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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '22

Insulin should have a co-pay of about $2. Or less.

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u/Colorado1996 Jan 14 '22

I think there’s a strong case that insulin should be free. But ya I’ll take $2 or less

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u/Reutermo Jan 14 '22

It is free by law here in Sweden. Have been since the 60s.

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u/SnooPineapples494 Jan 14 '22 Helpful

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u/biggestbroever Jan 14 '22

If this is communist california, sign me up

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u/cool---coolcoolcool Jan 15 '22

We can also buy alcohol of all types from almost every store on any day. Fuck you utah, zion you’re cool

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u/fawks_harper78 Jan 15 '22

Canyonlands and Moab is pretty dope. Navajo country, Bears Ears. There is a lot to love in Utah. There just happens to have backwards assholes in lots of places. Like most places.

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u/kkeut Jan 15 '22

so, the good parts of Utah are the parts that are essentially uninhabited and under federal or indigenous control. this definitely jibes with what my ex-mormom friends say and what I observed during my visits

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u/fawks_harper78 Jan 15 '22

I mean, I would willingly go back to all of those parts that I have experienced many times over. It is gorgeous. When I have gone to reservations, the people have been super warm and inviting. So, yeah, you can sum it up that way!

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u/SeriouslyUnknown Jan 15 '22

Can confirm, just moved from Utah to California

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u/johnhills711 Jan 15 '22

assholes? Like mormons?

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u/OLightning Jan 15 '22

I used to take a prescription drug that could be treated without drugs until the greedy Pharma made the procedure unavailable. Then I had to buy their product at a reasonable $12 but went up to $123. When I asked why my doctor said sorry but you have to get a special elite insurance. Big Pharma will continue this as long as Congressmen continue to get paid to allow laws to protect greedy Pharma sad to say. This is the world we live in. The rich take advantage of the commoners.

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u/fawks_harper78 Jan 15 '22

I didn’t ask them if they were LDS.

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u/--0IIIIIII0-- Jan 15 '22

And Texas. Totally loves that freedom, but can't buy liquor on Sundays. Lol. Packaged liquors anyway.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

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u/phurt77 Jan 15 '22

Stock up? You mean have bottles of alcohol in my house and not drink them?

How do you do that?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

All I have to text about it is to drink within reason and moderation unless you're on a deathwish as has happened to a few of my dead friends...

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u/--0IIIIIII0-- Jan 15 '22

Not really the point, you are correct.

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u/Egechem Jan 15 '22

Damn communist Safeway selling alcohols on a Sunday.

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u/Raveynfyre Jan 15 '22

Just wish CoL wasn't so high out there. It's most comparable to my state weather wise, but isn't governed by an idiot Trumpanzee. I've lovingly nicknamed him Gov. DeathSentence due to his (mis)handling of this virus response, and it applies once again due to complete and total lack of testing sites funded by the state, etc.

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u/ralphy1010 Jan 15 '22

The bodega never closes in NYC.

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u/Mister_Brevity Jan 15 '22

Why does Utah have so many arbys. Haven’t been in years but I remember exactly two things. Floating down the river in Zion with fish biting the hair on my legs, and eleventy billion arbys.

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u/blade_torlock Jan 15 '22

Except full strength Everclear.

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u/asquinas Jan 15 '22

You're half baked.

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u/MuleMagnifico Jan 15 '22

wait that's not a thing everywhere?

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u/Bullen-Noxen Jan 15 '22

Utah is egotistical in their approach.

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u/GunnerGurl Jan 15 '22

Well sure I mean, we can’t have drunk people falling off all our redrock cliffs, that’s not what makes them red! /s

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u/Saith_Cassus Jan 15 '22

No, it’s far worse…. socialism!!!

I heard from Tucker that this can only mean the death of America if we don’t charge people a fee for being born with a genetic condition that can’t be cured and can only be treated daily.

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u/ViniVidiOkchi Jan 15 '22

Remember when gay marriage was going to destroy the fabric of American society. And now nobody gives a shit.

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u/Bigleftbowski Jan 15 '22

They need to find the next thing that will destroy America, otherwise, how else will they keep their audience in a constant state of paranoid frenzy?

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u/4morian5 Jan 15 '22

I'm in a pretty constant paranoid frenzy from things that are PROVABLY destroying lives. If you really want to scare people, you don't need imaginary boogeymen. Reality is terrifying enough all on its own.

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u/myrddyna Jan 15 '22

There's people that give a shit, blame all their woes on it, and are actively trying to bring cases before our conservative SCOTUS to have that ruling reversed.

