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We would like to apologize please Meme/Macro
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u/XtremeHammond
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If you preorder the deluxe version of our game you’ll get a limited edition apology letter and a 2-days earlier patch. For just $79,99!
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Actually, I saw this on xbox the other day and couldn't fucking believe it. If you pre order the deluxe edition of the Gollum game, you get a DLC that makes the Elves speak in Elvish. WHY THE FUCK DONT THEY ALREADY
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u/Apokolypse09 13d ago
I so wanna see an interview with the heads of that company, shits fuckin ridiculous. AAA cost, mediocre at best indie game quality, 20hrs long if you stretch it, its got "horse armor" level dlc and its basically scurrying around as a crackhead. Like who the fuck thought that was the way to go.
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u/richww2 13d ago
Maybe they should consider reskinning the entire game to be a creakhead simulator. You could at least explain the bugs as 'crack effects' and make it a feature. Game wigs out and quits? That's the crack. Don't do drugs kids!
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u/ThrashCW 13d ago
I would 100% play crack head simulator
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u/happypotato93 13d ago
Considering the popularity of Power Washing Simulator and Lawnmower Simulator, I'd bet a lot of people would
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u/Highwon420 13d ago
I didnt get that far before I quit and refunded that piece of crap
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u/Revverb 13d ago
Why in the world did you buy it to start with?
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u/Choice-Bug-9447 13d ago
Big Lotr fan maybe? I know that’s why I was keeping an eye on it
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u/Stunning_Pipe6905 13d ago
(Same assholes complaining in this sub)
Take my money!
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u/Tahj42 Steam ID Here 13d ago
(Same assholes complaining in this sub)
I don't believe this. I think we got a classic case of vocal minority/silent majority here. Seems people are actually ok with the current state of the games industry.
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u/Tasty01 Desktop 13d ago
This used to be the case and for some genres like sports games I do believe you’re still right. But it seems bad games have been performing bad lately (as they should).
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u/creamcolouredDog
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Cheaper to pay the social media manager to post these than to take more time to polish the product
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u/username8054 13d ago
Fuck, these shit-wads can use Chat-GPT at this point.
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u/Stunning_Pipe6905 13d ago •
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Too bad they can’t just use Game-GPT.
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u/StardustThePony 13d ago
I mean with how shitty games have been lately, could have fooled me.
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u/loicwg 13d ago
Funny you should say that, my coder friends are telling people not to learn the code languages anymore, just learn how the code functions, because they are leveraging GPT3 so much that its impacting github's daily usage numbers.
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u/turtleship_2006 13d ago edited 13d ago
just learn how the code functions
Your friend actually knows what he's on about, at least to some extent, and isn't one of those hypeists who thinks ChatGPT is gonna do everything for you.
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u/crowcawer 1700x 》☆《 1070 13d ago
Using quote isn’t going to make your comment correct.
but it can make your comment more right.
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u/loicwg 13d ago
Welcome to the brave new world of prompt engineering.
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u/corsicanguppy 13d ago
brave new world of prompt engineering.
Too late. It's already prompt engineering prompt engineering. As chatGPT3 is being asked to engineer the prompt for chatGPT4, so pricy subscriptions aren't wasted on suboptimal prompts, and that takes skill.
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u/firestorm19 13d ago
It's analogous to a calculator, where it does some of the work in programing for you, but you still need to know what you are feeding it and what you want the result to be right?
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u/Exano 13d ago
Aye indeed. Right now it's a useful tool for implementing things you already can define down (at a very granular level)
I've had it do very impressive "nocode" solutions but it definitely took 2x/3x compared to if I'd done it myself and I had to hold its hand, spot its errors(and solve them thru text.. ie "Is it possible X should be using absolute values"?)
That said I use it every day and it's removed a lot of monotonous tasks. It's horrific at creating mountains of edge cases that you need to be extremely aware of and at that level you're a programmer so whatever
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u/ExpensiveGiraffe 13d ago
It’s never been about learning specific languages.
To learn how the code functions implicitly means knowing the code you’re reading though.
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u/The_Anf Ryzen 7 3700x | 24GB RAM | HD 7970 13d ago
Pretty sure their games would become better if game-gpt will become a thing
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u/Fortune090 i9 9900KF/32GB DDR4/STRIX GTX 1080ti/X34 21:9 13d ago
Just because, I did just that, and the response has me dying:
"Based on events in the gaming industry over the past 5 to 10 years, can you write a hypothetical apology letter to the fans of the hypothetical game you just released because the game launched broken and did not meet expectations?"
