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Shkreli ordered to return $64M, is barred from drug industry

https://apnews.com/article/martin-shkreli-daraprim-profits-fb77aee9ed155f9a74204cfb13fc1130
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u/HHH-mods-are-snakes Jan 15 '22

Argued with a dude in /r/conservative and he hit me with "So you blue states would have no problem if we decided we want to secede then right?". These people are delusional and have no idea how the world works.

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u/Leviathan3333 Jan 15 '22

Problem is, anything like laws and lines are person made and subject to social construction. So when enough delusional people believe it’s possible to do something…well you get people storming Capitol Hill.

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u/Lost4468 Jan 15 '22

Does it matter if they're delusional? I really don't get why Americans are so opposed to states seceding. If a state wants to secede, and there's reasonable requirements for doing so (a super-majority of e.g. 67% and a voter turn-out of 70%), they should absolutely be allowed to.

I don't see how anyone can justify forcing a state to stay regardless of what they want. And at the same time Americans will also nearly always stand up and support secessions in other countries, so long as the population actually wants it. Why doesn't that apply in the US? Again so long as reasonable requirements have been met (you certainly can not do it on a normal 50%+) they absolutely should be able to.

It's unjust to force them to stay, and it pretty much always ends up turning into a conflict which ends up causing problems for everyone.

If they can get the requirements, let them leave. Then watch as they absolutely fail and fall apart. When they inevitably want to come back, force them to be an unrepresented territory until they're stable for a period. Then eventually let them back, and maybe split them up into multiple states to prevent them being stupid again.