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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry


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u/najing_ftw Jan 14 '22

That surprises me, but it shouldn’t


u/omgburritos Jan 14 '22

If Biden had more balls, he would've used her corruption as leverage to pass the budget reconciliation package


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

If Biden had more balls, he would have had Congress remove the Republican seditionists who aided in the Jan 6th insurrection. The remaining Republicans would have a really hard time getting the 2/3 majority needed to reinstate their seditionist brethren.

The problem is that although I know of several Republican seditionists in the House, I'm not so sure about any in the Senate. And the Senate is where it counts.

If there were enough Republicans removed from both the House and Senate, there would have been a simple Democrat majority reached without Sinema and Manchin on the infrastructure bill.

There is enough probable cause to suspend / censure / prevent from voting the Republicans who were involved in the Jan 6 sedition pending a thorough DoJ investigation.

If you don't get a majority initially, you remove Republicans and lower the denominator value.

This would have been the Republican hardball play were the roles reversed.

I don't understand why Democrats always choose the high road. I suppose this could cause Civil War but fuck it, Democrats need to play hardball at or beyond the level played by the Republicans. The way they're going, they'll lose the majority in the legislature in 2022.

The hardball denominator logic also applies to Republicans packing the Supreme Court. Don't like it, pass legislation increasing the number of justices and have Biden "pack" the Supreme Court with his picks. That would be possible with a simple majority on both the House and Senate side.


u/scrufdawg Jan 14 '22

he would have had Congress remove the Republican seditionists who aided in the Jan 6th insurrection

Doesn't work that way. This is a democracy still, like it or not.


u/iAmTheHYPE- Jan 14 '22

Does work that way. See: 14th Amendment


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

14th Amendment, Section 3

No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Seems pretty clear to me bud.

The seditionists serving currently in the House and Senate need to be stripped of their office.

It would be up to the remaining Republicans to go begging to the Democrats to get a 2/3 majority to reinstate.

The Democrats would tell them to go pound sand.

Worst case scenario, the remaining Republicans would walk out and refuse to participate in any new legislative initiatives.

Here's the recourse for that


The Senate’s new rule provided that less than a quorum could authorize expenses for the sergeant at arms to bring absent members back to the chamber. The office of sergeant at arms had recently been created specifically for chasing down absent senators and reluctant witnesses needed for the conduct of Senate business. Those senators who had prematurely left town without a sufficient excuse would be required to pay whatever expenses the sergeant at arms incurred in returning them.

So right off the bat, in a preemptive hardball move, Democrats should be empowering the office of sergeant at arms with an increased budget and more manpower.

Also, if Democrats really want to play hardball, preemptively empower the sergeant at arms to install geo-tracking ankle bracelets on all representatives in case any decide to go AWOL.

This is what Democrats should be doing ATM.


u/a_Tick Jan 14 '22

if Democrats really want to play hardball

Sadly, they seem to be unwilling to play ball at all.


u/scrufdawg Jan 15 '22

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

If the two impeachments have taught us anything, it's that an attempt at this would be political suicide. Not a single R would vote for this. Not a single one. And this would die in the House, and give R's ammunition for decades.


u/the_fly_guy_says_hi Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

It’s 2/3 vote of each House to “remove such disability”

The “disability” is that seditious member(s) are barred from holding office.

This means that a 2/3 vote of each House would be needed to re-instate the seditious representative.

A 2/3 vote of each house is not needed to expel a member of Congress.

The onus would not be on the Republicans to expel as you think.

The onus would be on the roughly 16% of the Democrats that would need to vote to reinstate the seditious Republicans who aided in the 1/6/2021 insurrection.

The 16% figure assumes roughly 50/50 Democrat to Republican percentage ratio in each House.


u/Bonersaucey Jan 14 '22

They did it on house of cards and it turned out fine