r/antiwork Jan 27 '22 Silver 1 Gold 1 Wholesome 1 Take My Energy 1

Moderators Need To Step Back Or Down

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u/rftaylor26 Jan 27 '22

just here for the popcorn at this point, though I truly do feel for the people who were invested in this sub. To have it manipulated and desecrated by a few power hungry people exactly like the people they were trying to fight against is a little too on the nose

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u/MajesticViper7 Jan 27 '22

Same, this fire is out of control

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u/TtotheC81 Jan 27 '22

It's pretty much scorched earth at this point. The trust went up with the nuclear fire that was the Fox interview. Anything else is secondary explosions. Whether or not it was stupidity or malicious sabotage, it's opened the movement up to bad faith actors exploiting the fallout, which makes it incredibly difficult to take posts on face value.

There's a reason leftist movements in the real world are often so paranoid about infiltration by agent provocateurs.

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u/northernlightaboveus Jan 27 '22

I think it's definitely some form of sabotage. Even I think I'm a little crazy for thinking that like some sort of conspiracy theorist but I kinda do.

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u/Hot_Drummer7311 Jan 27 '22

😃🤏🍿

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u/BeHereNow91 Jan 27 '22

I truly do feel for the people who were invested in this sub

People need to remember that before the surge in membership over the last year or so, the moderators represented what this community was about. This sub, for a long time, was actually about being against the idea of working for a living. It was much more about UBI than about securing better rights. It was literally about anti-work.

In a way, I feel bad for OG members here that had their sub more or less taken over by people who are so against their message. It was essentially brigaded by people making posts about shitty employers, and eventually that theme just stuck and sucked in the million members that are here now. It would be like r/football being taken over by American football fans and then said fans getting annoyed that all the moderators are actually “soccer” fans.

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u/BIGMurph7117 Jan 27 '22

Psy op

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u/ChessBorg Jan 27 '22

I have a feeling a lot of the commenters are just trolls. Yea, shit got screwed up but why should 1 dumb interview wreck everything? lol Definitely seems like trolls to me.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

It wasn’t just one dumb interview though. It’s about to be 4 more with a different mod that calls themselves a 21 year long term unemployed and that has a low grasp of the English language. And that 1 dumb interviewer admitted to multiple sexual assaults on FB

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u/FPSzero Jan 27 '22

Because one dumb interview became the poster child for the movement.

It was a good run, but we blew it in one interview.

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u/ChessBorg Jan 27 '22

You are weak willed if that is what you think. A bad interview doesn't define a movement. Its a setback, but not a reset.

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u/FPSzero Jan 27 '22

Our movement was based on credibility.

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u/gay_joey Jan 27 '22

Because it exposed what this sub was created for and who it was created by. The sub was co-opted by the working class who just wanted fair working conditions and to not live paycheck to paycheck working horrible jobs their entire lives with no chance of retirement. It became a convenient place to subscribe and find like-minded people who want the same thing they want.

I'm sure there are a lot of trolls who are vibing with the drama, but it's not just about the interview. It's about the lack of cohesion and understanding when it comes to what "the community" wants vs what "the mods" want. That also creates a lot of trolls who were otherwise just participating members of the sub in the past.

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u/ChessBorg Jan 27 '22

I agree there is reason in what you're saying.

A change in mods would be good for the sub.

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u/lokishhhake Jan 27 '22

Mods are confusing themselves with a manager who we all collectively hate .

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u/Undorkins Jan 27 '22

It's like they were looking at the 50 threads a day here about incompetent and irresponsible management and started taking notes on how to steer this subreddit.

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u/PurpleBonesGames Jan 27 '22

"Mods hurt themselves in confusion!"

"It's super effective!"

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u/AboveAverageAdult Jan 27 '22

If this group collectively voted on the WORST person possible to do an interview on Fox, it wouldn’t have been this bad.

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u/BlazeORS Jan 27 '22

Ive heard fox asked for them specifically, explains a lot.

