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So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Erect_Llama Jan 15 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy

One of the biggest things in America I'll never understand is why tipping is so important. Like why tf can't the server's get paid a decent wage? Why do they live off of tips?

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u/meghammatime19 Jan 15 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Save the restaurant a pretty penny 必必必必必必

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u/Kind_Man_0 Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Saves A LOT of them.

Typical paycheck for a full time waitress is about $60 or so. Let's run the math from dinner rush to close.

That is $12 for a full night's wages, Given that the cook making the meals gets paid about $14/hr that puts us at $84, so $96 for the pair of them

One waitress where I worked could have waited about 70 tables til close,

I wasn't in charge of food purchasing, but a typical meal for 4 was simple; most sides were ready made for the night, only entrees were consistently cooked to order. So at roughly $30 dollars for a table of 2, we will run that at 2.5 per table to account for larger groups. Over the course of the rush, we could serve about 300 tables in a night BUT we will consider only that one waitress and cook for this math. At $30 per table, your restaurant made $2100 off the labor of those two employee

Takes out food costs, which is about 1/4 of it, you just made a profit $1479

Pay our hardworking wait staff what the deserve in this country.

YES, I know I am not calculating in rent and other restaurant expenses. I am making a point of how the backbone of a functioning restaurant earns the lowest overhead cost.

Let me add to this a second time since some people are mad at me for not considering the other expenses.

I laid down the basic math for how much money can be made during a 6 hour shift from 5-11. This is not how much profit you are making, this is REVENUE GENERATED per employee.

Yes, if I wait tables and I go in for 6 hours, bust out 60 tables at $5 a piece, that is decent income. But it doesn't happen every night. And you don't go home right after the restaurant closes.

Most restaurants are going to have you helping shut down after close for $2.13/hr and there are no customers to tip you.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

I like where the cooks make 14 flat and are doing more labor.

I didn't say servers don't work hard but the work required to cook that much often goes unappreciated in these posts.

Let's include all restaurant workers. Corporate spots don't tip cooks ever

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u/Abbaddonhope Jan 15 '22

Cant they just pay everyone involved more

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u/Lonely_Animator4557 Jan 15 '22

They could but that could decrease profits and decrease stock value which would anger the investors and cause them to switch cfo or ceo or some other multi million dollar position which they cant

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

Most restaurants aren't publicly traded and have no obligation to stock holders. It's purely the restaurant owner being a greedy sociopath most of the time lmao

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u/Lonely_Animator4557 Jan 15 '22

Still feeds into the point that the people in charge of the company are looking out for themselves Publicly traded companies take this a step further by shifting blame away from the money hoarding c level execs to the stock holders which in the USA something like 10% of the population owns 90% of the stock market

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u/goldenopal42 Jan 15 '22

Theyre usually working with some kind of borrowed/invested money though. If only for accounting purposes. That money will move to a different industry where the employees can be exploited better.

Sad fact of American capitalism is the best way to ensure your service person gets paid enough to continue to perform the service you want is to give them the money directly.

I am not saying its a great system, but I dont understand why people are so put off by it either.

I dont want to pay you. The one I am interacting with. The one here actually doing the work for me. I want to pay your boss and let him figure out what you should earn.

Why? I dont get it.

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 16 '22

I dont want to pay you. The one I am interacting with. The one here actually doing the work for me. I want to pay your boss and let him figure out what you should earn.

Why? I dont get it.

Well, on its own, I can see why one wouldn't trust their boss with money that would otherwise be handed directly to workers via tips. But now imagine a unionized restaurant with high base wages for servers. Isn't that the ultimate goal with an antiwork movement? Unions, higher base wages, income stability and protections? Without tipped wages, your income becomes dependent on the number of hours you put in and not how lucky you get with your tables (which makes it more stable), you're incentivized to pick up the slack for your coworkers if they're struggling or overwhelmed, and the consumer can more accurately gage how much their dinner will cost them.

Realistically, servers should be paid a base wage alongside a union-negotiated quarterly profit sharing that is outlined very carefully in a contract.

