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u/dudius7 Jan 27 '22 •
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I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories, but if someone wanted to break up the antiwork movement they would do things like this. A sub would see an exodus over mod drama, new subs would try to replace, but they wouldn't be unified, and you'd see more mod drama and exodus. Same thing happened with the GME subs.
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u/My_50_lb_Testes Jan 27 '22
I was in those subs during all of that, too. Is it me? Am I the baddie?
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u/Kagahami Jan 27 '22
It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a documented tactic and it happens ALL THE TIME. Find someone who claims to speak for the movement but isn't actually that in any capacity, take them apart, then watch everyone focus on the "traitors in our midst" instead of the prior goal, while onlookers from outside just roll their eyes and move on.
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u/Keerected_Recordz Jan 27 '22
The big tent approach has inherent weakness when members disagree on aims.
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u/jephelliot Jan 27 '22
virgin
Hey come on now, u/AbolishWork is a rapist, not a virgin
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u/WhatsUrPinNumber Jan 27 '22
I've been hearing that....is it true?
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u/Wes-C Jan 27 '22
They admitted it themselves on facebook lol
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u/Wrastling97 Jan 27 '22
Wait what?
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u/Akschadt Jan 27 '22
It’s super weird too.. it comes off almost like “take pity on me, raping someone was traumatizing to me”
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u/Wes-C Jan 27 '22
Doreen the rapist admitted to sleeping with someone under the influence KNOWING they were under the influence because “they thought it was okay” (paraphrasing here).
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u/GradeAPrimeFuckery Jan 27 '22
Let's not paraphrase.
The person accusing me of serial rape and I were involved in sexual conduct. This scenario involved alcohol on their part but I had been informed (multiple times) that it wasn't a big deal (they said they were only tipsy) and that they were consenting to what was happening. I took them at their word and I will be more responsible in the future when it comes to alcohol and sex.
Make of that what you will. The other stuff posted to Facebook is more egregious imo.
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u/1-800-Hamburger Jan 27 '22
Admitted on facebook lol
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u/Wrastling97 Jan 27 '22
“I was half asleep and not in control of myself”
What a horrible excuse. What the fuck
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u/johnnymoonwalker Jan 27 '22
So many 19d old accounts responding here. All unshockingly repeating the same pro-corporate bullshill.
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u/Marlonarsara Jan 27 '22
Are we making this into liberals and Republicans now? Or was this really about defending the working class regardless of their political stance?
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u/CHOLO_ORACLE Anarchist Without Adverbs Jan 27 '22
The random mention of Republicans when that wasn’t being talked about at all should be a clue that the people making these threads are more interested in drama than what the sub was about
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u/przybylowicz Jan 27 '22
I haven't seen anyone actually blame "republicans." I've seen people say that Fox was one of the worst networks to give an interview to because they're unsympathetic and even hostile to the cause, but everyone not lambasting the community as a whole is blaming Doreen and the other mods. They might not like Republicans, but they aren't blaming them. Obviously I could be wrong because I don't see EVERY thing every person says, but this has been the general theme
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u/Babiesarentcute Jan 27 '22
The second point, yes.
But are we really going to act like there were staunch conservatives lobbying for workers rights, higher pay, and unionization? Or have we just been living on two different planets?
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u/kinderdemon Anarchist Jan 27 '22
If your political stance is against the working class than you are not welcome in the movement to defend it, it is not rocket science.
Republicans should get the fuck out.
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u/Gsteel11 Jan 27 '22
Yeah. There's clewlry a ton of conservatives.
They're too stupid to even hide it.
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u/Hitchie_Rawtin Jan 27 '22
It's more that the movement's name is a misnomer. This place started as antiwork, explicitly meaning antiwork. Then tons of people started joining the last two years asking to be treated fairly.
The majority of the movement's followers are looking for basic fairness and humane rights but this sub was built from the beginning for lazy navel-gazing anarchists (like said mod) who feel unfairly coerced/violated as opposed to unfairly paid/incentivised when being asked to do anything they don't want to do.
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u/Rguy315 Jan 27 '22
Right, I think what we need to emphasize is that it's the commodification of labor that is the problem, not labor itself. This gets lost in the ultra-left messaging of the mods.
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u/Kristianassrona Jan 27 '22
G-d I fucking miss the ChapoTrapHouse subreddit. Was it obnoxious and full of campists? Yes. Did I have to deal with capitalists seizing on the errors of the mod team to try to convince me to support reformist? No.
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u/throwAwaySphynx123 Jan 27 '22
Are we making this into liberals and Republicans now? Or was this really about defending the working class regardless of their political stance?
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u/Meledesco Jan 27 '22
Defending the working class is a pretty leftist ideology as a whole.