[Your Name]
[Your Title/Position]
[Game Development Studio]
[Date]Dear [Game Name] Fans,
We write this letter today with heavy hearts and sincere apologies for the state in which [Game Name] was released. We understand and acknowledge that our highly anticipated game has fallen short of your expectations, and for that, we take full responsibility. We genuinely apologize for the disappointment and frustration this has caused to each and every one of you.
When we embarked on the journey of developing [Game Name], we set out to create a groundbreaking and immersive gaming experience that would captivate and thrill our dedicated fanbase. We poured our hearts and souls into this project, fueled by our shared passion for gaming and the desire to deliver a game that would surpass all expectations.
However, we must admit that we underestimated the complexity of the task at hand. The development process faced numerous unforeseen challenges, technical hurdles, and time constraints that ultimately impacted the final product. As a result, [Game Name] was launched in a state that fell far short of the quality we intended, and for that, we are truly sorry.
We understand your frustration and disappointment. We know that you invested your hard-earned money and valuable time in supporting us, only to be met with a game that did not live up to your expectations. This is not what we wanted for you, and we are committed to making it right.
First and foremost, we want to assure you that we are actively working around the clock to address the various issues plaguing [Game Name]. Our development team is fully committed to rectifying the technical problems, optimizing performance, and enhancing the overall gameplay experience. We are listening to your feedback, scouring through every bug report, and diligently working on updates and patches to deliver a more stable and enjoyable experience.
Furthermore, we want to be transparent with you throughout this process. We will provide regular updates on our progress, addressing the specific issues we are working on and the steps we are taking to improve the game. We value your input, and your feedback will guide us in shaping the future of [Game Name].
We understand that actions speak louder than words, and we want to regain your trust through concrete measures. As a token of our apology, we will be offering a comprehensive compensation package to all players who purchased [Game Name] within the launch period. Details of this package will be shared with you in the coming days, and we hope it will demonstrate our commitment to making amends for the disappointment caused.
Please know that we have learned invaluable lessons from this experience. We are reevaluating our development processes, investing in better quality assurance, and fostering an environment that encourages open communication and collaboration. We are determined to emerge from this setback stronger and more dedicated than ever to delivering exceptional gaming experiences.
Once again, we wholeheartedly apologize for the shortcomings of [Game Name]. We are committed to learning from this experience, to rebuilding your trust, and to delivering the game that you deserve. Your support and dedication have been the driving force behind our journey, and we will not rest until we have earned back your loyalty.
Thank you for your understanding, patience, and ongoing support. We are truly sorry, and we promise to do everything in our power to rectify this situation.
Sincerely,
[Your Name]
[Your Title/Position]
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u/super-loner 13d ago
Try to do that with Bard because ChatGPT database cut off is in September 2021 while Bard doesn't have that limitation.
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u/CorellianDawn 13d ago
Chat GPT:
We write this letter with a heavy heart to express our deepest apologies on behalf of the entire team at Wibble Wobble Studios for the unfortunate release of our game, "The Talking Bananas." We acknowledge and sincerely regret the universal condemnation it has received from the gaming community due to its broken and unfinished state.
First and foremost, we want to extend our most sincere apologies to you, our valued players, for the immense disappointment and frustration caused by the release of "The Talking Bananas" in an unacceptable condition. We understand that you invested your time, money, and trust in us, and we failed to deliver an experience that met your expectations. We deeply regret any negative impact this has had on your gaming experience.
We want to assure you that we take full responsibility for the flaws in "The Talking Bananas." The release of an unfinished and broken game was a result of a series of unfortunate events, including technical challenges, unforeseen development obstacles, and insufficient quality assurance procedures. These circumstances culminated in an experience that fell far below the high standards we hold ourselves to and that you deserve as our players.
We want to assure you that we are committed to making amends for our mistakes and rectifying the situation. We have already initiated a thorough review of our development process to identify the key issues that led to the release of an unfinished product. This introspection will help us improve our internal procedures, ensuring that such incidents are not repeated in the future.
In addition to our internal review, we are actively working on addressing the technical issues and game-breaking bugs that have plagued "The Talking Bananas." Our dedicated development team is working tirelessly to release patches and updates promptly, with the aim of resolving these problems and providing a vastly improved gameplay experience.
We recognize that actions speak louder than words, and we are fully committed to demonstrating our dedication to you, our players. As a token of our apology and appreciation for your patience, we will be offering a comprehensive compensation package for all players. This package will include in-game bonuses, exclusive content, and a future DLC pack, all provided to you free of charge. We hope that this gesture showcases our commitment to rebuilding the trust and loyalty of our player base.
