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u/greschuk_j Jan 27 '22 Wholesome Take My Energy This

What the fuck is even going on here

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u/emeraldpity Jan 27 '22 Eureka!

Discourse and discord.

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u/Wise-ask-1967 Jan 27 '22

Basically normal reddit

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u/HungryBroom01 Jan 27 '22

Fuck me, this is the kind of stuff I signed up for. Nothing is ever boring on this site.

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u/btveron Jan 27 '22

Discontent and disappointment.

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u/1600Birds Jan 27 '22

Disease and distrust

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u/AntiGoblinhog Jan 27 '22

Destruction and death

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u/ChosenUsername420 The Only Real Leftist On The Internet Jan 27 '22

Basically mods who repeatedly told us they weren't movement leaders decided to take some mainstream interviews where they'd be questioned as if they were movement leaders, and are now trying to get back into being just mods and not leaders while still pretending that, as leaders, they've never done anything wrong and should be loved by all.

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u/erasedgod Jan 27 '22

Why are mainstream outlets bothering to interview mods from a random subreddit?

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u/ChosenUsername420 The Only Real Leftist On The Internet Jan 27 '22

The sub went from like 200k to 1.7 million subs in the last six months, and the whole "Great Resignation" thing has been a mainstream story for at least a month at this point, so I guess they thought interviewing mods would provide a valuable perspective.

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u/erasedgod Jan 27 '22

Thanks. I'm entirely ootl on all of this.

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u/anthematcurfew Jan 27 '22 Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Heartwarming This

Fox got such a clean kill here that they aren’t even using it to fill space for their usual helping of culture war stuff.

They barely even noticed what the outcome was.

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u/deltlead Jan 27 '22

Yep, just stood back and let the self implosion happen. Fox didn't have to do anything

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u/chewbaccaRoar13 Jan 27 '22 Silver

Exactly, as one comment put it perfectly on the YouTube video, "You know you're doing a bad job when the fox news anchor doesn't try to interrupt you and just let's you keep talking." Or something like that.

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u/Ausgezeichnet87 Jan 27 '22

Too true. When Rutger Bregman was making Tucker Carlson look bad Tucker quickly ended the interview and then they didnt air the interview.

You cant win in an interview with Fox News. They will do everything in their power to make you look stupid and if they cant do that then they simply wont air the interview.

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u/brcguy Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I did a large public artwork in Austin, TX where we built and then burned a large sculpture in the middle of downtown in New Years Eve. We were on site for a week straight from the 26th of dec until we burned it. Every morning at 5:30 am I was woken up to talk to various news crews and do live interviews about the project. Every last one of them was polite and friendly and utterly baffled as to why we would burn this beautiful sculpture. I always stayed on message, including saying “the things you own end up owning you” on every major network for a week. I told Fox News to pound sand tho. Just refused to talk to them on camera.

Finally the reporter wore me down over a long talk without cameras or mics. I did the interview, not live, and he let me watch the finished piece an hour before it aired, giving me veto rights over parts but not all.

The guy did an AMAZING job. The Fox guy was the first and only reporter to understand us, why we would burn it, the connection of destroying artwork to our own impermanence, and conveyed our intentions clearly and simply in a better way than even I had been able to. I was blown away. I sat in his van at the end of the 5pm local newscast and watched this interview piece go out live on the air.

The piece finished, and the news anchors first words when she was back on screen were “I just can’t understand why they would burn that, it’s so beautiful.” I get that she wasn’t paying attention and just said whatever but FFS come on lady. The co anchor just shook his head.

Whatever right? No big, anyone paying attention got the message. So, We burned it. The wind changed and kicked up while it was burning and some embers rained on the crowd. Price of admission, right? Wanna stand near a burning building, you might be a little sooty.

The Fox guy, who had earned my trust runs up with a camera crew live and asks me how do I feel now that the sculpture is burned. Before I can finish one sentence he produces a woman who was literally hiding behind him and cuts me off saying her jacket was damaged and she had a burn on her skin that looked to need treatment. What did I have to say now that I know my artwork had harmed this poor woman and probably dozens or hundreds of others.

I stammered before recovering and saying we should get her first aid before some gotcha bullshit but he’d already taken the mic out of my face for his “there ya have it folks” moment.

Fucking Fox News. Never ever not even once.

EDIT: Never did find the fox interview that was on the air but here are some links showing what we did and that it’s not a totally made up story. If you know how to find a 13 year old local news broadcast I’d fucking love to see it. Fox 7 Austin. December 2008

https://youtu.be/i3XTQ2523MM

https://youtu.be/sEamfQT4Vgk

Lots more if you search “ Austin 2008 resolution clock” on YouTube

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u/TheBrainwasher14 Jan 27 '22

This was a live interview. A few people have won in this format. One journalist made Tucker Carlsen look so stupid that he talked about it for a solid year after the interview. Doreen clearly didn’t have what it took though.

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u/Lumpy_Doubt Jan 27 '22

Jon Stewart dunked on Tucker so hard that CNN canceled his show

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u/LumpyJones Jan 27 '22

And made tucker give up bowties.

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u/slobs_burgers Jan 27 '22

“Those are hard to tie!”

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u/TheBrainwasher14 Jan 27 '22

Also that. Not on Fox though but still relevant.

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u/WichoSuaveee Jan 27 '22

I remember that shit! Crossfire or something right? God that shit was fucking GLORIOUS

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u/TheDoktorIsIn Jan 27 '22

Legends say he threw out all his bowties that night. What a terrible fate, to be a bowtie for Tucker Carlson.