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u/Rizla_TCG Jan 27 '22
Well Fox = Republicans. Nobody is making it any more than what it is.
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u/Cribsmen Jan 27 '22
I don't even blame Fox lmao, everyone here knows that they're a well established propaganda engine, that's like blaming a snake for biting someone when said person deliberately went to the snake's house and decided to stick their arm in. They're the enemy of the people, don't get me wrong, but the mods were dumb enough to believe Fox would allow them to look good.
The state of this subreddits moderation is so abysmal that I almost wonder if Fox paid them off to try to tank the movement. The mods couldn't possibly have been THIS incompetent.
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u/DudeEngineer Jan 27 '22
The point of this post is that Fox literally did allow them to look good.
The mod bring interviewed did 99% of the damage. Usually I would agree that comparing Fox News to a snake would make sense. In this case it's more like they licked one of those super poisonous frogs.
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u/Dangerous-Idea1686 Jan 27 '22
Dude, if I was the leader of some movement, I would kill to be asked those questions in that manner.
First you get an elevator pitch opportunity to sell yourself and your ideas. Then you get an opportunity to address what all the viewers are probably thinking (i.e. are you just a lazy piece of shit) and counter it by saying something along the lines of "no actually it's incredibly shallow to paint a movement about workers rights to one about laziness".
After which a couple personal questions which take 0 effort to answer provided you're not a dog walker. Though admittedly, I'm a software developer which has a teeny bit more prestige than dogwalker lol
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u/h0sti1e17 Jan 27 '22
Except Jesse Watters didn't bit anyone. Doreen jumped on his fangs, he was the one not working
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u/gentyent Jan 27 '22
but the mods were dumb enough to believe Fox would allow them to look good.
This is comical. That clown had every opportunity to show up to the interview looking presentable and provide them with respectable answers about the movement. He was given the most softball questions you could possibly be asked. Yet, he made a fool of himself and the entire movement.
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u/RedditStonks69 Jan 27 '22
I know right? my first thought was "someone bought the mod account then paid someone to do that interview to discredit the movement" then act like this is a Blue vs Red issue to divide us
Occam's razor points to that guy just being your average Reddit mod but it'd be naive to think they wouldn't do that but at the end of the day we're better off without the name "antiwork" because we're not antiwork we want to improve wages and working conditions through reform.
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u/Dangerous-Idea1686 Jan 27 '22
like blaming a snake for biting someone when said person deliberately went to the snake's house and decided to stick their arm in.
I wouldn't even call it a snake. More like a german shepherd. If you got bit by a german shepherd, that's probably on you. People need to stop making excuses in this situation and blaming Fox here. You can hate fox all you want and that's 100% fair but not in this case. Dude asked questions that your uncle, your date, or some random dude in the bar might ask you. There was nothing loaded aside from the fact that the moderator was a failure at life.
I'd agree if Jesse Watters asked some misleading or loaded questions like "Have you stopped beating your wife?". But if you can't answer "aren't you just being lazy", "what do you do for work", "how old are you" and "do you have any career aspirations" then that's an issue with you not Fox. You've probably never talked to anyone in your life past high school or college. Which I'm not sure reddit moderator has lol. Reddit moderator just got hit by boomer questions and got destroyed lol. By BOOMER questions LOL.
Fox didn't set any traps. Dude was just a failure. If your uncle asks you if you have a girlfriend, it's not your uncles fault you can't get a girl
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u/open_perspective Jan 27 '22
This has seemed like the play. It seems intentional, and there's this huge uptick of divisive behavior the day after, it's all very targeted and intentional.
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u/TehMephs Jan 27 '22
It seems pretty clear to me this was a pretty deliberately cherry-picked interviewee to put on a stage and ask trappy questions to paint this picture that tHe LaZy LeFtIsTs are all like this person. It’s just kind of the undertone of everything Fox News does, and it’s absolutely going to get the desired response out of their viewer base, who happen to be overwhelmingly right leaning
It’s just all way too intentional for me to just take it at face value (as most things on FN). They had to have screened a bunch of potential people they sent this invite to for the worst possible chucklefuck to interview
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u/Fen_ Jan 27 '22
If you're associating /r/antiwork with liberals, please read the fucking sidebar for once in your life.
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u/beepboopbeepyy Jan 27 '22
There’s no way to know, but I would put my life savings on this group having a lot more left-leaning people, like, by a lot.
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u/Fen_ Jan 27 '22
Liberals are not part of the left
Please, gain a modicum of political literacy.
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u/RestartingMyLife0918 Jan 27 '22
ex-mod wants to blame liberals, so I guess yes lol
https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/se8s41/stepping_down_as_an_rantiwork_mod/
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u/fenderc1 Jan 27 '22
People/Mods are trashing Fox and blaming them for this and can't take person responsibility for their own failures
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u/treflipsbro Jan 27 '22
No this is just more astroturfing to cause further dissent. And it seems to be working.
