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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/omgburritos Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

Joe Manchin's daughter

Edit: EpiPen, not insulin. But still...

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u/Reddituser45005 Jan 14 '22

And she got a $30 millions golden parachute to exit the company after the EpiPen scandal. It has since, rebranded under a new corporate name and shuttered it’s primary manufacturing ( and only unionized ) plant in North America

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u/polyrhetor Jan 14 '22

She was also the central player in the WVU executive MBA scandal, in which she claimed to have it, didn’t complete it, and when called on it the WVU admin falsified records rather than contradict her. As a Mountaineer grad I still feel perpetual outrage about this.

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u/Sage2050 Jan 14 '22

Don't forget that daddy Manchin was friends with the CEO of said pharma company that made her COO out of college with no qualifications that she would later became CEO of.

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u/QuickAltTab Jan 14 '22

Double don't forget that mommy manchin was the head of the WVa board of education and spearheaded the campaign to require schools to purchase epipens, which coincidentally enough coincided with her daughter's campaign to price gouge on the price of said epipens.

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u/ArtisanSamosa Jan 15 '22

And now they are going around blocking infrastructure spending, child tax credits, minimum wage increases, etc... Ya'll ever seen the embodiment of evil? I've heard of this Satan guy, but he doesn't seem as bad as these people.

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u/1982throwaway1 Jan 15 '22

Yes, they are bad but I don't think Biden really gives two shits either. He's not really pushing hard to get lower drug costs or universal healthcare and why would he, I mean the pharmaceutical companies give a shit ton of money to the DNC.

I mean yeah, he mentions these things just to have them blocked by Manchin and then rolls over and plays dead.

The real power move would be if Bresch suddenly found herself under investigation. I bet that Manchin would be a lot more willing to play ball at that point.

I's sick of have the choice of shitty and shittier. Yeah, Biden was the shit we stepped in, Trump was the shit sandwich we all had to take a bite of. Neither are acceptable.

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u/ArtisanSamosa Jan 15 '22

Yea bro. I feel the pain. It sucks the situation we're all in.

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u/Sage2050 Jan 15 '22

Wow it's almost like the entire family is shit

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u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

No different than Trump and his genetic sewage. It’s just that most of the ruling class keeps a low profile and doesn’t ruffle too many feathers of fellow rich people and their goons (Law Enforcement).

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u/jacobpellegren Jan 14 '22

That is completely fucked.

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u/Kgirrs Jan 15 '22

Man, fuck Manchin. Even democrats from that state are horrible shitheads

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u/IHeartBadCode Jan 14 '22

Interesting thing about EpiPen is that eventually generics and alternative forms got made. Around 2018 EpiPen was about 90% the market, today it’s about 10%.

That said, the makers of EpiPen are also the makers of one of the generics. I’m currently using one of the generics made by someone else Auvi-Q. There’s also one done by CVS. That said, the cash price of generics is still pretty high.

For mine, there’s a website you can go to that you sign up for and it takes about $200 off the price, so I pay about $25 per year for the medication. And that’s a similar situation for a lot of the other generics. Hoops one must jump through to get more affordable prices. I’ll never understand why they must have these hoops one must jump through. But we have at the very least gone from one maker to like three, so there’s a bit of hope that it’s changing somewhat.

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u/wiggins-ender Jan 14 '22

Having hoops to jump through makes it more likely that people with the means to just pay will do so rather than jump through said hoops.

Super shitty antics.

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u/TheFAPnetwork Jan 14 '22

I take an injection for psoriasis. My copay was $3,000 with insurance. I was given a phone number to call where I get a break in the price so I only pay $5.00 . The fact that I had to go through three separate people to get where I needed to is bonkers.

I've seen the medication as high as $19,000.00

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u/LetMeBe_Frank Jan 15 '22

Humera? And does it work for you? (might be completely misremembering the option)

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u/TheFAPnetwork Jan 15 '22

Stelara, works works wonders

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u/LetMeBe_Frank Jan 15 '22

Thanks. Looks similar to me. I tried otezla pills but the upset stomach and risk of suicidal depression had me spooked after a month. Clobetasol foam works to reduce it if I remember to apply twice daily, but it's annoying to do the same thing for years and only ever reduce patches, never stop them

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u/TheFAPnetwork Jan 15 '22

Humera didn't work for me. The amount of injections needed to get rid of the psoriasis was too much and it didn't work for me.