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u/bulletproofsquid Jan 27 '22

And his defeat was so thorough that he never had a show again-ohwait

There truly is no Win State to debating bad actors. Only momentary embarrassments that their base will happily ignore in order to continue enjoying their narrative. Like with trolls, the only winning move is not to play, and instead to outline the harm they do on our terms in our spaces.

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u/Snoo58991 Jan 27 '22

Yeah and then Apple slowly killed Stewart's new show and buried it at the bottom of their recommended shows. Legit never hear anyone talking about it but it is incredible and everyone should watch it. It is called "The Problem With John Stewart"

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u/Cautionzombie Jan 27 '22

I heard about it but I don’t have apple plus.

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u/PM_OUTDATED_MEMES Jan 27 '22

This might also be controversial but...

If we're gonna do an interview with Fox News about a movement like this (protip: don't do that), we want to make the audience as sympathetic to us as possible. Send a blue collar worker who's been a victim of union busting tactics and works two jobs to take care of his disabled wife and kids. Send a straight white man to be the voice that gets us off the ground. The choice/decision to let a trans woman be the first face shown on major MSM, and on FOX NEWS of all places, was a horrendous one.

None of this is to suggest any form of transphobia or trans exclusion. They're humans, and deserve the same human rights as everyone else. They're valid voices amidst the work reform movement, and deserve to be heard and represented as well.

I'm just throwing out there -- we wouldn't send James Bond to be first contact with aliens, because he's a loose cannon with no experience on the stage he's going to, and the aliens won't understand what we like about him. Fox News viewers see an already politically charged headline that they're going to be naturally hyper resistant to, they need to see a face that's recognizable and appealing to them.

Media management sucks sometimes but that's how it is.

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u/Sonic10122 Jan 27 '22

I’m just throwing out there – we wouldn’t send James Bond to be first contact with aliens, because he’s a loose cannon with no experience on the stage he’s going to, and the aliens won’t understand what we like about him.

Oh, I thought it was because he’d try to sleep with the aliens.

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u/FiveElementFlow Jan 27 '22

Captain Kirk is disqualified for the same reason then.

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u/PM_OUTDATED_MEMES Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

That, too, but it didn't jibe* with my metaphor.

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u/RufusLaButte Jan 27 '22

We’ve known this since at least the civil rights era. Rosa Parks was hand selected to become to face of the bus boycotts, after previous attempts were made by less “sympathetic” patrons. Does it suck? Yes. Is it effective? I mean - you know who Rosa Parks is, don’t you?

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u/bobs_monkey Jan 27 '22

It's still baffling that people don't realize /u/abolishwork was exactly what Fox was looking for; someone their viewers already loath and whose opinions will reinforce their base's idea that we are all a bunch of lazy freeloaders. This was no accident, this was by design, by one of the market leaders in disinformation campaigns. How someone thought "oh hey, Fox News wants to interview us, this is our time to shine!" has the naivety of a child and deserves no position of power. That interview couldn't have gone better for Fox, as the anchor didn't need to do anything accept let her talk and torpedo herself and the movement along with it.

On top of which, Doreen has publicly stated that she doesn't feel the need to adhere to professional interview standards, ie dress appropriately, appear clean/well kept, not show her mod dungeon in the background, etc. Again, Fox couldn't have asked for a better play.

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u/PM_OUTDATED_MEMES Jan 27 '22

Even further infuriating is the pitiful "bUt iM aUtIsTiC" excuse.

Autism doesn't prevent you from showering. Autism doesn't prevent you from accepting professional, freely offered and given media training (which I should note is something worth THOUSANDS of dollars normally). Autism doesn't prevent you from doing anything that /u/AbolishWork is claiming it does, and to use it as an excuse is insulting both to every single person on the spectrum but also to the entire subreddit and movement's intelligence.

It's fucking pathetic. People would be so. much. less. upset. if Doreen and the mods came out and legitimately had a "look, we fucked up, sorry." apology, but instead we get this half assed YouTuber "I'm sorry you were insulted" shit from a mod that nobody knows, nobody voted for, and nobody fucking asked him.

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Jan 27 '22

perfectly said her trying to blame her autism was fucking disgusting.

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u/PM_OUTDATED_MEMES Jan 27 '22

It's like, yeah, sure, that's relevant, but not really, because it isn't like she scheduled the interview, got all ready and prepped, and then minutes before just came down with a bad bout of autism like you might get food poisoning. If she was diagnosed, she knew how she handled pressure, and did it anyways. This was 100% on her. Nobody and nothing made her do the things she did. Just her.

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u/1000bctrades Jan 27 '22

I don’t even think being trans would be an issue if the person wasn’t afraid to look into a camera (not make eye contact, no, just look in a fucking camera), and was prepared to professionally and definitively state what the movement is about and not fall into obvious traps.

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u/showmeyourlagunitas Jan 27 '22

Send an EMT - any EMT. I bet they would never say “laziness is a virtue”

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u/gariant Jan 27 '22

In this case, the mod stole Fox's job.

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u/hoosierdaddy192 Jan 27 '22

They’ve been warning it will happen.

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u/LunarLuxa Jan 27 '22

Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake

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u/tyanu_khah Jan 27 '22

They only had to provide a stage for it to happen. And they did.

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u/__Dystopian__ Jan 27 '22

Did you watch the news anchor's face? He constantly has this knowing smile of:

I don't have to do shit on this interview, this person is going to destroy themselves for me.

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u/AndForeverNow Jan 27 '22

Jesse was a sneaky one. He held back his laughter, and led the mod on with basic questions to fool him, until he basically gave a middle finger at the end. It was a mistake for this to go so far and much more transparency should have been done from the beginning to prevent this.