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u/GETitOFFmeNOW Jan 15 '22

Oh, of course. "Destroying the fabric of American society" actually means "pisses me off that these people are allowed to exist."

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u/PandaCatGunner Jan 15 '22

Its thier personal fabric, as in thier own realm.

Its always about one selfish endeavor or another

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u/Foux-Du-Fafa Jan 15 '22

And now nobody gives shit.

laughs in alabama

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u/Sir_Ampersand Jan 15 '22

Have you seen drug prices? What do you think caused that? Obviously the gays with their aids, ffs

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u/A_wild_so-and-so Jan 15 '22

Or rock n roll, or Dungeons & Dragons, or Mortal Kombat, or rap music, or interracial marriage, or ... or...

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u/Regendorf Jan 15 '22

What do you mean, a lot happened

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u/-ShagginTurtles- Jan 15 '22

Now they pretend like that wasn't them fighting against that. Same thing like drinking booze, smoking dope or giving women rights. When the hindsight makes you always look shitty, and the economy still sucks under right wing governments just as much as liberal ones (bc they basically have the exact same policies), maybe you're just on the shitty side y'know

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u/A1sauc3d Jan 15 '22

Right! Blows my mind. Or how they said “global warming isn’t really happening”, then they said “okay it’s happening but it’s not that bad so we shouldn’t worry” next, now all they got is “okay it’s bad, but it wasn’t humans fault!” How can you see your side continually changing their stance and not think it’s a little suspicious.

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u/seekingbeta Jan 15 '22

Allowing the gays to marry and legalizing marijuana have literally destroyed our society. God is looking down on Adam and Steve hitting each other's bongs and shaking his fists in fury.

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u/sf_frankie Jan 15 '22

Not just daily. I’ve got a tube of the shit stabbed into my body 24/7 for the rest of my life! And I have to pay extra for that feature!

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u/CalamityJane0215 Jan 15 '22

How is that relevant?

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u/TuckBigFech Jan 15 '22

If you eat yourself into a disease then pay for the treatment lol.

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u/Saith_Cassus Jan 15 '22

“Hold on, which sort of diabetic are you? It’s very important to determining whether or not you’re going to go into crushing medical debt that you can never escape from! Hold on, we’ve got another patient.

What’s that? You had a workplace accident and lost your finger? Well, that’s on you, buddy. Yeah— shouldn’t have worked for a place that was violating OSHA. So you’re fully responsible for that one. Personal accountability and whatnot. Anyway, sue them and see how it goes, only way you’ll get paid. Oh, mandatory arbitration clause? With a judge of their choice? Oof. Real tough. Anyway, here’s the bill you will be 100% responsible for.”

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u/Mazon_Del Jan 15 '22

What if the reason you ate yourself into a disease is that you suffered an unbalanced gut biome that resulted in incorrect hunger messages being sent constantly to your brain insisting that you needed to eat more?

The gut bacteria in your system has an honestly frightening amount of control over your urges from how much to eat and even WHAT you feel in the mood to eat. The bacteria in question doesn't particularly care about you, it cares about itself. All things being normal, the various colonies balance out and all is well, but anything from stress, to medicine, to even an imbalanced diet can result in long term gut biome instabilities.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Try thinking about it for longer than 30 seconds

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u/Imahotpotatorightnow Jan 15 '22

I blew air out my nose. Thank you

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Yeah, what's a person's incentive to get better if there's no penalty for having a painful life-shortening genetic disease? They need to be kept poor so they can uh... be um... motivated!

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u/reverendjesus Jan 15 '22

“Fuck Tucker; Tucker sucks. And fuck Tucker’s friend, Kyle!”

-George Carlin, the all-knowing (he said it in 2001)

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u/jardex22 Jan 15 '22

Multiple times daily.

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u/AdmiralPoopbutt Jan 15 '22

Diabetes has a genetic predisposition. Behavior / diet has a lot to do with it too.

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u/gbuub Jan 14 '22

In communist California, diabetes have you

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u/Princess_Eevee9 Jan 15 '22

Have us what? =0

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u/biggestbroever Jan 15 '22

"Come here, bitch. Let's see how you like it living without a leg"

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u/BeautifulType Jan 15 '22

Back the fuck off Dennis, this is my rum ham

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u/thinkinwrinkle Jan 15 '22

Ahh the ol’ Californian reversal

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

If ever there was a state financially and socially ready to leave the union, it’s us. If it could be done without closing borders or too big a disruption to transport and trade, i wonder what that would look like with a few decades of preparation.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

With our ~54 electoral votes gone, the US would never elect another left president. It'd be Jesusland for real

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

If CA ever tried to leave the country many other states would follow suit.

