r/antiwork Jan 27 '22 Silver 4 Helpful 3 Wholesome 3 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 I'll Drink to That 1

Me walking into this sub on my lunch break to browse some quality content completely unaware of what’s going on.

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u/BittenLotus Jan 27 '22

Christ I wish I knew what happened, I'm in the exact same boat as you

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22

I’ve asked in several threads and still have yet to receive any answers.

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Jan 27 '22 Gold Take My Energy

Shortest summary:

Head mod decided to do a Fox interview. Went in looking like the poster child of Fox's horrible version of "the left." Said catchphrases without explaining anything. Overall, Fox couldn't have hired a better person to ruin it.

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u/iwishihadalawnmower Jan 27 '22

And the mods' response to the well-deserved criticism has been even worse tbh.

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u/ultracat123 Jan 28 '22

How did they respond?

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u/Embarrassed_Tank4531 Jan 28 '22

As far as my knowledge goes, they blocked the sub for a while.

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u/ultracat123 Jan 28 '22

Oh yeah I saw that, couldn't even find the sub for a bit. But beyond that I'm clueless. I've heard of the mods doing more than that but I'm lost on it all lol

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u/perfectbarrel Jan 28 '22 Silver

After the interview came out all members of this sub were posting about how awful not only the interview was but that fact that the mod misrepresented everyone’s views. They said “Laziness is a virtue” among other things that were just completely discrediting. Everyone was also upset about the total incompetence it took to accept an interview with Fox News after there had been posts here warning that this exact thing would happen if anyone talked to the media.

Everyone was posting about all of that and mods were removing all criticizing posts and also posts telling people to leave this sub and go to another.

Sub got locked and everyone was talking major shit and posting memes on other subs.

Sub gets unlocked and they make a statement saying that they let a 21 yr old unemployed anarchist do multiple interviews representing a sub full of working people. They basically passed the buck to no one and took no accountability and everyone lost confidence in them.

The incompetence is so severe it looks like malice. It doesn’t really matter which it is because the effects are the same either way

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '22

I think Fox News paid them to take a fall. Their reaction to the negativity makes it feel like someone that sold their dignity.

This sub was becoming a huge threat to corporate interest. They knew it'd be an easy way to squash it.

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u/decadin Jan 28 '22

Riiiight

Because it just must be Fox News right? it can't possibly be that the dumpster fire happen because of pure incompetence.....

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u/Nepherael Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

They also went on a banning spree and someone who outlined what happened lately said a bunch if sexual misconduct shit just came out about another mod (edit: actually it was about the same mod that did the fox interview and the screenshots I saw were disgusting. Especially how they defended it. They said shit like "the power dynamic isn't there between two females so you can't call it rape". WHAT?!)

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u/KittyKittyKitten3 Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

The sexual misconduct information came out about the mod who went on fox. It was a post she made on fb and someone screenshot and posted here.

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u/BrusherPike Jan 28 '22

The sexual misconduct stuff, if I understand correctly, is actually about the SAME mod. The one that did the Fox interview.

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u/BlackberryOpen974 Jan 28 '22

Banned people and deleted posts/responses because they couldn't handle criticism

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u/Prometeus534 Castrochavismo? KEKW Jan 28 '22

Mass baning, erasing post, erasing comments, they block ed the subreddit for a while. They behave like the very thing they "fight" agaisnt. Ironic

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u/MaybeFailed Jan 28 '22

They behave like the very thing they "fight" against.

Work?

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u/Magus6796 Jan 28 '22

Also tried modding a few "hours old" alt accounts. Pretty sure they got called out and removed for now. Seems like the mod who did the fox interview allegedly admitted to some ... Unsavory sexual acts.

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u/post_pudding Jan 28 '22

Poorly. There was a stickied response from our fearless leader, "a 21 year old long time unemployed anarchist" 🤦‍♂️

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u/BangarangPita Jan 28 '22

Who then deleted his post after he was rightfully lambasted.

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u/thrillhouse1211 Jan 28 '22

I read that on the shitter this morning so at least something positive came from his long ass post

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u/Jimmygesus49 Jan 28 '22

Banned a shit load of people, blocked the sub. The mod in question refused to step down for a while. Oh and then we found he was also a rapist.

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u/coalitionofilling Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

mass banned and deleted posts with any criticism, agreed to leave then created a new account and started doing the same thing (IP address was confirmed to still be them). Then, a 21 yr old anarchist was said to have been made head of PR/spokesperson and he's already done 3-4 other interviews that have yet to been released.

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u/SpartanMDK Jan 28 '22

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u/bikesexually Jan 28 '22

Nothing wrong with this one. It's merely a mods perspective on what happened. They don't claim to be representing everyone. They are purely speaking about what happened with them.

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u/Ummmmexcusemewtf Jan 28 '22

Not to mention the sexual assault thing

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u/pragmojo Jan 27 '22

And it matters zero percent. Sub's not "ruined" - who even watches fox anyway?

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u/elevenyearss Jan 27 '22

My dad. Now he just has an easy stereotype to point at to invalidate every concern I have with working conditions in the US.

And I'm sure he's not the only dad watching that garbage

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u/JackBinimbul Jan 28 '22

Can confirm. My mother is also insane.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '22

Not to burst your bubble, but don't they already do that? FOX is full of misrepresentation from top to bottom.

