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Trudeau's changes will ban millions of hunting rifles and shotguns Opinion Piece

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-trudeau-targets-hunters-with-gun-bill-changes-that-assault-canadian-heritage
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u/Scallion-Novel 9d ago edited 4d ago

Not a gun owner but the problem is not legal gun owners. The powers to take peoples property should be scrutinized a lot more. It’s only starting with guns. This will take us into a much darker area of theft by the government later on.

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u/After-Strategy1933 9d ago

This is exactly what the “I hate guns so I don’t care what happens” people should be considering.

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u/Ok_Cardiologist1278 9d ago

This will only divide people more.

Is anyone's life getting better under a Liberal/NDP government?

Things just seem to get worse and worse, but the other "voters" just won't wake up.

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u/MystikIncarnate Ontario 10d ago

Obligatory, not a gun owner.

We already have incredibly low legal gun crimes. What purpose does this serve beyond punishing those that are trying to play within the law?

Clearly the current system is adequate, or even too much (I don't know enough about it to say)... So why are we continuing to punish those that are clearly not the problem?

Look, the biggest issue I've seen is usually enforcement related. Police seem hell-bent on ticketing you for going 25 over in a school zone at 9pm at night, but when it comes to real problems like trying to find people smuggling, selling, and buying illegal things, they're all too busy going after the people who forgot to put on their blinker...

I've seen it with almost everything. One recent and outstanding example was the whole youth smoking BS, specifically vaping. I've seen a hundred datapoints that point to the fact that the legislation won't do Jack shit. The majority of under-aged people aren't getting their fix on the street, or from a friend or something, they're walking into convenience stores and buying it. I've literally seen amateur "sting" operations where a 17 yo person will walk into a convenience and just buy vape supplies. They might get push back, but nobody actually cares.

The rules have become a farce.

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u/SG14_96 10d ago

We can’t continue on this path of making policy based only assumptions and playing favourites.

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u/orange_candies 10d ago Silver Bravo!

Bro I can barely afford groceries lol ban price gouging you fuck

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u/securitywyrm 10d ago

Nobody starves to death when they have a gun. That's why he's getting rid of the guns first.

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u/Stylu_u 9d ago

They banned your guns so you don't point it at them before you starve to death.

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u/BoTheJoV3 10d ago

It seems as if they're banning the guns that keep you alive.

RIP Hunting

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u/vvomit 10d ago

Was thinking about this today too. If grocery prices continue to go the way they’re going, it’s going to start making a lot more sense for me to join my uncles when they go hunting.

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u/parent_over_shoulder 10d ago

This is the real reason they’re banning guns.

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u/BorealBro 9d ago

They're trying to remove anything that could out gun their private security (police).

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 10d ago

And the fucking telco triopoly.

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u/Sirbesto 9d ago

Nah. That would actually be a positive change everyone would appreciate. He only wants to appeal to his pre-existing following. And I am Liberal saying that and I do not own a riffle but I have traveled to countries where people own them and have almost non-existent gun related crimes. Nordic countries being a clear example.

Also, we are not the gun crazy USA and almost all gun related crimes are done with illegal guns brought from the USA. But if you don't think about the nuances of the issue --which most people usually don't-- then this sounds like a good thing. But it is just politics.


It's taking a nuanced, multifaceted issue being fixed with toddler logic type solutions and hoping that most people fall for it.

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u/KravenArk_Personal 10d ago

"slippery slope isn't a thing. It's a fallacy"

It took literally 2 months to go from "we are only going after gangs" to "we are banning handguns" to "we are banning 80% of what you own".

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u/northcrunk 10d ago

while ignoring gangs.

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u/BonjKansas 9d ago

While literally putting gangs back on the street

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u/T-Rex-Plays 9d ago edited 8d ago

For the un informed. They reduced sentencing requirements on gang members and smugglers

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u/boat02 9d ago

And when you engage in a "friendly discussion" with some people online, they've dropped the public safety facade and admit this is about their belief against private firearm ownership.

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u/FreddyMartian 9d ago

Only 80 percent? Some other comments saying it's proposed to go after rimfire/22lr as well, I can't really think of anything else that's left at that point.

I can't believe people put up with his bullshit lies and gaslighting.

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u/canfamnorth 10d ago

GSG-15 , why is that on the list? So much for just centre fire, like they said 2 days ago. Professional liars and children now run our government.

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u/AST5192D 10d ago

I'm glad we're getting all of those... (looks up list...) Benelli Super Black Eagle Ducks Unlimited off the STREETS!

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u/Saint-Carat 10d ago

I saw that one specifically and said if Ducks Unlimited doesn’t scream out crime gun and not a lawful hunter or collector. /s

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u/tommos 9d ago

Super black? Get these racist guns off the street immediately!

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u/The_King_of_Canada Manitoba 10d ago edited 10d ago Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Burning Cash

So this ban won't be able to be enforced due to most of the guns being non-restricted and not being registered. Not to mention the sheer number of them and the RCMP lacking manpower.

This affects 95% of all legal gun owners, and they probably won't comply.

This is going to cost more than the long gun registry, we're talking billions.

This does nothing to address the underlying issues.

50%-70% gun deaths in any given year are suicide. So invest in mental health instead.

We have a smuggling issue from the states. So invest in CBSA.

We have a gang issue that will continue to rise due to covid shutting down social programs. So invest in more social programs and policing.

And finally address poverty and inequality if you want to really get to the roots of crime.

This isn't going to do anything but piss off a lot of people, put an extra strain on the court system, every confiscated gun can have their day in court, cost billions, cost billions in unrealized revenue, and strengthen the issue of the alt-right in this country.

This is lose, lose, lose, lose.

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u/koreanwizard 9d ago

Trudeau did address mental health, he gave us medical suicide! He's hoping it'll also address poverty and disability too, when those people all kill themselves it'll be a huge burden off the governments shoulders. Maybe they won't have any family and the government can claim their meager estates too!

