r/politics Maryland 5d ago All-Seeing Upvote 2 Helpful 4 Gold 1 Starstruck 1

States can’t regulate guns, but they can ban abortions — why?

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3534784-states-cant-regulate-guns-but-they-can-ban-abortions-why/
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u/kcexactly 5d ago

Sounds like we need to make common sense abortion rights a constitutional amendment.

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u/cbih 5d ago Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Narwhal Salute Giggle Wearing is Caring Table Slap Brighten My Day

Lol how? It takes 38 states to ratify an amendment. You have an easier time getting every man in the government to lay out in a line suck each other's dicks like a damn human centipede from coast to coast.

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u/starmartyr Colorado 5d ago Helpful Bravo! Starry Heartwarming Narwhal Salute Giggle Starstruck

Dicks Across America. If we all come together we can all come together.

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u/Vitalremained 5d ago Helpful

Let's all hold dicks, here on the subway

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u/EcceMachina 5d ago

That was the director's cut, unrated version of that episode

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u/Perseus109 5d ago

Uncut version maybe?

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u/JamieLoud 5d ago

See this makes sense. Maybe we suck off one guy and then snowball it into the next guys mouth.

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u/DMD702 5d ago

🎵 Dicks across....AMERICA! 🎵

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u/boston_shua 5d ago

That was a vivid image

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u/soapinthepeehole 5d ago

And still, a wildly accurate sentence as well.

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u/boston_shua 5d ago

I came. Then I commented.

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u/AbsentGlare California 5d ago Silver Gold Wholesome Starry Heartwarming

I’m down to fuck n suck in a human centipede if that’s what it takes for a constitutional amendment securing the right to an abortion.

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u/Ivegotacitytorun 5d ago

You’re an inspiration.

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u/PlayfulParamedic2626 5d ago edited 5d ago

Nah, he’s just looking for any reason to suck dick.

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u/boston_shua 5d ago

Maybe it’s both

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u/tossowary 5d ago

Got a problem with that? Then get in line buster

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u/panormda 5d ago

Why do you think they call it a fill 'er buster? 😏

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u/MrBoredgamer 5d ago

If I have learned anything in life, you can suck and fuck enough dicks to become inspirational.

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u/TacticalChimichanga 5d ago Silver

Didn't they try something like this in the 80s? Handjobs Across America? Or did my 5th grade gym teacher lie to me?

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u/InterdisciplinaryDol Florida 5d ago

Ahh penis inspection day. Good times, coach was super cool about it.

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u/MyohMy1137 5d ago

Was it every Friday at your school as well?

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u/mhb-210 Arizona 5d ago

I thought that was just a church thing?

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u/ivyagogo 5d ago

True story - I skipped school the day they did Hands Across America. I drive down to NYC with my friends and we hung out in the city. We were in front of St Patrick’s Cathedral where they were doing the holding hands thing and we wound up on the freaking news! My parents didn’t see it, but my friend’s parents did. They were more cool about it than mine would have been. Mom died two years ago. I don’t think I ever told her. I’ll tell my stepdad tomorrow. He’ll get a kick out of it.

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u/carlwryker 5d ago

I did not realize Gym Jordan was your teacher.

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u/PastaAnalBowl 5d ago

I'm not gay but women's rights are women's rights.

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u/itsyaboyObama 5d ago

It would only be 2,156,880 six foot tall men to make it from LA to NY. Start the paperwork, let’s do this.

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u/BiomedSquatch 5d ago

Historic headline: Bisexuals and pansexuals unite across the nation to end widespread gun violence in panamerican sex train!

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u/Slowdownlife 5d ago

Its the least us men can do for womens rights

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u/TurtleMOOO 5d ago

I’ve said it before; I’d do anything to get my sister the rights she deserves. If that means sucking dick from coast to coast I’d do it. I’m pissed she has to live through this shit. I’m a guy so I guess I rolled the lucky 50/50.

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u/Savings_Inflation_77 5d ago

Whew boy...well...firstly, we need to know a few things.

Average height from the waist to face of the average American male.

Let's round up to 36 inches.

The shortest distance across the contingent United States.

Call it 2,100 miles.

The quantity of American men by last year's census.

Call it 162 million.

Let's run the numbers.

162,000,000 x 36 = 5,832,000,000 inches

Converted to feet (/12) = 486,000,000

Converted to miles (/5,280) = 92,045

You could run a human centipede dick sucking train of American men not only from one end of the country to the other, but around the entire world at its equator 3.7 times!

