r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/Quinn0Matic Jan 15 '22 Gold Helpful Wholesome

Tipping should be illegal, and I say that as someone who relies on tips.

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u/DanTheRocketeer Jan 15 '22

Tipping shouldn’t be illegal, it should be bonus. That’s how it’s is pretty much everywhere other than the US - the servers get paid a living wage and if they get tipped it’s either theirs to keep or split amongst all the servers (the former being the better system).

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u/codify7 Jan 15 '22

In Japan they get offended if you tip, in their system they price the food at value for what it’s worth and to tip extra is to be insulting.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

I had a cab driver get out of the car and chase me down to return the tip. They view customer service as part of their job. Amazing concept right Americans?

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u/Nightshader5877 Jan 15 '22

It's because America feels like it's built on too much greed.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

It's because America feels like it's built on too much greed

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u/legothor Jan 15 '22

The movie “Wall Street” from 1987 has the famous quote “greed, for lack of a better word, is good”. It seems American Businesses heard that quote and ran with it as hard and as far as possible with it. We’ve lost our perspective here and forgot to give a shit about our neighbors.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I can hear Michael Douglas' delivery even though I haven't seen that movie in years!

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u/Sansabina Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Didn't tipping in the US become prevalent because in the South at the end of the Civil War there was a lot of former slaves without employment or were poor tenant farmers with no money - so the rich hotel and restaurant owners allowed them to "work" at their establishments doing certain ancillary service jobs, like bellhops, etc. but refused to pay them a wage (they used to get their labor for free when they were slaves, I guess they couldn't bring themselves to pay them) - so no wages meant that instead they had to beg and hope to get tips from customers. And that's how it really caught on in the US... in the Northern states tipping was not typical until much later.

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u/iwifia Jan 15 '22

If you deal with another person then customer service is part of your job. From an American.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

Ive lived in the US for 12 years and I wish more people felt the same.

Also, they should be paid a living wage!

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u/iwifia Jan 15 '22

Totally agree. I actually used to frequent (pre covid and baby) a bar that paid there staff a salary plus tip. Single bar, one location, great place and always booming, but everyone got a livable paycheck and everyone shared tips. I think at the time it was $10 an hour for servers and cooks, servers with a bartending license got $15 since they could do 2 different jobs, kitchen and floor supervisor (floor super was the highest rank person scheduled) got $20 an hour. Everyone got tipped out the next day they worked for the last shift so they could get the full days tip and not just the "good hours".

I only knew two people who left there in 7 years. One got fired and one moved across the country.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

That's actually on the opposite end of the fucking issue. If they are getting paid a full salary, why the fuck am I tipping?? Include a gratuity in the purchase price of each drink do it however you want but for fucks sake I'm so tired of having to do napkin math based on my experience while also contemplating every conceivable life scenario of the staff that just helped me while drunk.

Bars are fucking overrated in general anyways these days.

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u/nudiecale Jan 15 '22

You’ve completely missed the point. If they are making a full living wage, you never have to tip. Nobody will expect you to. However, if you want to reward someone for outstanding service, there is nothing explicitly forbidding you from doing so.

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u/flyingsquirrel6789 Jan 15 '22

What he actually means is that the one guy isn't personally offended, but as a culture they believe that everyone should have the same high level of service and ethics so typing isn't required because they are already paid for their high level of service.

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u/whatawitch5 Jan 15 '22

Maybe because in Japan they are earning a living wage plus healthcare, free education, and a comfortable pension at their job, rather than scrounging in constant poverty like comparable workers in the US. When you’re hungry or can’t afford your meds, no tip is ever returned over the lofty idea that “customer service is part of the job”. Not when that tip means literally putting some meat on the table this week or buying your kid’s cold medicine.

Maybe if US workers weren’t living in a “Hunger Games” reality we could afford to be more generous about turning down tip money for doing a good job. But until we do something to end our current post-capitalist nightmare and stop letting US employers siphon money away from their workers, US employees are going to gratefully keep whatever tips they are lucky enough to receive.

If US employers think it is important for “customer service to be part of the job”, then the compensation their employees receive should reflect that. If they pay shit wages with no benefits, then they clearly do not value their customers or their employees, only their profit margins.

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u/new2bay Jan 15 '22

In Japan? Yeah, I’ve heard of people literally chasing down foreigners who don’t understand you’re not supposed to tip in Japan.

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u/lamplighters_union Jan 15 '22

I was a cab driver in America for six years. I had countless nights where I worked 12 hour shifts and went home with 15-20 dollars. I averaged less than minimum wage per hour, with tips, and I still took the absplute best care of every passenger in my cab. Comparing Japanese cab driver's service with American cab driver's service isn't really fair, as American cab drivers are some of the shittiest, hardest, lowest paying jobs in existance.

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u/yes_thats_right Jan 15 '22

No doubt work was hard and not as rewarding as it should be, but that's not the point I am making above.

I am saying that customer service is part of the job and should be paid for through salary, it is not a nice bonus for the customer to pay extra for.