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u/cubewithincube Canada 10d ago

If you haven't already done so, please consider emailing your MP. I also emailed Jagmeet Singh and Justin Trudeau. Didn't bother emailing Mendicino - that never goes anywhere. https://www.ourcommons.ca/Members/en

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u/SixtyTwoNorth 9d ago

Don't just email. Send snail mail to your local MP. Email gets scanned, tallied and binned. Real letters get checked for a local post mark and often are read by the actual MP. Because of the relative amount of effort required to write and post a letter, they are usually considered very highly.

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u/ketamarine 9d ago

100% this.

I'm a progressive minded person who also happens to want to know basikc survival skills like hunting and fishing. So I am literally waiting on my license to come in the mail, and now I basically won't be able to buy almost any gun on the second hand market as it seems like 90% of existing guns in Canada will be banned from being bought or sold.

I don't see these laws having any effect other than further alienating centrist Canadians who don't want to live in a country with an over-reaching government.

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u/CFChristof 9d ago

I'm gay and due to history from not that long ago I fully support self defense rights, gun rights, and being disarmed terrifies me. I don't trust that the government that was not so long ago dragging people like me and indigenous people out of their homes on a winter night and leaving them up a random road to freeze not to mention shit that gets more horrendous from that.

These people are not progressive they are extremely powerful and privileged with inherited money and powerful connections. They live in gated communities surrounded by armed guards and can't conceive of a world in where legitimate self defense is necessary. They'll turn on people like me again in 5 seconds as soon as enough have been worn out by their cringey pandering and they decide to make us a scapegoat again.

Does anyone else think it's poetic that the suits these creeps love to wear come with built in nooses?

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u/A_Moon_Named_Luna 10d ago

SKS? What the fuck lol. M1 Garand? What the fuck is this

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u/ikkywikky1 10d ago

Trudeau looked at the guns from COD games and decided these are the ones that need to go

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u/newnameonan 10d ago

Responsible for millions of in-game deaths! If you can 360 no-scope someone with it in COD, it doesn't belong on the streets.

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u/Beansupreme117 10d ago

Nah they just need a bit of a nerf

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u/walkingonbyyou 10d ago

There are actually plenty of people who have an SKS they’re one of the cheaper guns to get

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u/Blah7654 10d ago

$500 is the going rate for an SKS, for the last couple years. But before that is was cheap

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u/Theneler Alberta 10d ago

Yeah. I remember 3-4 years ago, Cabelas had them for something like $149 in Black Friday.

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u/NotInsane_Yet 10d ago

That was the regular price at Canadian Tire when I got mine about a decade ago.

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u/Darebarsoom 10d ago

They can't afford to buy them back.

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u/Its_Matt_03 10d ago

They don’t intend to. They’re already claiming guns aren’t property

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u/FarOutlandishness180 10d ago

If they aren’t property, what could they be considered? Goods? Obviously not services but those are the only things I can think of. Is it a way of using different terms to trigger (no pun intended) different laws?

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u/DanHatesCats 10d ago

That's the fun part. Once they're banned then they don't have to be anything. They can just be illegal.

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u/sds2ff 10d ago

They aren't? That's good. That means I don't own any. Moving on.

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u/stealthy_1 10d ago

They said they wouldn’t be affected but y’know. It was only a matter of time.

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u/enochianKitty 10d ago

They banned the SKS? My ex is gonna flip she loves her 1954 Tula SKS

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u/Picnicfixins 10d ago

This? This is an idiot losing an election.

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u/discostu55 10d ago edited 10d ago Wholesome Starry

bolt actions and single action guns are also on the proposed list. Rimfire/22s aswell.

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=748450972947120

also this, how is this not lying

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u/Sysion 10d ago

He says he isn’t targeting legal owners and then explains exactly how he is targeting legal owners explicitly

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u/ShotgunSquitters 10d ago

Can't be a legal gun owner if we make all the guns illegal!

-Justin Trudeau probably

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u/TelefraggerRick 10d ago

I can't see how this will pass. There is dozens of water fowl hunting shotguns on that list . There are bunch of liberal voters in rural provinces that still hunt. Liberals will never get reelected if it passes and the cons will turn this right around as soon as they get in.

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u/Almost_Ascended 10d ago

Politicians lying and going back on their promises? How could that have possibly happened?!

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u/_Suit_ 9d ago

Economy in shambles? Let's spend millions on useless fucking virtue signalling instead.

This will reduce gun deaths by approximately 0% while willfully ignoring actual fucking problems in this country.

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u/cartman101 9d ago

Yes but when gun violence doesn't go down after this next ban wave, the Liberal government will have it's final excuse to simply make firearms illegal in Canada. Only hunters that can PROVE they make an income from hunting will be allowed to RENT a firearm, with 2-3 shots included.

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u/Slowsis 9d ago

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u/thatguywhoreddit Ontario 10d ago Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Starry

Not a gun owner, kinda don't really care if someone owns a gun. the PAL process I believe is good enough vetting to make it really difficult to acquire a gun. If you planned on legally purchasing a gun to commit a crime, that'd have to pre meditated like 1+ years in advance.

It does kinda bother me to see so much time, money and work being allocated to legislation like this. In the last year or two I think I've seen three or four bills pass attempting to remove guns from "criminals".

Kinda anecdotal but personally I'm way more scared of getting jacked by a crack head with a screwdriver while im leaving the corner store.

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u/RAT-LIFE 10d ago Gold

Seconded on this big time. We’re a country with a very strong PAL process I’m not sure why we’re spending a bunch of money to not use it and claw things away from law abiding citizens who are responsible and follow the rules.

This money should be spent on tackling the illegal gun problem. You know, like the ones that have been used in pretty much all the recent massacres and shootings.

I swear the government manufacturers these problems just so they can seem like they’re fixing something.

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u/xXxDarkSasuke1999xXx Lest We Forget 10d ago

I swear the government manufacturers these problems just so they can seem like they’re fixing something.