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u/pragmojo Jan 27 '22

And? This sub is for people to help eachother stand up to their shitty employers. Who cares about perception of the sub? Nobody even knows if you're on it.

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u/BootyGoonTrey Jan 28 '22

We're in an ideological war. Many of us want to change the political power structures and systems in American society and that requires coalition building, media prowess, and meaningful activism.

So yes, it does help to not bomb your fox interview then torpedoing antiwork headquarters with trash can tier moderation, rape side drama and general fuckery.

I haven't even gotten to "I'm 21 and long term unemployed".

We have limited recourse against abuse from employers/corporations, sadly. The deck is too stacked in their favor. Shit my state has at will employment lol.

It's not enough to just help each other the best we can here. We need to change the political and economic landscape of this country.

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Jan 28 '22

"And why does it matter if large blocks of people oppose the movement?"

Have you kept up with other movements, like the George Floyd /BLM stuff? How'd that go?

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u/CEO_of_Teratophilia Jan 27 '22

Grandma and grandpa!

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u/wejustchillinbois Jan 27 '22

Literally every single person that voted for the previous President

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u/FunLovingMurderhobo Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

Fox commands an outsized amount of influence even if alot of here don't watch it.Most of us at the minimum has watched this interview or at least heard about it. With that influence they have doubtlessly done a substantial amount of damage here and have caused this viscous drama that's unfolding in front of us.

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u/Arthesia Jan 27 '22

Have you read the mod response?

"Don't worry guys, I'm a 21 year old anarchist who has never worked. The last two days have been really hard moderating for 5 hours a day. By the way, I did 4 more interviews. Lots of love, also if you criticize us we'll ban you."

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u/MaievSekashi Jan 28 '22

The problem is more the mods ignoring the vote to not do interviews (and doing three more of them yet to be released), appointing themselves leaders of the movement by virtue of being online hall-monitors, banning criticism, lying to everyone, attempting to smuggle the disgraced mod back under an alt, and refusing to engage with any of the criticism of all this. Nobody cares if a bunch of fox watchers get their biases confirmed, but the mods are acting utterly insane and shouldn't be managing this subreddit.

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u/Dumeck Jan 27 '22

The problem is that the mod didn’t represent the users and used this subreddit to leverage a platform for their personal beliefs.

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Jan 27 '22

I'm saying the interview was ruined, which gives fuel to be used against us. If we started rattling enough cages, you'd bet that other news outlets wouldn't start pulling out quotes and clips from the interview to sell their pro-corporate narratives. Even Democrat supporting outlets wouldn't hesitate.

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u/ThePRESSlAH Jan 28 '22

I think the moderator response, especially Abolish’s, definitely puts a taint on this sub.

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u/111000_111000 Jan 28 '22

He sought his 15 mins fame, he got 15 mins shame.

Never EVER go on mainstream TV if you have an ideology that goes against the narrative.

TV is quickly becoming irrelevant, stop feeding it, let it die already.

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Jan 28 '22

Change your gendering to "them/they" or "She/her" before you're accused of being transphobic. They're MtF and accusing everyone who misgenders them of some ulterior motive...

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u/Educational_Ad2737 Jan 28 '22

That guy was stupid and arrogant as shit . No ideology could make him look favourable on tv

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u/AssistantSubject7498 Jan 28 '22

in all fairness I feel like they are pretty representative of the sub. The backlash on the users though was a little rough.

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Jan 28 '22

And many people disagree with you. A self proclaimed anarchist should not be making unilateral decisions on behalf of 1.7 million people. Even if they nailed the interview, it's hypocrisy of the highest order.

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u/beets_r_us Jan 28 '22

Thank you for this! Found the group closed the other day and couldn’t figure out what was going on. I honestly don’t know why anyone would bother doing a Fox interview, they will twist the entire narrative and I think someone has to be very skilled in these types of interviews to actually have their true thoughts come across *grammar edit

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u/MyOther_UN_is_Clever Jan 28 '22

Arrogance, ego, narcissism, desire for attention. I don't know what word exactly fits them, but it was definitely a combination of pride and vanity. They were likely thinking they had formed a movement behind them, and they had the power of over a million at their back, and they were going to go down in history like some kind of MLK figure.

Turns out that MLK had decades of experience giving speeches to crowds AND was very talented at his craft.

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u/buttmurder Jan 28 '22

Gee, I wonder why all of you look like cariactures.

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u/HonorableHam Jan 27 '22

Like others said, check subredditdrama for details, but the gist is that a 30 years old autistic trans dog walker thought Fox News asked for them by name for some altruistic reason, and did an interview. It did not go well

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22

The interview must’ve been pretty bad for all this drama to come out of it? What did they say?

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u/The_Nick_OfTime Jan 27 '22

"Laziness is a virtue".

Honestly the interview was bad but it just got worse from there. They were getting yelled at so they shut the sub down over night.

Then they shit canned the head mod but gave us a 21 year old "long tine unemployed anarchist" and said they had already done more interviews.

Then they had the shit mod come back on a day old alt account.

They basically did every bad thing you can do. So that's why the sub is on fire.

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22

Jesus Christ.

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u/hannamarinsgrandma Jan 27 '22

That mod is also a self confessed rapist with several more accusations

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u/sos123p9 Jan 27 '22

Dude i assume anyone who mods on reddit to be on some form of watch list/no fly list so this does not surprise me

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u/The_Nick_OfTime Jan 27 '22

Yeah it's fucking bad

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22 Silver

So now people think this is an anarchist hub when in reality most of us are just advocating for basic human rights. Great.