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u/Axelrad77 Jan 27 '22

That's not true and not how tv interviews typically work. Even if Fox did request someone, the mods could've declined and had final say on who to send. Mods themselves said that they chose the rep they did because they thought she would be best at it.

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u/BIG_YETI_FOR_YOU Jan 27 '22

Factually false and Fox do NOT vet their interview candidates that well. They've let satirists on who take the piss for 5+ minutes before.

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u/thorscope Jan 27 '22

They were the head mod. Fox asked for the head mod to do an interview.

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u/Jsm1370 Jan 27 '22

Wonder how much worse if the other mods thought this person was the best?

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u/Dazzling-Duty741 Jan 27 '22

No, see, antiwork means you don’t have to prepare for interviews because that sounds like work

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

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u/myne Jan 27 '22

Skimming through those screenshots, frankly, assuming the one side portrayed is somewhat accurate, it seems like both parties are fucked in the head. No one in their right mind sleeps in the same bed as someone who jerked off with them in it twice.

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u/quidquid_agis Jan 27 '22

soo - we victim-blaming now?

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u/myne Jan 28 '22

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.

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u/quidquid_agis Jan 28 '22

Irrelevant in determining the appropriateness of the perpetrator's behaviour. There is no excuse for sexual assault.

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u/myne Jan 28 '22

That's true. But as r/leopardsatemyface and r/hermancainawards demonstrate, there are predictable consequences for ignoring warnings.

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u/supergamer422 Jan 27 '22

True, but many victims are gaslit into thinking its okay. I was convinced so much mental abuse I suffered wasn't abuse, and believed it because I was told it wasn't abuse.

If you never get validated that you are abused you don't set boundaries. Until you get the room to see the truth away from the fog of lies you can't see what's happening.

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u/myne Jan 27 '22

I'm not sure the person in question is smart enough to gaslight someone who is literally leaving themselves notes because of CO poisoning.

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u/supergamer422 Jan 27 '22

The people who did it to me weren't either. It's surprisingly easy to gaslight someone. Especially if you have any position of power or authority or even the mentality of it. Even easier if they target prior victims of manipulation because the ground work is already there.

Edit: in fact that's why this movement is gaining traction. People were gaslit into thinking working to death was noble by a position of power (bosses). If you can see that, you should be able to see the comparison in this example, just on a smaller scale.

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u/aw2669 Jan 27 '22

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted for these truth bombs. I’m sorry that happened to you

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u/captaincrunch00 Jan 27 '22

The best part is it's prewritten.

"I knew I'd eventually get accused of rape for jacking off in bed next to people so I prepared this months ago just for a time like this. Who's the idiot now, idiots?"

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u/BIG_YETI_FOR_YOU Jan 27 '22

Lmao all of the moderators need to step down, they're covering for and allowed back in a literal rapist.

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u/Extreme-Kale-6540 (edit this) Jan 27 '22

You do have a point but remember that all this feedback come crushing in. It is deserved but they are still humans, many might have not even realize what has happened or the effect it had

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u/Razur Jan 27 '22

The mods need to start communicating.

There's like 5 posts on the front page right now saying the new moderator added is an alt account of u/abolishwork, when it's actually one of their Discord mods helping out.

They should be making sticky comments on these threads clarifying the misinformation about their own mod team.

Communication is key. If they want to be—or at least look like—they're in-tune with the community, they need to validate some of the criticism here and make that validation visible to the community (see sticky comments).

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u/aocbb Jan 27 '22

You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22

Expo here-- 11 year redditor and 40 year old worker. Been doing other people's computer chores for a living for about 26 years now.

If you'd like to discuss the US Labor Movement in a non-fucky environment, please consider visiting /r/USLaborMovement

I started it after the Fox teainwreck, when the mods in /r/AntiWork started banning people for complaining about their lies and betrayal of the community.

Stop on by if you'd like!