Bingo

Addressing gang violence is hard, going after people who are obliged to comply with the law (i.e. license-holders) is easy. It really is as simple as that. Whether or not the legislation actually works is immaterial.

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u/Steelblood27 10d ago

Nail on the head here. Appearing to fix a problem is all the government is looking for.

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u/xXxDarkSasuke1999xXx Lest We Forget 10d ago

I'm pretty sure they know it won't work, but that doesn't matter. The purpose of this legislation is to generate a CBC headline that appeals to clueless urbanites.

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u/shitty_mcfucklestick 10d ago

‘Appearing’ is all this current government is working for. All the way to the cover of Vogue.

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u/Speedballer7 10d ago

Its called pandering and hes good at it

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u/Upper_Canada_Pango 10d ago

I've often talked about governments "legislating to be legislating" and then they'll declare victory over this, that and the other in the next election. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission wrapped up after the Trudeau era and he can strut around like he's god's gift to indigenous peoples because of a process he had nothing to do with, while he sends a paramilitary force to ram through infrastructure projects on unceded lands in full violation of the UNDRIP. Meanwhile he will declare a major Victory in getting guns "off the streets" while his armed thugs black-bag people standing up for the legal rights he's supposedly commited to respecting, despite the vast majority of firearms used in crimes to have been illegally obtained from American smugglers... they catch those guys and just turn them away, instead of actually doing anything.

The politicians from ALL the major parties play games like this across the Anglosphere. There's no escape.

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u/Pandaman922 10d ago

I appreciate you. Thank you. Far too many people look at the US and assume we have the problem here, so they mindlessly support whatever Trudeau is pushing.

Every person I’ve been able to sit down with and walk through the process, the changes we have to make to our firearms; the checks and balances, etc is BLOWN AWAY with the gun control we have. And it works. Every statistic says it works.

But because an explanation for our rock solid gun control won’t fit into a headline, we’ll never have an educated public.

I have no idea how we can spend so much time and energy on something that will net us almost nothing. 10 years we couldn’t afford to do it. Today we DEFINITELY cannot afford to do it.

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u/SuedeVeil 10d ago

I'm a pretty left wing person living in a city with zero desire to own a gun and most people I know don't either.. but it's a huge country and many people live in rural areas where guns are useful and they shouldn't be punished for what happens on the black market. What happens in the USA doesn't happen here and most gun related crime here is gang violence which are illegally obtained weapons. Is it possible that the legally purchased guns get into the wrong hands? Of course but that's why there's a long process to get one.. because they want to make sure that whoever does knows how to properly use and store it and won't just sell it when they get it

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u/Pandaman922 10d ago Silver

A casual reminder that the AR15 gun buyback ALONE will cost tax payers more than all of the things this current government has done to aid in the housing crisis.

I’m not even exaggerating. Buying these guns back from law abiding gun owners, a gun that historically has never been used in a crime in Canada will cost more than EVERY HOUSING INITIATIVE currently underway in our country.

How? How is this OK? Especially when we know none of our shootings come from these legally acquired firearms. Next to none.

How is this a priority in 2022? How do we have money for this? And who on earth even supports this outside of an emotional mother that run PolySeSouvient or whatever.

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u/RepeatedReentry 10d ago

I don't see a buyback happening. Far, far too expensive.

They could also opt for straight confiscation, but everyone will drag their feet and hand them in on the last day, if at all. Logistical nightmare.

They could also opt to grandfather the guns, but then their stated objective of disarming the public doesn't actually happen.

I'm not sure what the practical way forward for this bs is.

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u/Slipgun_thumbs 10d ago

The term "buyback" is a misnomer here. They would be using taxpayer money to pull off a paid confiscation. Just what every taxpayer wants right???

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u/Pandaman922 10d ago

And that’s just the 100,000 or so AR15s. Add in millions of handguns and semi automatics, add in the overhead all of this has taken and will take.. how are people OK with this?

Short of being lied into believing all of the Toronto shootings are being done with legal firearms I just do not understand.

I see all of the “I don’t need a reason. Nobody needs a firearm.” comments. I get you. But how is that justification? Shouldn’t politics require more evidence? Thought? Logic? Some kind of expected outcome from all of this?

If I’m making a pitch at work I need to sell it. I need to explain how it will make our streets safer. We don’t get that. We get comments like “these guns belong in the battlefield”, but where are the stats? Will gun crime go down 10%? 5%? No. It won’t go down at all. And they know it. That’s why they won’t tell us

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u/AllInOnCall 10d ago

It went up after two massive bans. I suggest poverty and unaddressed mental illness kill orders of magnitude more Canadians than legal firearms.

ItS a PubLIc HeALtH IssUE!!

Ok so rank issues by QALYs lost and tackle them in order? This is so incredibly stupid.

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u/Whats-Upvote 10d ago

How about any kind or parliamentary debate? Nothing democratic about this at all.

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u/Marc4770 9d ago

People have stopped ruling with common sense and compromise, and are instead ruling by ideology... Which has always been very dangerous in history..

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u/Yotsubato 9d ago

It’s all about disarming the populace. It never was about safety.

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u/MantisToboganMD 10d ago edited 10d ago Wholesome

Politicians know what is coming, there will be civil unrest tied to climate change: (migration, economic fallout, new restrictions on common goods a day services etc.) We aren't going to go from 8 billion people to a happy sustainable future gracefully because we didn't get serious 50 years ago. Who knows what will happen on the international stage with major powers competing for dwindling resources and coastal/island nations dealing with a 20 ft. Sea level rise. I honestly don't think it's that unreasonable to assume some level of fear of an armed populace coming from the ruling elites.