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u/goopy331 Jan 27 '22

That was the worst part of the interview for me. I’ve seen plenty of fox hit piece interviews over the years, this one didn’t even play out like a hit piece. The host didn’t use any rhetorical tricks or talk over the mod, just lobbed softball questions and let the mod dog their own hole.

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u/ASuspiciousAxolotl Jan 27 '22

That wasn’t even a hit piece, the host came in ready to kill but mod fuck for brains turned and did it themselves. Probably one of the best interviews he’ll ever get to do.

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u/craterinvader Jan 27 '22

“You can’t kill me if I kill myself first” - The mod

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u/sgeep Jan 27 '22

mod dog

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u/FloridaManZeroPlan Jan 27 '22 Silver Helpful Wholesome hehehehe Starry

Hit ‘em with those hard hitting questions like “What is your age” and “What is your occupation”

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u/marioshairlesstwin Jan 27 '22 Silver Giggle

getting owned by Jesse fucking Watters is the most embarrassing thing

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u/kuriouskittyn Jan 27 '22

This. He has always been a snide, self satisfied prick. I never could stand him. Hannity is the same. Lemon too. So many media figures I just loathe...

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u/QueefyMcQueefFace Jan 27 '22

Jesse Watters is hair gel in human form.

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u/decadecency Jan 27 '22

And just like hair gel, he too will get crusty with age.

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u/c0brachicken Jan 27 '22

They did it 100% to themselves, and us. FOX asked the biggest softball questions they possibly could have offered..

If a normal WORKER would have been asked the same questions, it could have turned out a lot better.

However when the fake spokesperson for the sub is someone that doesn’t even want to work, and thinks getting ready for an interview on national news is just taking their monthly shower.. this is exactly what happens.

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u/AndForeverNow Jan 27 '22

As if it was a job interview too!

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u/c0brachicken Jan 27 '22

I’m sure FOX would have been more than happy to pay a good sum of money for that interview. Could have easily netted 50k at a bare minimum for the train wreck they provided.

Just think how many people are now talking about this one interview.. that’s great advertising.

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u/Intelligent-Store321 Jan 27 '22

"What is your community looking to reform - are you all just lazy?" Mod goes on agreeing with the lazy part and ignores the first half of the question that could have genuinely benefited them, as much as a softball from Fox can.

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u/Zerix_Albion Jan 27 '22

That is what I was mostly confused about. Wasn't that the entire reason to go on Fox News was to at least explain and clear up any misconceptions about the sub, and to put forth some common goals of the sub as in (Basic workers rights, paid a fair wage, good work / life balance, non hostile work environments) How Technology and automation are going to lessen the amount of Jobs / work available and how we can help transition to a UBI that would benefit everyone. It seemed the person in the interview didn't even has 1 or 2 talking points ready. Like THIS is your chance to get your message across to Millions of Americans who have misconceptions about what "Anti-work" even means.

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u/Jazzlike_File9483 Jan 27 '22

Obviously "what is your occupation" was a set up that this person should have seen coming from a mile away. Then to make it worse was the I don't just want to be a dog walker, I want to teach philosophy or whatever it was. What dog walker isn't a legitimate profession? Also, the internet exists, if you want to teach philosophy start doing it, create a course or make videos.

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u/Finesseer Jan 27 '22 Starry

Doreen was literally the most "generic lazy leftist that thinks they will teach poetry in the commune after the revolution", ever. Like, down to every stereotype. Fox didn't even ask anything difficult or unusual. On top of that, they work 20-25 hours per week and STILL consider that too much. Like... what awful optics LMAO

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u/sirferrell lazy and proud Jan 27 '22

It really just fucking hurt it's like the mod knew they were being setup but didn't care... No professional clothing.. pictures in the back crooked...and twisting in the chair...fam...

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u/redrobot5050 Jan 27 '22

It’s like they ran a sub for six years where people personally vented their spleens on what bad managers / bad leaders do… and this person learned NOTHING from it. Nothing at all.

As all the banned users said… the irony is so bad it hurts.

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u/Finesseer Jan 27 '22 Helpful

That's what gets me, literally anyone would be cautious of going into the opposite side's news station, and Doreen waltzes in and makes a complete fool of themselves and everyone they're representing. And this is the best the mod team has to offer?

What's even MORE annoying is that the news anchor wasn't even a massive dick. All the questions were straightforward and made perfect sense for him to ask. I think Waters actually pitied Doreen at the end, which is why he didn't actually go that hard on them.

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u/mlorusso4 Jan 27 '22

Ya feel like she failed the opening questions so badly waters didn’t even see the point of continuing on into the tough ones. There were so many chances if he really wanted to he could have just destroyed her. But she did that to herself

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u/AlexeiSemper Jan 27 '22

She did it to herself *and* the entire subreddit plus all it's members as a whole, this whole situation is a sick and cruel joke. It has to be because this is downright sickening to see.

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u/Bootiekiller69 Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

My first thought was "why didn't this guy clean up his room before displaying it on national television"? At least go out and invest in some type of backdrop if he is too lazy to make his room presentable when its being featured for millions of people. I don't have the neatest room in the world either but, I would at least straighten it up for a couple hours if it was about to be my backdrop for a shitload of people to see and judge me by.

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u/mlorusso4 Jan 27 '22

Or just like move your setup so your backs against a white wall. That’s what I did in college for my first job interviews. It might of at least stopped her from spinning her chair in circles

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u/Appropriate_Pressure Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

That isn't even counting the fact that Doreen openly admitted to sexual assaulting someone and being a creep, and the other mods still allowed her to do that interview.

