r/antiwork Jan 14 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 16 Wholesome 10

So sorry, I'm broke so I can only pay you $77 for my food. You were great though.

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u/SB6P897 Jan 15 '22

You see more and more fast food places asking for tips. Right now it’s fun and dandy while they get paid minimum or more. But the fast food pay enjoyment gonna change real fast when fast food restaurants get the legal slip to pay less than minimum cuz “tips are income and will justify it”

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u/deniercounter Jan 15 '22

In Denmark a McDonalds worker earns 22 USD per hour, 5 weeks paid holiday and paid parental leave from the beginning. So it is possible!

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u/Sckanksta Jan 15 '22

In Denmark you also doesn't pay a fortune just to see the doctor which counts for something 😁

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Denmark starting to sound pretty good…..

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u/Kortezxero Jan 15 '22

...that's what I'm sayin'

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u/Perssepoliss Jan 15 '22

Denmark has conscription

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u/MasculineCompassion Jan 15 '22

We are working on that, though

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u/Perssepoliss Jan 15 '22

Norway brought theirs back in due to Russia

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Which leads to a low crime rate! If EVERYONE went thru basic training learning how to handle a weapon properly and safely and when you get out, you keep the rifle…. No one wants to break into your house when everyone knows that EVERYONE has a rifle and sidearm in their house and knows how to use them.

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u/JessTheKitsune Anarcho-Syndicalist Jan 15 '22

I... Do I really need to explain why this is just not true?

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u/MasculineCompassion Jan 15 '22

No, it actually introduces more weapons into the underground market.

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u/BlueKante Jan 15 '22

They also founded trolltrace.com

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u/SnooGadgets5130 Jan 15 '22

Tjing tjang tjing nutillej

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u/Davido400 Jan 15 '22

Unfortunately they recently outlawed bestiality, shame that (do I need to put /s?)

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u/ReddityJim Jan 15 '22

Government over reach if I ever saw it.

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u/Big-Weather2703 Jan 15 '22

Government over reach around*

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u/Western_Entertainer7 Jan 15 '22

Also, you don't have to pay for much of a standing army, because the US military is the main deterant for anyone thinking of invading europe.

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u/Hitsuyu Jan 15 '22

As a Swede I’m obligated to hate Denmark, but I must admit it’s preferable to the US… probably

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Yeah until you make money.

Don't get me wrong. I love the possibilities we have here, but we pay too much in taxes and fees. The government has become to big and should go back to providing the basics needed for a good life (free healthcare, education and financial help if you lose your job)

I had a job once that after taxes gave me $80 more a month than if i collected welfare. That makes some people speculate in getting a disability check and then working some shady job that pays cash. If you do like that, you can work 20 hours a week and make more money than most people working fully legal.

We have made it to easy for people to just stay at home and don't contribute

Edit : It's funny, Everytime i explain that Denmark is really not perfect (even though I have lived here for 34 years) i get bombarded with downvotes....

I get that Scandinavia might seem like a perfect place for Americans , but it isn't.

It's better and more just than America, but far from perfect. You should seek a political system that lies somewhere in between where you are and where Europe is.

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u/xTrump_rapes_kidsx Jan 15 '22

If employers aren't willing to pay significantly more than welfare, they probably don't deserve to exist

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22

Well, Ikea is one of them and they certainly do exist. Deserve is not really something that is useful as a way of indicator of anything. Either you turn a profit and live on or you don't and die off.

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u/xTrump_rapes_kidsx Jan 15 '22

"if a business cannot turn a profit without engaging in worker exploitation (paying less than welfare, for example), that business is not one that should exist"

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22

Do you want to force them shut or what would be your solution?

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u/xTrump_rapes_kidsx Jan 15 '22

Absolutely. Force closure of exploitative business

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u/RaoulDuke511 Jan 15 '22

If employers can’t make a profit, they probably don’t deserve to exist*

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u/tosser88899 Jan 15 '22

Imagine for a moment life in the US. You might have the exact same lifestyle you have now and the exact same amount of money. But if you get sick? If you lose your job? If you were young and wanted to go to school?

You would live under the constant dread of it.

Life in the US can feel like you are balancing a sword upright with one hand while standing on a rug that a person is holding waiting to pull it out from under you.

More than half of us live only a few months from homelessness. The lucky are a year or two from it.

Does that happen in Denmark? Be honest. Still think high taxes are a burden?

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u/tr0pheus Jan 15 '22

I know the struggles you face over there and I'm sorry you have to live like that. I can't imagine the stress.