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u/Abbaddonhope Jan 15 '22

Yeah treating your workers like their people decreases stock value

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Cmon lad chin up, thats what this whole movement is about.

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u/marker_dinova Jan 15 '22

It goes much further than that. Sometimes we talk about investors like a round table of Illuminati shrouded in shadows. But the reality is that if we own 401Ks, IRAs, any index fund, or even some Insurance products, we are have a seat at that round table. If we dont see that graph pointing upwards for a few quarters/years, were calling up our financial advisers. Sometimes its even automated. Our entire economy is based on forcing every business to grow continually. When they cant do it organically theyll do it any way possible: reduce quality and/or screw their employees. Its unsustainable because infinite growth doesnt exist.

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u/NumerousHelicopter6 Jan 15 '22

不不不 decrease the stock value.....as if all restaurants are corporate

It wouldn't decrease profits it would most likely increase them. Think about it if you force the restaurant to pay $20 an hour and the restaurant averages forty $12 burgers an hour, they do this with two servers both with 4 table sections and they were paying them $4 per hour. So that's an increase of $16 per hour X 2 = $32. Now that the owner has to come up with an additional $32 an hour just to maintain, do you think he adds a dollar to the burger, or do you think he only marks up the exact amount to cover the expense? We both know what happens here whether we agree with it or not.

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u/machen2307 Jan 15 '22

Lol big olive garden would like to have a word

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u/NumerousHelicopter6 Jan 15 '22

Again this isn't a 1 restaurant thing if the government says they all have to pay it makes it much easier for them all to add a buck.

What makes you think restaurants don't raise prices whenever needed? Have you ordered chicken wings in the last 6 months?

The mistake most restaurants make when they need to increase profits is cutting. They cut down on staff and they also cut down on the quality of the product. This almost always ends up in a shitty restaurant.

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u/Abbaddonhope Jan 15 '22

Its more likely he gets rid of a server then slowly lose money over time. Marking up the food would make people less likely to eat there

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u/NumerousHelicopter6 Jan 15 '22

It would be both, remember it's not just one restaurant that would be forced to pay, they all would have to. You could make the argument that some would decrease the portion size to make up the difference. In some cases that wouldn't be a bad thing.

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u/Abbaddonhope Jan 15 '22

Yeah. So I consider most restaurants portions disproportionate in comparison to the price

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u/vaguecentaur Jan 15 '22

Come on. Just think about your own figures for a minute. 0.5 million restaurant is not serving a population base of 330~million. Especially of you've ever been to a small town. Virtually every town over 1000 has one small diner/restaurant not counting the subway or McDonald's that's also in the same town.

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u/vaguecentaur Jan 15 '22

Huh, well turns out I'm wrong on this one. To be honest I did no actual math just seemed like 500, 000 seemed really low. And then I estimated based on my own anecdotal experiences. After reading your source I have to say you are right on this one. Still sounds low though. I suppose, since those stats are from 2018 the numbers are even lower now.

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u/inversewd2 Jan 16 '22

It would mean the CEO can't buy his third yacht this year

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u/sporifix Jan 15 '22

So you are willing to pay more for your meal if its included in the price, but not if you have to add it as a tip? Im not sure what the logic here is - if tipping were eliminated and wages went up, the cost of the meal would rise commensurately. Youre still paying extra for the service - you just dont get to choose how much or how little you pay as you do with a tip.

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u/pancitoyorugua Jan 15 '22

They can... But they would not do it because legally can get away with that!

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u/dobriygoodwin Jan 15 '22

If they would, then half of population of US would not be able to afford restaurant. High end restaurants work stuff is usually in union and work for salary, but bills there are around 150-200$/person. That's what was really disturbing, people complaining to me(waiter) about tips they need to leave, but shrugging idea, that if I would be working only on salary (11-14 hours a day) the prices would not be the same.

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u/lawless636 Jan 15 '22 Gold Take My Energy

If cooks made more I would cook. Having to deal with the customers is honestly the worst part of the fucking job so youre gonna have to pay me money to deal with you. Honestly Id rather wash dishes for 20 bucks an hour then deal with the fucking customers. It is a soul sucking job.

