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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

With our ~54 electoral votes gone, the US would never elect another left president. It'd be Jesusland for real

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

If CA ever tried to leave the country many other states would follow suit.

I honestly wouldn't hate America splintering into several different countries.

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u/trahoots Jan 15 '22

I bet the New England states would stick together and that’d be a pretty cool place to live.

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

I'd imagine New England+

New England, New York, New Jersey merged together.

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u/RiversKiski Jan 15 '22

It'd be the OG one three. PA's a powerhouse, Maryland for the ports, and Virginia for Norfolk and that sweet, sweet meth coal production.

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u/wakenbacons Jan 15 '22

Wow I’m from New England and TIL New York isn’t part of it!

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

Absolutely there are other states just as liberal as California, but we're so large we have more votes than even the next two combined (NY (28) + PA or IL (19), if I'm reading correctly).

California leaving would be the dam bursting.

Of course that's partly because the electoral college is loco any way you slice it.

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u/JT99-FirstBallot Jan 15 '22

I would immediately move from the south east States, AKA SECountry.

It would be the worst country immediately.

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u/Andromansis Jan 15 '22

You mean the states that would be financially reliant on the northern states because they haven't been revenue positive in the previous 100 years?

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u/CamJongUn Jan 15 '22

Yeah they go on about not needing the blue states but other than Texas most republican states don’t make any money, which makes it even better when the vote against aid for people then beg for it when they need it because they’re poor

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

"State's rights!", not "state's responsibilities"

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

I oh lived in one of them. MO is a train wreck and it’s conservative population is proud of being poor, under educated, over worked, and “Christian”. When i lived there (not super long ago) whole communites depended on plants and call centers that paid $8-11/hr. When i lost a good job there thanks to corporate restructuring after the bubble burst, i found the best paying job i could - a manual job in a filthy plant that turned the inside of your car yellow, eve parked down the street, just from what came through the cabin filter. It paid 10/hr and had some shitty incentive pay, but i worked 9-18 hours a day for 2 years just to cover housing, healthcare, transportation, and actually have money to both save and spend. Most buddies of mine either worked a straight 40 for between 8 and 12 and hour, or didnt work much and relied on odd jobs and selling weed to get buy. There’s churches across from churches, and extremely obvious extremes in wealth between all the rural ranchers and pretty much everyone else who wasnt a doctor or in reality. And my god they hated obama, and generally made no pretense about why.

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u/aboycandream Jan 15 '22

Texas is also a welfare state, they take more in revenue than they bring in

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Wow chill out, it’s not you support welfare. If you do then it’s just welfare on a larger scale, which you support? If you support welfare then you support propping up southern states and allowing them to become reliant on handouts instead of making their own money. Just like you support people doing the same.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jan 15 '22

I'm sure you're referring to strong peer reviewed studies establishing a trend for this, could I see em? Very strong words if this is just a personal opinion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I’m just using what the guy above me says to start my reasoning and taking it from there.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jan 15 '22

Yes and there's plenty of hard evidence that red states tend to take more from the national budget than they contribute, even as they vote against disaster relief measures for other states. I would like to see the evidence that social support structures lead to forming worse habits around work and people remaining destitute with assistance longer than they would without.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Look at the states that do not produce a surplus not changing anything because they’re allowed to fuck up and the successful people make up for it

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u/Zaper_ Jan 15 '22

I mean you're right but in return the southern states have all of the industry energy production and food...

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u/madmoomix Jan 15 '22

I was curious, so I ran the numbers on this. (Well, the food part anyway! I live in a liberal state that is also a huge food producer, and I knew California was the largest, so I wondered what the actual numbers are.)

Using this source, I came up with Democratic-voting states producing 41.41% of the food and Republican-voting states producing 58.59% of the food. So, definitely a difference, but not as large of one as you might expect. I wouldn't be surprised if the difference in energy production is quite slanted, though.

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u/Zaper_ Jan 15 '22

Pure numbers don't tell the whole story look at what is actually grown in California versus the red states.

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u/pmolmstr Jan 15 '22

What’s the math on food consumption?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

You support welfare and socialism that’s the result. Those states (or people) become reliant on the handouts instead of using them as a crutch to become self sustaining.