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u/lunar999 Jan 27 '22

It's not even that. People are upset that there was a poll about doing interviews a week prior and the sub overwhelmingly responded NO. People are upset that that a "long-term unemployed 21 year old" (ie never had a job) can speak for the people of antiwork. People are upset that the interview reinforced about every single negative stereotype Fox News like to attack. People are upset that posts and comments criticising the debacle have been mass deleted.

In short, the mods of antiwork have been acting exactly like the corporate overlords they decry - completely out of touch with the reality of the people they're surrounded by, and completely drowning out their voices while claiming to speak for them.

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u/247stonerbro Jan 27 '22

This is what this sub as been about for me. We actively advocate for worker rights and I’ve seen several users come to aid with their experience and foresight for smaller cases of fuckery. It was fucking beautiful and majestic and I’m angry F that it was ruined in this manner. A scandal that really has nothing to do with or shed light on the root ideals this sub holds.

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22

I’ll definitely join a sub that’s meant for employment reform TBH

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u/bass_clown Jan 27 '22

This is an anarchist hub. It always has been. Did you miss the countless threads informing Liberals that they're welcome to get educated and not dilute the movement?

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u/NoHalf2998 Jan 27 '22

To be fair; there were a lot of posts telling us new people what the original intent was.

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u/BelialSirchade Jan 27 '22

It is an anarchist hub though, didn’t you read the sidebar and sub info? Not even subbed and I know that

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u/xoadox Jan 27 '22

Libs gonna lib

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u/cara1yn Jan 27 '22

What's wrong with it being both?

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u/Chupacabralala Jan 28 '22

Somebody got paid to act a fool. Fuck her.

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u/DistinguishedVisitor Jan 27 '22

It was bad enough that there was an immediate backlash from members, most of whom thought that mods shouldn't be doing interviews like they're a representative of the whole sub.

The internal backlash has been giddily egged on by plenty of people who would love to see the sub fail and things quickly devolved into a dumpster fire of finger pointing, with everyone who disagrees being a brigader, a shill, corporate bot, mod sock-puppet, etc....

Now half the front page of the sub is filled with calls to remove the mod team, or even nuke the whole sub (of 1.7 mil).

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u/Tatersalad9151 Jan 27 '22

Exactly they are mods of a forum not a spokesperson of this group I don’t know why they took it upon themselves to speak for any of us as a collective and worst part is they got obliterated and made this group a laughing stock

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '22

A mod wanted his or her fifteen minutes of fame and Fox wanted to sabotage the forum. Has that mod not seen the "it's a trap" meme a hundred times like everyone else?

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u/Tatersalad9151 Jan 28 '22

Clearly this should be a wake up call for anyone wanting to pull the same stunt, speak for yourself not for the whole group we all have different opinions of subjects and shouldn’t try to classify any of us as a whole.

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u/Beastingringo Jan 27 '22

It’s was absolutely terrible, completely misrepresented the whole subreddit of millions of mistreated workers, and killed a whole movement in less than 30 seconds by making everyone in the sub look like a bunch of lazy dog walkers who shower in a creek once a year.

Absolutely disgraceful, and cringe.

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u/KennyFulgencio Jan 27 '22

everyone in the sub look like a bunch of lazy dog walkers who shower in a creek once a year

My grandmother once drove me past where she'd grown up in rural kentucky and pointed to a severely run-down shack (not even on a road, it was 50 yards of weeds away from a dirt backroad through the woods) where some family used to live, saying once a year the town would forcibly take them to a nearby stream to wash them. She didn't seem to be kidding or think it was funny.

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u/HonorableHam Jan 27 '22

That they are a 30 years old dog walker who works 25 hours a week and thinks laziness is a virtue. They also did nothing to prep, like clean or dress up. Most political subs will have a link to it somewhere

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u/-day-dreamer- Jan 27 '22

I heard somewhere they actually work 10 hours. 2 hours a day for 5 days a week. The source could’ve been wrong though

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22

Ew. And now people think this sub is an anarchy sub instead of a place of advocating for workers’ rights?

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u/HonorableHam Jan 27 '22

Well, it has always been an anarchist lead sub. It's just that our two self appointed media representatives are a 21 year old who's never worked a job and a part time dog walker who makes Facebook posts about that time they sexually assaulted a partner, which was supposed to somehow show that they didn't rape another partner. Anarchists can be cool, these ones were not.

They also shut down the sub for a while and are doing some heavy censorship and put out a... Non-apology from the bits I read

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u/Pr0m3theus88 Jan 27 '22 Gold

Lol, this has been the case for the whole time, this sub was founded by anarchists, so in a way we more level-headed people kinda stole the sub from them, but that's because our ideas resonated more and drew in more people. No one gave a shit about this sub when it was an anarchist sub, it was only when people came here to use it as a work reform sub that it started gaining traction and becoming a problem for corporatists. Problem is, the mods have probably been here since before it started getting popular so they are gonna feel like they are the ones who understand the sub, when in reality it got away from them and became it's own thing. I mean, I have a hard time relating my work struggles with someone who never wanted to work at all, because they dont like applying effort, not because they are being exploited. Some 21 year old unemployed person can't represent my interests because they haven't lived a life similar to mine, they are just a petulant child who rebels against the daily upkeep everyone has to deal with, and they don't really understand what "work" really is.