In fact, you'd only need 3.7 million men to run a dick suckin human centipede train from one end of the U.S. to the other and I'm starting a kickstarter campaign!

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u/super_awesome_jr 5d ago

Is this what Madison Cawthorn was talking about?

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops 5d ago

Which coast should we start on?

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u/Romeo9594 5d ago

Probably have an easier time talking the folks out West into it, so I'd start there

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u/Prestigious_Plum_451 5d ago

Nah, way easier to start with the southern states and expand outward. At least judging by porn consumption habits...

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/videos/a21993/gay-porn-stats-by-state/

https://theplaidzebra.com/the-bible-belt-consumes-the-most-gay-porn-in-the-united-states-according-to-pornhub/

All of that conservative LGBT hate is really all about projection and gaslighting to try and hide their own predilections from others.

Likely related to their weird obsession with calling democrats child molesters and groomers... while...

https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook

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u/Bogsnoticus 5d ago

I'll have you know, that all 56 open tabs, and 847 bookmarks, are pure research into it's evils.

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u/FireFlyz351 5d ago

You're gonna need to link me those bookmarks so I too can research these darn evils.

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u/ABQLawyerBro 5d ago

Want to find the closeted gays? Go to where people proclaim their hate for them the most… Catholic and Southern Baptist churches are busting at the seams with them. 😂

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u/SeaPen333 5d ago

That dailykos list of republican predators is crazy long.

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u/fancysauce_boss 5d ago

If the average man is 6 ft how many men dick to lip would need to line up to span the us ?

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u/ProfessionalConfuser 5d ago

Coast to coast is about 3000 miles...
3000 miles * 5280 feet/mile * 1 dude/6 feet ~ 2.64 million dudes laying head to toe. Now you need a second 'layer' to achieve coupling...so about 5.28 million dudes.

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u/overengineered 5d ago

Plus an overage to account for elevation changes. Unless Elon suddenly becomes invested in this idea and commands the boring co. to create a roughly zero sea level tunnel coast to coast, but just for dick sucking, no high speed rail or anything useful.

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u/Johnnydontpointthat 5d ago

Feels about as likely to happen as the Hyperloop.

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u/hydrocharis Europe 5d ago

Still more useful than filling it with Teslas.

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u/statuskills 5d ago

Yeah, the second layer is really important, I think the whole thing is ludicrous without the second layer. Also, someone needs to tell this guy that he is not describing a traditional human centipede.

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u/snowyday I voted 5d ago

We’re entering Silicon Valley territory.

“We’re going to win if I personally have to jerk off every guy in the audience.”

“That’s a lot of jerking. And we only have 10 minutes, so …”

https://youtu.be/0rhdOt9bOHE

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u/rswi13 5d ago

Why am I so invested in this thread?

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u/MasterKraken 5d ago

So you're saying there's a chance?

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u/Johnnydontpointthat 5d ago

I call dibs being in between Mayor Pete and Sean Patrick Maloney. If we’re doing this I want to be in between two guys who are familiar with the equipment and know what they’re doing.

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u/NoFreedance1094 5d ago

We almost had the ERA, piece of shits on reddit told me we didn't need it because we have laws granting women our rights.

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u/SlowMango7000 Wisconsin 5d ago

Fuck Phyllis Schlafly. Watch Mrs America on Hulu sometime.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Wisconsin 5d ago

With the states split as they are, calling a constitutional convention would be worse for us than better.

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u/FartHeadTony 5d ago

A right to privacy and right to bodily autonomy would seem to be to any reasonable person two of the several unenumerated rights.

But, as you say, since they aren't explicitly mentioned it gives unreasonable SCOTUS justices greater scope to pretend such things don't exist.

The practical problem now is that the constitution cannot be amended without a supermajority of senate (2/3 to propose) and states (3/4 to ratify). GOP controls and, due to the nature of the electoral system, will continue to control, enough of these to make a supermajority an impossibility.

No amendment will passed without the consent of the GOP. And on these two particular issues, which they have chosen as wedge issues, there will be no support.

The only way to fix this state of affairs, is through broad and deep changes to the electoral process, which will require constitutional reform.

There is no path out of this mess within the confines of the existing system. The US is a failed state. There are those preparing for violent conflict, for a coup, for secession.