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u/Andromansis Jan 15 '22

Ironically its the states with robust social welfare programs that are self sustaining.

Its almost like the entirety of everything that has been said by the Republicans since Nixon has been nothing but falsehoods and lies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I’m saying that those states are on a welfare program from the other states and have become reliant on it with no need to change their behavior because welfare supports them.

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u/peoplejustwannalove Jan 15 '22

Okay, but many of those states believe in an ideology that is anti socialist. That’s the irony. The blue states, which are a net gain on the US’ finance’s, believe in free handouts for the disadvantaged, or at least strong social programs on some level, and have the money to do so, and they provide money to the federal government, or at-least don’t need their money.

The red states don’t believe in any much of any handouts, favoring instead to preach about personal responsibility and the like, and yet, they lack the ability to run their own state without going into the red.

Given, wether or not a state is “profitable” is pointless, as they aren’t buisnesses, but generally it is more economically healthy to not be losing money.

However given that it seems like the US federal economy runs on black magic, who knows if debt on the state level even matters anymoee

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Well, if you believe in welfare, you believe in supporting them regardless of their beliefs and ability to run their state. If they didn’t receive money to prop them up, they’d be forced to change. But they aren’t because blue states are ok with welfare and social programs, which is exactly what red states are on from the blue states.

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u/KnightsWhoNi Jan 15 '22

Yet their social programs are absolute shit. Almost like it’s not that and might just be corruption and idiocy instead

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I’m saying that those states are on a welfare program from the other states.

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u/TucuReborn Jan 15 '22

This is basically what ended up happening to the Roman Empire. They expanded too far, social and political issues arose, and eventually were brought down by only themselves and fragmented into many smaller nations. The USA is on a similar path. We're trying to be the world peacekeeper and failing, we are rife with so many social and political issues it's staggering, and we are more divided than anyone alive can remember. We're the late stage Roman Empire, and we probably will crumble soon unless sweeping, major changes occur. And even then, those changes even if good may speed it up or just postpone it for a few decades.

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u/Dultsboi Jan 15 '22

The Balkanization of America is more likely than most people hope. As an outsider, America feels like a crumbling empire waiting for the one spark to set the whole thing up in flames

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u/quietguy_6565 Jan 15 '22

Neither would china and Russia. Balkanization would be bad....for everything and everyone

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u/allanb49 Jan 15 '22

The former U.S.A

The former U.S.S.R

It's plausible

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u/godisanelectricolive Jan 15 '22 edited Jan 15 '22

Use Canada as the connector. Most blue states are either connected to another blue state or to Canada. If Colorado can be persuaded to join then New Mexico and Colorado would also be connected to Greater Canada. So if they all join Canada then the coastal and blue Midwestern states can stay together (Hawaii can also join if they want) and still be basically tied with China in terms of GDP.

Canada's economy is close to that of Texas so that'd be a consolation for losing the wealthiest red state. Canada also has a lot of land and untapped natural resources.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

That's what the Jesusland map is. Basically the west coast, New England, north Midwest, and Hawaii join "The United States of Canada", and the rest of the states become Jesusland.

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u/Kittamaru Jan 15 '22

And the name is incredibly ironic, as Jesus would be absolutely APPALLED at how much of that area treats others and tries to weaponize his teachings...

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u/Hubers57 Jan 15 '22

I'm pretty sure north dakota at least would be red. Maybe montana and Minnesota is a coin flip either way but it leans blue

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u/CJ_Guns Jan 15 '22

NY here. Grew up in VT with the secession push. Ready to dip as a package deal.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

I agree that it wouldn't be a better situation for anyone overall, but I do think it's a case of "you need us (California) more than we need you"

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

What country are you from?

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u/OohYeahOrADragon Jan 15 '22

Yeah but think about citizenship shit. If you make a new country, does its current population get papers saying they're automatic citizens of seceded California? What about people who were born there but have since moved? What about green card/naturalized Americans, do they need to go through another immigrant process to get citizenship in New California?

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u/wakenbacons Jan 15 '22

And they would liberate you and your resources IMMEDIATELY.