The thing that gets me though is, there are a lot better ways to call for an opportunity to not work. Universal basic income is the direct answer to not wanting to work at all, and I do actually believe that if a person doesn't want to work at all they should still be afforded a modicum of dignity and the ability to live without working if they so choose. That's the nature of a UBI program, it applies to everyone, even if they are a piece of shit. But that said, even though I'd fight for their right to not have to produce anything of value to be allowed to live on this planet, I would still think that choosing to do nothing at all but consume resources that other people created would make that person kind of a piece of shit, cause they don't want to enrich the world, they just want the fruits of others.

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u/CHOLO_ORACLE Anarchist Without Adverbs Jan 27 '22

This is an anarchist sub, read the sidebar

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u/jsmiley27 Jan 27 '22

the sub just got taken over. it no longer was what that douchey little kid said. whether for the name or whatever reason, in spite of the mods, it became the hub for like minded people.

once again, despite the mods, not because of them. all they had to do was make a subreddit and shut up.

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u/blackbutterfree Jan 27 '22

Wait, what?

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u/RiantShard Jan 27 '22

Yes, the mods and other people regularly remind people of this too. The majority of users seem to pretend otherwise though which is amusing.

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u/fishling Jan 27 '22

At some point, the majority of users start to become right though, if moderation hasn't been strict about it (and they haven't been).

I'm not sure what the ratio of "worker's rights" to "anarchist" is, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is 20:1 or more.

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u/ElectionAssistance Jan 27 '22

Flee the sub. The mods have gone absolutely nuts. Hundreds, potentially thousands, of bans handed out frequently from accounts that no longer exist, refusal to follow the will of the community, general asshatterry, and then alt accounts being brought in as mods that are too new to event comment under regular rules.

They are deleting links to alternate new subs as well. If you check my post history though you will find it.

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u/cara1yn Jan 27 '22

What's not cool is the implication that there's something wrong with someone being 30 years old, autistic, trans, or a dog walker. Care to explain?

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u/HonorableHam Jan 27 '22

Sure. Those don't legitimize the movement in the eyes of the reactionaries who hold all the power. They, in fact, do the opposite. Never said it was fair or right that this was the wrong person to represent us, just that it's the reality of the world

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u/Money_dragon Jan 28 '22

A slight correction - it's to sway the average person who might not know anything about the movement (the oligarchs / reactionaries will never support this movement anyways)

So to the average person, they want to see a spokesperson that they can relate to, someone that seems typical

The person who was interviewed has a valid identity, but is not relatable to the vast majority of Americans unfortunately

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u/Wooper250 Jan 28 '22

Since when have we wanted to appeal the them though? Like yeah she did a shit job, but not because of her identity.

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u/HonorableHam Jan 28 '22

Since we agreed to represent 1.7 million people to their news channel

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u/cara1yn Jan 28 '22

The grievances of workers have never been seen as legitimate by people at the top because the people at the top do not see workers as people at all. We are just numbers on a spreadsheet and our worth is measured in productivity and output. Personally, I'm fucking tired of respectability politics. It didn't work during the Civil Rights movement or the George Floyd protests, and there's no reason to believe it would work now - master's tools / master's house, if you will. We don't need to sit pretty for corporate capitalists because this is not a job interview. I don't think anyone wants more emails from their CEO saying "we see you, we hear you, we feel for you." The time for asking nicely is done.
This isn't to say that I personally believe a single mod should speak on behalf of a whole community, because I don't. It was inarguably stupid. There are way too many different opinions in here for one person to fairly represent. If they decide to, at the very least they should fucking rehearse and prepare and get some media training. It's enraging, but to keep my sanity I have to believe that people feel more strongly against their bosses than they do this interview. They'll forget about this eventually, but they won't forget about all the times their company takes advantage of them.

For transparency, I didn't/am not watching the Fox interview, because 1. fuck Fox, and 2. I don't need more anxiety and anger in my life. But parsing through reactions on Reddit and seeing people expressing outrage that this person is XYZ is fucked up and makes me really sad. Trans people, disabled people, millennials, gig workers - these are the groups that get abused/exploited in the workforce really fucking often, and that mod is all four. The people in power are laughing at this type of person and they always have been, but it seems we're laughing along too, and that's wrong. If this movement is going to have legs, we need aggressive solidarity between all workers.

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u/Grantrello Jan 27 '22

While I get the frustration, it doesn't matter how clean-cut, articulate, or "respectable" someone is; the reactionaries who hold all the power will never see a worker's rights movement as legitimate.

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u/nate25375 Jan 27 '22

Adding on to what the other guy said: The mod that did this is also a serial rapist. As if the situation couldn’t get worse.

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u/BellalovesEevee Jan 27 '22

Also apparently that mod have allegations of raping someone???

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u/IchHabKeinRedditName Commie Cowboy Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

I will say this:

It is absolutely true that u/AbolishWork caused a huge amount of problems, and some users have been using this as an excuse to be transphobic. This could just be a rumor spawned from that. We shouldn't speculate, we should wait for evidence.

Just beware of the subtle use of the "trans woman rapist" narrative.

Edit: Welp, there's evidence. For fuck's sake, why is she still a mod (Given that u/fuzzy-x-3 is u/AbolishWork)?