Oh, and they still haven't told us how much money Doreen and Kimezukae (the 21 year old unemployed anarchist) were paid for these interviews. I haven't seen them answer that question once. I think the money is why they HAD to be the ones that did it.

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u/c_marten Jan 27 '22

There are some conservatives I talk to because I like them and we can discuss things without heat. Then there are a lot of conservatives I don't normally enjoy talking to but do anyway in an attempt to destroy this exact caricature they have in their heads.

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u/germanfartdawgs Jan 27 '22

doreen lied, doreen only works 10 hours a week

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u/Bootiekiller69 Jan 27 '22

I only saw the clip of the interview that is floating around Reddit but, it seemed like they didn't even debate with his philosophy at all. They just made a display of him, "this is the type of person that advocates for these ideals, look at how disgusting his room is. Nuff said". I didn't even understand what he was complaining about, a 20 hour work week? Apparently he doesn't even work 20 hours, something closer to 10 hours. The average college kid works 20 hours while studying and attending classes fulltime. What a useless schlub.

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u/ChickenSandwich61 Jan 27 '22

I wouldn't even trust the mod to walk my dog tbh.

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u/unexpectedreboots Jan 27 '22

HARD HITTING questions. Very difficult to answer appropriately

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u/lacucaracha447 Jan 27 '22 Wholesome

Only had a wholesome award but this made me laugh!

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u/north_canadian_ice banned in r/politics Jan 27 '22

It was a mistake for this to go so far and much more transparency should have been done from the beginning to prevent this.

We just need new mods. The mods caused this mess - they need to go. All of them.

Mods are there to keep a community from imploding, not imploding the community themselves.

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u/Catboxaoi Jan 27 '22

100%. There is no chance that this subreddit can EVER recover if the mod list remains as is. The absolute only excuse any mod should have for staying on the list is if they were unaware interviews were even on the table, ANY mod aware of the interviews that did not step up and say "We are digital janitors and should not attempt to represent the group without express group approval" is a stain on the entire movement.

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u/Kagahami Jan 27 '22

So something I don't understand about this debacle: how much involvement did the mods even have in this? I thought it was the sub owner going rogue. Did any conversation go on between administration?

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u/aon9492 Jan 27 '22

That's not an encouraging statement

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u/iforgotmymittens Jan 27 '22

Imagine the mods that didn’t make the cut. Yeesh.

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u/hypothetician Jan 27 '22

I kinda want to see interviews with the rest now, see how they stack up.

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u/tm0nks Jan 27 '22

I just don't understand how they were so unprepared and horribly unprofessional. You're going into enemy territory on national television...maybe take a shower...brush your hair... position your camera to not include your random shit...god forbid, practice some talking points...just failed on so many levels. I've never done any public speaking and given even an hours time I could have produced a better interview than that. It makes me fucking angry, as it completely undermines the incredibly important message that work culture in America (around the world as well) needs to change.

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u/zilltheinfestor Jan 27 '22

Totally agree.

Fox didn't even have to throw any hardballs here. It was a fluff piece for them to make the entire sub and movement look like a bunch of entitled children. All they had to do, was ask them a few basic questions, and hold back laughter at how ridiculous it all sounded.

Do you think people like Tucker Carlson are going to play nice with info like this? They will run this sub through the meat grinder and leave the scraps behind for other media outlets to joke about. I feel almost embarrassed by association.

Would it have been that difficult to at least discuss what would be said ahead of time? It all looked so unprofessional. Worse than highschool speech class unprofessional.

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u/Correct-Serve5355 Jan 27 '22

And all this came after the fact that after the January 9th episode of "60 minutes" surrounding the Great Resignation, lots of people on that sub blew up their email calling out their lack of diversity in interview choices (4 out of 5 were employers), and how they conveniently avoided the hard questions such as "what wage are you offering your employees? Benefits? What about the competitors?" Also the fact that the 60 Minutes production crew didn't bother interviewing the employees of the employers they interviewed, which conveniently didn't cover the sectors deemed essential in the first year of the pandemic: teaching, customer service, healthcare.

This led to multiple contacts being made to people of the sub (presumably the mods) from outsiders claiming to be affiliated with CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. Asking for interviews.

A poll was made on the antiwork sub asking the community whether or not the mods and community at large should endorse and participate in these kinds of activities. The answer was a resounding NO. Like, not even a potentially questionable NO. Community thinks the issue is said and done, everyone moves on with their lives.

Then this shit happens, and everyone is understandably infuriated.

The writing was on the wall the instant interviews were requested of vocal members of the antiwork community. All it took was one self-righteous mod ignoring the consensus of the community to send the whole movement down in a dumpster fire that made the Fallout 76 release look like it was only an uncomfortable but not bad dream.

Whether or not the 60 minutes blasting is solely what got us here, idk. I'm already unsubbed, but just want to point out the hypocrisy of the mods on this and voice that I will never support this sub in that capacity again, and so should each and every one of you

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u/bigwinniestyle Jan 27 '22

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." - Napoleon Bonapart

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u/fenderc1 Jan 27 '22

How people blame Fox is beyond me. Fox was asking basic news questions to the mod, and the mod put zero thought prior to the interview on what sort of questions they may ask. I was honestly impressed with how he held back his laughter and was relatively respectful the whole time while the mod made an absolute clown out of himself.

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u/dddonehoo Jan 27 '22

One of the few times I've seen such plain almost journalism from them. They were gifted such a beautiful mess. u/abolishwork got used as an absolute pawn.

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u/fenderc1 Jan 27 '22

Just like how u/abolishwork used the person's hand while they slept to jerk off.

