r/interestingasfuck 10d ago Silver 5 Wholesome 6

In 2018 this Gorilla was observed having a pet for a few hours. /r/ALL

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u/asilvertintedrose 10d ago edited 10d ago Silver Wholesome

Source - what happened after:

"When the game was over, Bobo walked purposefully off on two legs to deliver his friend safely back into the trees," the sanctuary wrote.

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u/SoberTek 10d ago Take My Energy

(Nervous sweat beads on my forehead) Whew!

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u/MingusVonHavamalt 10d ago

“…..before squashed it shat in his hand and ate the mixture”

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u/rlpinca 10d ago Wholesome

Lyrics to a love song?

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u/TheBirminghamBear 10d ago

New Drake.

Interesting direction, looking forward to see where he takes it.

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u/RandomPratt 9d ago

straight to a Junior High School to try it in person, probably.

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u/UWontLikeThisComment 9d ago

"and the gorilla promptly stuck it in his rectum"

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u/Ok-Seaworthiness4488 10d ago

Gorillas are herbivores

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u/Mando92MG 9d ago

Almost all herbivores are carnivores of opportunity. Deer are more then happy to munch down on a baby chick if they find it.

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u/bakedmaga2020 10d ago

Sometimes if you really love something, you have to let it go

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u/HeronSun 10d ago

Sometimes to love someone... you gotta be a stranger.

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u/mioki78 10d ago

Did we have the same judge?

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u/Successful-Clock-224 9d ago

Did we have the same public defender?

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u/OHMSQUID 9d ago

Yeah, sorry man. I wish I did better on that case.

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u/JohanVonBronx_ 9d ago

Sometimes love is... Choosing the lesser pain.

You ever been in love, kid? It's pretty good.

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u/Tydire 9d ago

Thank you, as soon as I read the few hours part… thought the story ended horribly.

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u/someotherbitch 9d ago

I mean gorillas are herbivores. They don't eat any animals and don't show aggression to anything that isn't threatening them. They really are just curious creatures.

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u/goatbeardis 9d ago edited 9d ago

There's very few herbivores that won't eat a bit of meat if given a chance. I've seen deer going at roadkill, horses gobbling up baby chicks, and gorillas eating birds that landed too close.

Gorillas are for the most part herbivores in practice, but they're omnivores in reality. They consume a decent amount of insects. Other animals with similar digestive tracks (hippos, deer, etc) have been known to eat meat on occasion when plant food is scarce or if they happen to encounter a weak animal or a fresh carcass. This little guy definitely counts as a weak animal. Wild gorillas have never been caught eating meat, but zoo gorillas definitely have.

I think the gorilla could have eaten him if he was particularly hungry and hadn't created an emotional connection to it by playing. Probably wasn't likely, but possible enough for people to be worried about it.

Edit: Edited to better reflect reality. Original comment made it seem like wild gorillas have been documented eating meat, and they haven't. Only captive ones.

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u/beardy64 9d ago

My mom bought a horse that the previous owner would feed parts of her McDonald's burger / fries / soda. It wasn't unhealthy, but needless to say it's a great way to mess up their digestion and make them a bit crazy.

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u/dev_vvvvv 9d ago

It wasn't unhealthy, but needless to say it's a great way to mess up their digestion and make them a bit crazy.

Just like us!

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u/goatbeardis 9d ago edited 9d ago

Bruh, I hesitate to feed McDonald's to humans, let alone horses. What a weird woman.

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u/beardy64 9d ago

Can confirm, previous owner was a lunatic training an Arabian horse to be a lunatic. (Arabians already have a reputation for being firecrackers for those who don't know, and the diet certainly wasn't helping.) Once my mom bought it and got it on a regular diet and did a bit of work with it, it came back down to earth significantly. (Horses also have notoriously sensitive digestive systems, too, so I'm surprised it wasn't unhealthy.)

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u/AliceInMyDreams 9d ago

and gorillas eating birds that landed too close.

Gorillas are for the most part herbivores in practice, but they're omnivores in how their digestive tracts work. They'll eat meat on occasion when plant food is scarce or if they happen to encounter a weak animal or a fresh carcass. This little guy definitely counts as a weak animal.

Do you have any source for that? While insectivore behavior is well established, I have never heard of a gorilla eating a bird or feeding on carrion (especially not in the wild).

Additionally, asfaict gorillas have a fairly typical herbivore digestive track - quite different from our own - with a very long colon in order to suitably process plants.