I ain't never gonna ban nobody for saying things I don't like-- I wouldn't do that. That's bossman union busting shit.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

I feel like this is the correct response. You don’t like what the mods do here, so band together and start a sub that matches your political philosophy. A+

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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22

With blackjack. And hookers.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

Your call. I’m in the sex work abolitionist camp, but you can have a liberal sub if you want.

I as a Marxist Leninist personally don’t agree with the political philosophy of this sub, so I never post. But, I appreciate the work they’re doing and for a lot of people this is a safe place to begin to develop the class consciousness that they’ve been repressing. IMO, it’s a stop along the way to becoming a principled revolutionary.

I half ass started my own sub and asked some mods of ML subs to get involved and they ignored me. Best of luck with yours. ✌🏼

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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22

Sorry, it was a joke from Futurama.

I do believe that sex work is valid work though... if/ when all societal problems contributing to forced prostitution are addressed. Otherwise it's a recipe for suffering.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

The sex work abolition conversation is a bit too nuanced. If you’re interested there’s a great podcast “Probably Cancelled” that discusses the topic in depth. It radically changed my perspective on the topic.

But, a few key points:

1) often sex work is promoted as liberating for women, but only focuses on a particular class of sex workers(beautiful and successful white women), while the majority of sex work is sex trafficking of the most vulnerable women and children. 2) Proletarian feminists/sex work abolitionist don’t argue for criminalization of sex workers, but rather their exploitation. 3) both political parties in the US support sex work and the exploitation of women, but using different legal fronts that give them access to women’s bodies without the criticism of the public eye.

Anyway, even if you disagree the podcast is worth a listen. Though, some episodes get fairly conspiratorial and wacky, when the host sticks to her core message it’s solid.

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u/jthomas287 Jan 27 '22

The mods are just as bad as the people they claim to fight against.

If given power, they would make you work for minimum wage and no time off too. They only care about themselves.

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u/johnnymoonwalker Jan 27 '22

This is the worse take ever. Really showing the shitty flood of assholes trying to shut this place down.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

You approve of what Doreen did in that interview? Representing 2 million people As a sexual assaulter? And the 21 year old that’s never had a job taking the helm and giving four more interviews on our behalf?

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u/3K04T Jan 27 '22

Stop equating the actions of the mod and support for the sub. He's a shitty person, but he doesn't reflect the movement.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I literally never did that. They chose to represent us on the most watched news network and made us all look like idiots, and is still part of the mod team removing and banning people for speaking against their shitty actions AND that 21 year old never worked a day and their life mod has already done 4 more interviews. They chose to represent us. And they fucked up by not having any real life experience or knowledge. If you approve of their representation of us, that’s idk what to say, have fun? They don’t, and yet are just trying to get a piece of limelight

Edit: also it’s she not he. Doreen. Don’t misgender someone even if they’re a shit head

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u/3K04T Jan 27 '22

Equating the shit head to venture capitalists, as you did in your top comment, is still uncalled for. They messed up big time, yes. Rip on the mod team, not the sub

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Lol where in this exactly did I say Doreen is a venture capitalist SHE (that he was uncalled for if anything and you should change it) is a socialist supposedly, HER own words. And pick one for fucks sake I’m either equating them to venture capitalists or to “this sub and movement” how tf am I doing both. Quote me where I equate any mod to either of those two things. I’m pissed they equated themselves with us. You’re clearly here just to be argumentative with no real reason so I think I’m done responding to you. The entire mod team should be disbanded not just Doreen.

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u/3K04T Jan 27 '22

My bad, it wasn't you. The person who started this comment thread called her a capitalist.

And yeah I agree, the mod team needs to go, time to start from scratch.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Thank you for owning up to your mistake and being respectful about it. I was really confused lol

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u/3K04T Jan 27 '22

Yeah, sorry bout that. I'm tired af from working, and I think I need to disengage from the sub for a while. It'd really sad to see the it in this state.