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u/firesoups Jan 15 '22

The customers are WHY I cook. I like working in restaurants, every aspect. Its fun. Ive worked every position in front and back of house. After almost 20 years, I stay in the kitchen. Customers are exhausting.

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u/Gildian Jan 15 '22

Worked for McDonald's for 5ish years so not quite the same as a nicer restaurant cook per se but God damn shifts working the counter were pure hell most days. I basically begged to be put on grill or assembly

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u/shitdesk Jan 16 '22

I agree Ive worked both dishes and host for a restaurant and only left because they refused to give me a raise and yelled at me when I stopped doing all the extra shit including taking the food out for the waiters and waitresses that couldnt do it themselves because they were arguing with customers (the one that mainly did it got fired mid shift and I was told not asked to learn and do it during a Friday dinner rush thankfully its a small town so I knew everyone and they were forgiving but I only got the tips that other the waiters and waitresses shared with me because I didnt get any)

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u/lmp0stor Jan 15 '22

"Let me explain something to you, Dave. There are two kinds of angry people in this world: explosive and implosive. Explosive is the kind of individual you see screaming at the cashier for not taking their coupons. Implosive is the cashier who remains quiet day after day and finally SHOOTS everyone in the store. You're the cashier."

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u/JediWarrior79 Jan 15 '22

LOVE that movie!!!

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u/hrnigntmare Jan 15 '22

When I waited tables I made it a point to get trained in back and work the line once a week just so I wouldnt forget how bad it is. I used to get so pissed at the cooks before I actually worked the line and afterwards that stopped immediately.

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u/Jankensolvesall5512 Jan 15 '22

Last place I cooked they had us do the dishes as well and they capped us at $12/hr. Im pretty sure everyone would wash dishes for $20/hr.

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u/lawless636 Jan 15 '22

It depends on where you live

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u/BorderlineBarbieUwU Jan 15 '22

at least in the dish pit at some corporate places you'll be allowed to have a music player to help you lessen the fucking monotony of the dish pit

source: former dish dog

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u/Mission-Run-7474 Jan 15 '22

I dont know why uoure being downvoted. What fancy ass restaurant is paying dishwashers 20 an hour?

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u/firesoups Jan 15 '22

Our cooks and dishwashers make the same $20 an hour. Owner says hes trying to change the industry from the inside, but that only applies to our slightly above average wages for the area. We still dont have PTO, insurance, or any other benefits.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Didnt you read the fucking cook, the reason a fucking restaurant exists and what makes it breaks it gets paid 14 an hour? Why the fuck would they pay you 20 for washing dishes?

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u/Jrjosh2 Jan 15 '22

I make close to 20 after starting as a dishwasher in the kitchen less than year ago. Our dishwashers start at 16 here with no experience. Wages have been driven up at the places willing to pay out

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u/firesoups Jan 15 '22

What does that even mean

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u/P47r1ck- Jan 15 '22

Im sure he moved up to line cook or just stayed a dishwasher but makes more money now

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u/Jrjosh2 Jan 15 '22

I meant I went from dishwashing, to being a prep cook and I am now a line cook.

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

In the rare instance that a restaurant actually takes care of their staff, it's not unheard of for BOH to make $20+/hr and that includes the dishwasher.

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u/dazedconfusedev Jan 15 '22

our dishwashers make $20/h, and are actually the highest paid hourly BOH staff. Obviously chefs make more, but theyre all salaried. And since FOH all get tipped minimum, the company pays dishwashers more than any other hourly employee.

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u/Dull_Entrepreneur_43 Jan 15 '22

The place I waitressed at was owned by a old Asian lady who had the place for like 30 years. She kept the same old Thai cook, head Chinese chef, & dishwasher for 30 years Bc she paid those 3 up the ass. The Thai lady wanted to retire but my boss offered even more money to stay. People that care about their workers and want them to stay will make it work

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u/dazedconfusedev Jan 15 '22

I am too tired but I actually do not understand what youre saying. Servers and Hosts arent back of house. All of the people making your food are. The guy pushing out 30 filets an hour at $40 each makes like $18. The only people in BOH that make more than dishwashers are the managers, aka the ones that rarely actually cook. And for FOH we have runners, bussers, bartenders, baristas, porters, and bar backs.