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u/goatbeardis 9d ago

My story about the gorilla eating a bird is from my time working at a zoo in California. It's pretty well documented that some gorillas in captivity enjoy meat. You shouldn't have too much trouble finding sources for it.

As for the second...

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna https://africafreak.com/do-gorillas-eat-meat

Actually looking it up now, I think I was a little premature in my declaration that they partake in carnivorous opportunism. Most "hindgut digesters" like gorillas will, but it hasn't actually been documented in wild gorillas yet. My bad. I think I lumped them in with hippos and deer after I saw that blue jay get gobbled up. Was wild when it happened.

Between DNA from various small animals having been found in their feces on occasion, other hindgut digesters partaking in meat, and zoo gorillas acquiring a taste for meat when it's dropped in their lap, carnivorous opportunism on occasion might be likely, but it's not certain.

The zoo behavior could be an aberration, the DNA in the feces could come from incidental consumption, and there are other hindgut digesters like elephants that we're nearly 100% don't purposefully eat meat ever.

I'll edit my original comment to reflect that. Thanks for asking for a source and bring that to my attention. Hate it when I accidentally spread false or incomplete info.

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u/XxJibril 9d ago

man do i wish i could put on muscles like theirs by being a herbivore, could save me a whole lot of money 😂

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u/Fortune424 9d ago

Right? I am blown away they can pack on that much muscle by foraging for vegetables and stuff. I find it hard to eat 3000 calories a day and maintain a somewhat muscular 185 lbs as a human with access to grocery stores.

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u/GulleGozer 9d ago

Eating is practically the only thing they do

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u/TacoMisadventures 9d ago

They don't pack muscles from eating; they have genes that inherently allow their muscles to grow unhinged (like many other animals; humans really are weaklings.) Look up myostatin deficiency.

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u/ukezi 9d ago

To be fair the genes that make us not habe that much muscles are really good during food scarcity and apparently is important for our fine motor control.

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u/someguyyoutrust 9d ago

…..you absolutely can. One of the strongest men alive is vegan.

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u/Yeahnoallright 9d ago

This! I’m so shocked when people don’t know how many really physically strong people are vegan. Dom Thomson on Instagram is a great one to point to.

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u/SharMarali 9d ago

Standing and walking, just like Rory Calhoun.

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u/cthulu0 10d ago

Bobo walked purposefully off on two legs to deliver his friend safely

This is how I know they weren't talking about the Colorado representative.

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u/unresolved_m 9d ago

Lauren Bobo...

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u/victowiamawk 10d ago

OMG 🥰🥹🥲😭

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u/Medianstatistics 10d ago

What kind of animal is the pet?

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u/hat-of-sky 10d ago

Bushbaby. He put it back in its tree after.

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u/Atomaardappel 10d ago

"That's not my bush baby!"

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u/Carthonn 10d ago

The test revealed…that was a lie.

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u/sweetbunsmcgee 10d ago

Gorilla dances unnoticed in the background.

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u/SpaceSlingshot 9d ago Helpful

Who’s goddamn white baby is that?

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u/79watch 9d ago

I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! NUH UH! NUH UH! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE! I TOLD YOU HE AIN'T MINE!

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u/bondgirl852001 9d ago

This made me miss my dad. He would call me everyday about that days episode of Maury and how 5 guys were not the father but she had 5 more she could bring in to be tested.

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u/sharltocopes 10d ago

I don't know you! That's my bush baby!

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u/Mammoth_Painting_252 9d ago

God Dang It Bobby!

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u/throwawayncooking 9d ago

And those are not my teeth!

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u/FatesUrinal 10d ago

Unfun fact: Chimpanzees are smart, tool users. But one use they’ve found is using a stick to wrangle bush babies out of their arboreal hiding places so’s they can snack on them.

And yes I know, different ape, just felt like typing this crap.

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u/MattyBRapsthe3rd 9d ago

Chimps are scary man

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u/Stoneghoul 9d ago

The most similar to us.

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u/cogitationerror 9d ago

The most similar to us are actually bonobos! They are very peaceful creatures, but aren't advertised as being genetically more similar to us than chimps due to their affinity for sex - they introduce themselves with sex, resolve arguments with it, and participate in masturbatory behavior together.

Zoos, for obvious reasons, are not keen on showing this off. It's kind of a shame that they aren't more widely known, however, as new groups approach each other with curiosity instead of hostility. We have zero recorded cases of a bonobo killing another.