That is why I think a model between American and European society would be a good solution. We need a healthy , competitive private sector but we also need safety from job loss and unforeseen medical expenses etc.

No it doesn't happen here. Fortunately. As high taxes as we pay? Abso-fucking-lutely!! As little as you guys pay? Absolutely to little. A healthy middle ground would be for the best. Don't forget that Europe has also piggy backed on security bc if anything happens here we expect USA to come help , so our military is pathetic and we absolutely cannot defend ourselves. So if USA doesn't have our back we would have to raise taxes even more.

The base tax rate is already 45%. If you earn somewhere around 80k$/year everything over that gets taxed progressively more up to 56% iirc. Everything you buy has 25% sales tax. If you want a car that is even more taxed. A shitty small new car can easily go for 60k $, that's not a Mercedes or an Audi that's just a small very basic car . If you want gasoline on that car you pay around 7$ for a gallon of fuel. If you want electricity that is around .5 $/kWh (65% of that price is....you guessed it.... Taxes)

If you WANT something in Denmark it's taxed at least 25% , and as you can see , if you NEED something it's taxed even more.

Around 28% of danish workers are also working for the government, so if they want a raise, they just vote for one of like 5 political parties that constantly wants to expand said government.

Can you really not see that too much government can become dangerous?

Of course we should offer everyone free education, medical services and a check to survive between jobs. We absolutely should do that! But we do so much more unnecessary than that. It's hard to fathom how big the government is here if you haven't lived here.

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u/tosser88899 Jan 18 '22

You are incorrect if you think that I am suggesting that higher taxes and more government is the solution. What we need is wage reform. A higher minimum wage that is tied to inflation. Regulations that punish corporations involved in wage theft and anti labor policies. A mandate for sick leave and paid time off. A single payer healthcare system paid by taxes that cannot be manipulated. Free education that is funded not by property taxes so that the wealthiest areas get access to good education and the poor areas get shitty education.

In short. A system that is more fair for everyone and not just the wealthy.

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u/RaoulDuke511 Jan 15 '22

This sub is full of people that think Europe is the solution to all their problems. Then they find out that everywhere has problems and they pay massive taxes and have way more xenophobic immigration and work visa requirements than America, lower corporate tax rates, and that their social welfare programs don’t scale to a population of 330 million people…Bernie bro syndrome.

When somebody contradicts their biased utopian narrative…they get kind of salty.

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u/tr0pheus Jan 16 '22

I don't know about the xenophobic immigration. Maybe we were more extreme 10 years ago than you guys. But the stories from ICE facilities are straight up the stuff from nightmares. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would separate children and parents

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u/SavagecavemanMAR Jan 15 '22

Totally agree

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u/Stormseekr9 Jan 15 '22

Lots of things are free, but taxes are high. It is an expensive country though compared to let’s say a Western European country like NL/DE. Beautiful country, amazing people!

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u/GroguYoda_ Jan 15 '22

Oh? Take it from a Dane: that $44,000 McDonalds salary in Denmark would be reduced to $24,000 after taxes, and guess what? Denmark is also the most expensive place to live in the EU costing 30% more than the US. Congratulations, you have healthcare but are broke af and can't afford housing despite making 44 freaking grand per year.

People don't realize how expensive basic goods are in these countries with "free" healthcare. It's crippling to so many but it's a trade-off: would you like more of your money to invest or spend as you wish or would you prefer to have it withheld as a safety net? You're going to spend the same money regardless, nothing is free even in Scandinavian Healthcare systems. Easy/more relatable comparison: look how much computer parts cost in Canada and Australia vs the US. You pay considerably more for everything you buy and take home less pay. This is why, in these systems, wealth is very scarce - the systems themselves are designed to stifle success and oppress workers. That doesn't stop the Canadian housing market from spiraling out of control though, they " still get theirs" and here you are an average worker crushed by taxation and cost of goods and services, by design, with rising rent.

You have fewer options in these countries vs the US. They look great on the surface but the devil is in the details, always. Not that it's bad but it's definitely not an ideal fit for everybody and their populations, immigration policies and ethnic makeup shows it.

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u/Limp_Ad_7178 Jan 15 '22

How much are people paying in taxes to pay for all that

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u/peeps_hoe Feb 24 '22

denmark and just about every european country also has higher taxes so you don't really get alllllll the money from your paycheck...

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u/stingertc Feb 24 '22

yes but they also pass that price on to the customer too not excusing not paying well i am just saying i bet there dollar menu is very different than ours