I honestly wouldn't hate America splintering into several different countries.

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u/trahoots Jan 15 '22

I bet the New England states would stick together and that’d be a pretty cool place to live.

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

I'd imagine New England+

New England, New York, New Jersey merged together.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

Absolutely there are other states just as liberal as California, but we're so large we have more votes than even the next two combined (NY (28) + PA or IL (19), if I'm reading correctly).

California leaving would be the dam bursting.

Of course that's partly because the electoral college is loco any way you slice it.

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u/JT99-FirstBallot Jan 15 '22

I would immediately move from the south east States, AKA SECountry.

It would be the worst country immediately.

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u/Andromansis Jan 15 '22

You mean the states that would be financially reliant on the northern states because they haven't been revenue positive in the previous 100 years?

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u/TucuReborn Jan 15 '22

This is basically what ended up happening to the Roman Empire. They expanded too far, social and political issues arose, and eventually were brought down by only themselves and fragmented into many smaller nations. The USA is on a similar path. We're trying to be the world peacekeeper and failing, we are rife with so many social and political issues it's staggering, and we are more divided than anyone alive can remember. We're the late stage Roman Empire, and we probably will crumble soon unless sweeping, major changes occur. And even then, those changes even if good may speed it up or just postpone it for a few decades.

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u/Dultsboi Jan 15 '22

The Balkanization of America is more likely than most people hope. As an outsider, America feels like a crumbling empire waiting for the one spark to set the whole thing up in flames

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u/quietguy_6565 Jan 15 '22

Neither would china and Russia. Balkanization would be bad....for everything and everyone

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u/allanb49 Jan 15 '22

The former U.S.A

The former U.S.S.R

It's plausible

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u/godisanelectricolive Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Use Canada as the connector. Most blue states are either connected to another blue state or to Canada. If Colorado can be persuaded to join then New Mexico and Colorado would also be connected to Greater Canada. So if they all join Canada then the coastal and blue Midwestern states can stay together (Hawaii can also join if they want) and still be basically tied with China in terms of GDP.

Canada's economy is close to that of Texas so that'd be a consolation for losing the wealthiest red state. Canada also has a lot of land and untapped natural resources.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

That's what the Jesusland map is. Basically the west coast, New England, north Midwest, and Hawaii join "The United States of Canada", and the rest of the states become Jesusland.

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u/CJ_Guns Jan 15 '22

NY here. Grew up in VT with the secession push. Ready to dip as a package deal.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

I agree that it wouldn't be a better situation for anyone overall, but I do think it's a case of "you need us (California) more than we need you"

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

What country are you from?

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u/OohYeahOrADragon Jan 15 '22

Yeah but think about citizenship shit. If you make a new country, does its current population get papers saying they're automatic citizens of seceded California? What about people who were born there but have since moved? What about green card/naturalized Americans, do they need to go through another immigrant process to get citizenship in New California?

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u/wakenbacons Jan 15 '22

And they would liberate you and your resources IMMEDIATELY.

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u/Hotshot2k4 Jan 15 '22

The last time some states were serious about leaving the union, it didn't end well though.

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u/erc80 Jan 15 '22

Yeah even in the capacity that they’re talking about it; it would still be a territory (which would still be wild). “Union let’s it’s best earner go independent”; is a headline that’s never going to happen.

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u/Haughty_n_Disdainful Jan 15 '22

Frankly, my dear…

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u/SaltLakeCitySlicker Jan 15 '22

Think of all the fashionable neckties that southern trees got to wear

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u/Leto_ll Jan 15 '22

And we STILL pick on South Carolina for trying. Fort Jackson is right there just in case....

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

But practically speaking, communities appreciate a significant economic boon from local military bases. Im not saying everyone likes having soldiers off duty on base leave all the time, just that the people who make money from them certainly do

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

Yeah im not advocating for it, to be clear. I am interested in what alternate reality Republic of California would look like

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u/jwmosher Jan 15 '22

I was under the impression that a good amount of infrastructure was based off power generation and water from the Colorado river?

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u/ShadowSwipe Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

You are correct, not that that alone would matter because the entire idea is ridiculous; people often have only a very shallow understanding of the topics they speak on around Reddit and that is on full display here.

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

Obviously it’s complicated, and shaking a stick at any concept that is doesnt make someone any wiser. It’s clearly a matter of curiosity and nowhere did I advocate for it, but i did allow it would be fun to imagine what “decades of preparation” could be seen to make possible.