Seeing this in the US too, Oregon (traditionally quite 2A friendly) just passed one of the most if not the most restrictive firearm laws in the U.S. nearly all of the money funding the legislation (literal millions) can be tied to a couple of out of state billionaires. I'm sure they're just "philanthropists" who care about kids /s. Canada's stats are much better but it's the same overall trend, legal gun owners tend to mostly shoot themselves if they shoot anyone at all. Remove accidental deaths, and suicides from the legal cohort and you are left with an extremely mild problem. Ultimately making school lunches free, funding schools, reducing higher Ed cost, improving social services for struggling mothers, etc. would do so much more for "the kids" but ofc it was never about that. If they were serious about the problem a focus on enforcing existing laws might be a better option.

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u/Thomps211 9d ago

As a legal law abiding gun owner this really infuriates me. We are being punished for crimes we have not committed.. and don’t intend to commit, by a political party who would rather use a hot button topic, as political grand standing platform, than actually address any of the real underlying issues. It’s should be said that the chief of police for both Toronto and Vancouver, have both previously stated that banning legal guns, won’t do anything as far as curbing gang violence. As criminals don’t tend to obtain their weapons by legal means…

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u/PurveyorOfSapristi 10d ago edited 10d ago

For Canadians who don’t own firearms the system to get a license in Canada is a year long wait with the RCMP investigating you, you need to have the approval of your spouse, ex-spouse if there is one, two references, no criminal record, one day long safety class for non restricted weapons with a difficult (to me, cause I don’t play modern warfare or Tarkov) exam that has a 240 page manual you have to read before attending class and exam, a test in person alone with the teachers, one written in class, closed book.

That is for old timer muzzle loaders and bolt action rifles which are big pieces of wood with a metal bolt to cycle bullets and some shotguns.

Aside from that there are insanely strict locking and storage rules, transportation rules and of course you have usage rules that are dependant on cities, municipalities etc … if you’re dumb enough to get a criminal record, your guns are bye bye. Do or say any dumb stuff and get reported? Bye bye guns again !

That’s all that initial process gets you, you want restricted stuff? Much more classes and background checks.

Canada has the lowest ‘legal gun’ crime rate in the developed world, the problem is illegal guns, the social contract is respected by gun owners , this is all so strange

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u/DownToFarm 10d ago

I'm pretty liberal person with no guns or license and I don't get why they keep going after guns. Gun laws in Canada seem perfectly fine the way they are. They seemingly have a knee jerk reaction like this every time something shitty happens in the US. Like that's not our country yo we should keep our eyes on our own, very real, problems.

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u/call_of_mischief 10d ago

Tyrant gonna tyrant

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u/Batsinvic888 British Columbia 10d ago

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u/Dontputthatinyoureye 10d ago

Well if guns aren’t property I guess I don’t own any 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Fit_Breadfruit_5601 10d ago

You also don’t have to report them stolen, or be responsible for them.

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u/Mr_Winemaker 10d ago

You know, that might actually be the loophole were looking for

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u/Sysion 10d ago

You can steal them too since they’re not property. Let’s raid cabellas

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u/Disastrous_Law_3500 10d ago

Boating accidents about to skyrocket 1000%.

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u/Leafs17 10d ago

Already have, dude. Already have.

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u/PussyGlue 10d ago

Fucking sad, a country made on hunting on trapping

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u/bunnymunro40 9d ago

I read about 100 comments down and did not find one which agreed with this plan - even here on freaking REDDIT! I expect tomorrow to see another government sponsored poll declaring that 87% of Canadians strongly support it.

I, for one, am about done with the blatant lies and manipulation. We need some BIG changes to the way this country operates, and just voting for the other guys isn't going to cut it.

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u/CommunistPartisan 9d ago

Fuck this bs.

"Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated" I left out the last part because it probably breaks reddit rules, but if you know, you know

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u/anikan72 10d ago

I can't wait for this initiative to be put to use in the housing crisis. Or the mental health crisis. Or the looming pension crisis. Or inflation. Or the pillaging of mineral rights by foreign companies. Or the healthcare crisis. Or climate change. Or electoral reform. Or the debt crisis....

Glad they're focusing on what really matters most to ensuring a healthy future for Canadians.

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u/McG4rn4gle Saskatchewan 10d ago

The Benelli Super Black Eagle is the Cadillac of duck hunting guns, it is expensive, it is precision engineered to hunt fowl and they are trying to ban it.

This is ludicrous and truly is drawn up to go after lawful hunters not even sport shooters anymore.

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u/ConfirmedCynic 10d ago Starry

I suspect the elite sees diminishing standards of living and widespread hardship ahead for the general public, and wants to disarm them before discontent can boil over. Yammerings about public safety is just a smoke screen.

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u/PeregrineThe 10d ago

Oh for fuck's sake. The SKS is the only affordable practice gun I have.

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u/Feisty-Coyote396 10d ago

Remember, this all started as 'common sense gun control' 😆 And people in the U.S. wonder why gun owners in the U.S. refuse to give up even the smallest thing without a fight.

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u/ArmedWithBars 9d ago

This. Look at the current administration in the US. Went from "We only want to restrict the purchase of assault rifles" to saying they want to outright ban the sale of semi-auto rifles.

NY state just made it illegal to CC pretty much anywhere. Even though law abiding CC don't contribute to the general gun crime rates. It was already difficult to get a CCW permit. Rampant crime in the state and now the average law abiding citizen can't even carry something for their own protection.

It's like people forget that it's not just 280lb rednecks that carry guns. Maybe it's a 120lb woman that's been victimized before and wants a fair shot at defending herself against a much larger male attacker. Now she can't do that without committing a felony in the state.

No wonder the 2A community doesn't want to give a fucking inch. Canada is the perfect example of the slippery slope they claimed.

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u/NavyDean 10d ago Gold

Are you kidding me?!

https://thegunblog.ca/2022/11/24/bill-c-21-ban-list-rifles-and-shotguns-to-be-confiscated/

My M1 GARAND?!

I'm LITERALLY ONLY A HISTORY COLLECTOR as a gun owner, fuck off this is insane.

