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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

If ever there was a state financially and socially ready to leave the union, it’s us. If it could be done without closing borders or too big a disruption to transport and trade, i wonder what that would look like with a few decades of preparation.

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

With our ~54 electoral votes gone, the US would never elect another left president. It'd be Jesusland for real

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u/fersure4 Jan 15 '22

If CA ever tried to leave the country many other states would follow suit.

I honestly wouldn't hate America splintering into several different countries.

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u/JT99-FirstBallot Jan 15 '22

I would immediately move from the south east States, AKA SECountry.

It would be the worst country immediately.

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u/Andromansis Jan 15 '22

You mean the states that would be financially reliant on the northern states because they haven't been revenue positive in the previous 100 years?

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u/CamJongUn Jan 15 '22

Yeah they go on about not needing the blue states but other than Texas most republican states don’t make any money, which makes it even better when the vote against aid for people then beg for it when they need it because they’re poor

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u/Splice1138 Jan 15 '22

"State's rights!", not "state's responsibilities"

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

I oh lived in one of them. MO is a train wreck and it’s conservative population is proud of being poor, under educated, over worked, and “Christian”. When i lived there (not super long ago) whole communites depended on plants and call centers that paid $8-11/hr. When i lost a good job there thanks to corporate restructuring after the bubble burst, i found the best paying job i could - a manual job in a filthy plant that turned the inside of your car yellow, eve parked down the street, just from what came through the cabin filter. It paid 10/hr and had some shitty incentive pay, but i worked 9-18 hours a day for 2 years just to cover housing, healthcare, transportation, and actually have money to both save and spend. Most buddies of mine either worked a straight 40 for between 8 and 12 and hour, or didnt work much and relied on odd jobs and selling weed to get buy. There’s churches across from churches, and extremely obvious extremes in wealth between all the rural ranchers and pretty much everyone else who wasnt a doctor or in reality. And my god they hated obama, and generally made no pretense about why.

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u/aboycandream Jan 15 '22

Texas is also a welfare state, they take more in revenue than they bring in

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Wow chill out, it’s not you support welfare. If you do then it’s just welfare on a larger scale, which you support? If you support welfare then you support propping up southern states and allowing them to become reliant on handouts instead of making their own money. Just like you support people doing the same.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jan 15 '22

I'm sure you're referring to strong peer reviewed studies establishing a trend for this, could I see em? Very strong words if this is just a personal opinion.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I’m just using what the guy above me says to start my reasoning and taking it from there.

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u/That_Bar_Guy Jan 15 '22

Yes and there's plenty of hard evidence that red states tend to take more from the national budget than they contribute, even as they vote against disaster relief measures for other states. I would like to see the evidence that social support structures lead to forming worse habits around work and people remaining destitute with assistance longer than they would without.

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u/Zaper_ Jan 15 '22

I mean you're right but in return the southern states have all of the industry energy production and food...

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u/madmoomix Jan 15 '22

I was curious, so I ran the numbers on this. (Well, the food part anyway! I live in a liberal state that is also a huge food producer, and I knew California was the largest, so I wondered what the actual numbers are.)

Using this source, I came up with Democratic-voting states producing 41.41% of the food and Republican-voting states producing 58.59% of the food. So, definitely a difference, but not as large of one as you might expect. I wouldn't be surprised if the difference in energy production is quite slanted, though.

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u/Zaper_ Jan 15 '22

Pure numbers don't tell the whole story look at what is actually grown in California versus the red states.

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u/pmolmstr Jan 15 '22

What’s the math on food consumption?

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

You support welfare and socialism that’s the result. Those states (or people) become reliant on the handouts instead of using them as a crutch to become self sustaining.

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u/Andromansis Jan 15 '22

Ironically its the states with robust social welfare programs that are self sustaining.

Its almost like the entirety of everything that has been said by the Republicans since Nixon has been nothing but falsehoods and lies.

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I’m saying that those states are on a welfare program from the other states and have become reliant on it with no need to change their behavior because welfare supports them.

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u/peoplejustwannalove Jan 15 '22

Okay, but many of those states believe in an ideology that is anti socialist. That’s the irony. The blue states, which are a net gain on the US’ finance’s, believe in free handouts for the disadvantaged, or at least strong social programs on some level, and have the money to do so, and they provide money to the federal government, or at-least don’t need their money.

The red states don’t believe in any much of any handouts, favoring instead to preach about personal responsibility and the like, and yet, they lack the ability to run their own state without going into the red.

Given, wether or not a state is “profitable” is pointless, as they aren’t buisnesses, but generally it is more economically healthy to not be losing money.

However given that it seems like the US federal economy runs on black magic, who knows if debt on the state level even matters anymoee

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

Well, if you believe in welfare, you believe in supporting them regardless of their beliefs and ability to run their state. If they didn’t receive money to prop them up, they’d be forced to change. But they aren’t because blue states are ok with welfare and social programs, which is exactly what red states are on from the blue states.

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u/KnightsWhoNi Jan 15 '22

Yet their social programs are absolute shit. Almost like it’s not that and might just be corruption and idiocy instead

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u/[deleted] Jan 15 '22

I’m saying that those states are on a welfare program from the other states.