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u/Worldwonderer2021 Jan 27 '22

No just repeating posts and again and again 1.7 million of them

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u/Ostalgi Jan 27 '22

Mods are janitors, nothing more.

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u/kiklion Jan 27 '22

Criticism? The majority of posts seem to be people complaining that antiwork is antiwork and not something else.

If a sub is about antiwork, and a bunch of people go there claiming it is about something else, that’s trolling or brigading… not just ‘criticism’.

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u/Protoetype Jan 27 '22

It's a free sub to browse. You want a movement? Go make one of yourself and do all the work necessary. This sub doesn't owe you shit. Stop looking for a great leader and guild yourself. BE THE CHANGE YOU WANT TO SEE.

Thank you Antiwork for offering us all so much insight. People are embarrassed and butthurt and it's funny, anyone who fights for what's right gets embarrassed all the time and they keep going. THAT'S HOW IT IS. Welcome to activism.

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u/johnnymoonwalker Jan 27 '22

This whole situation has show how hard the fucking corpos are watching this sub and similar movements. How easy it was to become a threat.

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u/MK_521998 Jan 27 '22

Is there a way to contact Reddit itself and have them all removed??

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u/Rambo_One2 Jan 27 '22

They have royally screwed the pooch. If a manager did this, would that manager keep their job? Even when all the employees called for the termination of said manager? If not, surely it would end up on this subreddit (you know, before it fell apart)

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u/Savings-Pain5335 Jan 27 '22

If we mimic the top down hierarchy used by companies and the government, this sub will fail. Mods should be chosen by the community, rigorously scrutinized, held accountable, have a limit on how long they are mods. We don’t need charismatic leaders that hold indefinite power and will ultimately use their position for personal gain. To put it in a platitude, we need to be the change we want to see in the world.

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u/Chiliconkarma Jan 27 '22

Hand over power to corpo!!

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u/Stevemacdev Jan 27 '22

Mods need to step down. We need new mods that know what they're doing.

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u/AuthorTomFrost Libertarian-Socialist (ask me how!) Jan 27 '22

This is a great way to guarantee this forum becomes a breeding ground for the alt-right. Demand the moderators step down. Install mods who either won't do the basics of keeping obvious right-wing trolls out or who are here to actively subvert. Watch everything go to shit.

This forum needs moderation and, unless we have a slate of genuinely sympathetic would-be moderators waiting in the wings to volunteer, a mass resignation would be a disaster.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

Alt-right? At least read their sidebar. The sub isn’t a liberal sub, it’s an anarchist anti-work sub and the mods are trying to keep it that way.

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u/AuthorTomFrost Libertarian-Socialist (ask me how!) Jan 27 '22

Exactly my point.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

I’d love for you to elaborate. Are you saying liberals aren’t right wing?

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u/AuthorTomFrost Libertarian-Socialist (ask me how!) Jan 27 '22

I'm saying that there is a constant pressure in this sub and many others to turn it into an alt-right recruiting ground. The current mod team has done a pretty good job of keeping it from happening.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

Oh gotcha. Yeah, I’m sure the current shitstorm is a capitalist campaign.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

What kind of content are you posting?

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u/bite_me_losers Jan 27 '22

Not sure what you're asking. I made this post because I've seen negative feedback locked & removed, and I believe that's truly not the way to move forward.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22

Yeah I’m just asking what it is that you want to see here. They have a fairly in depth side bar and a fairly unusual political philosophy. For the mods this is a labor of love and they don’t want to see it co-opted by, perhaps well meaning, but uninformed/unstudied individuals.

I don’t even personally align with the mods here as they’re more anarchistic and I’m more Marxist Leninist. But I simply don’t post and hardly ever comment due to that philosophical difference. I even half ass created my own subreddit for ML antiwork sentiment.