Furthermore, we value your feedback and insights. We believe that involving our community in the game's development is crucial for its success. Therefore, we are establishing multiple channels of communication, such as official forums and social media platforms, where you can share your concerns, suggestions, and ideas to help us shape a better future for "The Talking Bananas." Your feedback will be carefully considered and actively incorporated into our ongoing efforts to improve the game.
Once again, we sincerely apologize to you, the gaming community, and all players who were disappointed by the release of "The Talking Bananas." We are committed to learning from this experience, making the necessary improvements, and regaining your trust.
Thank you for your understanding, patience, and ongoing support. We deeply appreciate your dedication as we work diligently to provide you with the gaming experience you deserve. If you have any further questions, concerns, or suggestions, please do not hesitate to contact our dedicated customer support team at [support@wibblewobblestudios.com](mailto:support@wibblewobblestudios.com).
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u/LiciniusRex 13d ago
Literally indistinguishable from the real ones
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u/jacob2815 Ryzen 7 2700x | RTX 2080 | 16GB-3000 13d ago
It’s had a lot of references to draw on lmao
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u/ScudleyScudderson 13d ago
ChatGPT steps up to bat for us:
You know what, Wibble Wobble Studios? Enough with the apologies and the PR. As gamers, we're tired of being treated like we're easy to placate. We're not just your 'valued players,' we're your customers, your lifeline. You need us more than we need you, and it's time you start acting like it.
I've heard your apologies before, and all the studios like you. It's the same song and dance every time. "We regret, we're sorry, unforeseen issues." Then you throw in some freebies to try to smooth things over. I've got a hard drive full of "exclusive content" from games that I can't even bring myself to play because they're so broken.
What we want is not just apologies or freebies, we want you to be accountable. We want you to invest time, effort, and resources to create better games. Games that are finished, polished, and worth the price tag when they're released. It's disheartening to spend our hard-earned money on games that are subpar at best, and unplayable at worst. This isn't just about "The Talking Bananas." It's about the gaming industry as a whole.
You talk about technical challenges and development obstacles like they're new or unexpected. They're not. They're a part of the process. And if you can't handle that, then maybe you shouldn't be in this industry. You should know that releasing a broken game is worse than delaying it. Yes, we may grumble about delays, but we grumble more about spending money on a game that's not worth it.
We don't need more channels of communication. We need more transparency and honesty. Instead of telling us about problems after the fact, how about keeping us in the loop from the start? How about showing us that you respect us enough to tell us the truth, even when it's hard?
Your letter speaks of a commitment to making amends and improving your procedures, but these words carry little weight when the industry is rife with similar mistakes. We need actions, not words. It's not about a free DLC pack or in-game bonuses. It's about respect, integrity, and dedication to creating quality games that we, your customers, deserve.
So here's a suggestion for you, Wibble Wobble Studios, and every other developer who thinks they can get away with the same mistakes: Stop focusing on saving face and start focusing on saving your games. Only then will you regain our trust. Until that happens, you can keep your apologies and your freebies. We don't want them. We want better games. Period.
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u/gusaholic 13d ago
Take a guess why there’s a writers strike in certain communities
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u/TastyCuttlefish 3dfx Voodoo1 50MHz 4 MB | Sound Blaster 16 13d ago
Well given all the shitty releases recently, the algorithm probably has sufficient material to learn from and so yeah… soon if not already happening.
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u/Genuine-Farticle 13d ago
Why dont they just add “Beta” or “early access” to the title for the first few years instead. I hear that takes the heat off. /s
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u/smytti12 13d ago
I am starting to wonder if games are reaching a major tipping point, with development time and cost being too large for the poor (insanely wealthy) studio execs to wrap their heads around. I feel like they're still imagining 2002 game development turn around, not the 8-10 year requirement for a large original game from concept to release nowadays. Especially because they're eye-ing the microtransaction profits of the reskinned CoDs and F2P competitive games, I'm worried we will see even more of a downward spiral unless someone starts breaking the mold.
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u/greenskye 13d ago
They already have in my opinion. Almost 90% of my play time for the last several years has been in indie games that typically cost me $30 or less. I've gotten far more enjoyment and playtime from them.
I've still bought several AAA titles, but my playtime has usually been short and I've often walked away frustrated and feeling like I've wasted my money. Contrasted with some of the indie games I've played where I honestly felt guilty for getting so much value out of something so cheap and gone searching for a way to donate more money.
