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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/GrafZeppelin127 Jan 15 '22

Population and debt go hand in hand, but it’s much more relevant to mention that California is currently running a budget surplus. Per capita debt, which you neglected to mention, is 14th in the Union.

Not advocating California leaving the union by any means, that’s just deranged, but there are leeches of federal funds and those that contribute more than they receive, and California is the latter, not the former. It gets $.99 for every dollar it sends, whereas the average state gets back $1.22 for every dollar it sends. This puts it at 42nd in per capita federal expenditures.

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u/nocturnal111 Jan 15 '22

That's fine if reddit wants to believe California's some incredible Utopia. I lived in California for over 5 years it's not as great as people think it is. I lived in many states all across the country California is probably one of the most problematic States I lived in between their tax rate how horrific traffic is the amount of homeless people and crime. But you do you reddit, feel free to downvote it's not the Utopia you think it is.

Also as for Budget surplus that's probably a little misleading cuz it's probably mostly Hollywood and silicon valley paying taxes that pay California. I could be wrong but that's just my guess. Maybe the state of California does make $75 billion a year and would be fine if all those massive companies left when they secede from the US.

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u/GrafZeppelin127 Jan 15 '22

No one is seriously suggesting California has no problems. It’s massive, it’s bound to have problems if for no other reason than sheer weight of numbers.

I’ve lived in California all my life. Do we have problems? Absolutely. NIMBYs, high housing demand driving up prices, the homelessness that those high prices engender, etcetera. But I’d take those problems any day over the problems one would face in many other states.

If we had ranked choice voting here like Maine and Alaska, then we’d really be on the cutting edge as far as the individual states go. As it stands, though, California is definitely ahead of the curve in a huge variety of ways.

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u/nocturnal111 Jan 15 '22

It's really not I'd rather live in New York or Colorado in California California was probably one of my least favorite states to live in. Being that you lived in one state your entire life you sound a little biased on this. I've traveled across the country and have lived in multiple places California specifically Santa Monica was probably the worst issues I was dealing with on a day-to-day basis. Between heroin needles on my front yard that I was paying $3,000 a month for crime my house getting broken into. Traffic horrific public transportation then after they open the fucking Metro everybody was there all the time it got way too crowded. Id take nyc any day over LA both have high housing issues but the standard and quality of living is way better in New York.

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u/GrafZeppelin127 Jan 15 '22

That’s your subjective experience. Perhaps your part of Santa Monica was just bad? There are certainly parts of New York and Colorado that aren’t pleasant either. You may have lived in more states, but your perspective is just as limited and subjective as mine, compared to the weight of objective data.

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u/nocturnal111 Jan 15 '22

No I lived in multiple places in California too, I can also talk about watching homeless people shit in the street in San Francisco (never had that happen in New York or Denver) living by the plam springs area, but that was actually really shitty area so I'm not going to hold that against California. No living on the beach in Santa Monica is not shitty it was a very nice part of Santa Monica right by the Victorian. It got worse and worse as the years went on my friends tell me now it's a complete and total shit hole filled with garbage cuz they don't even clean it up during Corona and the beach is now disgusting.

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u/milk4all Jan 15 '22

There are probably more Californian residents in total and per capita who have lived or been born elsewhere than any other state. California has a huge population in part because so many people move here.

And homeless, too. Theyre gonna live somewhere and it makes sense youd prefer to travel to a place with a warm climate and better public services. america has a homeless problem and california foots the bill by making a conscious decision to not starve them or criminalize them outright. It’s definitely not like being homeless in california is somehow easy or ideal, just that homeless people choose california for obvious reasons.

Anyway, despite you being just another murican who hates on california, youve made no relevant points. No one is advocating succession, just posing an interesting concept, and suggesting california may be best able to accomplish it. Relevant factors include spending power, man power, social progress, energy production, climate policies, agricultural production, shipping access, and preference for emigration. All of these are imperfect but most of them are adapted which is more than i can say about other states ive lived or worked in. Most of middle america, for example, is a black hole who’s primary contribution is that the population is so poor, corporations might agree to build a plant or center there, and populations are most likely to enlist in armed service. The former would benefit california, the latter not so much. But compare the ability for independence of CA with TX. Not a fair comparison. Ok, how about any state on the East coast? Doubt it. Most northern states simply lack man power and sometimes infrastructure and absolutely market power. Leaves very few contenders. Any ideas or did you just want to shit on a whole state because you paid inflated rent in a place you felt uncomfortable in?