I got stelara and do an injection every twelve weeks

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u/LookingintheAbyss Jan 14 '22

And if you don't have time to hunt for hoops, you get to pay the full price.

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u/Artanthos Jan 14 '22

The hoops are about tax deductions for the company.

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u/scrangos Jan 14 '22

Still causes a non-zero amount of people that need it to not have it or ration it

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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

they aren't doing it for the uninsured individuals.

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u/coggas Jan 14 '22

Hoops exist to create exploitable margins for the purpose of profit.

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u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

My mom is in that group. CVS always claims her insurance doesn’t cover this or that and she’ll just fork over $80 rather than jump through hoops.

Once I had her pick up my prescriptions and she spent over $100 even though it’s always free. The pharmacy claimed that my insurance wasn’t going through and she’s just like “whatever.. how much..?” and pays and leaves. Lol

And what irritated me the most is that she paid around $50 for the generic Flonase script with the crappy spray mechanism when she could’ve gotten 2 name brand OTC Flonase bottles with the good spray mechanism for that money.

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u/Dr_Nik Jan 14 '22

Look at Mr Fancy here using non-expired medication.

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u/morbie5 Jan 14 '22

From what I understand the generic EpiPen still cost more now than the original EpiPen cost before Joe Manchin's daughter raised the price.

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u/fuckitw3ball Jan 14 '22

AuviQ was great until they got sued into oblivion for putting the wrong doses in their delivery devices.

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u/BikerJedi Jan 14 '22

I hope more people see this.

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u/Jed1m1ndtr1cks Jan 14 '22

I love the nuances of language. "That said," is something you've probably never thought about that you repeat often. Mine is "I'd like to think," as an employee once pointed out after I'd used it in 3-4 consecutive sentences.

Anyways, just something I noticed, not meant as a dig or slight. Cheers!

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u/Burningshroom Jan 15 '22

You guys wouldn't believe the cost of epi for research. I do the math every once in a while. It comes out to 0.2¢ per human dose if I remember right.

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u/Qaz_ Jan 14 '22

Kaleo (who make Auvi-Q) are no saints as well. Their autoinjector is also expensive as hell, and probably didn't get as much attention because they're a smaller company and didn't raise the prices while having a contract to have autoinjectors sold to schools. Good to see that they have made generics, but $600 for 1 of their injectors is insane.

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u/IHeartBadCode Jan 14 '22

Good to see that they have made generics, but $600 for 1 of their injectors is insane.

Yeah, $600 for a single year is the direct cash in hand price. Yeah it's really expensive if you pay that price. That said, anyone making $100,000/yr AGI or less qualifies for that whole thing I mentioned where they yank $200 off the price (per shot, so $400 if you buy the kit). Additionally, if you get it not directly from them but a supplier, they buy in bulk, you usually can get another $150-$170 off the price.

I pay about $25 a year for the medication cash in hand from a supplier in Colorado. If I were to go through insurance it'd be way more than that. It's crazy that in order to get it cheaply you have to go through so many hoops.

Kaleo (who make Auvi-Q) are no saints as well

Yeah. No disagreement there.

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u/ouaisjeparlechinois Jan 14 '22

If I were to go through insurance it'd be way more than that.

I pay the same price and my understanding, as their website says, is that all commercially insured patients buy Auvi Q for $25 or less. I have insurance and I buy it for $25 for two of the cartridges.

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u/ouaisjeparlechinois Jan 14 '22

Good to see that they have made generics, but $600 for 1 of their injectors is insane.

I don't think anyone actually pays that much? If you have insurance, you pay $25 as I did. If you don't and you're poor, you get them for free (like I did when I first started using it).

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u/ifweweresharks Jan 15 '22

Not everyone has good insurance

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u/ouaisjeparlechinois Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

It's not about if you have good insurance. If you have insurance, you can buy it for 25$

Edit: I realize having insurance is expensive but with Obamacare, it's cheaper to have insurance than not have it

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u/creepyforestguy Jan 14 '22

Yall pay for medication?

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u/cire1184 Jan 14 '22

This is America

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u/creepyforestguy Jan 15 '22

Feel terrible for it

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u/Windmillskillbirds Jan 14 '22

Whats the website you go through?