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u/jondelreal 13d ago
If Gollum came out in the 90s, it would have been packaged in cereal.
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u/Tron_Kitten Ryzen 5 3600 || RTX 3080 || 16GB 3600mhz 13d ago edited 13d ago
Hey I got Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 from a box of cereal, how dare you compare gollum to that.
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u/Rebar_is_optional 13d ago
If Gollum came in my cereal i would be very displeased, i assure you that!
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u/dire_bedlam 13d ago
Went looking for this and was not disappointed. Would love if South Park did an episode on the state of modern game development.
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u/RedditAstroturfed 13d ago
The one they did on mobile games is, sadly, still relevant
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u/DroppedD94 13d ago edited 13d ago
If I remember correctly, that episode ended with the four boys saying how dumb videogames in general are...
Then: SOUTH PARK: THE STICK OF TRUTH, AVAILABLE ON PLAYSTATION AND XBOX NOW!!!
Edit: wrong episode :(
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u/moremysterious 13d ago
Nah different episode, the episode you're thinking of is the ending of the Game of Thrones parody episodes.
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u/KillingTime_ForNow 13d ago
And that's literally the series about Xbox vs. Playstation where Cartman talks about preorders being absolute horseshit.
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u/IrohBanner 13d ago
"We really feel bad for our job,yet we will keep doing the same shot GG losers!!"
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u/No-Yogurt2706 13d ago
Next apology will be from Blizzard because of Diablo 4 better known as battlepass 4.
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u/AgentSmith2518 13d ago
Isn't that Redfall one a fake one?
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u/Lavanthus 3080TI | 5800X | 32GB 13d ago
Replace it with FatShark's Darktide apology. Hole filled.
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u/Tehsyr Ignore my PC that is currently in flames, it's working hard now. 13d ago
What happened with Darktide?
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u/jzillacon Specs/Imgur here 13d ago
Between it's open beta and it's release it got virtually no new content. Just 2 new missions and a new map. But what they did make sure to add, before even the weapon smithing shop was complete, was a fully functional cash shop for microtransactions. Also somehow the live release was buggier and had significantly lower performance compared to beta despite how little content was added.
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u/Tramm Specs/Imgur Here 13d ago
Then they took about two months off for the holidays, leaving the game a mess in the meantime.
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u/DefectiveSp00n 13d ago
At least Fatshark is (slowly) holding true on their promise.
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u/AppropriateMethod793 13d ago
how is darktide going? it looked so great but i never played it
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u/ChangelingFox 13d ago
Gameplay is great, amount of content is better suited to a $30 game. That said I've still put 400hrs into it and am still going because I just really like the gameplay loop. Imo it's worth getting if you're really into 40k or don't mind stage repetition, but I'd recommend waiting for a sale unless you're really into 40k like me.
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u/SuddenXxdeathxx PC Master Race 13d ago
Should be on sale for about 30 USD right now actually, and I'm close to caving in even though my PC can barely run it because it's like 34 CAD.
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u/ChangelingFox 13d ago
For $30 is definitely say it's worth it, especially if you have friends to play it with.
As for performance issues, that's definitely something to be mindful of. The game is pretty rough on hardware and my 1080/8700k combo had to have everything set on low with fsr 2.0 in performance mode to handle the not infrequent times when there's 100+ enemies on screen.
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u/KamahlFoK 13d ago
Just play DRG. You forfeit the IP but get a good game that doesn't make you feel gross playing it.
I really want to like Darktide but it's just filth from top to bottom, and not a single facet of it feels player-friendly. Whatever good will they had has gone up in smoke and, while I normally wouldn't ever wish a game or studio to be ruined - at this point I'd rather just some other company entirely pursue these kinds of titles, because Fatshark has proven they're not capable of doing it in a satisfying fashion, and they've consistently proven that as well.
Their games tend to follow a cycle of releasing in a broken, horrible fashion, slowly patching it up to a playable state, releasing paid DLC that is blatant power creep, and then moving on to the next game.
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u/PhilanthropAtheist PC Master Race 13d ago
It's no vermintide yet but it's building up to much content.
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u/Fractured_doe 13d ago
Latest update has been “next week”d 2 or 3 times already.
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u/UnsettllingDwarf 3070 ti / 5600x / 32gb Ram 13d ago
They couldn’t even say sorry despite stealing $90 from some people.
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u/AgentSmith2518 13d ago
Yeah, I'm still really shocked that they have basically been radio silent on the matter.