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u/packimop Jan 27 '22 Silver Gold Platinum Helpful Wholesome Take My Energy Starry

these morons doing these interviews played exactly into what mass media and corporations wanted to happen.

now it looks like a complete clusterfuck and the narrative is completely lost. this sub was supposed to be a worker's rights movement. now no one knows that the fuck is going on.

going to splinter into a bunch of trash and the neo libs are going to take the narrative and murder it.

way to go you fucks.

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u/WhyDidIDoThatMan420 Jan 27 '22 Helpful

I feel like these people were definitely cherry picked in order to make the movement look bad. Like most news shows seem to do.

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u/MegaDeth6666 Jan 27 '22

Maybe the sub shouldn't have any cherry pickable mods then, eh?

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u/coItmanfraco Jan 27 '22

It shouldn’t matter who the mods are. The sub voted ‘no interviews’. That should have been the end of it.

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u/MegaDeth6666 Jan 27 '22

It was not a random user that went to the interview though, it was a mod with the access to shut down the Sub, which it did.

Mods need to be accountable if they exceed the mandate of janitor.

All the antiwork mods exceeded that mandate.

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u/mehvet Jan 27 '22

Maybe the real lesson is that, despite memes to the contrary, mods play a big role in the content and culture a sub has. It’s a power that is usually subtle but absolutely doesn’t have to be. Janitors don’t have the ability to decide what topics can be discussed in a classroom, or if a school will be open, or who is allowed to attend class.

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u/509TSI Jan 27 '22

You feel like? Fox literally asked for the specific mod they interviewed, and we just WENT WITH IT??

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u/shadow386 Jan 27 '22

Not we. Just these idiots in charge. They do not represent us in any manner and never have.

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u/Ausgezeichnet87 Jan 27 '22

This! People need to look up the Fox News interview with Rutger Bregman. He argued his points well, called Fox News out on their bullshit and then Tucker ended the interview and refused to air it. You cannot win. If Fox News cant spin the interview to support their narrative or make you look stupid then they simply wont air it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nFI2Zb7qE

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u/Unholyhair Jan 27 '22

They could have just declined the interview. Only a complete idiot would think that Fox News would EVER do anything that went against the narrative they push.

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u/Leena_Lenovich Jan 27 '22

True. There was a post where old disalbled person ask for moral support. We give him some kind of support.

But mods with their actions litteraly spit into face of disabled person.

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u/north_canadian_ice banned in r/politics Jan 27 '22

But mods with their actions litteraly spit into face of disabled person.

They spit on Occupy, Bernie 2016 & 2020, BLM, & so many left-wing movements that have coalesced here. Fuck the mods - we just need a clean slate of new mods with community input.

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u/QuantumBitcoin Jan 27 '22 Silver

Perhaps the real problem is attempting to use reddit to organize...

It's structure seems wrong.

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u/bikepunk1312 Jan 27 '22

Fucking this. People need to stop organizing in spaces where you don't intend to ever meet most of the people in that space. Online forums are fine for moving ideas around and exposing people to new concepts, but they are fucking atrocious organizing spaces for sustained movements.

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u/Heavy_Ad_4430 Jan 27 '22

It’s almost as if this has happened before and there’s a playbook for conducting these type of interviews that was so popular that it even made it into a tv show a while back.

https://youtu.be/kwk_Ot8orPY

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u/XEssentialCryIceIs Jan 27 '22

Yep and they're still doing interviews. They're unwilling to give up their 5 minutes in the spotlight to actually help the movement. Fuck em.

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u/rumbletummy Jan 27 '22

Just like every messy workers rights movement ever.

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u/Cli4ordtheBRD Jan 27 '22

Yeah I feel like there's definitely a bit of reading material we could reference from the Gilded Age and beyond...anybody got any good suggestions?

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u/kahhblam Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22 Silver Gold Brighten My Day

Honestly I have followed antiwork for a little over a year and it helped encourage me to quit my job and find a better one. What happened yesterday was extremely disappointing. The interview sucked but the distrust in the mods really upset me tbh.

But I do believe in the community here and I believe the mods are going to realize that their fascist BS is going to end this sub. If we can get past this incident and improve the sub, it's a great place to be.

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u/ixdd Jan 27 '22

Same. I left my company with no job lined up, but I wanted something better and thanks to that small break I felt great. Even got a new job that pays 25% better and I permanently work from home. I work when I need to and chill the rest of the day. Without this sub I probably wouldn't have done that and just kept on working with my horrible employer just because it's a job I needed. This sub has been great and I hope it stays.

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u/themflatearthers Jan 27 '22

Any positions with your WFH employer? I'm currently searching.

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u/ixdd Jan 27 '22

Anything your looking for?

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u/kirsion Jan 27 '22

Anything for entry level data entry, IT, software developers?

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u/Goodgoodgodgod Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

When have fascists taken the right course of action to rectify their deeds? You’re acknowledging their “fascist bs” so why not come to terms that they are not going to fix this willingly.

I mean for fucks sake Doreen, the person who set this all in motion, is already using a barely day old account as a new mod here while supposedly having been removed.

This is not a group of people who want to work with us or hear our voices.

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u/CrystalSplice Jan 27 '22

I mean for fucks sake Doreen, the person who set this all in motion, is already using a barely day old account as a new mod here while supposedly having been removed.

Name the account. That's a violation of Reddit TOS and she needs to be permabanned.

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u/ryecurious Jan 27 '22

It's only a violation of Reddit TOS if she was banned from the sub (falls under ban evasion). Moderating under an alt-account is allowed by site rules, even if this sub will never stand for it.