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u/Khal1505 Jan 27 '22
They’re desperate to deflect it any way they can, and divide & conquer junkfood politics is the only card left to play.
It’s embarrassing to watch.
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u/sophia-achamoth Jan 27 '22
Fox News is a Republican outlet, explicitly, and they trashed antiwork in every way.
So, yes, it is us vs Republicans. Republicans don't believe in workers' rights, and if you think they do, you're a fucking fool.
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u/MaterialActive Jan 27 '22
G-d I fucking miss the ChapoTrapHouse subreddit. Was it obnoxious and full of campists? Yes. Did I have to deal with capitalists seizing on the errors of the mod team to try to convince me to support reformist? No.
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u/javyn1 Jan 27 '22
I liked the old Cum Town sub.
Because I'm gay
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u/ukrm Jan 27 '22
I didn't realize how much I missed Chapo until you mentioned it. That place was a toxic shithole but at least everyone took the ban like champs. You can ban a user but you can't ban an idea.
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u/_regionrat Jan 28 '22
Honestly a good point. I don't remember users swarming other subs and spamming content the way the incels do when one of their subs gets shut down.
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u/FF_is_DnD_4_Virgins Jan 27 '22
ChapoTrapHouse was full of actual terrible people lol.
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u/javyn1 Jan 27 '22
Actually as a former member of that sub....oh hell who am I trying to fool, you're right.
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u/the_jabrd Communist Jan 27 '22
Never forget that /r/CTH unironically john brown posted so hard the CIA had to shut it down
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u/Bullboah Jan 27 '22
Its incredible how certain subreddits make claims with the most glaringly unsupported claims and everyone there unflappingly buys in.
That post is literally nonsense lol
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u/Xom_Xi Jan 27 '22
You can’t be serious?, please say sike cause that text can’t possibly be taken seriously
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u/Erockplatypus Jan 27 '22
going through abolishworks post history is such a wild trip now that I know exactly what she looks like and who she is. Adding that context makes so much and makes it that much more hilarious how they pretended to be this poor and oppressed individual.
My favorite comment was from 3 months ago where a user says they're going to leave the sub over that mod (abolish) and abolish just flips out on them and then eventually bans them
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u/Asterza Jan 27 '22
This is fucking stupid. I try not to be hyperbolic but i legit have seen nobody complaining about republicans on here.
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u/jsmiley27 Jan 27 '22
yeah, i dont get the overreaction either honestly. get rid of the mod in all aspects. people that know anything will know that mods are not leaders of anything. they delete comments from a message board. big woop.
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u/Cambocant Jan 27 '22
Yeah one bad media showing is not the end of existence. Not to be overly paranoid, but just to say what we’re all thinking, this all feels orchestrated.
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u/soapofnapalm Jan 27 '22
You are absolutely right.
They are brigading the sub. Dont fall for it.
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u/Empero6 Jan 27 '22
Pretty sure there a brigading attempt going on in this subreddit that’s trying to undermine the whole point of the subreddit. The mod deserves criticism, but it’s a little bit too suspicious how this much hate/attempt is being allowed in here.
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u/Cribsmen Jan 27 '22
Oh cool so now we're being brigaded by r conservative. Wonderful.
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u/HeadLongjumping Jan 27 '22
I haven't heard a single person blame Republicans for this shitshow.
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u/SuperSpread Jan 27 '22
If you consider Fox News to be a proxy for Republicans, then it makes a lot more sense.
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u/lyssaNwonderland Jan 27 '22
Why does anybody care what fox news thinks?
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u/cookiewoke Jan 27 '22
I see your point, and really you shouldn't, but the problem is that the interview was such a disaster and it went so viral that everyone knows about it. It's going to make it harder for the movement to gain the same momentum it did before, and to be taken seriously again. But that'll change as time goes on.
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u/jsmiley27 Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22
i have absolutely zero idea. fox news is the enemy of the people. why do we care what they think?
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u/SauceHouseBoss Jan 28 '22
It’s not about what fox news thinks? It’s what the people who will see this interview (and possibly even non-republicans bc this interview has gone viral) will think
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u/_regionrat Jan 28 '22
Nobody cares what Fox news thinks, the fact it's this big of deal is a testament to how poorly that interview went.
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u/WeAreGesalt Jan 27 '22
There are no democrats or republicans here, only people that want the beable to live and work comfortably
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u/The_BigBossSnake Jan 27 '22
For real. Aren't we from all over the place and just want better lives not living paycheck to paycheck? Then I see stupid shit like this and can't understand the small mindedness. Hey, 'muricans, you do realize you're on the internet and the world doesn't revolve around your terrible country?