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u/krabappel01 Jan 27 '22

there are literal screenshots of their fb post admitting it

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u/bigtimechip Eco-fash-socialist-localist Jan 27 '22

Yeah but he literally is a trans woman rapist

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u/Senorris Jan 27 '22

Go to subredditdrama, there's a sticky.

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u/flamingpaulie Jan 27 '22

Finding out that there is a subreddit specifically for that has made my day just a little bit better.

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u/treeluvin Jan 28 '22

Wait until you learn about r/SubredditDramaDrama

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u/not_an_insomniac Jan 27 '22

psssst check out r / w o r k r e f o r m

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u/vehino Jan 27 '22

I found out about the interview while playing Final Fantasy 14 online. I tried to check out the sub, but it was shut down. Now, I've woken up, it's the late afternoon, and it would appear that there's a revolt going on against the moderation team.

The conflict as I understand it comes to this: One moderator took it upon themself to represent the sub, let themself be interviewed by a professional Fox News shit-kicker and got absolutely potato'd in front of millions of viewers, making the anti-work movement look like a joke.

The members here do not want the mods presenting themselves as leaders of their movement. The logic is that they're just sub-mods, that doesn't make them any more special than anyone else. Things have gotten vitriolic, there are bans and heavy-handed messaging being thrown around, insults and something-phobic slurs being thrown in response, a very suspicious new mod whose account is less than a day old, and it's all gone to hell around here.

I'm taking a break. I hope this sub is still around in a week, Anti-work is worth saving.

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u/Kersallus Jan 27 '22

I quite literally dont give a shit about fox news. Can we get back to the good shit please.

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u/Marutar Jan 28 '22

If you want to enact change, optics are important. You're not going to convince anyone to change society by coming to an interview unprepared, unkept, and with zero talking points.

Instead, you look like the picture of a lazy basement dweller that Fox new's viewers imagine liberals to be.

The interviewer had a field day with this.

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u/ConstantChapter9496 Jan 27 '22

The same brother basically sits in the same room

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u/FrostedBooty Jan 28 '22 edited Jan 28 '22

Fox news interview was just the tipping point. You missed:

• the subreddit censorship of deleting posts criticizing them but keeping the ones praising them

• loads of people calling out the head mod getting banned for being off-topic and "transphobic" when they weren't

• mass migration of people moving to two different other work resistant subs, those subs mentioned here are being deleted even now

• the sub being set to private in the middle of the meltdown

• the head mod "stepping down" but a new mod got added that's only 16+ hours old at this point and was IP traced back to the og mod (could not link evidence since this is technically doxxing)

• another new "leader" mod that's a self appointed unemployed 21 year old anarchist that has been doing even more interviews in the background

• further proof the former head mod is a rapist has come to light

It's not a good look, and as far as I'm concerned this sub is toast. The new subs seemed to be off to a better start with more clarity atm

EDIT: this was added in the sidebar about the other sub. They had to get reddit admins involved to take it down. This directly conflicts with the own rules here on this sub, rule number 10.

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u/pragmojo Jan 27 '22

Yeah exactly who gives a shit about fox news? Let's go back to getting everyone treated better at work.

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u/DevoidSauce Jan 27 '22

I'm john Travolta in that one gif right now.

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u/Mortimer_and_Rabbit Jan 27 '22

Sub gets media reaching out to mod team

Mod team ask sub users if they do interview

Sub said no interview

Mods do 5 interview

Mods actively prove they're dirt eating mouth breathers without enough collective braincells to rub together

Reddit moment.

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u/JR_Shoegazer Jan 27 '22

People are overreacting, and others are brigading the sub.

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u/chickdan Jan 27 '22

Did you not read the official statement from the mods? It's a dumpster fire.

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '22

It’s not brigading when the sub members push back against the rapist fuckface that took it upon herself to damage the sub by being a dipshit on Fox and then fighting with the other mods resulting in a clusterfuck of the sub being set to private.

Don’t conflate why people are pissed after that stunt.

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u/firstselfieguy Jan 27 '22

Ever since this movement started blowing up, the predictable reaction from the right has been to take the name of this sub literally: "they just don't want to work, lazy entitled millennials".

Anyone paying any attention understands that that isn't the point. The movement is against the general state of workplace relations, especially in the USA, where workers are disposable and employees have all the power, etc etc you know the story.

This all organically grew around the antiwork subreddit over the last year or two.

But here's the twist: Have a look at the list of mods. The subreddit was started six years ago, by someone called "abolish work", and sat mostly dormant until the movement started years later. Fox News found this person and put them on the air, and they couldn't have found a better stereotype of a lazy entitled leftie who just doesn't want to work. It turns out this person actually meant it literally.

The "antiwork" movement had the potential to drastically improve the lives of millions of people. But this one dork who just happened to be in the right place at the right time and in no way represented the movement has managed to effectively kill it.

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u/Mcdibbles Jan 27 '22 Silver Gold Ally

Mod made a boo-boo and people (mostly shills) are having a hay-day of it. There's a highly upvoted and awarded post asking to shut teh subreddit down.

Smart people would recognize this as a shill campaign to stop a movement before it spills into real life.

