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Me walking into this sub on my lunch break to browse some quality content completely unaware of what’s going on.
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u/clairvoyant69 Jan 27 '22
Yep, I opened Reddit and was like uh….I guess I missed something? People writing thesis papers and everything and I have no idea what even happened lol I feel so left out
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u/PerformanceLoud3229 Jan 28 '22
Basically fox reached out to do an interview, the subreddit had a vote and said no, the mods had a vote and said no, then 2 people decided to go and do the interview anyway, one (the one i've watched) was basically the poster child for the rights views on this subreddits goals (lazy, entitled, privledged, etc) an could not have given a worse interview if she tried, and im honestly not convinced it wasn't intentionally tanked.
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u/lettucecropchilds Jan 28 '22
And then someone posted the copied text of what the mod who left the sub said and that person was banned, post removed.
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u/Totally_Not_A_Fed474 Jan 27 '22
inb4 the suspiciously new mod deletes the post for being low effort
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u/ionizing Jan 27 '22
Is this low effort? Who could refuse to contribute to a post that uses the 'this is fine' dog, his face is so cute!
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u/Historical_North_669 Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22
All good movements that unite people from across the divides seem to go down this route it seems..
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u/grantimatter Jan 27 '22 •
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It does have a psyops-ish feel to me. This kind of "sow dysfunction" stuff. Of course, the beauty of it is you can never quite tell.
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u/Historical_North_669 Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22
That's also what my gut feeling tells me as well, as you mentioned though we'll never know
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u/iLoveScarletZero Jan 27 '22
Lmao, then those weren’t good movements.
Antiwork failed because its mods pretended to be leaders of this working class movememt, but completely ignored a vote by said workers that no there should not be any interviews.
Then while proceeding to ignore the vote, sent the absolute worst person to hold an interview.
To say that “laziness is a virtue”.
Which yes, there are AnComs here, the vast vast vast supermajority of subs here are just people who wanted work reforms, not to abolish Capitalism or to establish Anarchism or Communism.
So this 30-year old dog walker who works less than 20-hours a week, representing the working class they IGNORED, the present themselves as the leader of the movement, was a massive slap to the face.
The movement is still strong, new subs have arisen where antiwork failed.
However it was the mods pretending they are the face of the movement that ruined it.
The people here wanted work reform, not work abolition.
and the mods would give a post once every month or so clarifying they are indeed Marxists, but never stickied that information, and never said anything against people saying otherwise.
all this to be made worse, that they have a different mod who is a 21-year old “long time unemployeed” Anarchist having done 5 MORE interviews that have yet to be released.
and the fact that the antiwork mod who did the Fox Interview made a new account that is less than 20 hours old, and is now a mod here, even though accounts that are less than 5 days old can’t post here.
This literally solely the fault of the mods for taking advantage of the working class here, to push forth their beliefs, but not actually earning the subs gained.
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u/Historical_North_669 Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22
While I agree nobody should take the lead of the movement I can't help but feel annoyed at all this drama I'm here for class unity and better working conditions, I'm one of the working class people who check this sub on lunch breaks and seeing this dumpster fire has been terrible
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u/iLoveScarletZero Jan 27 '22
Yeah its been terrible but again, thats on the mods
They instantly shut-down the sub as soon as they got the slighest criticism.
Then started banning everyone who even slighlt criticised them (they gave up I guess?)
If they had just ignored everything, and not privates the sub, it likely wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad
But then the mods kept going and goind
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u/lita313 Jan 27 '22
From what I'm gathering, there was a Fox news report where someone named Doreen admitted that they didn't want to work period, and was a dog walker. And someone mentioned how the 2016 Antiwork mod that created this group doesn't follow the new ideal of 2020 Antiwork, which is based on having jobs treat workers like human beings instead of just cogs for their corporation.
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u/JCperfect Jan 27 '22
Huh, that's honestly in line with the name of the sub. I've always wondered why it's called Antiwork when the supposed purpose of this sub is to call out bullshit business practices. That's pretty much why I joined this sub: I don't mind working, I just don't like corporations treating employees like dog shit and paying them less just so they could afford their 6th yacht.
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u/BadPlayers Jan 27 '22
The thing is there are better ways to deliver that on an interview. First, shower. Doreen looked like she hadnt even showered and just rolled out of bed.
