/karmannsport Jan 15 '22

No you haven’t. You don’t fucking tip at fast food places. Tipping culture is so fucking out of hand in this country it’s ridiculous. I’m already paying for a service. I shouldn’t be expected to give extra because its your actual income. Tipping is supposed to be because “Damn! You REALLY went above and beyond what was expected!” If what I’m paying for the service isn’t enough for the service…then the service provider should be charging what the service is worth. I fucking hate tip culture in the US.

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u/aerowtf Jan 15 '22

fuck that. If i’m still paying $10 for a shitty burger, i’m not tipping a fast food server. Lower your prices then. sheesh. Never even thought of tipping a sonic employee tf

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u/IWillKarateKickYou Jan 15 '22

I give them a dollar usually cause i feel bad when i heard they are on the 2.13 an hour or whatever but you are right. Their prices are already ridiculous for freezer food or a cheeseburger they should be able to pay staff

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u/ThighMommy Jan 15 '22

That... shouldn't matter. Unless they were making > minimum wage beforehand, then they're getting screwed

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u/Every-holes-a-goal Jan 15 '22

Even then, fuck minimum wage. Lovable wage to actually enjoy life a little should be the lowest

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u/zentoast Jan 15 '22

“Shouldn’t” is definitely the operative word here

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u/bea_corrine Jan 15 '22

I didn't know you were supposed to tip at Sonic until I started working there. Thank goodness we got normal minimum wage at least. I would usually only make like $10 in tips after a 5-hour shift.

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u/karmannsport Jan 15 '22

You’re not. Sonic are the assholes here. They just tried to fluff their minimum wage service job by saying, “oh but you make tips as well!” This is why you only got $10/shift. Not to be cynical but even for that $10, you were probably very pleasant and good at your job and/or attractive. I had never known this about sonic. As good as their tots are, they can fuck right off.

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u/newishdm Jan 15 '22

Oh, so all of the employees got a minimum wage anyway even though no tips are being received? Because that’s literally how a tipped minimum wage works.

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u/aerowtf Jan 15 '22

yea…? it could’ve been that they were making $9/hr and then went to tip wage, so they end up making less, and it’s basically impossible to ever make more than minimum wage if nobody ever tips?

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u/ApprehensiveChange47 Jan 15 '22

I worked there when that switch happened! Turns out (at the time at least) it was only the corporate locations. Locations that were a franchise didn't change to that. This was back in like, 2009ish though, so things may have changed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

And that’s just another reason why unions are great

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

When was this? Because one day about two years ago every single worker at the Sonic in my town walked out with no notice, didn't even lock up or shut down, just abandoned the building for the day.

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u/sc00ney Jan 15 '22

I've not heard of tip wage before so sorry if this is a stupid question, but is it the employer saying your tips will pay as much of a proportion of your legal minimum wage as possible, and then if it doesn't hit that I'll make up the rest? That is fucking insane.

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u/Ohlulu1093 Jan 15 '22

You’re supposed to tip at sonic?!? Omg I feel horrible now I live in an area that doesn’t have sonic and I randomly saw one last week and got food. I gave the kid who was there some random cash I had since he had to skate but I didn’t realize he was dependent on it I would have given more. I feel so bad now! I’ve literally only been to sonic twice and had absolutely no clue!

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u/Camarokerie Jan 15 '22

Your supposed to tip at Sonic?

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u/MelbourneBanana Jan 15 '22

As in “the hedgehog?”

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u/Soggy-You-2300 Jan 15 '22

I was manager at sonic too. Probably one of the worst fast food jobs I've have ever worked in my life.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

No wonder I get the stink eye when I don’t tip. Who carries cash anymore?

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u/Psychological-Joke22 Jan 15 '22

I bet that made the shareholders happy

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u/simbaismylittlebuddy Jan 15 '22

I bought prepared sushi today from the mall food court, literally selected it out of the self serve fridge and handed it to the cashier. She gave me napkins and chopsticks that’s it, the terminal asked me for a tip, uh fuck no. And I always tip 20% but that’s a line too far.

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u/sam_sneed1994 Jan 15 '22

This week I bought a couple of t-shirts online and after I approved the purchase it sent me to another screen where it asked me if I would like to leave a $3 tip. The world gone mad with asking for tips for just about anything now.