Its a nicer (but not fine dining) restaurant in a nice part of town, but COL is pretty low once you get like 10-15 mins from the restaurant.

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u/lawless636 Jan 15 '22

You dont live where I live bro

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u/Geoarbitrage Jan 16 '22

$20 bucks an hour? Where do you live Santa Barbara? Montecito?

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u/eth-slum-lord Jan 15 '22

Whats there to deal with, you just take the order and bring the food then fuck off , unless you are in a 3 star restaraurant i dont expect the waitress to be doing anything else

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u/AssistanceExact Jan 15 '22

Youve clearly never worked in customer service or the food industry before

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u/eth-slum-lord Jan 15 '22

Ive eaten out every meal in the last 10 years. Literally my dialogue with every waiter is , i want this this that, thanks. Okay heres the credit card thanks . Bye

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u/firesoups Jan 15 '22

Do you know what sub youre in? Why are you shitting on another worker?

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u/MoneyBear1733 Jan 15 '22

The nature of most jobs is that your boss pays you to deal with the people. The customer has no responsibility to pay you to be nice to them. A job is a job.

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u/lawless636 Jan 15 '22

Well as of right now the way serving is set up yes youre paying us to be nice to you. If you dont like it cook your own fucking food.

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u/MoneyBear1733 Jan 15 '22

You're not even the one cooking the food, and the one who is, isn't getting the tip. You just sound entitled.

Tip culture is not paying people to be nice to you. It's a guilt trip transaction that is equivalent to church tithes at this point.

Your boss should be the one paying you to be nice to people, and I sleep perfectly fine knowing that it's not my responsibility to pay your wage.

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u/lawless636 Jan 16 '22

Actually its about my cooks 18% so you can eat a dick. And they get paid far more than me in hourly. Guess who gets blamed if the cook fucks up the food? Its me. guess who has to deal with pissed off customers its me. Just tell me you have an actually worked in the service industry because its pretty fucking clear you dont get how this works at all and you dont get how stressful and soul sucking dealing with people like you is. You sound like the one that is entitled because you have no fucking idea what we actually do or what we deal with. Just remember Karma is a bitch.

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u/MoneyBear1733 Jan 16 '22

I'm speaking from a place of having worked on kitchen lines for nearly a decade out of highschool.

I'd be willing to bet my left nut that you make considerably more than every line cook you work with, yet still bitch and moan that they get paid just above minimum wage.

Servers who complain about people not tipping them are either dead ends working in a bad restaurant, in a small city. Or just wildly entitled people. career servers are smart enough to move to where there's better work.

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u/Send_Your_Noods_plz Jan 15 '22

Every server in the industry knows cooks are being gyped. Just ask them to take a kitchen shft. The only way to make money in a restaurant is to be a server or a manager, and that shouldnt be a secret but it is. If you work in a kitchen just stop. Dont kill yourself for less money than you could make stocking shelves at target. If the idea of customer service and faking being nice is scary, just know everyone is faking it and eating shit and apologizing for things that are not your fault doesnt really matter, especially if you dont mean it... and the secret is you dont really have to. Your words are your representation... youll never see these people again so fuck em. Say whatever you have to say to get through the day, just like you have to do whatever you have to do to get the job done

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

While youre right its also a fairly selfish mindset. I give a shit about my community and the people in it, and it matters if people other than me are being exploited.

Ive fought for industry people before and I dont plan to stop.

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

Yeah, say that word in a professional setting and I'm sure that'll be the excuse you give HR during your termination lol. It's blatantly a slur against Romani people - it comes from the derogatory term "gypsy" and more specifically roots itself in the stereotype that they would rip you off and scam you, hence you'd get "gyped". Roma have a long and nasty history of oppression, and were even euthanized en masse alongside Jewish people in the Holocaust. It'd be like saying you got kike'd

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

Moron is not a racial or ethnic slur and wasn't used as a derogatory term as recently as a few decades ago. Why can't you just respect that some terms have a sour history and learn from that history? It's not like you're in trouble for saying it on Reddit, there's nothing to defend here. It's just generally seen as distasteful these days.

