r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Erect_Llama Jan 15 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy

One of the biggest things in America I'll never understand is why tipping is so important. Like why tf can't the server's get paid a decent wage? Why do they live off of tips?


u/dgl7c4 Jan 15 '22

My partner has been a server for years. I make 50k/year and she often brings home the same amount of money or more than I do each month. I completely agree that tip culture is stupid as fuck, and a lot of people barely scrape by in that industry, but there are also people who benefit greatly. There’s no way in hell that a “livable wage” would come close to what she’s making off of tips. I’m not trying to justify it but I also think it’s a tough issue to tackle when a lot of servers would prefer it stays the same than to make ~15/hr.


u/dangoodspeed Jan 15 '22

What about getting $15/hour and still accepting tips for superb service, but not expecting tips... especially to the point that someone's considered an asshole for not tipping?


u/Shopped_For_Pleasure Jan 15 '22

Or getting paid a salary reflective of what the service is worth like any other job.

If it’s a high end restaurant, pay them like $30 an hour or some shit. Lower end, idk $20?

Tipping is so fucking stupid. It’s not expected in any other industry because your doing exactly what youre paid to do. I don’t understand why handing orders to patrons is more special than the chef who made the meal and keeps the kitchen area sanitary, or the hostess who seats and organizes the place, or anything else. Hell, I’d say cleaning the place is probably one of the more difficult jobs in the restaurant and it’s probably paid the least.

Also, ironically, the best places to eat are always the places that refuse tipping. Theres a few great places in New York that refuse your tip, and it goes without saying the same thing goes for European countries (although tipping is becoming more popular as companies begin to use American software that has ‘tipping’ preloaded) and especially Japan. They all have been much more attentive and appreciative than anywhere that expects a tip.

Tipping is by far the most stupid obligation.


u/stilljustacatinacage Jan 15 '22 Helpful

This has long been my position on it as well, especially against the "we can pay a living wage and have tips!" nonsense.

I 100% support thriving wages for everyone, but tip culture is so toxic and transparent for what it really is: a way to condition the workers to endorse their own exploitation.

As others have said, tipped workers can make good money, better than any minimum wage hike will allow; so while many will support an increase to minimum wage, they'd never support the abolishment of tipping. It's too lucrative.

Meanwhile the gas station attendant, who is expected to be every bit as personable, on their feet, fetch goods for customers, process purchases, clean the store, stock the shelves... Well I guess they should have gotten a job at the restaurant across the street instead.

It's dumb. I hate it, but mostly I'm tired of customers and servers alike happily dancing along to the Pied Piper's tune.


u/Wheelchairpussy Jan 15 '22

High end restaurant wait staff don’t work any harder than low end for the most part though


u/kentonbryantmusic Jan 15 '22

Buddy serves at a high end restaurant in nashville. Makes 100k serving. He wouldn’t trade it for base wage.


u/skynetnord Jan 15 '22

Since covered since nobody wants to work we have seen wait staff up to $40 to $50 an hour here, people need to pay what people deserve or they won't go to work that's what's happening here in Australia, I don't know about there...

Yep tipping is stupid, how a person that acts on a day or what they look like or what they can say to a person eating the food they bring them should have nothing to do with how much they get paid..... Pay people what they deserve without tips!


u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I stopped tipping years ago. It's not my responsibility to supplement their salary.


u/OrvilleCaptain Jan 15 '22

A waiter at Red Robin already makes $30-$40/hr with tip. At a fine dining restaurant they make anywhere between $80-$300/hr. They are usually well compensated despite their compensation structure.


u/erikagm77 Jan 15 '22

It’s not expected in any other industry?

Taxi drivers expect to be tipped. When there were luggage handlers at the airport (from your car to ticket counter) they were tipped, practically any position where someone provides a service while being customer-facing expects to be tipped. Coat checkers? Tipped. Bell boys? Tipped. Maid service? Tipped.


u/Adventurous_Dust_478 Jan 16 '22

I agree! Unfortunately, many of those no tip restaurants have a teeny sign adding an automatic % to the total due - which is the stupidist thing that I've ever heard - IDK Why, if they are going to expect a customer to tip, don't they just increase the price of the item by that percent and give it to the server.


u/Ok_Independence_9917 Jan 15 '22

You're speaking without having any restaurant experience, sales experience, or international travel experience. Service in Europe is often much much worse because they are getting paid regardless of whether or not they forgot to refill your drink. In sales, people are often paid commission. I've spoken to both Europeans and Americans on the subject and both agree. I've also lived in Japan. The culture is just much different there period so it's really not a great point for comparison. As a former waiter I would never like to get paid salary because then what is the motivation to pick up extra tables? A manager of a place like Cracker Barrel would see a huge dip in sales and would have to increase food costs dramatically. Why? Restaurants need to be able to flip tables to serve as many patrons as possible. If a server is paid a salary they will want to slow down how quickly the food comes out so that the table isn't flipped as quickly and they don't have to work as hard. You simply don't understand the industry well enough to criticize it. The system works and people who are actually good at their jobs get rewarded. Isn't that something we should be encouraging? This is just scratching the surface. I can go into much greater detail about the negative impacts on owners if anyone is truly interested. My friend owns a micro brewery. And for everyone saying that the owners a greedy this and scumbag that... Keep this in mind. Restaurant profits on average are only 5% of total sales on average. No other business comes with a higher failure rate. Tipping is an important and positive obligation. Removing it would negatively impact the restaurant business and the service you receive. So I don't see why people like you need to gripe about it and try to destroy a system which is good for the customer and good for the employee because they see it as inconvenient to themselves.... The only thing I will agree on is that employees who make more than the minimum wage for wait staff should not be expecting tips. Starbucks employees can easily make 15 an hour compared to the national minimum wage for wait staff of 2.14 an hour. Way too many individuals are holding their hand out expecting a tip and it's confusing to patrons who aren't sure who should be getting tipped what. So for employees like that, tips should be appreciated but not expected.


u/Shopped_For_Pleasure Jan 15 '22

Dude you can check my post history…

I have restaurant experience. I also live in Europe right now and have lived in Japan a lot of my life too (i have numerous posts and photos on my account confirming it too).

The service in the US is absolute dogshit.