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u/riflinraccoon Jan 15 '22

The only time I got asked for a tip online after making a purchase (so far) was when I made a purchase from a small niche company that made products for an undeserved community. I did tip bc I'm greatful for their company and the work they do. But a t-shirt? Gtfoh.

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u/simbaismylittlebuddy Jan 15 '22

WhAat!? That’s obscene. Who would you be tipping? The fucking algorithm?

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u/sportacus69er Jan 15 '22

I hope you said no

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u/sam_sneed1994 Jan 16 '22

I did indeed. I was seriously shocked by it. I had to ask a couple people if they had experienced it before and no one seemed to have seen it before. Sign of the times? i sure hope not.

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u/sportacus69er Jan 17 '22

Let’s hope not - I certainly won’t be tipping after buying a shirt though…

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u/Daladain Jan 15 '22

I bought a t-shirt from a coffee shop in ann arbor Michigan. tshirt was like $25. My friends then girlfriend was working there at the time. I paid th $25 plus tax and she yelled at me for not tipping. I was like, the girl got it off the hook for me, its over priced, and you expect me to tip?

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u/Resident-Science-525 at work Jan 15 '22

If you want a sign that tipping culture has reached peak ridiculousness...

To-go orders want tips. Drive thrus want tips. Cashier stands want tips.

But keep in mind that is put in place by EMPLOYERS who will most likely pocket that money. It is rich employers getting richer.

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u/SnooPeripherals1595 Jan 15 '22

To go orders should get tips. A lot of the time people making your to-go orders in a restaurant are making $2 an hour. The maximum wage I've heard of for a to-go person is $4.50. they place your order they put everything together and make sure everything is right and they bring it to you at your car. And even if they're not bringing it to your car, they still deserve some kind of tip for doing all that for you. That's how they survive.

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u/Resident-Science-525 at work Jan 15 '22

Point made.

I live in California so those types of workers make at least minimum wage. My view was myopic and lacking context.

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u/Random_Username311 Jan 15 '22

The tip is for the waitstaff/bus/bar back/bartender, the chefs and kitchen staff should be paid by the resturant owner.

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u/HumbleFishMonger Jan 16 '22

Did you hear that on Trump's way out there was apparently a change in the law in who could count as tippable staff? I believe it was a big name like Chili's or Applebee's changed to that system where back of house staff like the cooks are now tipped and pay was cut to reflect that. So now your server can get even less of that tip than before.

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u/HumbleFishMonger Jan 16 '22

Aren't to go preppers usually just typical waiters that get stuck with a shitty shift where people tend not to tip?

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u/Random_Username311 Jan 15 '22

This is insane, you get a to-go order and the hostess/host who walks 6 feet to grab your bag and have you sign a receipt gives you a dirty look if you don’t tip.

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u/Advanced-Prototype Jan 15 '22

Yeah, I don’t get that. They aren’t adding any value whatsoever. It’s basically digital panhandling.

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u/UrLate4Tea Jan 15 '22

I went into a take and bake pizza place the other day. They make commonly ordered pizzas ahead of time, wrap them, and place them in a cooler at front of shop for you to take up and carry out. This place is in a very very low cost of living place in the US (we bought a 4bed/3 bath in the best neighborhood, 2,800 sq. Ft. Extremely nice quality finishes for under $160k) and the shop pays the employees $15/hr.

They recently updated the credit card machines to prompt for a tip. Even the cashier was embarrassed. She said, "OH, that's new. You can just click there to decline."

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

I get the sentiment, but is there a chance the employees are the ones preparing and packaging the sushi? Like at the sushi stations at Sprouts, Trader Joes, Hy-Vee, etc.? They have "Grab n' Go" prepackaged sushi, but the "cashier" at the kiosk prepares and packages the items in their downtime (you can also have them make requests fresh).

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u/flat6cyl Jan 15 '22

Even so, why would that be tipped?

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

For making and preparing sushi? If she's being paid tipped wages and is preparing sushi by hand, I think that it's fairer to ask for a tip than if she's a cashier being paid cashier wages. Just because tipping culture sucks, doesn't mean you shouldn't tip people when there's no better alternative. Until things change, she can't pay her rent with your ideals.