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u/allinbbbyfortendies 9d ago

Bonobos are not genetically more similar, it's that their musculature has changed less over time and that makes then physically closer to humans

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u/NoodleIskalde 9d ago

I recall reading that they're comparatively dimmer than Chimps because they happened to evolve in a zone that required little to no confrontation for thriving. So they get to grow up lazy and cozy.

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u/keepsmiling1326 9d ago edited 9d ago

Fun fact chimps & bonobos evolved from a common ancestor but were separated by mountain range. Bonobos side had plenty of food resources & their social culture evolved very differently- less violence, more communal.

I thought that bonobos and chimps were both our closest relatives genetically (equally though- like maybe common ancestor among all? Can’t remember details now). Evolution is awesome!

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u/Troggot 9d ago

Next life I want to be a bonobo

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u/VictarionGreyjoy 9d ago

My masturbatory behaviour tends to spark conflict, not resolve it

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u/baogody 9d ago

They're us if we didn't have to pretend.

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u/TagMeAJerk 9d ago

Erm.... What exactly are you pretending? Because you should probably see someone

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u/baogody 9d ago

Uu uu ahh ah ahhh dickbuTT

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u/msac2u1981 9d ago

That's some nightmare fuel if I've ever heard of it.

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u/rubberman13 10d ago

Nobody puts bush baby in a corner.

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u/FugoRanshee 10d ago

A GURILLUHS GOT MOY BUSH BUYBEE

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u/PlanetMorgoth 10d ago

A fucking monkey!

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u/slicerprime 10d ago

As opposed to a non-fucking monkey.

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u/Supreme42 9d ago

It's alive

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u/GammaBrass 9d ago

Let's just pretend I'm Pekora, peko

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u/Arcterion 9d ago

HA↗️HA↘️HA↗️HA↘️H

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u/Hussor 9d ago

Glad she let Kanata take care of it for a bit :)

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u/Clarksp2 10d ago edited 10d ago

What happened after the few hours…?

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u/[deleted] 10d ago

The gorilla put it back in the tree it found it in.

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u/Sobersoaker 10d ago

The pet was lucky it was a gorilla and not a polar bear. One might be curious, the other will be curious and then eat you lol

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u/Ake-TL 10d ago

Polar bear is … like the worst option you can get in general

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u/CraptasticFanDango 10d ago

If it's white... say goodnight.

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u/pdxblazer 9d ago

very relevant for Thanksgiving as well

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u/talldangry 9d ago Silver

If it's brown... pretend to drown...? I guess that kinda makes sense actually, damn.

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u/vociferous-lemur 9d ago

black fight back

brown lay down

white goodnight

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u/VladFr 9d ago edited 9d ago Helpful

Fact: Bears eat beets

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u/i-was-doing-stuff 9d ago

Bears. Beets. Battlestar Galactica

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u/CraptasticFanDango 9d ago

I think it's... if it's brown, just lay down.

If it's black, just fight back.

Someone correct me if I got it wrong.

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u/BumWink 9d ago

If it's white, FUCK RUlgtlekbzmdgbmaeime....

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u/avwitcher 9d ago

You don't survive in a barren tundra by being picky when it comes to your food

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u/Sobersoaker 10d ago

That's no shit, lol. Like, if I draw the polar bear card, just give me a gun, I'll kill myself, fuck.

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u/keenedge422 10d ago

I mean if they give you the polar bear card AND a gun, certainly you'd want to try the first few rounds on the polar bear, in case you got a lucky shot.

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u/Sobersoaker 10d ago

See, that thought crossed my mind. But even if I had Rambo-skills and could unload a clip of 5.56 rounds or abunch of 12 gauge shells into it (successfully, COD style lol), that polar bear might still fuck me up on sheer adrenaline alone. I mean, if I was given a pistol with one round Jack Sparrow style, I know what I'd probably do lol

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u/Ws6fiend 9d ago

Shoot the other guy with you in the leg and run hoping the polar bear goes for the easier prey?

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u/crash_and-burn9000 10d ago

Depends on the gun. You'd have decent chances with a twelve gauge and slugs.

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u/Mando92MG 9d ago

Only if you have nerves of steel and are comfortable with the gun. I have a TON of experience with shotguns and I'd definitely prefer Buckshot with an open choke in that sort of situation. The slugs have more stopping power but you trade off the 'accuracy' advantage buckshot has.