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u/xmqe 10d ago

Rip to my 77 year old SKS with a shitty 5 round internal magazine. Good thing the streets with be safer when it's banned /s

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u/ThePolkaBandMonster 10d ago

I guess my Lee-Enfield is now also going to be banned? What are these clowns doing?

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u/uwflyer 10d ago

RIP my Benelli M4 that I was going to get after my next promotion.

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u/dr_soiledpants 10d ago

You mean your old m1 garand that you got rid of a long time ago, right?

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u/Greyfox2283 10d ago

Just waiting to get my social credit score now

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u/helpIamDumbAf 10d ago

I have only shot once, a neighbor invited me to their outdoor range. I shot a semi-auto ruger rifle. The bullets were crazy small, like I had only seen AK rounds before so for comparison these were small. It felt no more dangerous than the Winchester we shot or bolt action, if anything they felt like they had more "power"/kick. Honestly, all this feels like virtue signaling to me. Such a shame, I was thinking of getting my PAL, but by the time its issued all I would likely be eligible for is a water gun.

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u/ghett0blaster- 10d ago

I personally know people who use their guns for sport and 90%-100% of their guns will be affected. This is bs.

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u/Impossible_Big5255 10d ago

Dangerous guns like the rugar no.1 single shot rifle . I fucking laughed and then got real sad when I saw this . I’m gonna go hide my slingshot under the bed

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u/christhewelder75 10d ago

Well now uncle Justin knows where to look when the RCMP raid your house...

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u/shdhdhdsu 10d ago

They already banned airsoft guns so Unironically yes

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u/goodfleance 10d ago Silver Helpful Wholesome Bravo!

For anyone that supports these nonsense bans, I'm reposting my comment to provide a starting point for you to educate yourself on this subject.

Statistically, Licensed, legal gun owners are not, and have never been, a problem. For the entire history of this country Canadians, both indigenous and colonizers, have used firearms for sustenance and sport without issue. In fact, Canadian gun owners are 3 times LESS likely to commit any violent crime than the general population. RPAL holders are subjected to daily criminal record checks

Shooting sports span several Olympic Games disciplines as well as dozens of other longstanding sporting organizations. These organizations along with the countless shooting ranges and gun stores constitute a nearly billion dollar per year industry, employing thousands of Canadians and contributing substantially to provincial and national economies. Most of those people will be forced out of work by these new measures, at a time of economic instability.

Peer reviewed studies have shown that none of the gun control measures enacted in Canada have resulted in any increase to public safety. The Canadian Association of Police Chiefs (Including the chiefs for the cities most affected by gun violence) has repeatedly spoken out against these new measures, explaining that they are neither necessary nor effective. All relevant experts agree that more laws are not required, because the vast majority of crimes are committed by unlicensed criminals with illegally smuggled guns.

Tracing of recovered crime guns shows 85-98% are smuggled from the United States. They are flown across the border by drones, smuggled in vehicles, floated across in boats, and dead-dropped in the forest. These laws do nothing to address this.

Canada does not have a firearm problem, we have an America problem. According to StatsCanada, "Firearm-related violent crime represents a small proportion of police-reported violent crime in Canada, accounting for 2.8% of all victims of violent crime reported by police in 2020" There are fewer than 300 firearm-involved murders per year in Canada, with the majority of those being gang-related. You are 20 times more likely to die from influenza than a gun.

Beyond these senseless attacks on millions of the most thoroughly vetted, heavily regulated and law abiding Canadians while ignoring the true causes of gun violence, all of this government's gun control announcements seem to be suspiciously timed to distract from whatever negative press they're receiving at that given moment. Many of theses laws bypass the legal, democratic processes that are the foundation of our country's system of government. Additionally, this government has thus far been unwilling to provide evidence that any of these measures will do what they say they will, despite this evidence being requested by media outlets and witnesses in the ongoing hearings.

This is bad legislation, forced through undemocratically, to pander to the ignorance of the general population and buy votes rather than actually solve the problems they claim to address.

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u/maybvadersomedayl8er Ontario 10d ago

And these people have the nerve to call Poilievre the populist. They’re both populists catering to different people with low hanging fruit policy.

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u/Zombery 10d ago

I can’t wait for the streets to be so much safer once criminals stop shooting each other with their 5 round, easily concealable .22 rifles in the streets

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u/NahDawgDatAintMe Ontario 10d ago

Didn't you hear? Guns are illegal so people that break the law will listen to this law.

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u/miner88 Alberta 10d ago

Maybe we should make killing people illegal.

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u/jerr30 10d ago

From now on, I declare all crimes ILLEGAL.

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u/somedumbperson55 10d ago

Sir, you just stopped crime.

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u/t1m3kn1ght Ontario 10d ago

Yet Mendicino said he had no problem with law abiding gun owners many an SECU meeting ago. Yet one of the SECU members said not to worry, it's not as though we are coming after everything. How on earth could the government be dishonest? /s

This is absolutely infuriating. I know the bill isn't law yet but the fact they are going this far for non-problem guns and the people who own them is asinine. I hunt with a bow as well, but some these firearms are key for safely hunting bigger game. If they want hunting injuries to skyrocket, this will definitely help them get there.

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u/Alarmed_Ad2022 10d ago

Mendocino went on a show a few years back where politicians of opposite stripes take each other on blind dates. His “date” took him to a gun range. He refused to even touch anything there and looked extremely uncomfortable.

IMO he’s terrified of firearms and that’s driving a lot of emotional judgement concerning legislation.

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u/t1m3kn1ght Ontario 10d ago

I would love to see that. Do you have a link to a clip?

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u/BigShade 10d ago

Marco doesn't even listen to the people in his own riding. The people interviewed said they need to focus on mental health and finding the reason for shootings. Somehow he heard guns are bad, better ban them.

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u/truthdoctor British Columbia 10d ago

Amazing, everyone in the video said targeting guns is not the issue. The community members want the MPs to address the root causes of the gang violence and Mendicino completely ignores them. What a cunt.