As for the account name, you can find it on the mod list. It's the only account <18 hours old. Not going to name them explicitly because I'm 99% sure I'll get banned for harassment.

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u/CrystalSplice Jan 27 '22

Well, they claim that the mod team voted to remove her as a mod. Clearly that's either a lie, or they just thought we somehow wouldn't notice. If they stand by that claim that she was removed by vote, then that means someone else on the mod team approved her new account. We are at a point where admins need to get involved, although given how little they seem to care about most things on this site I doubt anything will happen.

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u/Serious_Feedback Jan 27 '22

It doesn't matter whether it's a lie, honestly - if it's not Doreen then why the hell are they on boarding a new moderator now with an empty account that nobody's heard of?

Even if it's not Doreen, that's really idiotic on their part during a period that they're supposedly demonstrating they've ceased doing idiotic things.

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u/therealindigomontoya Jan 27 '22

u/fuzzy-x-3 has a 1 day old account and is a new mod.

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u/burmerd Jan 27 '22

A little heavy-handed calling it fascist. Like maybe reserve that term for more appropriate actions, events, people, etc. Not for an unpaid moderator of an internet discussion group who decided to give an interview on America's second worst news station.

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u/Tstearns2012 Jan 27 '22

What's the worst news station?

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u/burmerd Jan 27 '22

I think OAN is supposed to be worse:

https://www.oann.com/

It's like Fox News if Fox News was created recently.

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u/Kaitensatsuma Jan 27 '22 Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

The mods are the mods, they aren't the community

That means you can keep being the community. BLM getting several corporate shill fronts profiting off them didn't stop the protests, did it?

What part of that surprised you? Capitalism poisons everything it touches, pitting desperate workers against other desperate workers, or picking if not installing figureheads to discredit the community isn't a new tactic

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u/VonFluffington Jan 27 '22 Starstruck

For sure and honestly what kinda anti status quo movement isn't going to have bad press, bad movements, and bad actors? If people truly believe this is a movement and not just a place to shit post about a popular sentiment then they should work to fix it and help it rebound. If people want to fold this easily then there was never actually any sort of resilient movement with the power to make real change here to begin with.

Also, been seeing too many moderates using this as a way to co-opt the anti-capitalist sentiments that helped wake people up to how abused they are and how radical changes need to be made so they can defang them into "reformist" weak willed bs that literally never works. If people really think we got any of the meager labor rights we actually have in the US by being reformists who ask nicely and try to nudge the needle along with baby steps then I implore them to read about the blood that was actually spilled to get to this point.

Regardless of what happens here people who want to actually see change should start organizing to some degree in real life. The IWW has been doing great work making headlines unionizing places recently, maybe join up with them and see where that leads you.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

How about a change of mods... Not the removal of the sub... I think that is wise

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u/wheresthelamb-saucee Jan 27 '22 Gold

Fr. Mf made an alt account and right away made herself has a mod and started deleting post about her claiming “shitpost”

u/fuzzy-x-3

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u/BarnyTrubble Jan 27 '22 This

Before that fox news interview I would have thought that surely, no one would be so vapid or dense as to think they could make a BRAND NEW alt, then seamlessly transition to it after privating the sub, and think nobody would notice; yet here we are. With u/fuzzy-x-3 AKA DOREEN as a brand new mod. WELCOME BACK DOREEN.

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u/EndVry Jan 27 '22

She has -99 karma lmao.

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u/Prestigious-Move6996 Jan 27 '22

Exactly. Who the fuck she think she is fooling.... Just go and hide in a hole for a couple weeks then try again? Likely when the sub is dead.

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u/Akuuntus Jan 27 '22

I'm pretty sure karma can't go below -99 in order to discourage downvote farming.

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u/aidspreader420 Jan 27 '22

Holy shit, she is so unhinged it's scary.

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u/drgr33nthmb Jan 27 '22

Not at all surprised.

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u/CrystalSplice Jan 27 '22

This is ban evasion / subversion of a vote to remove her as a mod and that is a violation of Reddit TOS. Everyone who can needs to be reporting her new account for this.

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u/Goodgoodgodgod Jan 27 '22

Ah, weaponizing a POC avatar now too. What a low effort shit move.

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u/kenkoda Jan 27 '22

Na, look at the white hands.

It's blackface.

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u/Goodgoodgodgod Jan 27 '22

Whew. Well, that’s cool then.

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u/MrBicepcurl Jan 27 '22

Haha 17h old account and have only been deleting post🙈 Fucking loser that never will amount to anything

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Probably time for a revolution or a new sub. At least a new sub guarantees new change and people will sub.

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u/Jojoflap Jan 27 '22 Silver Gold

You'd have better luck telling a tree to chop itself than you would getting jannies to step down.

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u/Iankalou Jan 27 '22

What is a Jannie? I'm out of the loop

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u/DaggerStone Jan 27 '22

It’s a term for volunteer internet janitor, or a mod. Their only power is cleaning up after users

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u/timmy6169 Jan 27 '22

"But it is MY SUB, I spent 10 hours over the past two days here. I deserve this!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Hmmmmmm I think a new sub would suffice then

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u/djbrain86 Jan 27 '22 Silver

We’ll make a new anti work sub! With black jack and hookers!

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u/MrBalanced Jan 27 '22 Helpful

As long as the blackjack dealers and hookers receive a living wage

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u/djbrain86 Jan 27 '22

Absolutely! And with tax breaks and specialty insurance.

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u/slater126 Jan 27 '22

the mods dont give a single fuck.