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u/MidgardDragon Jan 27 '22
Let's put it this way. Once there was /r/SandersForPresident. Once it got taken over by the wrong people many splinters broke off. Some were astroturfed, some were not, none survived. The same is happening here, and I can guarantee you this was all planned.
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u/SchwiftedMetal Jan 27 '22
Pretty sure this is shitposting by ppl that dont like the antiwork movement. I hardly have seen anyone blame republicans for anything.
Having said that, republicans are dog shit wrapped in cat shit spritzed with stripper perfume.
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u/SuperSpread Jan 27 '22
If you consider Fox News to be a proxy for Republicans, then it makes a lot more sense.
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u/CryptoNoob-BRLN Jan 27 '22
Dont you have an insurrection to support?
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u/whywasthatagoodidea Jan 27 '22
The fuck is this Dem shit? This sub that has been nothing but how this system propped up by both parties destroys and kills people for money and I am supposed to give a shit about protecting its integrity from insurrection?
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u/The_Fudir Anarcho-Syndicalist Jan 27 '22
Dude, you're some little child with a post history of anti-leftism, cop apologia, and a whole lot of COD whinging. Go back to your basement and let the movement move on past this debacle. Your meme isn't funny.
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u/karmour353 Jan 27 '22
That dude on Fox News does not represent the working class. He is a member of the privileged class larping as a pro worker revolutionary. Ignore him and people like him
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u/Driftwood84wb Jan 27 '22
Yeah. This is starting to remind me of how people get picked on. Everyone is now out for their moment of worthless fame on Reddit by coming up with the snappiest meme. Get over yourself.
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u/NewfoundOrigin Jan 27 '22
What they're getting at with this - for anyone who doesn't understand.
'us liberals made a mistake - quick - lets blame fox news!'
It's about the fact that the person who did that interview fucked us all over and most of those on this sub are like 'our comrad got jipped by fox'
No guys, your 'comrad' was just a bafoon. and if you can't freaking see that clearly - wow...
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u/Ecstatic_Variety_613 Jan 27 '22
If you give a fuck about faux news you are in the wrong place. Posts like yours are pure establishment garbage. Go cry in your stink capitalist pig.
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u/holliexchristopher Jan 27 '22
Jesse Watters didn’t do anything wrong.
He gave Doreen a loaded revolver, and they shot every last round into their foot.
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u/FireHazard11 Jan 27 '22
Who's blaming Republicans? All I see is everyone blaming the mods for the fuck up.
This is just a conservative strawman.
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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22
Expo here-- 11 year redditor and 40 year old worker. Been doing other people's computer chores for a living for about 26 years now.
If you'd like to discuss the US Labor Movement in a non-fucky environment, please consider visiting /r/USLaborMovement
I started it after the Fox teainwreck, when the mods in /r/AntiWork started banning people for complaining about their lies and betrayal of the community.
Stop on by if you'd like!
I ain't never gonna ban nobody for saying things I don't like-- I wouldn't do that. That's bossman union busting shit.
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u/Worldwonderer2021 Jan 27 '22
Totally true we don’t need any rich asshole to destroy this community we can handle that ourselves
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u/em_goldman Jan 27 '22
This lol. It’s amazing how little tolerance for conflict the internet and/or the left and/or white people have.
People feel like someone fucked up, sure. But I don’t burn down my house when my roommate doesn’t clean up their cat’s poop outside my door. I deal with the shit, and then I work together with them to figure out how to improve the situation.
This sub’s reaction to a single media interview feels like a coup by centrists and/or right-wing actors to sow divisiveness and eat our own tail.
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u/TEUTODRAEGER Jan 27 '22
FoxNews "specifically wanted" to interview doreen bc they already knew doreen's story and have an audience of mostly 50+ year old viewers who are varied in politics views, but 95% of whom hate at least two things: 1) lazy people and 2) trans people
That's the 'why'. The fact doreen's stupid enough to not only take the interview, but perform as poorly as doreen did, it's hard for me to not think doreen was a corporate plant to discredit anyone criticizing the modern corporate workplace, labor market, etc
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u/carbonated_venom Jan 27 '22
Love watching this sub eat itself alive. The left will always find a way to destroy itself. Beautiful
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u/Strong_Paint_4324 Jan 28 '22
Why did it have to be FOX NEWS. HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU HAVE TO BE TO GO ON FOX FUCKING NEWS?!
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u/WisherWisp Jan 27 '22
Thanks a ton to Fox News. Now I know what a person is who is antiwork for 6 years.
A person you'd never want to be.
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u/____CrimsoN____ Jan 27 '22
Just because the mods fucked up, doesn't make the message of disillusioned workers any less valid.