I think your comment about them being like “the management we all hate” is a bit backwards and entitled. The workload for a subreddit that blew up in popularity is tremendous. Telling the mods how to do the work and what form and shape the subreddit should take disregards the immense amount of work they’ve put in to maintaining this subreddit as well as the work they’ve put in to developing their personal political philosophy. It’s not too different from telling Leonardo Da’Vinci that he should have given Mona Lisa stronger eyebrows.

It’s hard to imagine, because politically in the US people have a lot of liberal pre-conditioning. The mods here have a political tendency/bias. It’s something the people who come here need to accept, that the mods will not, should not, allow the project they have put in countless hours turn into some kind of cuddly capitalism liberal echo chamber.

So, for what it’s worth I don’t have any issues with how the mods feel they need to do their job. Their sub, their philosophy, their freedom to mod how they wish. ✌🏼

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u/bite_me_losers Jan 27 '22

Simply put, I want them to see that they're moderators, not community leaders. They're here to remove hate speech, not to take interviews on television that sabotage the entire movement. They're not here to silence the voices of the community, and they shouldn't be trying to do so.

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u/RaisedByHoneyBadgers Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I’m watching the interview now. What do you feel they said incorrectly represents the goals of the community? It sounds fairly in line with the sidebar so far.

I’m just curious what you see as the goal of “this movement?” My sense is that there is a growing block of people that should start their own liberal version, r/workplacecomplaints or something like that. I’m not super plugged in here though. Maybe there’s something more radical you would propose?

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u/bite_me_losers Jan 28 '22

I would argue it's less about what they said and how they presented themselves and the argument.

If you watch that interview and think it went great for r/antiwork I don't know what to tell you. It did not. It made this community look like a bunch of lazy bums, frankly. The community didn't want this person representing them and you should be perfectly aware of that.

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u/SuperSocrates Jan 27 '22

Liberals get out

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u/Up2Eleven Jan 27 '22

This sub has become like the Trump Presidency...as soon as you think you've seen the craziest, stupidest shit ever, some new fresh hell comes along to lower the bar even more.

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u/stupidsheepevrywhere Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

Watching you guys eat your own is like legitimately a character study in why progressive can't get shit accomplished in this world. And y'all wonder why the Right owns your asses and always will. Dumb shit like this is why the progressive are doomed. Petty fucking nonsense. You're on a free fucking internet board that's moderated by people who never matured past middle school you expect it to be run to YOUR liking, Jesus Christ.

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u/80BAIT08 Jan 27 '22

The sub is fucked. They've just added /u/dottiemommy a /r/politics mod

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u/TWAT_BUGS Jan 27 '22

Lol not gonna happen. Seek shelter elsewhere, this place is going to be dead once people get bored of trolling u/fuzzy-x-3

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u/CapnTugg Jan 27 '22

We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

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u/sayerofstuffs Jan 27 '22

I haven’t seen this much anti admin/mod hate since being a admin on a forum in the mid 2000’s

ah the good ol days

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u/UselessLayabout Jan 27 '22

Moderators: 'Roflmao no, banned hahahahahahahaha....'

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u/Mammoth-Table9680 Jan 27 '22

They took down their own post because of negative feed back. Is there another sub yet that we can all collectively jump ship to?

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u/FPSzero Jan 27 '22

Antiwork has become the thing we wanted to destroy.

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u/ExOblivion Jan 27 '22

Down with the mods. The community needs to pick new mods and have them put in place.

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u/Adventurous_Cream_19 Jan 27 '22

We all become the thing that we hate... lol

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u/poppy_barks Jan 27 '22

Just leave man. This sub is dead. Nothing can save it at this point. I won’t tell you the new sub, because people are getting banned for even saying it. But it’s not hard to find :)

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u/XamuelTF Jan 27 '22

They went on a power trip and the community left them. The irony. Can’t even run an anarchist subreddit without going on a transrights unemployment rights power trip on Fox news

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u/WheelZgoRound Jan 27 '22

Lmao fuck these fatass mods bro. I bet they think what they do is a real job that just SOOOOOOOOO hard. Fuckin losers lmao

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u/Asilver88 Jan 27 '22

The Mods are all dogwalkers.