Edit: also, you should probably feel shame. It's a natural human trait.... And serves a vital purpose in socializing.

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

Realistically, if you want to act like a reactionary, there's right wing subreddits for that.

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u/Wtfisthatkid716 Jan 15 '22

I leave my cooking job after today to go be an EMT. Cooking is so underpaid.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Congrats man, I leave after the weekend. Feels good to get out

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u/Wtfisthatkid716 Jan 15 '22

Congrats to you too! I agree. Im tired of the ever changing schedule and being underpaid. I liked cooking at first but after a few years it really wore me down. Not for me. The customers oddly are why I went to cooking, but also the only reason I kept doing it. Always felt good to have someone say they like the food you made.

Im out though. The owners are so unappreciative. Im only going in today because i appreciate my fellow cooks who I know will be hurting if I dont come in during the game tonight. Otherwise Id say fuck it.

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u/Wtfisthatkid716 Jan 15 '22

Im in a little family restaurant too, Ive never seen a tip there. No tip outs for cooks at smaller spots either

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u/Aegi Jan 15 '22

No, might be more emotionally stressful, and thats only sometimes, but its objectively easier to be a server then to be a chef, to be fair Ive only been a line cook, but Ive done both and its absolutely easy as fuck to be a server, its only emotionally challenging sometimes, which is the same with any customer-facing industry.

Also servers rarely work an eight hour shift each day, whereas thats much more common place in most kitchens, additionally servers almost always get paid more than the cook/chefs except for during very slow times or at certain very nice restaurants where the chef is really valued by the owners.

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u/SuddenClearing Jan 15 '22

This is always so interesting to me like, do other servers not tip out boh? That was a requirement for us and they made us count it at the bar.

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u/Aegi Jan 15 '22

Even at places where this happens I've never once met or hear of anyone that tipped out based on 100% of their tips (I have heard of people who maybe did this for a month or few at most, then switched their practices, but only when it was their first job, and generally right out of high school).

Most people at least round down when reporting their cash tips, many take a buck or few, or a large/special tip straight to their pocket.

I'm not making any judgements in this comment, just explaining my experience.

But I've worked at a few restaurants, FoH and BoH, and only once did I work in a place where they tipped out more than the bartender, but even then the hardest job (dishwasher) wasn't tipped out, when that would sometimes literally fuck up the kitchen more than a chef leaving b/c if you get a replacement chef in 30 minutes you might not get that behind, but if you can't have someone cleaning dishes that long, you could literally run out of some cookware haha.

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u/SuddenClearing Jan 15 '22

Oh wow, yes, I think we can all agree, dishwashers are the most unsung heroes of the kitchen. Thinking back I actually dont even know how well dispersed my tipouts were, we gave it to a point person so yeah, no way did that dishwasher get any :( sometimes life is stupid

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u/Remember_The_Lmao Jan 15 '22

We do, but not much. 3% of credit card tips distributed equally among boh staff where I work. Then bar gets 1% of server tips and support staff like hosts and bussers all share 1% as well. So 5% tip out

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u/brainonvacation78 Jan 15 '22

Nor should they when cooks make over min wage and servers make server wage. Pay me what a cook makes and then we can chat about splitting tips

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u/ScoopJr Jan 15 '22

Depends on the state.

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u/brainonvacation78 Jan 15 '22

We're talking about reality for the majority of the US. I'm a server (on the side, I have a solid M-F career but I also got a kid in college that I refuse to send out into the world saddled in debt plus I'm amazing at serving and love it) and I make $5+ hr plus tips. Without those tips, I wouldn't work as a server. I make $37/hr at my primary job. I make $20-$45/hr with tips serving. And if I don't, I won't work there anymore. I'm not running my ass off for you for under $20/hr. A "living wage" is NOT $15/hr. Those are still poverty wages. ESPECIALLY when supporting a family.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Your brain really is on vacation.

You type up that nonsense that isnt relevant, about your personal life. Your average take home per hour is certainly more than the cooks.