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u/najing_ftw Jan 14 '22

That surprises me, but it shouldn’t

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u/omgburritos Jan 14 '22

If Biden had more balls, he would've used her corruption as leverage to pass the budget reconciliation package

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u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

If Biden had more balls, he would have had Congress remove the Republican seditionists who aided in the Jan 6th insurrection. The remaining Republicans would have a really hard time getting the 2/3 majority needed to reinstate their seditionist brethren.

The problem is that although I know of several Republican seditionists in the House, I'm not so sure about any in the Senate. And the Senate is where it counts.

If there were enough Republicans removed from both the House and Senate, there would have been a simple Democrat majority reached without Sinema and Manchin on the infrastructure bill.

There is enough probable cause to suspend / censure / prevent from voting the Republicans who were involved in the Jan 6 sedition pending a thorough DoJ investigation.

If you don't get a majority initially, you remove Republicans and lower the denominator value.

This would have been the Republican hardball play were the roles reversed.

I don't understand why Democrats always choose the high road. I suppose this could cause Civil War but fuck it, Democrats need to play hardball at or beyond the level played by the Republicans. The way they're going, they'll lose the majority in the legislature in 2022.

The hardball denominator logic also applies to Republicans packing the Supreme Court. Don't like it, pass legislation increasing the number of justices and have Biden "pack" the Supreme Court with his picks. That would be possible with a simple majority on both the House and Senate side.

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u/ABobby077 Jan 14 '22

see Hawley and Cruz for further details

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u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22

Nice!

Then there would be enough for a Senate Democrat majority with a reduced denominator.

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u/sedition666 Jan 14 '22

I understand where you are coming from but despite what the Republicans think, there still seems to be Democrats that believe in democracy still.

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u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22

See 14th Amendment, Section 3.

Democracy needs to be protected against seditious enemies from within.

It is because Democrats are choosing not to protect democracy now that we will descend into Fascism with Trump running again in 2024.

The Democrats seem to think this is business as usual. It isn't. The next time a Trump rally will descend on the Capitol, they'll be better organized and they'll succeed at the coup they started on 1/6/2020.

I will blame the Democrats for failing to act.

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u/T3hSwagman Jan 15 '22

At least when they are rounded up in camps in the United States of Fascism they will be able to tell themselves they were morally superior to their captors.

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u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

aT lEAst We pReSeRvEd ThE FiLibUstEr !1!1!1

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u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

I’m 100% convinced that Dems are losing the house and senate in 2022. That’ll reduce Biden to a temporary figurehead while the GOP kicks their dismantling of Democracy into overdrive.

I don’t think Trump will run in 2024 (he’ll pretend he is and say he is so he can keep the slush funds going). I think the GOP candidates will all be jockeying to be Trump’s “anointed one” and that GOP candidate will win in 2024 and Trump will be the “true power behind the crown.”

It doesn’t even matter if only 20% of the votes are for the Trump-picked GOP candidate, by then the Republicans will have rendered elections into nothing more than political theater. They’ll do whatever it takes to get the electoral votes to win the presidency — and KEEP the presidency, along with the house & senate too.

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u/Sea-Explanation-2452 Jan 15 '22

Because all this political theater, and they truly prefer conservative values. They just pretend to be liberal.

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u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

That’s why the Dems are using the Republican strategy of focusing on culture war BS.

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u/1982throwaway1 Jan 15 '22

I don't understand why Democrats always choose the high road.

Because they are still getting money if nothing changes. They are playing both sides by pretending they want to do something and as soon an the R's block it (or manchin and cinema), then they can pretend they tried while still getting the donations they love.

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u/scrufdawg Jan 14 '22

he would have had Congress remove the Republican seditionists who aided in the Jan 6th insurrection

Doesn't work that way. This is a democracy still, like it or not.

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u/iAmTheHYPE- Jan 14 '22

Does work that way. See: 14th Amendment

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u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

14th Amendment, Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Seems pretty clear to me bud.

The seditionists serving currently in the House and Senate need to be stripped of their office.

It would be up to the remaining Republicans to go begging to the Democrats to get a 2/3 majority to reinstate.

The Democrats would tell them to go pound sand.

Worst case scenario, the remaining Republicans would walk out and refuse to participate in any new legislative initiatives.