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u/Terrible-Option-1603 Jan 15 '22

Even if there is a sushi prep employee doing the work, what are the chances this said tip would be given to her/himif the cashier is the one logged into the register? None.

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u/Cloberella Jan 15 '22

Fair, the tips probably get split evenly among everyone, that's how my local coffee shop handles it.

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u/helmepll Jan 15 '22

Just because a tip is asked for does not mean someone is getting tipped wages. It is generally impossible to know who is and who isn’t getting tipped wages at jobs like this. That is a major reason tipping should be replaced with a living wage. There is too much unfairness and guess work involved with tipping.

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u/flat6cyl Jan 15 '22

I tip well when I know people are being payed the unfortunate tipped wages. It’s definitely not clear that this is the case here, or who that tip money would even go to - it seems more like a part of “tip creep”, where these prompts show up for all sorts of dumb things. I was dropping off film for development the other day, and a tip prompt appeared at the cash register.

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u/Meyou52 Jan 15 '22

As someone who does a bunch of work for delivery services and therefore makes most of my money on tips, I’m never tipping a fast food restaurant. That’s insulting. If they get to the point where that offsets paying their employees I don’t think they’re going to have workers/stay open very much longer.

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u/todjbrock Jan 15 '22

Well, many ppl don’t know if tip + wage doesn’t meet or exceed minimum wage, the restaurants are obligated to make up the difference. Yes, not the best thing, but the servers ARE legally guaranteed at least minimum…

Whether that’s enough or not for what they do is another conversation, of course

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u/International_Act299 Jan 15 '22

I used to work at restaurant a long time ago. Worked 3 years. Never got a check stub. Comes to find out. They was saying I was making tips that I didn’t. Bc if my (tips and 2.13<7.25) then they would have to come out of pocket. So management every week would. And adjust everyone’s amount of declared tip. Bc as a tip employee u had to declare ur tips at the end of ur shift. Personal experience

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u/todjbrock Jan 15 '22

Umm… that sounds like straight scam? Minimum ($2.whatever-depending-on-state) is your regardless. They don’t get to stick you on $7.25 and collect tip. By law, owners are NOT allowed to pocket tips if they have any kind of server employees period.

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u/Tiresiasksksk Jan 15 '22

If this happens, will American people accept without a fight? And if so, do we deserve our fate? Is our fate “worth it”? The American worker seems happy to put up with much abuse, I begin to wonder if it isn’t all some strange BDSM kink.

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u/-smartypints Jan 15 '22

I will never tip at fast food, and I always tip at least 20% when I eat out. Often more if my bill is pretty small.

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u/qoning Jan 15 '22

My biggest problem with this is that the line of what's fast food can become pretty blurry. I simply tip if I'm getting service throughout my stay and I'm not required to handle my own stuff. Like if I'm at a coffee place that has a window but you can sit down after you got your order, that's not a tip situation.

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

I do too and i kinda wanna say no cuz I’m feeding the beast of tip wage by contributing. But if I say no I also feel like an asshole, especially in places like Dutch Bros where they ask how much you wanna tip on the tablet but don’t let you press it. Like sure, lemme just announce that I don’t want to tip thanks.

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u/Conscious_Bug5408 Jan 15 '22

Have to fight it. Those square tablets asking how much you want to tip are going everywhere now. They will make their way to your oil change shop, grocery stores, and start asking for tips at best buy and target soon.

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u/BurntPoptart Jan 15 '22

And I will continue tapping no tip every time I see it.

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u/qoning Jan 15 '22

Better yet if you have to actually put in 0.00. Gives me extra satisfaction for telling you to fuck off for trying to guilt me.

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u/jajanaklar Jan 15 '22

How about hospitals, firefighters and police? I mean when somebody save your life he certainly deserves a tip!

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u/Classic_Beautiful973 Jan 15 '22

It's a difficult job in multiple ways. Just back of house restaurant work is tiring enough, adding in the emotional element of customer service is brutal at times on a frequent basis. I don't feel obligated so much as it's like my duty as a food industry veteran to tip. I just go out less if I can't afford to tip significantly. I cook well anyway, and it's like 1/3 the cost to eat in

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

One of the top things that kills me is just that, there’s no character development. You are told essentially to write the review before you see the movie, to go on the date before you see the tinder profile, to sign before you see the house. And even when the food arrives you’ve still only spent the time at the register so tipping out of merit and service excellence is out of question. It’s 100% a social obligatory construct effort. The question is will we be able to subdue the damage to the fast food worker and industry these tip wages pose.