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u/MMAMathematician Jan 27 '22

They won’t because they’re RETAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADED

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u/ZenithLags Jan 27 '22

I think people get that they are bought and paid for. Better if we all move on together and ditch the mods r/AntiWorkSub

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u/Thatonesplicer Jan 27 '22

Mods have the same power and respect as a mall cop. They aren't leaders or spokesmen for the movement. Their job is just to basically direct traffic (remind people to use correct flairs) and remove graffiti (delete off topic threads) and thats basically it.

Mall cops don't go take back the white house from terrorists and then hold a press conference afterwards. The fact that these imbeciles seem to think they deserve some kind of power or level of influence shows these people SHOULD NOT be given any. Not even mall cop level power.

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u/encopitt Jan 27 '22

With great power comes... Wait, no this is Reddit mods we're talking about responsibility is rtfo. Mods are mods not spokespeople. No one has the right to represent this sub without legitimate approval from the masses. Don't know how you'd get that, but STFU if you think you can do press without having any idea what you're talking about.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

INB4 this is locked too

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u/junkfoodisbae Jan 27 '22

Just let's go to work reform subreddit

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u/Rualsum Jan 27 '22

I agree they need to step back. They should never give interviews They do not speak for us. Our posts and actions say all that needs to be said.

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u/BeingABeing Jan 27 '22

You know how in functioning democracies, after a government scandal, the entire government resigns voluntarily?

Just a thought.

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u/TheSt4tely Jan 27 '22

This isn't brigading. This is your community. You can check my history.

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u/Ermzyy Jan 27 '22

the worst part is that we’re only in this situation because one of the mods of this subreddit felt themselves more worthy to speak on our movements behalf than the rest of us, simply because they just so happen to be a moderator. fucking embarrassing

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u/Ruludos Jan 27 '22

they’re being paid to poison the well, nothing else makes sense to me

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u/SomeNative Jan 27 '22

"Moderators, stand back and stand by..."

-Doreen, probably.

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u/Kingsen idle Jan 27 '22

The mods are literally self-described anarchists being tyrants. The irony is lost on them

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u/Cats_n_Space Jan 27 '22

Come on... Come on! Do it! Do it! Come on. Come on! Ban me! I'm here! Ban me! I'm here! Ban me! Come on! Ban me! I'm here! Come on! Do it now! Ban me!

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u/Tsilibithras Jan 27 '22

I can clearly understand that mistakes happen.

I can clearly understand that this mess was somehow going to happen one way or another.

I can clearly see that a lot of new posts are not from antiwork people but people trying to make more noise in this sub.

I can't understand though, why mods don't leave their position. And I don't mean instantly, just one by one by finding people who have the time and the right background to mod this sub and to be fair I would prefer anarchism related mods as people following this ideology are not really into positions of power. When I saw this sub I thought that most of the initial members were anarchists as the denial of work is a common ground in most of anarchist spectrum ideologies. Although, situation proved me wrong. They are really holding their positions without an apparent reason, and they are trying to cover things up and I don't see the honesty in their responses.

My final thought is that this place gave a platform for everyone to express their work related struggle and to be fair it made some important chance. This idiotic situation shouldn't stop anyone who had faith in this. Even a new sub (???) or just let this thing pass and continue from where we left, of course, if mods dont hinder the movement.

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u/sjspho Jan 27 '22

To be fair, I was fucking moron at 21 as well. A moron, but not a rapist.

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u/XenoMetrick Jan 27 '22

This was never about a movement, or helping others, or even making a change. Thanks to the scumbag fuck who finally pulled the thinly veiled facade away from the ugly face of truth. This is, was, and always has been a Mod Cult. So any chances of going legit are thrown clean the fuck away and now people are seeing the truth.