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u/WishIWasNeet2 Jan 27 '22

The lack of self awareness from that mod was mind blowing though lol. I mean how do you go on national tv trying to represent a legitimate movement when you look like that, and then say you walk all dogs for 20 hours? Anyone with a brain knows they are cherry-picking an easy target. Gotta pick your battles . Especially against pretty boy Jesse watters you need someone in the same league/ real talk

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u/jonmediocre Jan 27 '22

Ehh A neckbeard mod botched an interview (on FOX, surprise surprise) which was horrible optics for the sub. Never should have taken the interview and members urged her not to, but did it anyway. Moderators of a subreddit do not and should not represent the movement or the vast swathes of workers who have had enough with the state of most work in this country / the world.

Then instead of taking the rightful criticism, just doubled down and locked the sub for a day or two which made them look even worse and basically handed a W to Fox. Basically reddit mods being completely detached from the real world... what else is new?

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u/mantellaman Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22

Idk who the fuck actually thinks that one bad media appearance can actually destroy a movement of 1.7m people. Especially when said media appearance was on FOX, the most useless right wing shit rag on the planet. FOX made like a third of the country believe Joe Biden, the very picture of a milquetoast white moderate, is a bloodthirsty communist. Even if it was explained well, the vast majority of FOX viewers would never get on board with antiwork. Also, antiwork means abolish work.

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u/sarcofaguy Jan 27 '22

You guys get lunch breaks?!

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u/StrijderRC Jan 28 '22

You guys get lunch?

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u/clairvoyant69 Jan 27 '22

Yep, I opened Reddit and was like uh….I guess I missed something? People writing thesis papers and everything and I have no idea what even happened lol I feel so left out

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u/PerformanceLoud3229 Jan 28 '22

Basically fox reached out to do an interview, the subreddit had a vote and said no, the mods had a vote and said no, then 2 people decided to go and do the interview anyway, one (the one i've watched) was basically the poster child for the rights views on this subreddits goals (lazy, entitled, privledged, etc) an could not have given a worse interview if she tried, and im honestly not convinced it wasn't intentionally tanked.

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u/lettucecropchilds Jan 28 '22

And then someone posted the copied text of what the mod who left the sub said and that person was banned, post removed.

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u/Totally_Not_A_Fed474 Jan 27 '22

inb4 the suspiciously new mod deletes the post for being low effort

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u/flamingpaulie Jan 27 '22

That’s what I’m waiting for lol

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u/melapelas Jan 27 '22

Aaaaaaand they just deleted their entire account!

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u/ionizing Jan 27 '22

Is this low effort? Who could refuse to contribute to a post that uses the 'this is fine' dog, his face is so cute!

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u/notrealmate Jan 27 '22

Low effort like their prep for the Interview?

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u/Historical_North_669 Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22

All good movements that unite people from across the divides seem to go down this route it seems..

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u/grantimatter Jan 27 '22 Gold

It does have a psyops-ish feel to me. This kind of "sow dysfunction" stuff. Of course, the beauty of it is you can never quite tell.

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u/glovestory Jan 27 '22

It's absolutely what it is.

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u/Historical_North_669 Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22

That's also what my gut feeling tells me as well, as you mentioned though we'll never know

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u/iLoveScarletZero Jan 27 '22

Lmao, then those weren’t good movements.

Antiwork failed because its mods pretended to be leaders of this working class movememt, but completely ignored a vote by said workers that no there should not be any interviews.

Then while proceeding to ignore the vote, sent the absolute worst person to hold an interview.

To say that “laziness is a virtue”.

Which yes, there are AnComs here, the vast vast vast supermajority of subs here are just people who wanted work reforms, not to abolish Capitalism or to establish Anarchism or Communism.

So this 30-year old dog walker who works less than 20-hours a week, representing the working class they IGNORED, the present themselves as the leader of the movement, was a massive slap to the face.

The movement is still strong, new subs have arisen where antiwork failed.

However it was the mods pretending they are the face of the movement that ruined it.

The people here wanted work reform, not work abolition.

and the mods would give a post once every month or so clarifying they are indeed Marxists, but never stickied that information, and never said anything against people saying otherwise.

all this to be made worse, that they have a different mod who is a 21-year old “long time unemployeed” Anarchist having done 5 MORE interviews that have yet to be released.

and the fact that the antiwork mod who did the Fox Interview made a new account that is less than 20 hours old, and is now a mod here, even though accounts that are less than 5 days old can’t post here.

This literally solely the fault of the mods for taking advantage of the working class here, to push forth their beliefs, but not actually earning the subs gained.

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u/Historical_North_669 Anarcho-Communist Jan 27 '22

While I agree nobody should take the lead of the movement I can't help but feel annoyed at all this drama I'm here for class unity and better working conditions, I'm one of the working class people who check this sub on lunch breaks and seeing this dumpster fire has been terrible

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u/iLoveScarletZero Jan 27 '22

Yeah its been terrible but again, thats on the mods

They instantly shut-down the sub as soon as they got the slighest criticism.

Then started banning everyone who even slighlt criticised them (they gave up I guess?)

If they had just ignored everything, and not privates the sub, it likely wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad

But then the mods kept going and goind

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u/Sweetmacaroni Jan 27 '22

go back to your lunch break

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u/brandinho5 Jan 27 '22

I mean, you can’t blame people for finding this shit juicy as hell.

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u/lita313 Jan 27 '22

From what I'm gathering, there was a Fox news report where someone named Doreen admitted that they didn't want to work period, and was a dog walker. And someone mentioned how the 2016 Antiwork mod that created this group doesn't follow the new ideal of 2020 Antiwork, which is based on having jobs treat workers like human beings instead of just cogs for their corporation.