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u/ViIebloodHunter 13d ago
Phil Spencer did go in an interview and talked about how big a disappointment it was. Still a shit game though
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u/FawkesYeah 13d ago
Didn't do something wrong, if you don't admit to it taps forehead
--Children, and some game dev companies
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u/LolYouFuckingLoser 13d ago
I hate when companies pull that shit. Some weird shit went down with an account at my job and we terminated it because of the activity. When I asked my boss if we would be vetting all of our accounts for that type of activity he said "no" because "if we do it now we'll be expected to do it always and can be liable if we don't do it" so okay cool, can't be blamed for being Irresponsible if you never try to be responsible to begin with apparently lol
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u/blackcray 13d ago
To play devil's advocate, no man's sky was also basically radio silent for months after launch.
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u/Amgarrak3 13d ago
I may be missing something, but how does idiots blindly purchasing a product without at least watching a review first equal stealing?
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u/rubennaatje Specs/Imgur here 13d ago
The battlefield one is also about harassment towards DICE employees...
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u/casual_katalyst 13d ago
“…The Lord of The RING: Gollum…”
Couldn’t even get their own title right.
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u/TaintedSquirrel i7 13700KF | 3090 FTW3 | PcPP: http://goo.gl/3eGy6C 13d ago
Worse, it says "The Lord of Ring".
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u/lost12487 13d ago
Even pretending that doesn’t exist in the letter, it’s still absolutely hilarious. As if everyone is hating on it because it’s not polished enough rather than it just being a completely terrible concept and execution for a game in general.
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u/shadowdash66 Ascending Peasant 13d ago
I wish TotalBiscuit was alive to rip these assholes a new one.
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u/Thefreeman500 13d ago
to quote a guy making a warioland mod for Doom: "wear your inspiration on your sleeve but become something new and terrifying." we need someone to step up and become just thee shit caller that we all need, one that has major pull.
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u/Ratattack1204 13d ago
I miss the hell out of that guy. I wonder what he would make of the gaming scene right now.
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u/Crystal3lf 5900X | 2060S | 32GB 13d ago
Someone needs to rip the consumers assholes a new one cause they are the ones who keep buying and pre-ordering this shit and then lapping it up when patch 54 comes out and marginally fixes the game.
Why would these companies ever stop doing this when they get millions of dollars anyway.
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u/Spiritual-Armadillo2 13d ago
I see room for 1-2 more, who’s next? Dare I say starfield?
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u/Jayson_n_th_Rgonauts 13d ago
Starfield can be the worst game ever released for all I care but if they fuck up ES6 we’re gonna have big problems
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u/MeLoNarXo Ascending Peasant 13d ago
It's Bethesda.
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u/Pali1119 13d ago
The community will fix it
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u/audiophy 13d ago
As is tradition
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u/Immortan-Moe-Bro 3700X I RTX 4090 I 16GB RAM 13d ago
Meanwhile Bethesda is going to be pushing paid mods that add nothing of serious value while other modders are down in the trenches fixing the game for free
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u/billybatsonn Desktop 13d ago
At least they allow the community to do all this work without actively trying to stop it all
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u/Immortan-Moe-Bro 3700X I RTX 4090 I 16GB RAM 13d ago
Yeah anyway, what’s up with all that lately. It’s like all at once these corporations started freaking out about “protecting their intellectual properties”
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u/3laws I use Arch BTW Master Race | 5600G | 6700 XT 13d ago
Nintendo has always been like that. Sony is quite relaxed, even offering jobs to those who hacked their previous consoles.
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u/OutrageousMatter MSI RTX 2070S 8GB GDDR6 16gb ddr4 3000mhz Ryzen 5 3600 3.6ghz 13d ago
Nintendo is like the god of fuck you, if do try to go against them, be prepared to flee your nation as they'll take every cent you ever make.
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u/gganate 13d ago
Yes! I have been playing Bethesda games since Morrowind. They will release a buggy, unoptimized mess. It might still be worth playing, but no one should kid themselves; Starfield will not be a polished release.
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u/Immortan-Moe-Bro 3700X I RTX 4090 I 16GB RAM 13d ago
The question is will it be good? Fallout 4 was a great FPS stripped of its RPG elements that had some issues. Fallout 76 was worse in every way and the creation engine couldn’t handle multiplayer co-op. Hell FO4 still crashes when you fly a slow moving vertabird, how is it going to handle multiple space ships flying around.
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u/profgreybush 13d ago
Hah, idk but I cant wait for the VR mod. VR skyrim and fallout with mods is some of the best gaming I've ever done. And yes, I liked new vegas better, much better overall. VR just added so much.
