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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry


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u/omgburritos Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

Joe Manchin's daughter

Edit: EpiPen, not insulin. But still...


u/najing_ftw Jan 14 '22

That surprises me, but it shouldn’t


u/omgburritos Jan 14 '22

If Biden had more balls, he would've used her corruption as leverage to pass the budget reconciliation package


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

If Biden had more balls, he would have had Congress remove the Republican seditionists who aided in the Jan 6th insurrection. The remaining Republicans would have a really hard time getting the 2/3 majority needed to reinstate their seditionist brethren.

The problem is that although I know of several Republican seditionists in the House, I'm not so sure about any in the Senate. And the Senate is where it counts.

If there were enough Republicans removed from both the House and Senate, there would have been a simple Democrat majority reached without Sinema and Manchin on the infrastructure bill.

There is enough probable cause to suspend / censure / prevent from voting the Republicans who were involved in the Jan 6 sedition pending a thorough DoJ investigation.

If you don't get a majority initially, you remove Republicans and lower the denominator value.

This would have been the Republican hardball play were the roles reversed.

I don't understand why Democrats always choose the high road. I suppose this could cause Civil War but fuck it, Democrats need to play hardball at or beyond the level played by the Republicans. The way they're going, they'll lose the majority in the legislature in 2022.

The hardball denominator logic also applies to Republicans packing the Supreme Court. Don't like it, pass legislation increasing the number of justices and have Biden "pack" the Supreme Court with his picks. That would be possible with a simple majority on both the House and Senate side.


u/ABobby077 Jan 14 '22

see Hawley and Cruz for further details


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22


Then there would be enough for a Senate Democrat majority with a reduced denominator.


u/sedition666 Jan 14 '22

I understand where you are coming from but despite what the Republicans think, there still seems to be Democrats that believe in democracy still.


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22

See 14th Amendment, Section 3.

Democracy needs to be protected against seditious enemies from within.

It is because Democrats are choosing not to protect democracy now that we will descend into Fascism with Trump running again in 2024.

The Democrats seem to think this is business as usual. It isn't. The next time a Trump rally will descend on the Capitol, they'll be better organized and they'll succeed at the coup they started on 1/6/2020.

I will blame the Democrats for failing to act.


u/T3hSwagman Jan 15 '22

At least when they are rounded up in camps in the United States of Fascism they will be able to tell themselves they were morally superior to their captors.


u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

aT lEAst We pReSeRvEd ThE FiLibUstEr !1!1!1


u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

I’m 100% convinced that Dems are losing the house and senate in 2022. That’ll reduce Biden to a temporary figurehead while the GOP kicks their dismantling of Democracy into overdrive.

I don’t think Trump will run in 2024 (he’ll pretend he is and say he is so he can keep the slush funds going). I think the GOP candidates will all be jockeying to be Trump’s “anointed one” and that GOP candidate will win in 2024 and Trump will be the “true power behind the crown.”

It doesn’t even matter if only 20% of the votes are for the Trump-picked GOP candidate, by then the Republicans will have rendered elections into nothing more than political theater. They’ll do whatever it takes to get the electoral votes to win the presidency — and KEEP the presidency, along with the house & senate too.


u/Sea-Explanation-2452 Jan 15 '22

Because all this political theater, and they truly prefer conservative values. They just pretend to be liberal.


u/NAmember81 Jan 15 '22

That’s why the Dems are using the Republican strategy of focusing on culture war BS.


u/1982throwaway1 Jan 15 '22

I don't understand why Democrats always choose the high road.

Because they are still getting money if nothing changes. They are playing both sides by pretending they want to do something and as soon an the R's block it (or manchin and cinema), then they can pretend they tried while still getting the donations they love.


u/scrufdawg Jan 14 '22

he would have had Congress remove the Republican seditionists who aided in the Jan 6th insurrection

Doesn't work that way. This is a democracy still, like it or not.


u/iAmTheHYPE- Jan 14 '22

Does work that way. See: 14th Amendment


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

14th Amendment, Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Seems pretty clear to me bud.

The seditionists serving currently in the House and Senate need to be stripped of their office.

It would be up to the remaining Republicans to go begging to the Democrats to get a 2/3 majority to reinstate.

The Democrats would tell them to go pound sand.

Worst case scenario, the remaining Republicans would walk out and refuse to participate in any new legislative initiatives.

Here's the recourse for that


The Senate’s new rule provided that less than a quorum could authorize expenses for the sergeant at arms to bring absent members back to the chamber. The office of sergeant at arms had recently been created specifically for chasing down absent senators and reluctant witnesses needed for the conduct of Senate business. Those senators who had prematurely left town without a sufficient excuse would be required to pay whatever expenses the sergeant at arms incurred in returning them.

So right off the bat, in a preemptive hardball move, Democrats should be empowering the office of sergeant at arms with an increased budget and more manpower.

Also, if Democrats really want to play hardball, preemptively empower the sergeant at arms to install geo-tracking ankle bracelets on all representatives in case any decide to go AWOL.

This is what Democrats should be doing ATM.


u/a_Tick Jan 14 '22

if Democrats really want to play hardball

Sadly, they seem to be unwilling to play ball at all.


u/scrufdawg Jan 15 '22

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If the two impeachments have taught us anything, it's that an attempt at this would be political suicide. Not a single R would vote for this. Not a single one. And this would die in the House, and give R's ammunition for decades.


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

It’s 2/3 vote of each House to “remove such disability”

The “disability” is that seditious member(s) are barred from holding office.

This means that a 2/3 vote of each House would be needed to re-instate the seditious representative.

A 2/3 vote of each house is not needed to expel a member of Congress.

The onus would not be on the Republicans to expel as you think.

The onus would be on the roughly 16% of the Democrats that would need to vote to reinstate the seditious Republicans who aided in the 1/6/2021 insurrection.

The 16% figure assumes roughly 50/50 Democrat to Republican percentage ratio in each House.


u/Bonersaucey Jan 14 '22

They did it on house of cards and it turned out fine


u/jukeboxhero10 Jan 14 '22

Biden doesn't even know what time of day it is. The dude poops himself during meetings with the Vatican.


u/sedition666 Jan 14 '22

What are you harking on about


u/jukeboxhero10 Jan 15 '22

He legit pooped his pants


u/sedition666 Jan 15 '22

Is this the level of media outlet you are reading? You need to broaden your horizons mate.