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u/JCperfect Jan 27 '22

Huh, that's honestly in line with the name of the sub. I've always wondered why it's called Antiwork when the supposed purpose of this sub is to call out bullshit business practices. That's pretty much why I joined this sub: I don't mind working, I just don't like corporations treating employees like dog shit and paying them less just so they could afford their 6th yacht.

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u/BadPlayers Jan 27 '22

The thing is there are better ways to deliver that on an interview. First, shower. Doreen looked like she hadnt even showered and just rolled out of bed.

But mainly, talk about automation and how we as people have been able to more than double our productivity since the 70s but we still work the same hours. Often times for less. That with these increases in productivity we should see a reduction of hours of labor, not an increase in profits for the wealthy. Tie it back to the working class who are grinding themselves to an early grave with 60+ hour work weeks.

But instead Doreen mainly focused on being a 30 year old dog walker who only works 20 hours a week. Who would prefer never to work. But would be cool being a critical think college professor. Which it came across as completely confirming conservative images of who we are.

All labor is valuable including dog walker. And as we move towards a more advanced age, work should be phased out. But you have to know why you're being invited there, so don't show up just to give them everything they were looking for on a silver platter. I'm sure Fox was actually surprised at how perfectly it went and how sloppy Doreen came across.

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u/CobaltRose800 Jan 27 '22

I've always wondered why it's called Antiwork when the supposed purpose of this sub is to call out bullshit business practices.

TBH everyone kind of took over the sub from its intended mission statement. There was a Vox article stickied to the top for a hot minute (after the sub started getting hot but before the Kellogg's strike) and the mod-who-must-not-be-named was sourced as noting that dissonance.

I don't mind working, I just don't like corporations treating employees like dog shit and paying them less just so they could afford their 6th yacht.

Eh. I like the ideal of never having to work again (especially after these last couple years broke me), I just don't see the path where we as a society could reach that point.

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u/iLoveScarletZero Jan 27 '22

The stupidest thing is that every week a mod would release a post stating that Antiwork is meant to be Anarcho-Communist, but they never stickied it.

and so whenever it came up (the question of what Antiwork was for), the 95%+ of the member base who just wanted better working conditions, would unknowingly bait newcomers by saying its about work reform.

The mods never lied about their intentions about being an Anarcho-Communists subreddit, but they did as little as possible to actually make it publicly known as they liked the 1.7M+ subscribers but didn’t want those subs to be legitimately earned.

Basically the mods piggybacked off the actual working class to push forth their ideology.

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u/Zestyclose-Fox8074 Jan 27 '22

For actually work reform, there is r/ Work Reform

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u/Vindalfr Jan 28 '22

You cannot reform a system designed to subjugate you.

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u/TehMephs Jan 28 '22

the mods piggybacked off the actual working class

And the cycle comes full circle

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u/marmaladejar Jan 27 '22

I've been a longtime lurker on this sub for at least 4 years, when there were only around 15k members or so, and the narrative was always that r/antiwork is not anti-labor but ANTI-CAPITALIST!!!! Idk when it became an anarchist movement!? I was so happy to see this sub growing exponentially and now this happens and ruins the entire point of the sub. Fucking sad

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u/faerie7777 Jan 28 '22

I've been here lurking for a few years on a couple different accounts too and when I joined it was pretty explicitly radical; a lot of the members were communists/anarchists/whatever but pretty much everyone was atleast anti-capitalist. I guess around when the pandemic kicked off this place gained a lot of members and the original message of distaste towards the foundations of work under capital got diluted to "we want better wages and less hours". I'm not sure that was actually really a bad thing though, it was inspiring to see more solidarity between workers and the growing reach and influence of pro-worker sentiment, even manifesting (albeit somewhat minimally) in the real world. Crazy to see this place implode lol.

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u/winterfells_ghost Jan 27 '22

Haha thanks for the laugh OP

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u/thatcurvychick Jan 27 '22

Same. I was very confused for a good 20 minutes trying to piece together what happened in reverse lol

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u/xvalenne Jan 28 '22

That moment when you realize Fox News is not about foxes… I am disappoint

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u/glovestory Jan 27 '22

The whole thing smells suspiciously like counterintel to me.

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u/SmoothReplacement302 Jan 27 '22 edited Jan 27 '22

It obviously is. Some irrelevant interview was a random trigger, it could be anything else. Obviously the rich don't want this subreddit to exist, they want to silence it and they did it. The brigading is obvious here (even anti-socialist low-quality posts get upvotes now, normally they would be heavily downvoted) and it might as well be long-term but we'll see. I've seen too many leftist forums killed like this. It doesn't cost that much to flood any sub with shitposts and shitcomments. Especially if you're a billionaire

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u/glovestory Jan 27 '22

Yep, and you see a lot of posts now about people recommending which sub to go to next. It's just a way to divide people up and undermine unity. Those subs are probably run by intelligence and the content and comments will be carefully curated.

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u/SmoothReplacement302 Jan 27 '22

Yeah, exactly what is happening.

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u/Still_Internal546 Jan 27 '22

Kinda in the same boat, OP.

Seems like there's a lot of heat over an interview and everything went sideways from there.

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u/brandinho5 Jan 27 '22

More like took a nosedive off a fuckin cliff.

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u/Still_Internal546 Jan 27 '22

Valid correction, brandinho

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u/Old_Beginning_7089 Jan 27 '22

You shouldn't go back after your lunch break.