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u/Immortan-Moe-Bro 3700X I RTX 4090 I 16GB RAM 13d ago
Can confirm, once you mod them it’s an amazing experience. Although I gotta say Half Life 2 VR is still my current favorite VR port
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u/H4LF4D 13d ago
Honestly if ES6 doesn't come with bugs I demand an apology
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u/Greecelightninn PC Master Race 13d ago edited 13d ago
I want cheese wheels spawning out of thin air !
Edit : spelling :P
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u/CiriousVi 13d ago
Rest assured, TES6 will have the same bugs that Morrowind did. Because they were also in Oblivion. And in Skyrim, too! And will probably be in TES7, even!
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u/razznab3 13d ago edited 13d ago
I too look forward to ES6. Sadly at this rate it will be a decade before we get anything. ESPECIALLY if they botch Starfield.
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u/KTheOneTrueKing 13d ago
Starfield will be a buggy mess but it won't be unplayable, I'm sure, just like the majority of bethesda open world games.
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u/el_f3n1x187 R5 5600x |RX 6750 XT|16gb HyperX Beast 13d ago
Dare I say starfield?
Come on, its a given.
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u/ChadicusMeridius 13d ago
Absolutely. I suspect vampire: the masquerade bloodlines 2 won't be too far behind either.
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u/DiamineSherwood 13d ago
I thought the development of that game was taking an indefinite hiatus. Is it back on?
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u/BloodprinceOZ 13d ago
its still under production etc, since they took it away from the original studio and gave it to another where they basically had to restart development entirely, so it'll be a few years still IIRC before we see anything about that again, atleast if its getting finished, if it ends up cancelled or something then news will come sooner
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u/Chadiki 13d ago
Actually, I low-key want that game to be as much of a hot buggy mess as the first V:TMB.
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u/Ashamed-Literature-6 13d ago
If it is as good as the first one when fixed then yes please!
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u/Lambda_Wolf i7-6700K | EVGA GTX 1080 FTW | 32GB DDR4 13d ago
Praise be to our savior u/Wesp5.
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u/N0UMENON1 13d ago
The fact that everyone seems convinced that the Starfield release will be bad makes me think it actually won't be.
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u/minepose98 13d ago
I think it will be buggy, but no worse than normal for Bethesda.
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u/AmazingSpacePelican 13d ago
Nah, I'm betting we don't get one of these for Starfield. It'll be buggy, but just the standard Bethesda buggy, not like F76 on release. Not enough to warrant a wall of text apology.
I'm betting we get absolutely blindsided by something we didn't even consider could be fucked up so badly. Like a Pacman game that needs a 3090 to hit 30fps, or a Snake game that bricks PCs, or a Solitaire game that crashes every few minutes.
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u/Blacksad9999 Suprim Liquid X 4090, 7800x3D, ASUS Crosshair 670E, ASUS PG42UQ 13d ago
We'll see. Microsoft has pushed back the release a number of times to polish the game, so maybe it will be the first non-janky Bethesda release.
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u/AnachronisticPenguin 13d ago
Who cares if it’s buggy. It’s bethesda that’s a given. The real question is it fun and engaging and immersive.
A good buggy Bethesda game is still a 10/10 just wait a couple of months.
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u/DaenerysTargaryen69 Ryzen 5 3600 GTX 1660 Super 13d ago
Wow.
Don't even know what more can be said.
Yhis is an issue so rampant that I see no end coming soon, and why would there?
You guys keep preordering anyway.
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u/Caustiticus 13d ago
AAA companies haven't put full games on disc in years. Which is the only reason to ever preorder nowadays (besides potentially missing out on "bonus content" that makes no difference and will probably be forgotten about within a few hours of play...).
Anyone else remember when goodies used to be part of a preorder? Like keychains, playing cards, even stickers? Pathetic that I'm actually missing that demeaning crap...
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u/LouSlash BTW 13d ago
Even full sized maps that you could hang/stick to the wall
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u/tristan_noel_safonov 13d ago
The lore books in the box used to be my favorite. Back when it took half a day to install WoW,swg, guild wars, city of hero’s, etc…. I’d read the books they provided. Good times
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u/stilljustacatinacage 13d ago
Pathetic that I'm actually missing that demeaning crap...
I didn't find it demeaning. I liked the little bits-and-bobs you'd get for preordering. I still have a Kanto Pokemon map scroll and a Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops camo bandana in my closet, and a StarCraft 2 ballcap.