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u/Peuned 9d ago

The accuracy advantage of buckshot (haha) would just annoy its claws into you

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u/hates_stupid_people 9d ago edited 9d ago

To be fair, polar bears are pretty much the only fairly intelligent animal on the planet that actually view humans almost exclusively as food.

Other intelligent animals like orcas, elephants and similar actively avoid hurting humans unless pressured or hurt in capitivity.

(EDIT: Orcas, Elephants, Ravens, and several other animals have been shown to reckognize the difference between good and bad humans and treat them accordingly)

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u/pdxblazer 9d ago

I mean Ravens can come at me if they wanna fight

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u/kazenorin 9d ago

Raven: "Challenge accepted" proceeds to drop a hundred little stones on your head

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u/TheOneGecko 9d ago

Tuk was a polar bear that arrived to the Stanley Park Zoo in 1962. During the early 1980s, a man ran past Tuk's enclosure and threw a tiny kitten into the polar bear's pool. The public and park staff watched worrying that the kitten would drown or that Tuk would potentially kill it. Instead, the park staff was amazed as they watched Tuk slip into the water and carefully pulled the kitten out by placing it in his teeth. He laid down with the kitten to gently lick it clean and dry. Once the kitten was dry he tucked it safely under his paw. The staff were able to safely remove the kitten from him shortly there after.

https://ncears.org/blog/f/celebrating-altruism-tuk-the-polar-bear

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u/Sleuthingsome 9d ago

Who the heck was this man that likes throwing kittens into pools… that’s not at all sociopathic. /s

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u/mastrkief 9d ago

🎶Put that thing back where it came from or so help me!🎶

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u/Jedi_Outcast 10d ago

Did you ever see the new Power Rangers movie? You know what the Megazord backhands Rita Repulsa into low orbit?

It's like that except the gorilla put his pet gently back into the tree.

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u/MadMadBunny 10d ago

He loved it too much

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u/NotAllWhoWander_1 10d ago

I’ll love him, squeeze him, and call him George

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u/happydaddyintx77 10d ago

Because he is my friend!

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u/AJC_10_29 9d ago

A lot of people here still seem to think gorillas are violent psychopaths.

That’s chimpanzees you’re thinking of. Gorillas are 300 pound vegetarian pacifists. If one attacks you, you would’ve had to give it a good reason to first.

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u/CMDR_kamikazze 9d ago

Well yes but the reason could be pretty small and harmless from a human perspective. Like don't you even dare staring into the eyes of the gorilla. Or even worse beat your chest with the fist, imitating gorillas dominance gesture.

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u/Niskara 9d ago

Don't smile and show your teeth either. To an animal, that's a threat display

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u/tidepill 9d ago

This is why I smile at everyone around me

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u/[deleted] 9d ago edited 8d ago

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u/_artbreaker 9d ago

I feel like most of these things seem obscure until you just think of an animal doing these to you.

Like a dog trying to smile at you with it's teeth

Or a lion staring at you

Or a gorilla beating it's chest at you

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u/Munnin41 9d ago

Yeah someone did that on a daily basis to the gorillas at the Rotterdam (the Netherlands) zoo. Eventually the grayback accepted the challenge, jumped the moat and fucked her up.

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u/stevenmeyerjr 9d ago

I’ve always thought smiling was a weird thing for us to choose for the expression of happiness. In the animal kingdom, it generally means “fuck off”. 😂

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u/Doneyhew 9d ago

I thought laughter and smiling were just how we naturally showed joy. We don’t really get to pick how we react to something we think is funny right? We just react naturally I thought

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u/smashteapot 9d ago

Yeah it's a reflex. People who've been blind from birth still smile and grin when they're happy, so they can't have chosen to do it.

They probably meant evolution "choosing" that we'd smile when happy, which isn't a conscious choice, but more of dumb luck allowing the smilers to reproduce.

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u/Kozaba 9d ago

I agree, but let’s not paint gorillas as “pacifists”. They’re extremely docile, and kind to one another and occasionally other species but also tend to behave erratically, especially dominant males around humans. You don’t exactly have to give it a reason to attack you, it might just not like you in its territory. A gorilla is not something you want to take lightly thinking you would be safe around one. You pretty much want to make yourself as small as possible and not make eye contact, that’s not something you would need to do with a “pacifist” animal, no matter how large it is. If you’re looking for the true pacifist primate, look no further than bonobos. And yes chimpanzees are quite literally something conjured up by satan himself.