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

Firstly i didnt say we should, i say we are probably most able to, and secondly i said “with decades if preparation”, and that certainly includes a massive divestment from traditional power sources. Which Californian is already doing, i mean drive anywhere and youll pass substantial solar and wind farms - this is going to be expanded and will probably only improve over time in efficiency and mainly storage, and possibly huge gains will be seen in tidal power as well. But even ignoring my last point, states already trade power, Californian could easily trade for energy so long as it was considered in the imaginary exodus, and do doubt it would be if it had to be.

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u/allharveybman Jan 15 '22

Can Massachusetts come to?

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u/Pack_Your_Trash Jan 15 '22

California has two major trade ports for international imports. The trade balance between Calofornian and the rest of the US is heavily in favor of California. I guess the price of corn might go up... but who gives a shit?

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u/thegroucho Jan 15 '22

I think you can pull it off and good luck if you do (non sarcastically).

But, equally, see Brexit.

In fact, fuck Brexit, sideways, with a cactus (the ones I see only in American movies in a desert) set on fire, wrapped in barb wire, garnished with broken glass and nettle.

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u/myrddyna Jan 15 '22

It's illegal. Your government would be imprisoned, and marital law would be implemented.

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u/SweatyToothed Jan 15 '22

But I don't want to get married again... /s

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

Thank you redditor #10; we’re exercising imagination, not writing a declaration for succession. There will be no brexit, no succession, no civil war, no political takeover… but we could manage. Feel free to find more informative replies regarding this.

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u/nocturnal111 Jan 15 '22

CA has a ton of problems and has the most debt way more than any other state in the USA. Why don't you fix your homeless population and debt first?

"California, the most populous state, has the largest amount of total debt, at $507 billion. Conversely, Wyoming has both the lowest amount of total and per capita debt, at about $2 billion or $3,437 per person."

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u/GrafZeppelin127 Jan 15 '22

Population and debt go hand in hand, but it’s much more relevant to mention that California is currently running a budget surplus. Per capita debt, which you neglected to mention, is 14th in the Union.

Not advocating California leaving the union by any means, that’s just deranged, but there are leeches of federal funds and those that contribute more than they receive, and California is the latter, not the former. It gets $.99 for every dollar it sends, whereas the average state gets back $1.22 for every dollar it sends. This puts it at 42nd in per capita federal expenditures.

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u/nocturnal111 Jan 15 '22

That's fine if reddit wants to believe California's some incredible Utopia. I lived in California for over 5 years it's not as great as people think it is. I lived in many states all across the country California is probably one of the most problematic States I lived in between their tax rate how horrific traffic is the amount of homeless people and crime. But you do you reddit, feel free to downvote it's not the Utopia you think it is.

Also as for Budget surplus that's probably a little misleading cuz it's probably mostly Hollywood and silicon valley paying taxes that pay California. I could be wrong but that's just my guess. Maybe the state of California does make $75 billion a year and would be fine if all those massive companies left when they secede from the US.

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u/GrafZeppelin127 Jan 15 '22

No one is seriously suggesting California has no problems. It’s massive, it’s bound to have problems if for no other reason than sheer weight of numbers.

I’ve lived in California all my life. Do we have problems? Absolutely. NIMBYs, high housing demand driving up prices, the homelessness that those high prices engender, etcetera. But I’d take those problems any day over the problems one would face in many other states.

If we had ranked choice voting here like Maine and Alaska, then we’d really be on the cutting edge as far as the individual states go. As it stands, though, California is definitely ahead of the curve in a huge variety of ways.

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u/aquoad Jan 15 '22

But what about the big effort going on to make people think california is terrifying and crime ridden!

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u/Bullen-Noxen Jan 15 '22

Sign the whole country up. Anyone who doesn’t like it can dig a hole in the ground & lie in it, covered with the dirt removed from the hole.

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u/biggestbroever Jan 15 '22

If this pandemic has taught me anything, it's that people are willing to die so that other people can't have nice things

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u/Bullen-Noxen Jan 15 '22

That’s why I typed what I did.

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u/WORSE_THAN_HORSES Jan 15 '22

I wonder how many right wing people in California would refuse to take the free insulin because iTs CoMmUNism.

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u/biggestbroever Jan 15 '22

Lol they'll happily accept free shit from the government

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u/MBThree Jan 14 '22

Your link is from 2020, is there any recent developments on this? Really hoping this plan moves forward

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u/GETitOFFmeNOW Jan 15 '22

The sheer relief of human suffering and anxiety is going to make the entire country 17.6% lighter. Bless Newsome's handsome little head.