But just to give some idea, those are about the last time(s) I can remember preordering and getting anything in return that wasn't just some jerkoff digital item that eventually gets given out for free to everyone anyway (not complaining about that, just... kind of diminishes the point).
Now the only games I preorder are from studios that I'm very confident in, which is basically exclusively Naoki Yoshida's CBU3, because I know executives treat preorders like Writs Of Permission To Live, any fewer than 500 million preorders and it's straight to the gallows.
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u/Immortan-Moe-Bro 3700X I RTX 4090 I 16GB RAM 13d ago
The bonuses of course!!! Who doesn’t want a bunch of useless cosmetics and resource packs for a broken game at launch?
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u/GentleAnusTickler 13d ago
Haven’t bought a title newer than 2019 and apart from fs22 and don’t plan on it. Too many dissapointments
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u/Vr22s 13d ago
I have yet to be let down by a Farming Simulator this far. Though the mods do make it more enjoyable.
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u/SweetBabyAlaska 3060ti | i5 | 13d ago
This is an unpopular opinion, but I don't think the problem is pre-orders. it's game companies. They do the most thorough cost to benefit analysis and came to the conclusion that it is more profitable long term to release games incomplete and early, while rushing and risking a buggy release and the press it brings, versus paying operation costs for 6 more months. They'd rather build hype to get people to buy regardless.
They just jack up the requirements for hardware and optimize later with a bug patch. They don't even try to compress the game size. Consuming more or less is rarely ever an effective means of making change. People are really stuck in this "vote with your dollar" mind set but it won't ever be an effective method of changing things. Indie games are killing it though.
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u/profgreybush 13d ago
Easier to beta test on millions of people and their different hardware configs than it is to pay even just 100s of people to attempt that for you.
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u/wisdomelf 4090 / 5950x / 32gb 3666 13d ago
Dont preorder.
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u/Charlie_at_Work_ 13d ago
It's like people can't control thenselves and have to be reminded to not preorder.
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u/_Administrator 13d ago edited 13d ago
Preordered Cyberpunk. Build a rig just for that. Game release delayed….
But on release, I managed to play it nearperfectly to the end. With only a few restarts and close to zero bugs. I know I got lucky. Console brothers had It hard…
Also, in my 30 years of gaming - this was my first and the last preorder.
Edit: got informed aboot use of abbreviations and what not
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u/wierdness201 Laptop | i9-10885H | 2080 Super 13d ago
You preordered what?
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u/Nirast25 R5 3600 | 6570XT | 30 GB | 3440x1440p 13d ago
What, y'all don't buy Child Playgrounds to put in your backyard?
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u/Main_15 13d ago
Is that Redfall one even real?? I thought they were radio silent tbh
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u/Wanhade600 13d ago
I dont give a damn about their apology. How about we get a game that is actually works day 1? How about rushing the game, you dont set a release date, u dont even release info about the game. Just put ur fucking heart and soul into the game and release it when its fully developed.
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u/neur0n23 13d ago
Unreal. Sad to see the state of PC gaming - especially since it is so lucrative. You would think this should somehow oblige them to ship a premium product...
Good post.
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u/Zovanget 13d ago
This isn't specific to PC gaming. These are all multi co sole launches. In fact, PC gaming is doing great. Jedi Fallen Order was like the one game that was really disappointing. And Sony had that rushed port of Last of Us because they tried to profit from the TV show. But there are plenty of PC first titles that are excellent.
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u/Tasty01 Desktop 13d ago
Daedalic must be taking the piss here right?
They shipped the game with fucking Calibri as the font for dialogue options. Gollum, the guy who fishes with his bare hands and then eats the fish raw and wiggling is raising a baby bird in this game instead of just eating it. If this apology isn’t a joke then either they’re mentally disabled or they think we are.
I do not accept your apology.
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u/private_birb 13d ago
I could see him doing it temporarily for entertainment, but I'd expect a "eat" option every single day until you finally snap "Press X to Eat".
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u/Mysterious-Tough-964 13d ago
$0 and zero time wasted on any of those cash grabs.
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u/wigglin_harry 13d ago
Is Gollum broken, or is it just a shit game?
If its just a bad game I don't think its fair to lump it in with the rest of these disasters
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u/Salohacin 13d ago
It's bad. Really bad. In every aspect.
Runs poorly, looks ugly, poor voice acting, terrible companion controls, lots of animation glitches, bland gameplay.
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u/Funkyp0tat0chip 13d ago
Hopefully this won't become the norm. Seems to be more common now to ask for forgiveness later. Who would the blame be on more? Developer or publisher?