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u/bigTittyFoxGirl 9d ago

Orangutangs and bonobos. <3

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u/raccoonsonbicycles 9d ago

Are orangutans the ones with the flat faces?

I love those long arm flat face guys

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u/NoodleIskalde 9d ago

If I recall, their name basically means forest people. And apparently they're starting to use tools, like spear fishing.

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u/Zonerdrone 9d ago

I watched a group of captive gorilla fuck up a raccoon that got in their enclosure because they didn't know what it was and were afraid of it. Same thing with a snake.

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u/A_Wild_Turtle 9d ago

Same as most humans with spiders

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u/Zonerdrone 9d ago

Yeah, sort of. Similar reaction. Weren't in any way ohysically threatened but they didn't like the way it moved or its look so they just murdered it to make things simple

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u/AJC_10_29 9d ago

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u/Zonerdrone 9d ago

.......I don't think this is the video I saw. BUT...it was a while ago, I smoke weed and the human memory is notoriously shit so you may be right.

Also I know gorilla aren't just violent murderers and my earlier comment was not meant to seem like that was my point. I was just saying sometimes, as primates, we are all guilty of getting creeped out by something icky and just murdering it to be safe. I did it to a palmetto bug that crawled toward me in my kitchen in the night. Silverback muscles ain't for show.

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u/goodmobileyes 9d ago

Fuck me the guy on video sounds like an absolute douche

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u/LockedPages 9d ago

for anyone worried, gorillas are actually one of the more peaceful primates. bigger animals are typically more peaceful since 1) their stature dissuades a lot of attacks meaning they don't have to be on edge as much and 2) actually fighting takes up more energy than it's usually worth. unless this bushbaby somehow challenged a male gorilla's authority or one gorilla accidentally smushed it, it was pretty safe.

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u/deadlygaming11 9d ago

I would be amazed if the bushbaby challenged it.

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u/Francie_Nolan1964 10d ago edited 9d ago

Koko the gorilla had a kitten for a pet. She named it All Ball because the kitty would curl up in a ball. All Ball got out though and was hit and killed by a car. When Koko was told about the death she just sobbed. There's a video on YouTube about it. Heartbreaking.

Edit: gender

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u/argusromblei 10d ago

She also loooved nipples.

"Koko was reported to have a preoccupation with both male and female human nipples, with several people saying that Koko requested to see their nipples. In 2005, three female staff members at The Gorilla Foundation, where Koko resided, filed lawsuits against the organization, alleging that they were pressured to reveal their nipples to Koko by the organization's executive director, Francine Patterson (Penny), among other violations of labor law. The lawsuit alleged that in response to signing from Koko, Patterson pressured Keller and Alperin (two of the female staff) to flash the ape. "Oh, yes, Koko, Nancy has nipples. Nancy can show you her nipples," Patterson reportedly said on one occasion. And on another: "Koko, you see my nipples all the time. You are probably bored with my nipples. You need to see new nipples. I will turn my back so Kendra can show you her nipples."[48] Shortly thereafter, a third woman filed suit, alleging that upon being first introduced to Koko, Patterson told her that Koko was communicating that she wanted to see the woman's nipples, pressuring her to submit to Koko's demands and informing her that "everyone does it for her around here." When the woman briefly lifted her t-shirt, flashing her undergarments, Patterson admonished the woman and reiterated that Koko wanted to see her nipples. When the woman relented and showed her breasts to Koko, Patterson commented "Oh look, Koko, she has big nipples."

On another occasion, one of the gorilla's handlers told the woman that Koko wanted to be alone with her. When the woman went to Koko's enclosure, Koko began signing "Let down your hair. Lie down on the floor. Show your breasts again. Close your eyes," before beginning to squat and breathe heavily.[49] The lawsuits were settled out of court. Gorilla expert Kristen Lukas has said that other gorillas are not known to have had a similar nipple fixation."

Kinda makes you think that last one if it was Koko or the trainer influencing her.

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u/mahalovalhalla 9d ago

Nips out for Koko, dicks out for Harambe

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u/The_Meatyboosh 9d ago

Before the weird roleplay at the end, I was imagining something more like;

Koko: "PleAse gIvE TaNgeRinE."
Handler: "What? Nipples again Koko? You better show her your nipples or she'll get upset."

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u/argusromblei 9d ago

Exactly haha. Def a plausible conspiracy that isn't addressed. But it didn't stop lawsuits anyway!