Here's the recourse for that

https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/rules-procedures/compulsory-attendance.htm

The Senate’s new rule provided that less than a quorum could authorize expenses for the sergeant at arms to bring absent members back to the chamber. The office of sergeant at arms had recently been created specifically for chasing down absent senators and reluctant witnesses needed for the conduct of Senate business. Those senators who had prematurely left town without a sufficient excuse would be required to pay whatever expenses the sergeant at arms incurred in returning them.

So right off the bat, in a preemptive hardball move, Democrats should be empowering the office of sergeant at arms with an increased budget and more manpower.

Also, if Democrats really want to play hardball, preemptively empower the sergeant at arms to install geo-tracking ankle bracelets on all representatives in case any decide to go AWOL.

This is what Democrats should be doing ATM.

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u/a_Tick Jan 14 '22

if Democrats really want to play hardball

Sadly, they seem to be unwilling to play ball at all.

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u/scrufdawg Jan 15 '22

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If the two impeachments have taught us anything, it's that an attempt at this would be political suicide. Not a single R would vote for this. Not a single one. And this would die in the House, and give R's ammunition for decades.

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u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

It’s 2/3 vote of each House to “remove such disability”

The “disability” is that seditious member(s) are barred from holding office.

This means that a 2/3 vote of each House would be needed to re-instate the seditious representative.

A 2/3 vote of each house is not needed to expel a member of Congress.

The onus would not be on the Republicans to expel as you think.

The onus would be on the roughly 16% of the Democrats that would need to vote to reinstate the seditious Republicans who aided in the 1/6/2021 insurrection.

The 16% figure assumes roughly 50/50 Democrat to Republican percentage ratio in each House.

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u/Bonersaucey Jan 14 '22

They did it on house of cards and it turned out fine

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u/jukeboxhero10 Jan 14 '22

Biden doesn't even know what time of day it is. The dude poops himself during meetings with the Vatican.

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u/sedition666 Jan 14 '22

What are you harking on about

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u/jukeboxhero10 Jan 15 '22

He legit pooped his pants

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u/sedition666 Jan 15 '22

Is this the level of media outlet you are reading? You need to broaden your horizons mate.

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u/jukeboxhero10 Jan 14 '22

If he had any balls.

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u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

If he Biden would’ve raised 1/10th of hell that Trump would’ve raised in that situation, Manchin would’ve folded within 2 news cycles.

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u/Sage2050 Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

That's politics. It's not like she's getting convicted

Edit: which do you prefer?
A) nothing happens to the crooks.
B) nothing happens to the crooks but we get some positive legislation out of it through the threat of consequences.

I know which I like.

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u/FiggyTheTurtle Jan 15 '22

One side is, maybe. The other knows when to go for the throat lol

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u/ThisFckinGuy Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

Because hes not here to really do anything for us common folks. He's stabilizing the republican rush on power to appease major Dem donors would be my guess. And he's "not Trump" so that's enough of a win for many others. Idk who tf Dems will run in 3 years, especially if they lose the house and even more power to "attempt" to pass anything. There's already enough issue getting things through the senate with McCarthy Manchin* and Sinema.

Its just weak the whole way down. Inflation will stay and this is the new norm. I'm not gonna pretend I'm well versed in policies or even politics in general but I know a puppet vibe and when not to be surprised that nothing is really happening. But I always leave myself open to be proved wrong.

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u/annuidhir Jan 14 '22

McCarthy is a Republican. I think you mean Manchin, the Democrat from WV.

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u/ThisFckinGuy Jan 14 '22

Freudian slip.

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u/whattfareyouon Jan 14 '22

Hes old as fuck and just wanted his family name in the history books. He solidified that

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u/annuidhir Jan 14 '22

Yeah, because being a Senator and Vice President wouldn't have gotten him mentioned in the history books...

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u/sedition666 Jan 14 '22

Who wouldn't want to be President if they had the chance? Literally the highest attainment for any politician. I don't know why you would just downplay it like a passing attempt to make history. You might totally disagree with every policy he has ever supported but he has dedicated his life to American politics and should have a little bit of respect for the effort.

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u/mabhatter Jan 14 '22

Yes! Fight like a Republican would. Republicans are all about "tough guy" Presidents, right? Fight dirty, get results... then get voters!

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u/babybopp Jan 14 '22

Hear hear

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u/NinjaLanternShark Jan 14 '22

Eh. The last thing we need is to normalize the practice of leveraging someone's adult children for political gain.

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u/sBucks24 Jan 15 '22

After she lied about her education 👍