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u/BillionairesBegone 9d ago

Me and my brother purchased an SKS for 200 dollars each more than 10 years ago. We did a little shooting and hoped to do some hunting. We never did. They've been sitting in my gun safe since. I don't see why I should have to give them up.

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u/entityXD32 10d ago Silver Gold All-Seeing Upvote

I'm a very left leaning person who personally doesn't like guns but this is fucking stupid. Firearms are not a problem here in Canada like they are in the US and Trudeau needs to stop pretending they are

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u/JohnBubbaloo 10d ago

Almost all firearms involved in crimes are handguns.

The millions of long-barrel rifles used as tools for hunting and pest and predator control in rural Canada are not a problem.

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u/maarathekhajiit 10d ago

And even then, handguns play a critical role as a light form of predator protection and yet are banned from outdoor use and have been for years, trappers have been fighting to be able to use handguns for checking their traps for years

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u/Nethlem 9d ago

Almost all firearms involved in crimes are handguns.

And almost all of those were originally smuggled in from the US.

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u/AlpacaTraffic 10d ago

Guns are an issue just not the ones Trudeau is hitting. The majority of gun crime is from illegally smuggled guns from down south. Hitting owners who use guns legally who have to go through courses and face limitations on capacity and ammo will not do anything except make people upset.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 10d ago

I'm a right leaning person who doesn't like guns. Totally agree. It's not the fact that they're being banned that bothers me here, it's the arbitrary and capricious nature of the ban, the specious justification of it, and the fact that they're doing so while actively making sentencing options for firearms offences more lenient, all while several of their more important responsibilities are going to shit.

It's not even close to the most pressing issue we're facing; even if it was, their response to it is incoherent; and it's pretty clear that it's really just being used to distract us.

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u/iBuggedChewyTop 10d ago

It’s a superficial gesture to a deep seated issue in the GTA. The optics of the real solution to gun issues damages the LPC’s public facing office and therefore undermines the entire point of the present gun ban.

It all about appeasing the GTA. You win there, you win a majority. Halve the GTA’s parliamentary seats and suddenly there’s no taste for the current gun abolition policy.

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u/ilikejetski British Columbia 10d ago

If anyone in the GTA is clapping for this they are dumber than I thought. Maybe that’s what Trudy is banking on.

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u/christhewelder75 10d ago

The biggest concern for all Canadians, regardless of if u support firearms ownership or not, is the WAY this ban has been introduced.

As an amendment to a bill that had passed 2nd reading, went thru committee without ever being mentioned, or debated. It opens the door for any future conservative government in power to do the exact same thing. It is an end run on the legislative process that sets precedent for how to lie and cheat to do whatever you want.

It's some republican level bullshit IMO

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u/softwhiteclouds 10d ago

It opens the door to property confiscation in other areas.

Just watch. One day, it could be a hard right government bringing back Marijuana bans, or a green government introducing mass car bans. The only issue will be what compensation you get before the government takes your property.

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u/PartyPay 10d ago

Same here, lefty that supports common sense gun ownership. This change is completely asinine and I think alone could cost the Liberals any shot of being the next government.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 10d ago

Shitloads of shootings going on here in Vancouver. Our justice system is a revolving door for criminals, but we seek to criminalize law abiding citizens. So dumb.

This has got to be Trudeau's dumbest act.

I lean left, fully support sensible gun control on handguns and automatic firearms.

Long arms aren't used in violent gun crime.

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u/Sysion 10d ago

And the ones that are used in violent crimes are overwhelmingly illegal to begin with, be it by illegal ownership or smuggled from the USA

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u/maarathekhajiit 10d ago

Its really crazy when we literally already have sensible gun control and now they're just throwing away money to force a blanket or arbitrary ban

We have working, nearly practical gun control, why are they doing this?

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 10d ago

Especially in rural places where apex predators are a thing and police have hour+ response times. Wasn't there a case in Alberta where someone was robbed and forced to shoot?

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u/fumfer1 10d ago Gold All-Seeing Upvote Take My Energy Starry

It's hard to see how this is anything other than an ideological and populist move that hasn't been informed by data or logic. People can feel free to hate on gun owners in Canada, but they should be honest that they are looking at this subject the way that conservative boomers look at pot and gay marriage.

Stop kidding yourself that this is about public safety and just own that it is a culture war issue pitting the rural against the urban in an effort to win votes in contested ridings in Quebec and Ontario.

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u/jakebreakshow 10d ago

This. I'm not big on guns, but people who hunt and/or have licenses to carry em, let em keep the guns.

Christ, it's not hard.

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u/ONLY_COMMENTS_ON_GW 10d ago

We have a wage problem, we have an inflation problem, we have a housing problem, we have a voting problem, apparently we have a trucker problem?? shit we're headed into a social services problem, but I'm pretty sure we can all agree that we do not have a legal gun problem lol. I don't even mean this in a "it's a mental health issue" kind of way, our PAL process and gun laws work well statistically, I don't see what any of this is meant to solve other than pissing off rural voters outside of Southern Ontario.

We are not America, write some god damn legislation for your own country ffs.

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u/DustySuds 10d ago

Dude, it's not even legal to carry a gun, in the traditonal sense of having a loaded gun on your person, in Canada. We do not have a gun problem in Canada, full stop. We have a criminal element that uses illegally smuggled guns and that's it. Liberals don't know how to tackle it because ideologically they can't be tough on crime so instead they are tough on law abiding gun owners instead. Fuck em, it will all be repealed when Justin gets voted out.

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u/lordhavepercy99 British Columbia 10d ago

It's almost looking better to be an illegal possessor than a lawful owner at this point, you have no silly rules to follow and if they catch you you get a slap on the wrists, they take it away and you go home.

To clarify this isn't me advocating for illegal possession of firearms, it is merely an observation

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u/Small-Comedian-3405 10d ago

That's 2 MILLION Canadians...just so everyone is aware.