THERE IS A 16 HOUR OLD ACCOUNT WHO WAS MADE A MOD IMMEDIATLY.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Bruh, wtf how's that possible?

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u/Dr_OktoberfestYT Jan 27 '22

Step 1: mod makes new account

Step 2: mod gives the new account mod status using current account

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u/SR2K Jan 27 '22

Because it's just Moroneen with an alt.

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u/BigBadBob7070 Jan 27 '22

B/c the Mods control the rules in this sub, so there’s nothing stopping them from banning u/Abolishwork and then having her make an Alt account and making her mod again.

If these jackasses ever had to work for corporate, they just might get an idea of how much they’re acting like them by making some really dumb decision that negatively affects them and everyone else in the group, denies all responsibility, cracks down on anyone who rightfully tries to hold them accountable, and any attempt to assuage the people are shallow and purely performative.

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u/Glorfon Jan 27 '22

I agree. If the mods won't step down, why would we expect them to close the sub?

We have a community of 1.7 million here. I don't want to lose that over one bad reaction to crappy interview.

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u/Majulath99 Jan 27 '22

Mods should go. In fact I think that until proven otherwise every current mod should be presumed inadequate because according to a comment from u/AbolishWork, they received the request to do the interview via mod mail & they all agreed that Doreen should do it. Which means that their failure to understand what a god awful terrible idea that was was one they should all have been aware of, that it is systemic.

Because they knew what this was, they knew that they were unprepared, and they still decided to do it. They saw a storm coming, sailed straight into it, and are currently throwing a fit that the boat capsized, refusing to accept that it is entirely 100% their fault.

The current moderation team here is unfit for purpose. Incompetent & inadequate. Incapable of properly representing both Marxist & more general left leaning politics in any meaningful capacity. The whole team needs to be audited to make sure that mistakes like this never happen again, and that the movement isn’t handicapped by incompetent fools who are not ready to appear on camera.

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u/All-Day-stoner Jan 27 '22

Completely agree. If Doreen was the best person for the interview, the rest of the fucking idiots can't be any better.

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u/Majulath99 Jan 27 '22

So true. She was the best could offer to represent their ideals apparently, and she was shit at it.

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u/TheCocksmith Jan 27 '22

The sheer arrogance of that mod post is baffling. A fucking 21 year old that's never had a full time job is representing people with real labor law issues?!?! Who the fuck do they think they are? They literally said they aren't doing any more interviews, for now. For now?? Who gave them the authority to represent anyone? They are online moderators, not the leaders of a movement.

This is exactly the stereotype that everybody thinks of when they think of online moderators. Talk about taking a tiny amount of power and inflating your damn ego with it. Jesus, this sub is fucked.

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u/Majulath99 Jan 27 '22

And it’s sad because it had such great potential, to be part of the change that so many people need to improve quality of life and make society better. And now everyone thinks it about confused foolish kids who don’t even understand the practicalities of their ideals who can’t be arsed to work more than twenty hours a week.

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u/only_self_posts Jan 27 '22

Hey guys ModA here to introduce the new mod: TotallyNotModA.

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u/greenfiend97 Jan 27 '22

These mods aren't leaving. They're literally making money off of this sub, they're going to ride it straight into the ground.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

I could see that be the case besides reddit is just a corpse of its former self at this point

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u/missblimah Jan 27 '22

Playing right into Fox News' hand. Divide and conquer.

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u/Impossible_Ad_4282 Jan 27 '22 Gold

I don't think shutting it down is the right call , but there must be a change , a moderator who wants to ride this subreddit to get what he/she wants is no different than a money hungry rich employer, but still , people like that shouldn't be able to stop the movement, don't give up on the dream .

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u/higglyjuff Jan 27 '22

Yup if you are going to have someone represent the sub on media, at least get someone with media experience. I could see leftist media being pretty good resources to represent the sub in a meaningful way.

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u/Fluid_Association_68 Jan 27 '22

I feel like a good representative of r/antiwork should have experience in, ya know, working. And you’re totally right about media experience.

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u/el_grort Jan 27 '22

Or people familiar with being a union spokeperson or union lawyer. You know, people familiar with balancing representing the working class and keeping the media at bay.

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u/EmiAndTheDesertCrow Jan 27 '22

As a media relations exec, I agree. It’s absolutely vital that anyone who is put before the press, especially in a live interview, is experienced. Honestly, it brings me out in a cold sweat just thinking about someone going on national TV with no idea of what’s going to confront them, especially Fox News. The potential for damage to reputation is colossal. Having media experience, or being well prepped by someone with media experience, is non negotiable in my view.

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u/killians1978 Jan 27 '22

I fully support this. I wrote this post because the "explanation and transparency" post by u/kimezukae did a lot to convince me this was not on the table in the short term, though it desperately needs to be. As several commenters who are much better with words than me had pointed out, it was a shift of blame and a lot of juke and dodging that amounted to little more than "mistakes were made 🤷‍♂." If the mods could make such a change and put a media centered corrective action plan in play, I could have more faith in it.

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u/Herbetet Jan 27 '22

Of course it didn’t what are expecting from a 21 year old long term unemployed anarchist that thinks going on 4 interviews representing us was a good idea?

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u/Striking-Tip7504 Jan 27 '22

The sad part is he feels discriminated by his age. Complete victim mentality.

How arrogant/delusional do you have to be as someone who’s unemployed basically their entire life at 21 to think you have the intelligence, skills or life experience to lead and represent a movement. For him to even think he’d be in the top 10% of people in that community that are qualified enough to do it would already be delusional. 1.6M people and he thinks he is better then almost all of them.