Youre just a shitty, selfish server. So what if the cooks are making $2 an hour over minimum wage when your take home is at least $20/hr on average.

Whats your tip percentage? Avg tables/hr?

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u/brainonvacation78 Jan 15 '22

Who fucking pissed in your Cheerios this morning?? My personal life is absofuckinglutely relevant based on this sub. I CAN'T SUPPORT MY FAMILY WITHOUT 2 SOLID INCOMES AND I ALREADY HAVE A FULL TIME JOB. Did you understand that at all?

Next: I make less than minimum wage based on the understanding that tips will make up for it. Cooks (not chefs, which is different) accept their hourly at hire. I tip out my expo, host and bartenders. Cooks tip out shit nada. My avg differs during the season. And I'm one of the most selfless humans ever and you can go fuck right off for attacking me. I'm sooooo selfish for working 2 jobs as as a single mom to help my kid avoid student loan debt lol. You're just a bitter Reddit shit poster and you can kick fucking rocks, sweetheart.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

For someone claiming not to be selfish you said the word I a lot in that wall of text. Its okay to be selfish, but dont pretend youre not self serving

Ive personally gotten over 300k in unpaid back wages to employees at my restaurant, that they were being shorted on their checks.

I also regularly throw out entitled servers who are by the way, required by company policy to tip out other service positions (at every restaurant Ive worked at).

You dont know me and I dont know you, but the way youve acted in this thread is shameful.

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u/ScoopJr Jan 15 '22

I'm not talking about removing tipping. Some states pay 2.13$ per hour for serving and others pay state minimum wage and tips. The minimum wage likely isn't anywhere near livable especially in high cost of living areas.

It would be great for restaurants to pay cook wages to servers but they won't. Why would a cook become a cook if they can simply serve and make the same base pay except now with tips

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u/StayAtHomeAstronaut Jan 15 '22

Or cooks could just get paid more? You know, more inline with their actual worth in a restaurant.

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u/ScoopJr Jan 15 '22

Thats valid too. Cooks end up doing long grueling hours on the line and are there prior to restaurant open and there after restaurant close

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u/brainonvacation78 Jan 15 '22

Cooking and serving are 2 totally different skill sets. Almost all of my cooks lack the social skills I have. You've clearly never worked in a restaurant,

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u/vurjin_oce Jan 15 '22 Silver

"Hi can I take your order"

takes order, reads back, leaves

brings food out, makes sure its all ok, gets drink and do refills

Cook has to cook multiple different types of foods and styles for 1 table and it has to taste and look good.

I'd say the cooks skill set is higher than a server.

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u/Smokweid Jan 15 '22

Yeah, your social skills are coming across strongly in this thread!

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u/ScoopJr Jan 15 '22

Yea, great deduction there, bud

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u/Violet624 Jan 15 '22

The cooks aren't doing more labor than the servers. I call between 10-12 miles a day at my job as a server, and that is just what my feet are doing. I agree line cooks are often underpaid, but serving is also difficult.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Want to see my step counter with regularly 8-12 miles (I admit on slower days its not as much). Not to mention standing in front of a hot grill, saut矇 station and fryers.

Ive done both at 30k+ volume a day restaurants and 15k a day restaurants and while they are both hard work, cooking high volume is more strenuous work.

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u/snake_running Jan 15 '22

I served at a place where we tip pooled, and cooks were included in that. But I heard that they got a pay cut when they started doing that. Just another way to put the burden on the customer.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Thats definitely not standard in the industry, sounds like a high end place! Ive literally never heard of a serving stag矇 haha.

That being said, there are restaurants Ive worked at which ask the cooks to know many of the things you listed.

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u/-Ok-Perception- Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

I've done both. Believe it or not, when shit goes down, the server is going to take the blame for a bad meal (they'll be the one that gets chewed out and they'll be the one who pay gets reduced for it). The cook gets to stay out of the line of fire. Also, there's sometimes several hours where a server can make *less than* 14. And plenty of times they make more.

Being a cook is much more standard employment.