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u/tacorunnr Jan 15 '22

I think In N Out starts 15 and goes up to 20

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

Correct, and they did that without making tips part of the payment process. If they can do any other fast food could too

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u/xTurkishBruvx Jan 15 '22

Way i see it you earned those fucking tips. Pay the living fucking wage. And if they earn tips its a reflection of how good their service is. I tip in the UK but thats genuinely because Im happy with the service. And sometimes my mates can be boisterous, so ill give a tip for putting up with my mates jokes. For example the waitress asked my mate “how did you find your steak?” My mate replied “i just looked next to the potatoes and there it was” shit like that.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I see it everywhere where I live. Coffee shops, chipotle and similar restaurants, mom and pop restaurants, boba tea 🧋 shops, etc…

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u/t_wop-_- Jan 15 '22

I went to subway the other day as it asked if I wanted to tip the lady when I checked out I was like for what doing your job and making my sub like don’t you get a decent hourly rate? And the lady was rude asf I was like hell no

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u/Back_Action Jan 15 '22

When the staff is rude, it makes the decision making so much easier!

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u/Tacklas Jan 15 '22

A slip-ery slope

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u/hunt35744 Jan 15 '22

I refuse to tip places like subway or McDonald’s and it’s he like. If it’s sit down, absolutely I tip unless you really piss me off but even then I tip just not the 20%+ I normally do. I do agree that tips should not exist at all.

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u/MediocreCelebration2 Jan 15 '22

Don’t forget job ads on indeed that will post a wage and then not tell you until the interview that your flat rate is actually less than that and the wage they posted is what you “should” make with tips/commission. Like no that’s manipulative as shit post the flat rate or I’m walking out of the interview.

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u/theRealBerj Jan 15 '22

i love the tip jars at starbucks. you want me to tip for ringing up my order? really??

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u/engineerFWSWHW Jan 15 '22

I went for an emission test lately (US), at the end of the test, they handed me an ipad with all the bill details and my signature required. I saw that there is a tip selection and it is preselected at 20%. The tipping is getting out of hand.

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u/Hinichii Jan 15 '22

Even in some drive throughs I’ve seen mention of tipping and I’m really confused about that one

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u/xthemoonx Jan 15 '22

But the fast food pay enjoyment gonna change real fast when fast food restaurants get the legal slip to pay less than minimum cuz “tips are income and will justify it”

its already like that in ontario canada. servers have a lower min wage than the rest of us. its lower than student min wage.

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u/AppropriateLeg8988 Jan 15 '22

A lot of states don’t even have that rule anymore, like California. They make the regular minimum wage plus tips. So they make $15 plus tips and I see you guys advocating for what I assume is $15 with no tips. That’s shitty. No extra money for acting like your little servant lap dog.

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u/weegee Jan 15 '22

Couple times a month I’ll get a subway sandwich for lunch near work. I definitely give a couple of bucks as a tip every time since I know they’re not making much with so few workers in offices these days. And they both make great sandwiches so I appreciate that too. #everylittlebithelps

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u/Big_Pizza_6229 Jan 15 '22

I agree. The reality is that servers don’t get paid a fair wage without tips. Knowing that, it seems like a lot of people in this thread don’t tip because it’s not their problem, the employer should be paying more, etc. I don’t understand how you could contribute to a server being unable to afford the basics by not tipping on takeout if you believe in workers’ rights. Practice what you preach ya’ll.

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u/longtimegoneMTGO Jan 15 '22

But the fast food pay enjoyment gonna change real fast when fast food restaurants get the legal slip to pay less than minimum cuz “tips are income and will justify it”

You can't just say it, the workers still have to actually make enough tips to hit the real minimum wage.

Tipped minimum wage is just a minimum that the employer does need to pay regardless of how much you get in tips, if you don't get enough tips to bring your total wages up to the actual minimum wage the employer is required to make up the difference.

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