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u/avwitcher 9d ago

Give Nipple Me Give See Nipple Me See Nipple Give Me See Nipple Give Me You.

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u/BlueBurstBoi 9d ago

Not something I expected to learn while eating Thanksgiving dinner lmfao

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u/argusromblei 9d ago

Damn put down your phone boi and relax stop reading reddit.

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u/BlueBurstBoi 9d ago

It's like a toxic relationship I'm always checking even when majority of the frontpage is doomsday depressing type shit

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u/KittyCatfish 9d ago

Can't blame the girl, I too would ask people to flash me if I was a gorilla kept in a cage.

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u/Drakayne 9d ago

He's like me fr.

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u/avwitcher 9d ago

She, Koko was a she

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u/Drakayne 9d ago

My bad, she's like me fr then.

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u/Spoonacus 10d ago

My favorite story of Koko and the kitten is when she tore a sink out of the wall or something super destructive like that. When asked what happened, she blamed it on the kitten, heh. Or so I read.

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u/ovalpotency 9d ago edited 9d ago

When Koko was five she sat on the sink in the kitchen, causing it to cave slightly away from the counter. I then had an assistant named Kate Mann, a deaf woman Koko loved to blame things on. Kate was not, so far as I had noticed, prone to fits of violence. Thus, when I saw the broken sink and asked, “What happened here?” I was not disposed to believe Koko when she signed, Kate there bad. In fact, the image of a gorilla accusing a good-natured young woman of breaking the sink made it hard for me to maintain my pretense of irritation.

Koko’s first apparent lie also involved blaming some destruction on Kate. In May 1974, at age three, Koko was asked “Who broke this [toy] cat?” Koko replied, Kate cat. It was entirely clear that this was a lie, because Koko had been with Kate the day before when the toy cat was broken, and she may have been summoning random associations. However, in some of her more recent lies, her intent is so clear as to be comical.

One such recent incident I recorded on film in 1978. While I was occupied with Koko’s checklist of signs, I noticed that she had snatched a crayon from the top of the videotape monitor and was chewing on it. “You’re not eating that crayon, are you?” I demanded. Koko signed lip and began moving the crayon first across her upper then her lower lip as if applying lipstick. Even Koko realized that this explanation was absurd, and when I asked her what she was really doing she signed bite. When I asked why, she responded hungry. Koko tried a similar deception once when she was caught in the act of trying to break a window screen with a chopstick she’d stolen from the silverware drawer. When asked what she was doing, Koko replied, Smoke mouth, and placed the stick in her mouth as if she were smoking a cigarette.

*Sorry, PSA time. These are the allegations of Patterson. The problem is that video of these events were never provided, all of these allegations are based upon Patterson's private interpretation of Koko's intent and couldn't be reviewed independently. The few times video was provided, it's dicey. Here's another clip where you can glimpse at her methodology and it's very suspect. And again, in an online chat PR thing with AOL.

Host: SBM87 asks, What are the names of your kittens? (and dogs?)

LiveKOKO: Foot.

DrPPatrsn: Foot isn't the name of your kitty

LiveKOKO: Hear lip.

DrPPatrsn: She wants to hear the lady on the phone. Maybe you can ask her that question.

Host: Koko, what's the name of your cat?

LiveKOKO: Huff, no.

DrPPatrsn: She just gave some vocalizations there... some soft puffing

Host: I heard that soft puffing!

DrPPatrsn: Now shaking her head no. Are you not going to answer that question?

Host: Do you like to chat with other people? That was from Rulucky!

DrPPatrsn: Koko, do you like to talk to people?

LiveKOKO: Fine nipple.

DrPPatrsn: Yes, that was her answer. 'Nipple' rhymes with 'people,' OK? She doesn't sign people per se, so she may be trying to do a 'sounds like...' but she indicated it was 'fine.'

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u/TheNightIsLost 9d ago

It's like taking care of a toddler.

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u/DadBane 9d ago

I take care of a mentally handicapped deaf woman, and honestly, all these things sound incredibly similar to some of the things I've had to deal with lol

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u/RagingNerdaholic 9d ago

A toddler that could lift a car and fuck you up with a light swipe of the palm.

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u/Embarrassed_Lettuce9 9d ago

Plot twist: Kate was secretly a roided out psychopath but no one believes the gorilla

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u/direvoid 9d ago

this is incredibly interesting and funny. where are these quotes from?