Being a server is all about being fun, happy, and charismatic. It's all about fake friendly which many people, particularly cooks, don't have a "fake friendly" mode. And really the poeple who you see who make considerably more than a cook at those jobs are young attractive women. It's one of those jobs, like bartender, where being super physically attractive and a bit flirty pays in spades. Ugly servers and/or male servers probably make less than 14 an hour on average.

And I believe the owners kind of fan the flames of discord between servers and cooks, because if you guys are at each other's throats fighting for a few cents, you aren't fighting management.

Managing poor employees, like politics, is a game of divide and conquer. They'll keep your rage misdirected at each other so it's not focused on management or the owners. Frequently all places that underpay get people mad at each other so they don't get mad with the people who're actually the problem.

You're all getting fucked. Servers, cooks, bartenders, and bus boys. If you all acted together in solidarity, you could get paid better.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Well Im management in my current position, but restaurants get labor allotted each week and if they consistently miss it they will be replaced regardless of profits.

Its simply corporate (and competition with these places for locally owned) that keeps the status quo

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

Man this is just straight bullshit lol. I've been a line cook, a kitchen manager, and now a barista and I will absolutely never serve. Serving is a special kind of hell and there's a reason you don't see servers racking up overtime even when it's offered, or why you don't see line cooks willingly leaving the kitchen for FOH very often. Anyone can be a line cook, maybe not a great one but anyone could definitely be a line cook if they wanted. Not everyone can be a server.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

I dont believe you were a kitchen manager at a place doing over even 15k days, tbh.

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u/threeleggedgirl Jan 15 '22

Well that's okay because the kitchen manager stint was a $12k/day Chipotle and the most annoying job I've worked to date. What made it annoying? The fact that even kitchen manager was a customer facing position.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Different experiences will lead to different viewpoints. Having worked in many larger commercial restaurants doing 30-50k a night, I see many cooks taken advantage of in those places.

Im not saying either job is harder or should be paid more, but Ive personally seen many cooks taken advantage of as the average cook comes from a less educated and financially secure background than the average server.

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u/Theboisyes Jan 15 '22

Dont act like cooks work harder. Its not easier or harder, its a different type of work.

A cook can be back there going fuck you you motherfucker you bitch ass pile of shit.

A server cant do that.

That fake smile might not seem like hard work but it fucking is. Trust me, as a sever if I could be god damn honest it wouldnt be pretty.

Fucking pot heads are the worst imo.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

I just said it requires more labor, which it does.

Not my point though, no need to get offended.

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u/beerandbluegrass Jan 15 '22

my first bartending job was at a corporate restaurant. we only tipped out the busser. I didn't know any better. if I could go back, I'd tip out those guys busting their asses on the line every night.

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u/shawn1301 Jan 15 '22

As a cook that works solo, with a waitress who works solo. She definitely works harder, and deserves to be paid more then myself.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Yeah every restaurant in the world is like yours good comment

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u/ObligationLow8513 Jan 15 '22

I washed dishes for three solid years between high school and college days.

I dont think a dishwasher makes the most in the kitchen less the chef anywhere. Every job in the back of the house can be hot and unforgiving for hours.

I understand and working with customers in other businesses that they can mentally tear you down as bad as the physical work.

End of the day I think different personalities are suited for different jobs and that goes across the board into every industry. From my perspective a lot of the wait staff at the restaurants I worked at didnt always have the best attitudes towards customers and even though it may be a hard job it all depends on the person doing it and if theyre cut out.

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u/frankie_prince164 Jan 15 '22

My brother was a head chief at a few restaurants. He barely made $36k/year and was worked like a dog. And beacause his food was so great, the servers got the tips and made double what he did.

One day, he looked around and realized he made it to the top of his career, was still broke and surrounded by addicts. He left and had been much happier.

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u/-DaddyDarkLord- Jan 15 '22

You're 1000% wrong that a cook does more work. They both bust their ass open to close.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

They do more physical labor like it or not haha

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u/Alisonwonderland666 Jan 15 '22

Cooks do not do "more" labour. No no no. As a server for the past 10 years im gonna flip you the bird.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

It's okay when I yell at my servers tonight I'll do it with you in mind

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u/Alisonwonderland666 Jan 16 '22

Hahaha! ;)

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u/Cerael Jan 16 '22

BTW, seeing how you used the non American spelling of labor I'm guessing these experiences vary by location a lot.. no ill will (until you flipped me off?)