But mainly, talk about automation and how we as people have been able to more than double our productivity since the 70s but we still work the same hours. Often times for less. That with these increases in productivity we should see a reduction of hours of labor, not an increase in profits for the wealthy. Tie it back to the working class who are grinding themselves to an early grave with 60+ hour work weeks.
But instead Doreen mainly focused on being a 30 year old dog walker who only works 20 hours a week. Who would prefer never to work. But would be cool being a critical think college professor. Which it came across as completely confirming conservative images of who we are.
All labor is valuable including dog walker. And as we move towards a more advanced age, work should be phased out. But you have to know why you're being invited there, so don't show up just to give them everything they were looking for on a silver platter. I'm sure Fox was actually surprised at how perfectly it went and how sloppy Doreen came across.
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u/CobaltRose800 Jan 27 '22
I've always wondered why it's called Antiwork when the supposed purpose of this sub is to call out bullshit business practices.
TBH everyone kind of took over the sub from its intended mission statement. There was a Vox article stickied to the top for a hot minute (after the sub started getting hot but before the Kellogg's strike) and the mod-who-must-not-be-named was sourced as noting that dissonance.
I don't mind working, I just don't like corporations treating employees like dog shit and paying them less just so they could afford their 6th yacht.
Eh. I like the ideal of never having to work again (especially after these last couple years broke me), I just don't see the path where we as a society could reach that point.
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u/iLoveScarletZero Jan 27 '22
The stupidest thing is that every week a mod would release a post stating that Antiwork is meant to be Anarcho-Communist, but they never stickied it.
and so whenever it came up (the question of what Antiwork was for), the 95%+ of the member base who just wanted better working conditions, would unknowingly bait newcomers by saying its about work reform.
The mods never lied about their intentions about being an Anarcho-Communists subreddit, but they did as little as possible to actually make it publicly known as they liked the 1.7M+ subscribers but didn’t want those subs to be legitimately earned.
Basically the mods piggybacked off the actual working class to push forth their ideology.
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u/TehMephs Jan 28 '22
the mods piggybacked off the actual working class
And the cycle comes full circle
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u/marmaladejar Jan 27 '22
I've been a longtime lurker on this sub for at least 4 years, when there were only around 15k members or so, and the narrative was always that r/antiwork is not anti-labor but ANTI-CAPITALIST!!!! Idk when it became an anarchist movement!? I was so happy to see this sub growing exponentially and now this happens and ruins the entire point of the sub. Fucking sad
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u/faerie7777 Jan 28 '22
I've been here lurking for a few years on a couple different accounts too and when I joined it was pretty explicitly radical; a lot of the members were communists/anarchists/whatever but pretty much everyone was atleast anti-capitalist. I guess around when the pandemic kicked off this place gained a lot of members and the original message of distaste towards the foundations of work under capital got diluted to "we want better wages and less hours". I'm not sure that was actually really a bad thing though, it was inspiring to see more solidarity between workers and the growing reach and influence of pro-worker sentiment, even manifesting (albeit somewhat minimally) in the real world. Crazy to see this place implode lol.
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u/thatcurvychick Jan 27 '22
Same. I was very confused for a good 20 minutes trying to piece together what happened in reverse lol
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Jan 27 '22
The whole thing smells suspiciously like counterintel to me.
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u/SmoothReplacement302 Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22
It obviously is. Some irrelevant interview was a random trigger, it could be anything else. Obviously the rich don't want this subreddit to exist, they want to silence it and they did it. The brigading is obvious here (even anti-socialist low-quality posts get upvotes now, normally they would be heavily downvoted) and it might as well be long-term but we'll see. I've seen too many leftist forums killed like this. It doesn't cost that much to flood any sub with shitposts and shitcomments. Especially if you're a billionaire
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Jan 27 '22
Yep, and you see a lot of posts now about people recommending which sub to go to next. It's just a way to divide people up and undermine unity. Those subs are probably run by intelligence and the content and comments will be carefully curated.
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u/Still_Internal546 Jan 27 '22
Kinda in the same boat, OP.
Seems like there's a lot of heat over an interview and everything went sideways from there.
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Jan 27 '22 edited Feb 02 '22
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u/ISimplyDontBeliveYou Jan 28 '22
Maybe the mod shouldn’t have agreed to an interview on Fox News of all places being completely unprepared after the sub voted and said no one should do media appearances and then completely ruin the actual good this sub was doing by literally being the exact stereotype that Fox was looking for to disparage the entire movement, also the mod in question has multiple cases of sexual assault so that really doesn’t help anything
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u/macphile Jan 27 '22
I'm not a member here, but I look at the content on occasion. I saw the post about "what do you think of the Fox interview" or whatever but didn't read it--I had no idea there was anything interesting in it. Then I come on Reddit today and the whole sub's in the dumpster.