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u/ISimplyDontBeliveYou Jan 28 '22

Maybe the mod shouldn’t have agreed to an interview on Fox News of all places being completely unprepared after the sub voted and said no one should do media appearances and then completely ruin the actual good this sub was doing by literally being the exact stereotype that Fox was looking for to disparage the entire movement, also the mod in question has multiple cases of sexual assault so that really doesn’t help anything

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u/macphile Jan 27 '22

I'm not a member here, but I look at the content on occasion. I saw the post about "what do you think of the Fox interview" or whatever but didn't read it--I had no idea there was anything interesting in it. Then I come on Reddit today and the whole sub's in the dumpster.

Just drink your coffee and enjoy the crackling fire, I guess.

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u/Cole_Basinger Jan 27 '22

It’s been an exciting 24 hours or so

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u/attemptedpilea Jan 27 '22

I just got back from being in the middle of the woods for three days and two nights. This is me.

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u/PM_MEYOURPUPPIES Jan 27 '22

Can we just create another sub with new mods and move everyone there?

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u/odo-italiano Jan 27 '22

This was me yesterday. Checked Antiwork in the morning, saw a post about Fox News and thought, "Oh we're on another show. It's gonna be negative because Faux News but eh."

Went to check after work and the sub was private.

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u/ActualBawbag Jan 27 '22

Same here. Can somebody summarized wtf happened?

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u/s-kane Jan 27 '22

I had the same thought when checking after traveling traveling while. Couldn't access the sub, said 0 members, found out what happened through similar subs. I had hope this could be something meaningful, but now I feel like we're sitting in a crumbling castle as the bulldozers approach.

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u/CatatonicTub Jan 27 '22

That’s how I feel right now. I’m still trying to figure out what’s going on

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u/CopperHead49 Jan 27 '22

This is me right now. I have no idea what is going on.

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u/DRMProd Jan 28 '22

Guys, fuck Fox. This sub is not even US centered, we're from all over the world. Keep up the fight

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u/jeremycb29 Jan 28 '22

I’m so excited for this to be deleted tok

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u/rheyabow Jan 28 '22

Just because someone has mod access doesn't make them a leader. Stop giving fuel to the fire and let's get our shit together, boys. What happened to those guys volunteering PR training?

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u/ogwoody007 Jan 28 '22

This is all a shame, I really enjoy this sub and support it. Almost all posts are about the equity of the job not the ability to a 20 hour work week walking dogs. I still have love for you all but not so much the mods that went on interviews.

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u/TapeOperator Jan 28 '22

Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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u/jaffacake3576 Jan 28 '22

We went full newsroom, but the occupy wall street way. We had some idiot say silly things when we really needed charlie to handle things. Also turns out silly mod sexually assaulted someone and wants people to sympathise with them? Idk shits wild rn

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u/[deleted] Jan 28 '22

God, thank you, I've been like "did I time travel or something because I feel like I was here not that long ago and WHAT IS HAPPENING?!?!?!"

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u/hopelessly_lost5 Jan 27 '22

Anyone else see people freaking out and got super curious about the interview and went to watch it and found it was no where near as bad as what you thought it might be? Just...me?

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u/NameInCrimson Jan 27 '22

It was a really bad interview.

But the mods reaction was the match that lit the fire.

No apologies for going against community wishes.

Mods didn't recognize their inability to serve as spokespeople.

No restructuring of mods.

And then removing comments and banning people for being critical of bombing a national interview was the greatest sin in my book.

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u/FishCake9 Jan 27 '22

its not the interview that make people leaving this subreddit, its how the mods handle it. they completely remove any posts criticising the interviews within 5 minutes of posting, citing it 'transphobic' 'irrelevant' 'transphobic' etc.

it started as people want to know why the mods went behind their back, and they they got pissed when mods keep removing their posts, and then everything just blew up.

the mods dont want to apologise, dont want to explain, nothing.

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u/zeci21 Jan 27 '22

Yeah. Like the optics are bad, but I agree with most things she said.

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u/CHOLO_ORACLE Anarchist Without Adverbs Jan 27 '22

I think part of what is happening is a bunch of the moderate/liberal members of the sub just now becoming aware of the radical message of the sub.

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u/[deleted] Jan 27 '22

Yeah, attention seekers and karma farmers smelled blood in the water. Mods need to do more to cull the low quality shit posts. Make the sub usable again instead of being drama posts the sub.

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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22

Hi fellow workers!

If you'd like to discuss the US Labor Movement in a non-fucky environment, please consider visiting /r/USLaborMovement

I started it after the Fox teainwreck, when the mods in /r/AntiWork started banning people for complaining about their lies and betrayal of the community.

Stop on by if you'd like!

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u/Darth_Destructus Jan 27 '22

I'll have a look at your place, but if this is going to be the new face of anti-work, you're gonna have to be more careful than they were.

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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22

I'm just the guy pushing the buttons... you all are in charge.

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u/NOrseTheSinglePringl Jan 27 '22

This is what we need. Pls dont allow the mods to be power trippers.

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u/expo1001 Jan 27 '22

Nope! Mods are janitors. We'll clean up messes and facilitate.

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u/TheWizofNewYork I guess I’ll just go back to work then. Jan 27 '22

Work?!?! Wrong place for that, just us 21 year old dog walking anarchists over here.