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u/Alisonwonderland666 Jan 16 '22

Haha im in canada. And isnt the bird a term of endearment for you kitchen folk? I meant it playfully. Foh vs boh.

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u/Cerael Jan 17 '22

Oh I haven't encountered it here in the states. Fair enough :) I've worked in many kitchens with a wonderful boh vs foh culture it's how I met my wife!

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u/erikagm77 Jan 15 '22

Actually, most places require wait staff to tip out half of their tips for the night, which are calculated to AT LEAST 10% of all of their tabs for the night.

So lets say the server in question had 70 tables at $30 each. That would mean they got paid $2100 for food. They are expected to collect at least $210 in tips from that. Out of that amount, they keep $105 and tip out $105, which is then divided amongst hosts, bussers, kitchen staff, bar staff, and any other staff which helps out throughout the night, excluding managers.

So in reality, the wait staff doesnt make as much as you tip them, nor do kitchen staff just work for a basic wage.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

That's false. Source for most places? I've worked at over a dozen restaurants around the country and the only one that operated like that was a high priced local place.

I said corporate places don't tip out cooks. Any that do are outliers.

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u/erikagm77 Jan 15 '22

My sister has worked as a waitress in restaurants all over the country. NYC, Tucson, several cities in FL, CA. All of them followed that tipping process.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Posted a link showing that's generally illegal.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

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u/erikagm77 Jan 15 '22

Read the whole article before you post it as fact.

Tip poolingin which tipped employees contribute a portion of the their tips to a pool, which is distributed among a group of employeesis generally legal. However, under federal law, managers and supervisors are not allowed to participate in a tip pool.

I specifically stated management was excluded (including supervisors).

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u/Ok_Relative_5180 Jan 15 '22

Cooks make decent money they're not messed up

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u/Always1behind Jan 15 '22

Where in the world do you live? In my neck of America cooks are consistently priced out of the cities that they work in

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u/Ok_Relative_5180 Jan 17 '22

I know 2 one makes 30 an hour, the other makes like 28. I'm in indianapolis, indiana

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

To anyone in the industry your comment reads as sarcastic because thats so obviously not true lol

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u/BBCreeks Jan 15 '22

Walking hurta and stress after work for hours need alcohol calm down not even weed works for hours sometimes or cracker barrel worked at busiest one in nation tables ouch feet no tray jacks 30lbs one hand im a man so ouch but hot waitresses hug on u and stuff and naked parties cooks don't always get to go to

I've worked kitchen 7 yrs and tables 3 yrs or 2

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u/IceBear_42 Jan 15 '22

Cooks don't need tips.....

They already make a flat rate 3-4x servers.

Not saying that all the staff shouldn't be paid better, but adding tips to cooks pay is not an answer...

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

If it wasn't clear already

I didn't say cooks should receive tips. They should be compensated more. Tipping should be abolished as a standard. Pay servers the same as cooks for all I care.

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u/IceBear_42 Jan 15 '22

So, have you ever worked in a restaurant?

Because, I would argue that when you actually include all the labor servers put in, it's pretty equal to the cooks.

The cooks do get points for being in hot AF kitchens for 8-12 hrs.

But to just say cooks "do more labor" is absurd...

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

Grow up asshole, my point is that cooks should be compensated fairly so should all restaurant workers.

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u/IceBear_42 Jan 15 '22

Grow up asshole

Wonderful way to get your point across....

Insult people that disagree with you.

Cooks are compensated incredibly better than servers already.

Glad to know you have zero idea what you're talking about.

Bye-bye now, you man baby.

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u/Cerael Jan 15 '22

I'm a kitchen manager so when I throw put my next entitled server who can't do math it'll be in your honor.

You started with the insults. Can't take it but can dish it out? Definitely a shitty server.

I'm not trying to convince lost causes of anything

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