I kind of started to notice this a little, too once digital libraries started to become mainstream. It's faster, easier (and better to the ears of corporate bigwigs) to put out the game digitally and tweak it later if enough fuss happens. Then the EA micro shit caught traction as another vehicle to exploit profits (while targeting the younger audience - which caused backlash after kids were using their parents' money unauthorized), so that died down a little, but has picked up traction again. Games used to REQUIRE being 100% for being sold on physical media for people to enjoy. Blame: Publisher.
Trying to appeal to a larger audience by putting multiplayer at the helm of alot of titles instead of focusing on the single player experience and giving a great story to play through became popular with the higher ups too. It's not without its benefits, but it seemed like the individual got left behind in that regard. Blame: Publisher.
Developers get caught in the middle trying to keep up with the demand for more more more. More content. More textures. More rehashing the same formula and spitting out something a little different to justify another release. Take CDPR for example. They crushed the devs to hell trying to get out Cyberpunk and look what happened. Took a year for it to polish and be worth a damn even enough for Sony to take it off its store and reinstate it later. I think that was the game that opened up some poeple's eyes about the pressure to get a product out to sell after baking in production - even at the risk of not hitting the mark or realizing it's original and ideal potential first. Blame: Publisher.
Now developers I think are not completely without fault. There's exceptions, but i think a growing amount of them are seeing it as like "what's the point? Let's just do what they say and they'll keep us funded and our studio alive." The fire and drive is lacking. Seems like a good chunk of studios are afraid to take risks anymore. They just want to put out something they "know" would sell to the highest bidder. There are some that still stick to their guns and put out quality games, but they generally have built more of a reputation and the pubs they stick with know to let them pretty much have what they need to put out a quality product. Blame: 50/50
Seems the corporate hand has stolen the writer's pen.
In the end, business is business and money makes the world go round. The problem with sacrificing quality for profit is inherently the result that we have now. It's like the passion people once had for making awesome games has faded and adhered more to the corporate side of things. Put the shoe on the other foot - would you cut some profit to build more quality? I think that's a good reason the indie scene as a whole has increased and gained a larger foothold over the last 10 years.
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u/onthejourney Specs/Imgur Here 13d ago
It's the norm until people stop buying broken games.
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u/awkwardthequeef 13d ago
If a dev pretends to be surprised they released a piece of shit, they make it to my "Pirate and seed even if you don't intend to play it" list.
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u/tenashas 13d ago
Who the fuck actually wants to spend 6+ hrs crawling around Mordor in a shit stained cloth?
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u/zeug666 13d ago
I can't speak to the others, but Cyberpunk and Fallout 76 cleaned up their act (after a little while). Maybe not as big of a turn around as No Man's Sky, but improved.
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u/VileDespiseAO GPU - CPU - RAM - Motherboard - PSU - Storage - Tower 13d ago
Are you no longer a part of the PCMR team? I noticed your flair is gone.
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u/zeug666 13d ago edited 13d ago
Some mods like to have their mod flair on all the time for whatever reason, I just use it when doing official stuff. (on for effect)
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u/VileDespiseAO GPU - CPU - RAM - Motherboard - PSU - Storage - Tower 13d ago
That makes perfect sense. In that case, good day to you sir and may you enjoy many more years with PCMR.
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u/BatMatt93 Ryzen 5 3600x | RTX 3070 | 32GB-3200 13d ago
I was told it makes me look cooler. Maybe that reddit user was lying to me.
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u/doNotUseReddit123 13d ago
Cyberpunk went from being one of my least-liked games of all time to one of my most-liked games of all time.
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u/greg19735 13d ago
Jedi Survivor doesn't really need to be there either.
They fixed most of the issues in days. And personally i never even had any issues.
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u/Southlinch 5800x | 5700xt | 16GB 3600MHz 13d ago
No Man's Sky still has a huge flaw in that once you step out of your ship, you've seen everything the planet has to offer already. Huge turn-off that's kept me from playing for years.
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u/Mist_Rising Ryzen 5 5600x, B550 plus, RTX 2070 super. 13d ago
Maybe not as big of a turn around as No Man's Sky, but improved.
Still kicks star "we have no idea what we are doing" citizen though.
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u/HomoLiberus 13d ago
Gamers keep pre ordering like muppets so unfortunately half baked products and PR statements like this won't end anytime soon.
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u/FeldsparJockey00 13d ago •
This should get pinned and added to as time goes on.
The Wall of Shame