Just drink your coffee and enjoy the crackling fire, I guess.
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u/attemptedpilea Jan 27 '22
I just got back from being in the middle of the woods for three days and two nights. This is me.
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u/PM_MEYOURPUPPIES Jan 27 '22
Can we just create another sub with new mods and move everyone there?
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u/odo-italiano Jan 27 '22
This was me yesterday. Checked Antiwork in the morning, saw a post about Fox News and thought, "Oh we're on another show. It's gonna be negative because Faux News but eh."
Went to check after work and the sub was private.
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u/s-kane Jan 27 '22
I had the same thought when checking after traveling traveling while. Couldn't access the sub, said 0 members, found out what happened through similar subs. I had hope this could be something meaningful, but now I feel like we're sitting in a crumbling castle as the bulldozers approach.
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u/CatatonicTub Jan 27 '22
That’s how I feel right now. I’m still trying to figure out what’s going on
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u/DRMProd Jan 28 '22
Guys, fuck Fox. This sub is not even US centered, we're from all over the world. Keep up the fight
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u/rheyabow Jan 28 '22
Just because someone has mod access doesn't make them a leader. Stop giving fuel to the fire and let's get our shit together, boys. What happened to those guys volunteering PR training?
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u/ogwoody007 Jan 28 '22
This is all a shame, I really enjoy this sub and support it. Almost all posts are about the equity of the job not the ability to a 20 hour work week walking dogs. I still have love for you all but not so much the mods that went on interviews.
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u/TapeOperator Jan 28 '22
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
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Jan 28 '22
We went full newsroom, but the occupy wall street way. We had some idiot say silly things when we really needed charlie to handle things. Also turns out silly mod sexually assaulted someone and wants people to sympathise with them? Idk shits wild rn
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Jan 28 '22
God, thank you, I've been like "did I time travel or something because I feel like I was here not that long ago and WHAT IS HAPPENING?!?!?!"
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u/hopelessly_lost5 Jan 27 '22
Anyone else see people freaking out and got super curious about the interview and went to watch it and found it was no where near as bad as what you thought it might be? Just...me?
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u/NameInCrimson Jan 27 '22
It was a really bad interview.
But the mods reaction was the match that lit the fire.
No apologies for going against community wishes.
Mods didn't recognize their inability to serve as spokespeople.
No restructuring of mods.
And then removing comments and banning people for being critical of bombing a national interview was the greatest sin in my book.
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u/FishCake9 Jan 27 '22
its not the interview that make people leaving this subreddit, its how the mods handle it. they completely remove any posts criticising the interviews within 5 minutes of posting, citing it 'transphobic' 'irrelevant' 'transphobic' etc.
it started as people want to know why the mods went behind their back, and they they got pissed when mods keep removing their posts, and then everything just blew up.
the mods dont want to apologise, dont want to explain, nothing.
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u/CHOLO_ORACLE Anarchist Without Adverbs Jan 27 '22
I think part of what is happening is a bunch of the moderate/liberal members of the sub just now becoming aware of the radical message of the sub.
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Jan 27 '22
Yeah, attention seekers and karma farmers smelled blood in the water. Mods need to do more to cull the low quality shit posts. Make the sub usable again instead of being drama posts the sub.
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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22
Hi fellow workers!
If you'd like to discuss the US Labor Movement in a non-fucky environment, please consider visiting /r/USLaborMovement
I started it after the Fox teainwreck, when the mods in /r/AntiWork started banning people for complaining about their lies and betrayal of the community.
Stop on by if you'd like!
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u/Darth_Destructus Jan 27 '22
I'll have a look at your place, but if this is going to be the new face of anti-work, you're gonna have to be more careful than they were.
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u/NOrseTheSinglePringl Jan 27 '22
This is what we need. Pls dont allow the mods to be power trippers.
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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22
Nope! Mods are janitors. We'll clean up messes and facilitate.
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u/TheWizofNewYork I guess I’ll just go back to work then. Jan 27 '22
Work?!?! Wrong place for that, just us 21 year old dog walking anarchists over here.
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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22
Christ I wish I knew what happened, I'm in the exact same boat as you