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u/fckyourapp 9d ago

The quotes appear to be by Francine Patterson. I believe she wrote several publications about Koko.

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u/SomebodyHelpMePles 9d ago

Saving comment because I love this

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u/goodmobileyes 9d ago

I did some research on the whole Koko story in university. It's certainly interesting to read about and heartwarming at times, but one has to remember that a lot of these records are not in scientific journals or papers, they're in a book published by Patterson. In fact if you look into the data gathered in the early stages when it was still a research project, you do get a sense that the claims about Koko's language abilities are severely overblown. Often times it's just Koko firing off a string of random signs, and the keeper projecting their own assumptions to view it as Koko.making a statement or request.

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u/Repealer 10d ago

you sure the kitten wasn't yoked as hell?

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u/u12bdragon 9d ago

There's a yt vid about how Koko never learned anything and was just imitating. The ape was apparently stringing words together randomly and her handler (i forget the ladys name) would interpret it as speech due to wanting the gorilla to know how to talk.

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u/ladykatey 10d ago

Koko was female.

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u/Francie_Nolan1964 10d ago

Ah. I guess that I should have paid more attention

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u/SoggyKaleidoscopes 9d ago

Also, it's heavily suspected that Koko didn't have nearly as much ability for language as we thought. There was a massive scandal about Koko's trainer just making shit up.

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u/overlordpotatoe 9d ago

I think to a degree it can also be that humans are very good at finding our own meaning in things. I've seen videos of animals that are given a bunch of buttons they can press that say different words and I'm pretty sure they just hit buttons at random and hope for the best. A lot of combinations of words like treat, walk, yes, no, please, etc. are going to make sense, and your dog is probably always going to be pretty happy if they get any of the things the buttons allow them to ask for so it will seem like they communicated what they wanted.

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u/Embarrassed_Lettuce9 9d ago

I always assumed it becomes a pavlovian response. Like blue button = treat feels like something an animal can reasonably learn

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u/SoggyKaleidoscopes 9d ago

Yes, koko would be pretty good at communicating she was hungry, but that's about it. Koko knew certain "signs", but I doubt she knew what they meant. Her handler would just string together words that sounded right in context to make it look like Koko was communicating a complex sentence when she was probably just "babbling" randomly in the hopes that she would get what she wanted.

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u/flowerpiercer 9d ago

But dogs and cats learn words. "Let's go out" or "sausage" usually gets dogs super excited. They know what it means. Buttons have voices in them that say the words. It is pretty easy to believe many animals are smart enough for them.

It also gives pets some autonomy. It's great for cats to be able to ask "brush" and get brushing. It's great for owners to be able to say "all done" when they stop playing or anything. All done is also a command you can teach to a dog with out buttons. There is nothin unrealistic about buttons. Every one of those are teached individually and one at the time.

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u/The_alchemist667 9d ago

Kinda weird considering gorillas can't actually comprehend language.

Not trying to burst your bubble but theres quite a bit of over exaggeration on how well apes and gorillas can comprehend sign language or being told things like that. Likely that he didnt truly understand what he was told

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u/ExpatJundi 10d ago

I think the whole Koko thing was more or less a hoax.

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u/PidgeonCoo 9d ago

Don’t think hoax is the right word, but Koko was definitely exaggerated and anthropomorphized

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u/Icantbethereforyou 10d ago

Well. I'm convinced. Good job.

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u/ExpatJundi 10d ago

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u/igweyliogsuh 10d ago edited 10d ago

That's all about the sign language, nothing about kittens.

Dogs can learn signs. Even betta fish can learn signs. Why wouldn't Koko be able to? To begin with, "all" and "ball" are both incredibly easy to understand, and that would only require two signs...

The fact that she didn't "officially master the entirety of American sign language" doesn't mean the entire thing was a hoax. That just sounds like stupid people embellishing for headlines, not an accurate representation of the situation.

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u/Lucas_Steinwalker 10d ago

The reality of the situation is that Koko’s proficiency at sign language was vastly overstated and embellished by her handlers and the media. That doesn’t mean that she didn’t love her adorable kitten friend. She also liked to see and touch the nipples of her handlers which some say they were forced to do. It’s a whole mess.

Not as weird as that lady who jerked off the dolphin to help him learn English tho.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

Lmao, dolphins degenerates of nature

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u/Pete_O_Torcido 9d ago

That particular dolphin drowned himself after no longer being able to see the handjob lady

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u/HotTakes4HotCakes 9d ago

Not as weird as that lady who jerked off the dolphin to help him learn English tho.

