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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/Colorado1996 Jan 14 '22

I think there’s a strong case that insulin should be free. But ya I’ll take $2 or less

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u/Reutermo Jan 14 '22

It is free by law here in Sweden. Have been since the 60s.

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u/IronicBread Jan 14 '22

But muh communism

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u/013ander Jan 14 '22

You name another developed country without socialized medicine off the top of your head, and I’ll concede your point.

But you really should look up “economies of scale” to understand why the fact that smaller countries can do things like this actually makes it much more embarrassing that an enormous and wealthier country can’t. There is a reason mom-and-pop stores can’t compete with huge corporations.

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u/Trichocereusaur Jan 15 '22

There’s no price gauging tho so yes you may pay for prescriptions but you are paying the bottom dollar price for everything every damn time

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u/misogoop Jan 15 '22

Shit if my insurance covered 100% of my medical expenses and I had to pay for prescriptions, that’s still way better than the bullshit we have here lol what are you even talking about

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u/cat_prophecy Jan 15 '22

Insurance covers 0% of my medical costs while giving me the pleasure of paying thousands of dollars a year for it. And I pay for my own prescriptions.

Most people need to spend additional thousands before insurance covers anything.

Health insurance is a scam. The only people who don't thinks so are privileged, profiting from it, or willfully stupid.

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u/Professional-Basis33 Jan 15 '22

In case you haven’t noticed, US hospitals have issues with understaffing, eve before the Omicron surge.

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u/lepenguinman Jan 15 '22

In the UK our national health service covers prescription drugs for those with certain medical conditions. Pretty sure its the same for most of western Europe. Despite our health service being severely weakened by neoliberal policies over the last few years, it's still very well regarded and a point of national pride. I think you'd find it difficult to point to a Western European country that doesn't have an effective national health service.

Stop pointing to us to try and justify the USA's inhumane healthcare system.

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u/Lascivulen Jan 14 '22

Lmao and this is relevant because?

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u/Jackplox Jan 14 '22

it’s not and never has been

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u/MinniMemes Jan 14 '22

And this is relevant, becaussseeeee??

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u/misogoop Jan 15 '22

So you don’t know, do you?

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u/Dregoran Jan 15 '22

So you don't have an answer and are just defaulting to the "if you can't figure it out it's not worth my time" option. In reality you have no idea why it's relevant but are in too deep and can't admit it now.

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u/Baconator-Junior Jan 14 '22

So pick a State, set it opposite Sweden, and compare like that.

For most States, it actually makes it look far, far worse for the US.

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u/Baconator-Junior Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

Let's avoid the disingenuous arguments and simply agree that, by the numbers, if you compare any individual State to Sweden, the simple fact is that Sweden's policies seem to work to some degree.

Now, whether you want to call their policies communist or not is up to you. Speaking in terms of $ spent and $ produced, Sweden is incontrovertibly doing something right.

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u/Baconator-Junior Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-the-white-house/our-government/

It is entirely appropriate to compare an individual State to an "entire country"; the way power is disbursed in the US makes the comparison adequate, and the population/area/GDP of individual States is easily comparable to that of individual countries.

In other words; if it is appropriate to compare one State to another, then it should be appropriate to compare individual States to countries of similar size.

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u/Arcudi Jan 14 '22 edited Jan 14 '22

US 2020 GDP (Millions): 20,893,746.00

SWE 2020 GDP (Millions): 541,220.06

US GDP = 38.6x more than Sweden

US Pop. = 31.7x more than Sweden

What was your point again?

We’re you implying we can’t pay for it in the US?

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u/Arcudi Jan 14 '22

But your argument was they they have fewer people...so are you saying they can afford it because they have fewer people? Nowhere in your original statement of what the population is, did you mention the national debt. The US has more money per capita than Sweden has. So, by using the transitive property, we should also be able to afford it. The numbers are relative.

Now, the reason we can't afford it is a completely different thing, which has nothing to do with population, but how we're spending our money. Your argument becomes invalid, because then it has zero to do with population.

We can easily afford giving people free insulin, we just need to stop spending ~$2 billion per day on military funding.

Again, zero to do with population counts.

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u/Arcudi Jan 15 '22

My wife is from Finland and my sister-in-law is a doctor in Finland, I know about socialized medicine well enough to know that it works.

Your argument was initially pointing out the disparity in the population with no mention of what that actually means, which is what my initial comment was responding to—we make more money per capita than Sweden does.

You can't cite population as an argument for why something would work or not.

How much money, debt, and how they spend their money is a large part of it. You say we're in debt, and our spending is why. Cutting the budget on spending is one way to deal with spending too much. If you spend less, you get to save/redistribute more. However, we tend to cut the budget on education, and unfortunately, it shows.