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u/FreshUnderstanding5 Jan 15 '22

Your aunt is a smart lady

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u/MBThree Jan 15 '22

Damn skippy

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u/SnooPineapples494 Jan 14 '22

Seeing how 2020 was 14 months ago, I'm sure you can google this all by yourself.

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u/kevlarbaboon Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Usually I'm with you on people refusing to Google shit but you literally posted a link about something people assume you're interested in. They weren't trying to use you because they're too "lazy" too Google, it was real engagement.

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u/Lyad Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Ya know, some of us choose to socialize while we get information, like the Dutch “chat checkout.”

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u/SoundOfTomorrow Jan 15 '22

You posted it, I figured you found something new.

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u/DavidG993 Jan 14 '22

God damn it I love living in this state

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u/BeachSandMan Jan 15 '22

Me too. In my experience, the people who hate on California always seem to be dialing in from some Midwest or Southern shithole

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u/DavidG993 Jan 15 '22

Oh, you mean those states that are being propped up by the tax money from CA?

Yeah, those states are shitty and full of dead company towns

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u/GETitOFFmeNOW Jan 15 '22

I live in the Midwest and the only thing I hate about California is how I can't afford to buy a house there.

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u/Hendrixsrv3527 Jan 15 '22

You can like California and acknowledge there’s some major issues going on with the state

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u/DavidG993 Jan 15 '22

I do. No state is perfect, but policies here get adopted by other states all the time so I'm gonna keep loving this place

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u/Hendrixsrv3527 Jan 15 '22

That’s fine. There’s a reason people are leaving the state. California just lost a seat so many people have left the state. Probably nothing

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u/star0forion Jan 15 '22

Or those Californians who live in State of Jefferson territory. California is great.

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u/noptamoius Jan 15 '22

That’s amazing. Hope it works out and California can export to other states too.

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u/Jfk_headshot Jan 15 '22

Sucks that due property taxes and other things the only people who can afford to live there without cramming 8 people in a studio apartment are the rich and I guess homeless.

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u/aarondoyle Jan 15 '22

California straddles a very fine line to being its own country. I think it would be, but that's just me and I'm happy to disagree politely.

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u/ron_leflore Jan 14 '22

The problem is that most people don't use plain insulin anymore. They want the fast acting or the long lasting or a combination of the two.

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u/ron_leflore Jan 15 '22

My point was that the fast acting and the basal insulins are two different types of insulin. California is probably going to produce the plain insulin, which is a fast acting insulin.

If you are worried about the price, use https://www.insulinaffordability.com/ it will be $35/month for whatever insulin you need.

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u/domuseid Jan 15 '22

That doesn't really seem like much of a problem

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u/divDevGuy Jan 15 '22

IKR! Insulin is insulin. Just like asthma inhalers and antidepressants. /s

You apparently are not a diabetic if you think having the right type of insulin isn't much of a problem.

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u/chubbysumo Jan 15 '22

the issue is that they aren't making "good" insulin, I think, they are making basic insulin, which can be cheaply made and bought. what people need are the more advanced ones, that help regulate blood sugar over time, so you don't have to check as often.

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u/Maimster Jan 15 '22

I feel like a few more finger sticks is an okay alternative to dying without a life saving medicine.

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u/chubbysumo Jan 15 '22

yes, but it also means that people that aren't used to that kind of monitoring and food monitoring end up having issues, because they started with novalog/humalog or extrel versions that they don't have to do that at all. this has killed people already because doctors and nurses already don't explain how along with more sticks during the day, you need to do food glucose counting.

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u/Maimster Jan 15 '22

If you have access to that stuff you’ll still have access. This is for people who can’t afford medication, or don’t want to have to pay for a name brand that does relatively the same thing. It really is a medical grade, synthetic insulin not unlike what other countries use, or even some of the name brands in circulation now. Also, basic information is available for everybody. A sliding scale based on glucose intake during meals is quite easy to maintain and explain for new patients.

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u/sublimeload420 Jan 15 '22

Won't matter if the seal level rises. Mortgage securities backed by ocean front property would become worthless, and destabilize the derivatives market. Globally, the world economy would collapse.

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u/Bigleftbowski Jan 15 '22

That should be with a lot more drugs.

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u/obidie Jan 15 '22

In that case, they should also widen the highways from the east. There's gonna be a lot more tourists visiting.

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u/aboycandream Jan 15 '22

I was told that California was a socialist hellscape

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