You can not say shit like this and just leave us hanging

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u/bigsussy 9d ago

woah, apes can have pets? that’s crazy. anyway, I’m gonna go feed my cat.

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u/Error404MATTnotfound 10d ago

Harambe had a pet too

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u/DynamiteWitLaserBeam 10d ago

Too soon.

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u/BillyCee34 10d ago

Dicks out for Harambe would’ve brought the world together…but y’all got cock shy.

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u/iq22 10d ago

I explain this every time! I can’t see mine, I thought it was out!

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u/A_lot_of_arachnids 10d ago

So it's your fault the world's like this?!?

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u/electric__fetus 9d ago

Harambe was a good man

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u/Moon6T9 9d ago

Thankfully it was a gorilla and not a fkn chimpanzee

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u/Namaste28ish 10d ago

And then?

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u/fretfulmushroom 10d ago

No and then.

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u/Namaste28ish 10d ago

And then! And then! And then! And then lol

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u/BroChad69 10d ago

Just watched this movie the other day. Classic

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u/bigbilly1234567899 10d ago

Dude your tattoo says sweet

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u/BroChad69 10d ago

Haha sweeettt. What’s mine say? Duude.

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u/DragonflyMon83 10d ago

Did it got killed, escaped or got released? I need to know.

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u/Sablus 10d ago

The gorilla put it back in the tree actually

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u/LCplGunny 10d ago

Right... You can't just say that like that and not follow up, we need fucking answers!

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u/smellybathroom3070 10d ago

he let it go after a few hours ❤️ the otehr person who replied was talking about koko

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u/Santoka108 10d ago

LOL everyone's thinking this is an Of Mice and Men scenario until they know kitty's safe.

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u/TSB_Django 10d ago edited 10d ago

The gorilla learned sign language, had the cat as a pet for a period of time and bonded with it, and then one day the cat was tragically hit by a car. The gorilla continuously signed “sad” to her trainers as it mourned the loss of its pet cat.

True story. Animals are amazing. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-01-10-mn-9038-story.html

Edit: Turns out this story was Koko, a gorilla with a pet cat, not to be confused (as I did) with Bobo, the gorilla pictured here with a different pet.

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u/asilvertintedrose 10d ago

No offense but the Gorilla in the picture isn't Koko, this is Bobo, a Silverback Gorilla from Cameroon & the pet in their hand is a Bush Baby

(Although yeah, the Koko story happened)

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u/gdmfsobtc 10d ago

And in a world of complete coincidence, my Airborne Ranger vascular surgeon friend has two toy poodles, Bobo who is black and Koko who is white.

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u/TSB_Django 10d ago

So you’re telling me there are 2 gorillas that have pets??? Animals are definitely taking over the world lol

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u/VialOVice 10d ago

Having a pet and cooperative living is pretty much the same. A pet offers you emotional support and relaxation, as well as interest and intrigue. And for some triggers protection instincts, as well as the feeling of companionship.The pet gets safety, and potentially food or other benefits, like a safe guarded home, etc.

Cooperative living of animals has been plenty observed. Crocodiles cooperate with Egyptian plover birds, which clean their teeth. Croc ´has clean teeth, bird has a snack. Goats or pigs that party with monkeys somewhere, etc... It's not as frequent in those special cases like gorilla, taking in a pet, or monkeys teaming with goats. But if this hightens the chances of survival compared to others in their group, then eventually a relation across the species like the crocs and birds can be created, as cooperation success makes for good natural selection.

So I think this is also a beneficial relationship.

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u/ForZeCLimb 10d ago

I always think of those Tarantulas that keep tiny frogs as pets. They protect the frogs from predators and the frogs eat the pests that are too small for the spider to handle. They also do eat other frogs of the similar size but not the microhylids for some reason.

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u/ToothpickInCockhole 10d ago

We are animals

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u/SativaHomie 10d ago edited 10d ago

Comic Bill Burr turned this story into an incredible 15 or so minute string of jokes

It's on his special titled "Walk Your Way Out"

Edit: I'm sure just this story re-imagined by him can be found on YouTube as well

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u/essssgeeee 9d ago

KoKo the gorilla was a captive gorilla who learned sign language, and also had a pet cat. When her cat left the closure and got run over, her caregiver had to explain via signs, what had happened. Koko was very upset, and signed the sign for crying. She was overjoyed when they brought her another kitten.

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