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u/EmiAndTheDesertCrow Jan 27 '22

I feel like that’s a decent suggestion. I work in media relations and even for the most insignificant press interactions (written statements, pre-recorded radio sound bites) we have a solid media plan in place. The risks of failure are too great if you don’t.

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u/thecrazydemoman Jan 27 '22 Gold Wholesome Narwhal Salute

Antiwork is a perfect place for people to come and share their capitalist horror stories, and then to have people share socialist ideology as a response.

This sort of sentiment posted here is exactly what destroys the left, division and divisiveness have no place in our movement. We need to learn from this, okay no more interviews, and we need to just continue to push and move forward. Don't fight each other, don't have purity tests, don't have witch hunts and dog piles. We need to fight the capitalists not each other, we need to unify and work together.

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u/Da_Splurnge Jan 27 '22

THIS should be top comment.

Not trying to be a dick, but imo, OP is either willfully attempting to do damage to this fledgling movement or is simply playing into the hands of the people who would like to see this movement quenched.

OP (of the post, not the comment) is doing way more harm than good with this post. If they ACTUALLY give a shit about any of the substance beind this sub/movement, they would see that they're hurting all of our chances at improving working conditions for tens of millions of people. That is, provided OP isn't some kind of saboteur or useful idiot of the oligarchs 🤷

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u/Tapirsonlydotcom Jan 27 '22

Capitalists are moving for the kill rn. It's so obvious

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u/dianesprouts Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22 Silver Gold Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Eureka!

bro this is EXACTLY what fox news is hoping for. we must stick together and build this movement. no movement is without struggle and infighting. we can work through this with or without the mods. splintering the group is not going to help anyone

edit: since this comment is getting a bit of traction I'd like to recommend that everyone watch the Cesar Chavez movie. I think we can all learn from it. I've been posting around some strategies we can use and I just want more people to see it. we CAN get organized and we CAN make real change if we stick together. here's some of their strategies from the United Farm Workers movement.

  1. oath pledge to non-violence. Cesar literally kicked people out of the union if they were violent

  2. tons of phone banking and leaf letting both for volunteer recruitment as well as getting support for the boycott

  3. appealing to emotions. there is a scene in the movie where they are doing their pilgrimage to Sacramento, and a lady from Portland had drove down saying she had seen the pictures of children working in the fields and she wanted to help.

  4. they had a weekly newsletter for their members. I think the bigger this movement gets the more we need to be on the same page, otherwise the division tears us apart

  5. uniting with other communities. it wasn't just Mexican farmworkers rallying the movement, they worked with Filipinos as well and worked very hard to get people from all backgrounds and religions on their side. "it's a common sense human rights issue"

  6. targeting just one company at a time. Cesar Chavez famously led the grape boycott and targeted just one company. once they were done he moved on to another

  7. relentless persistence. when Nixon bailed out the growers by exporting their grapes to Europe, Cesar went straight there and did tons of interviews to gain support for his movement. and it worked!! after this point the growers gave up and conceded

  8. knowing your rights!!

  9. PATIENCE. they striked and boycotted for five years. big change takes time and we cannot give up so easily

I highly recommend everyone to watch this movie. I think implementing similar strategies could really work for us, we don't need to reinvent the wheel, we can learn from the successes and failures of other movements

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u/General_Ch0 Jan 27 '22 Wholesome

As much as I appreciate this sentiment and am disappointed with the actions of the mods, it is incredibly important to keep this sub going. By shutting it down we send a message that one bad Fox interview is enough to send this whole movement into disarray. Action should taken internally to better represent the will of the members, but ultimately the subs survival is crucial.

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u/AdWest38 Jan 27 '22 Silver

I disagree, the sub should live.

While it definitely took a hit or two in the last few days, it doesn’t change the reason for why people come here:

This sub isn’t just mods, it’s majority consists of people who want to share their experiences in (or out of) the workforce, offer advice and insight to each other.

It amounts to much more than an interview on Fox News.

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u/KvVortex Jan 27 '22

Don’t mind me I’m just gonna sort by controversial…

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u/fixthismess Jan 27 '22

I feel that shutting down /r/antiwork would be serving the interests of those that want to keep workers enslaved and suffering. If you do shut down the subreddit then we all lose our voices. And if we lose our voices then who benefits? Not us but big business and big government.

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u/Old-Ad-7649 Jan 28 '22

These cowards actually deleted the post.

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u/Indrid_Cold23 Jan 27 '22

If one bad interview is enough to sink your entire movement, you never had a movement to begin with. All you had was LARPING.

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u/themolestedsliver Jan 27 '22

If one bad interview is enough to sink your entire movement, you never had a movement to begin with. All you had was LARPING.

I think people are being overly dramatic when they talk about "it ruined our movement"...however the interview wasn't just a shot in the foot it damn near blew off the entire leg.

Fox news asked for the interview to help create their caricature and abolishwork did that for them in spades.

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u/GrumboGee Jan 27 '22

dont shut it down. move on

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Any movement that gains popularity this quick is going to have bad actors, including mods. Shutting it down doesn't do anything, if you want to make a sub go make a sub

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u/eidolonengine Eco-Anarchist Jan 27 '22

You came onto an anti-work subreddit to complain about anarchists? Do you go into coffee shops to complain about caffeine?

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u/Binknbink Jan 27 '22

Nah. The alternative sub is two weeks away from cheering on casual Fridays and pizza parties.

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u/TAR_TWoP Jan 27 '22

How suspicious are all these coordinated posts claiming for a shutdown of this powerful sub? I'm not surprised, but it's still impressive.

I guess folks at Kellogg's and other big employers were waiting for an opportunity to strike back.