More than actively play hockey AND golf combined.

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u/Bulky_Mix_2265 10d ago

Solving the housing and healthcare crises by banning guns. Fucking nailed it.

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u/Crezelle 10d ago

Solving food prices too by removing your ability to hunt

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u/DJM4991 10d ago

Or, Government thinks they're solving potential riots from food prices by taking away as many guns as possible.

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u/toomiiikahh 10d ago

Bingo. Not specifically food but there are many indicators that the next few decades will be worse than the past few.

Food and water instability. Whacky geopolitics, China, Russia etc..

Lots of new migrants both straight from immigration and coming here for "school" etc.

It's bound that a few bad apples will get through the filter and certain other countries will try to destabilize the 'West'.

They are just trying to make it harder for you to get one and easier for them to identify if you have one that they think you shouldn't. Not saying it's the right thing to do, I strongly disagree with that but politicians are never for the people.

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u/ObjectivelyCorrect2 10d ago

What a degenerate society we Canadians have allowed our country to become. Utter moral destitution.

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u/Terrible-Paramedic35 10d ago

Call your MP … especially if they are NDP and tell them you want their guy to vote down the amendment and for Singh to stop standing buy while good people are victimized. Tell em you will be changing your support if they dont.

I called both the NDP MPs from Alberta today and… apparently mine wasnt the first call.

Why you ask?

Well because the NDP is the swing vote here and Singh can drop the coalition anytime. The Liberals need them and the NDP needs rural votes.

If nothing else folks… its better than doing nothing.

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u/CrieDeCoeur 10d ago edited 9d ago

I am so very sick and tired of being repeatedly lied to and gaslighted by Trudeau on this matter. Fuck him, his Orders in Council, and his arbitrary virtue signalling bullshit laws that solve nothing while the real problems go completely unaddressed.

Edit: More than anything, I'm fed up of JT's kindergarten style of governing: one kid misbehaves so the whole class has to stay in at recess. Meanwhile, that one shitty kid has already bolted out the back door because, you know, locked doors are a safety hazard. Fucking halfwit.

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u/bbozzie 10d ago edited 9d ago Silver Gold

This is silly populist drivel. It’s insulting in its simplicity. I did my thesis on the Efficacy of Firearms Regulations in common wealth countries. This is pure political nonsense. It is well established that this has not worked and will not work to affect negative outcomes. Studies have been replicated and researched all over that would refute this as an effective method to reduce violence/homicide by firearm.

Edit: for those who requested it, I just sent my thesis over this morning. Cheers!

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u/Mark_Dailey 10d ago

There's what they say justifies it, and there's why they're actually doing it.

The two have no overlap

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u/9htranger 10d ago edited 9d ago

Trudeau and friends know as much about guns has they know about macro economics. People all across this country own these guns and i can anticipate many will refuse to give them up.

I have a lever action that holds 13 rounds, which i can empty in about 5 seconds. It will be fine in their eyes, but a semi automatic shotgun for hunting birds is not. Or a bolt action from the war, because russians used it. Just utter stupidity and more about optics to his base than protecting canadians

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u/BortSkrimpson 10d ago Gold

If true, that's pretty sad. Hunting is a part of Canadian culture, nobody should be supporting this.

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u/Cryscho Canada 10d ago

But I thought they weren't coming for hunting guns? DID SOMEONE LIE TO ME?

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u/Sneedilicious420 10d ago

It's just a sLiPpErY sLoPe FaLLaCy

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u/TheCapedMoosesader 10d ago

Haha, they said in 2015 "nobody wants to take your guns"

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u/Shrugging_Atlas1 10d ago

There is a clip floating around out there where Trudeau is specifically saying that nobody will ever take your handguns even lol.

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u/357050 10d ago

Said it again in May 2019.

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u/cojac111 10d ago

What they campaigned on: Evidence based policy, no more guns bans

What we got: Evidence based policy? No, more gun bans!

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u/splatterpunk11 10d ago

lololol yeah I'm sure all the indigenous hunters are just going to take this lying down. This is going to be a nightmare for the feds.

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u/RedTheDopeKing 10d ago Silver

Cute you think they’ll take indigenous or Métis guns away lol

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u/viccityguy2k 10d ago

They were excpmted from the first OIC

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u/Terapr0 10d ago

hint: there will almost certainly be an exemption for indigenous hunters.

It's a perfect articulation of how nonsensical this plan really is. Government says that semi-automatic rifles have no legitimate purpose for sport or hunting, yet ensure that indigenous hunters are still allowed to use them.

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u/LIFEofNOOB 9d ago

We have a drinking and driving problem in Canada. Based on how Trudeau is dealing with gang gun violence, he’s going to solve the drinking and driving problem in the same way…. By banning sober drivers from owning vehicles.

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u/pandarectum Canada 10d ago Starry

We had 7,902 opioid/stimulant overdose deaths in Canada last year. We have near record high inflation. We have a huge housing crisis. We have tent cities popping up in nearly every city and town across Canada. This is what the government is wasting their time on?! Who exactly does this gun ban benefit?

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u/slayermario 10d ago

What the fuck man! I literally just got my firearms/hunting permits this year.

Had such a good time hunting for my first season ever and this guy wants to ban them now?

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u/Pretend_Tea6261 10d ago

Ah yes Trudeau once again wanting to restrict the rights and freedoms of Canadians.This time the target is hunters and legitimate gun owners.Where will this stop? He is looking more and more like a quiet autocrat every day.He wants more and more power.Meanwhile this amendment would have zero effect on gun violence.

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u/More_Alf 10d ago Eureka!

Right as there are some questions about PRC funding. This could not possible be a move to distract the public? JT would never do that.

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u/Vostroyan212th 10d ago

This guy is doing nothing to help us with housing, transportation and grocery costs. But he is going to hassle my neighbors who hunt quietly in the woods? This fuck needs to go, and while Singh isnt great he is the only viable 3rd option in our totally not a 2 party system. Because either we wait until fringe left voters go right and we risk that potential mess, or we keep barely voting in this silver spoon trust fund bastard who has skipped through life, mainly on our dime.

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u/Cost_Additional 10d ago

Man protected by guns doesn't want the Plebs to have them.

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u/obsidian-sunset 10d ago edited 10d ago

If you exclude suicides and killings with guns owned illegally, then the amount of people being killed by guns is ridiculously small.

This is an entirely empty move to disarm the population, which is never a valid idea. The populace should be allowed to hunt, and to defend itself from wildlife, criminals, and the government.

I don’t have a gun because I’m perpetually afraid, I have one so that I’m not defenseless, so that I can feed myself and my family if I needed to. It’s a tool like any other, that kills far fewer people than cars or alcohol.

Self-respecting individuals should understand how they work, and how to operate one safely, even if they never own one. We live in a small window of peacetime, and we should appreciate that with the understanding that it’s temporary.

To anyone who thinks a population with basic weapons can’t defend itself against a technologically superior government: educate yourself on every war fought in recent history.

Law-abiding citizens are the only ones affected by this type of idiotic legislation, and it’s only being done to appeal the idiots who fear guns.

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u/zombygaga 10d ago

and people think this is good? people hunting arent murdering ppl in toronto lol. i dont even own a gun and this is obvious

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u/Necessary_Science972 10d ago

Trudeau Should learn from his CCP donors and just ban all guns and even knives outright.

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u/Oof_my_eyes 10d ago

Idiotic decision

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u/0melettedufromage 10d ago

Why are there so many awards on this post? This makes absolutely no sense and does nothing to fight gun violence.

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u/Tje199 9d ago

Awards help provide visibility, they don't just mean "I approve of this".

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u/MassiveStunner 9d ago

The lack of outrage on this subreddit is very telling about why this is happening in Canada. You just need a sweet smiling politician to take away your rights, thats how fucking stupid you all are.

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u/unwoke_canadian 10d ago

*without compensation

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u/sleipnir45 10d ago Silver Gold

Full list is here, https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/the-list.pdf

Some might notice how it includes .22 rifles, pump action shotguns and even some bolt action rifles.

Edit: The list of firearms the Liberals are now seeking to ban includes the term "Hunt" 60 times and "Sport" 310 times.

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u/Potatooooes_123 10d ago

It includes also airsoft guns. Yup airsoft is too dangerous apparently

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u/Nervous0Mouse 10d ago

Just wait until they figure out you can freeze paintballs...

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u/coopatroopa11 10d ago

I'll never forget the time I was tricked into a game of paintball only to learn the paintballs were frozen - after I got hit.

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u/Nervous0Mouse 10d ago

We used to go around with full faced helmets and use bb/pellet guns...

We were not the brightest kids.

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u/NavyDean 10d ago

Why is my M1 Garand being banned, wtfffffff.

I'm a history collector.

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u/GoatGloryhole Northwest Territories 10d ago

You thought they wouldn't come for you? lol

They won't stop until every legal gun owner is disarmed.

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u/Mac_Gold 10d ago

Just don’t give it up

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u/vonsolo28 10d ago

Always been a left leaning voter but I would vote conservative if it meant over turning this stupid fucking ban. These wedge issues are so dumb

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u/cplforlife 10d ago edited 10d ago

I'm on that bandwagon.. This will absolutely make me a single issue voter.

I guess my NDP vote will change to a Con vote.

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u/Shrugging_Atlas1 10d ago

Yeah I'm a single issue voter now. Is what it is I guess.

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u/ekdaemon 10d ago

Ditto. This is just too stupid. And I live in a big metropolitan area, and didn't care before this.

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u/Shrugging_Atlas1 10d ago

It might be the stupidest political move I've ever seen. I'm trying hard to think of something worse. I guess when Steven Harper was against marijuana legalization when polling was showing 80% of the public supported it was the last time we saw something this stupid policy wise.

This might actually be more stupid. I'm not convinced it's implementable either. How are they going to accomplish this? They won't be going door to door as they don't have the man power and that would be dangerous. So what? They expect ppl to turn in their hunting rifles for no money? Do they think ppl will turn in 2k-5k rifles voluntarily for nothing? Where will this happen and who will be running it? I expect mass non compliance. It's gonna be a total mess.

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u/OsmerusMordax 10d ago

I’m NDP and swore I would never vote conservative. But god damn, it is tempting with all these stupid firearm bans

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u/Low-HangingFruit 10d ago

There it is, he is banning hunting guns. All mauser actions are gone, all benellis are gone. Everything is gone.

He will come for bows next.

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u/Sneedilicious420 10d ago

Next: DANGEROUS AND EASILY CONCEALED ASSAULT KNIVES WITH VARIOUS QUICKLY DEPLOYED TOOLS OF MURDER

a.k.a a fucking Swiss army knife

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u/95accord New Brunswick 10d ago

“High power bolt action sniper rifle” is next

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u/Savon_arola Québec 10d ago

I would gladly surrender my firearms to this government but unfortunately it doesn't pass my security check due to its previous involvement in Indigenous genocide and other atrocities

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u/narkomanxuligan 10d ago

Gladly surrendering your weapons is enabling it ngl

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u/lileraccoon 10d ago

For what? Hunters are bad? Farmers are murdering ppl in the big city with their rifles? Our leadership is so frustrating.

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u/HogsInSpace 10d ago

Remember back in the sixties when there was a small growing drug problem, and then in the seventies and eighties they decided to have a war on drugs. Then, after almost 40 years, the drugs won. Hope this war on guns ends differently, but I doubt it.

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u/crafty_alias 10d ago

I'm definitely left leaning but can't vote Liberal again and not NDP if they are supporting this. I can't vote for PP either. Ugh, wtf is left for people like me.

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