The best hope is a third party lead by a charismatic leader that could split enough of the GOP vote that it would keep them out of office in 3/4 states and 2/3 of the senate. This is a fantasy, though.

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u/therealrealrock 4d ago

Democrats just need to get serious about doing what they believe is the moral and correct thing to do by stretching the system as far as they can. This is what the Republicans do very well, except its just for their own benefit not everyones. Increase the legislature size to dilute Republicans. Gerrymander and pork barrel. Stack the supreme court and force through favourable decisions. Make police and education funding contingent on certain standards and accreditation. Apply a massive tax to ammunition and gun sales that prices in the damage such prolific ownership does. Ram through universal healthcare, with a parallel and integrated private system. Yada yada. First and foremost they needs to wash poor areas with excellent child services, education and healthcare. Lack of education = support for corrupt Republican politicians - as the Republicans fully understand.

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u/azorthefirst Georgia 4d ago

The Democrats are never going to get their shit together enough to get any of that done. They are less of an actual political party at this point and more a massive coalition bringing together everyone not far right, from center right moderate conservatives to socialists. This means they cant properly maintain a coherent message or plan of action on anything that really matters. Because if they do try to do something big they risk alienating one of the internal factions and sinking the whole think. See: Build Back Better and the Infrastructure bill.

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u/k_ironheart Missouri 5d ago

What we need is a SCOTUS that isn't a hyper-partisan shithole. And a democratic party that actually enacts progressive policies and fights back against fascism. That would be nice.

Instead, we get the "we take the high ground" fuckwads that feel all smug about doing the "proper" thing while people's rights are stripped away. Not theirs, of course, they're too rich and powerful to suffer the consequences, which is why they can be so smug.

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u/IMind 5d ago

You can't enact fuck all if legislation is doa because of partisanship

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u/tigernike1 5d ago

I just wish Joe would start drawing up “National Emergency” orders like Trump did for a nonexistent border crisis.

  1. National Emergency on Climate.
  2. Defense Production Act for oil and gas.

That’d be a good start.

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u/queenw_hipstur 5d ago

Just wait till they set precedent by rolling back what the EPA can and cannot regulate (hint: nothing), opening the door for a roll back on any and all government regulations, so that we can take the fast lane to our globo-corporate overlords having exactly zero government oversight, if there’s even any government left over.

Decades of concerted conservative court packing is coming to a head. Things are going to get very, very ugly.

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u/BRAX7ON Colorado 5d ago

Expand the number of seats for the Supreme Court. It is literally our only recourse

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u/papectontsicyclo 4d ago

I'm expecting conservatives to do this after Democrats refusing to do so.

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u/Fynn_the_Finger 4d ago

Conservatives will absolutely do this if they ever lost their majority. But they're in no danger of losing that majority for at least a couple of decades. We need two of the six conservatives to die while a Democrats control both the WH and Senate. I can't even tell you when the last time a conservative judge died when the Democrats could name a successor it happened so long ago. We're talking FDR era.

So we don't have to worry about the Republicans expanding the SCOTUS, they don't need to.

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u/bobocalender 4d ago

I live in GA and emailed Senator Jon Ossoff about this. Eventually got a response that says he doesn't support expanding the Supreme Court. One reason many Georgians voted him in was to stop the Conservative takeover of our government. Like I understand norms and precedent, but screw all that. We have to take bold action.

I know Dems don't have the votes for expand the court, but it frustrated me that he didn't even support it.

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u/ResoluteClover 5d ago

I'm only hoping that when the worm turns the left court will have as much respect for stare decisis as this one.

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u/theearthgarden Oregon 5d ago

Has the left had that much of a spine any time since FDR?

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u/thediskord 5d ago Silver Wholesome

The left has never had political representation in the US.

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u/Heizu 5d ago All-Seeing Upvote

It's cute that you think our government complex will survive the coming evisceration long enough for the left to have a turn.

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u/vegasman31 5d ago Gold Helpful

An ideological supreme court. It's not suppose to make sense, it's a religious conservative fantasy land.

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u/fairoaks2 5d ago

Christian Taliban taking us backwards

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u/scubahood86 5d ago

I'm more partial to "Y'all Queda"

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u/fish_whisperer Iowa 5d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Talibangelists

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u/PoissonPen 5d ago

MAGAhadeen

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u/pacostacos7 5d ago

Vanilla Ice-is

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u/sanebyday 5d ago

Yokel Haram

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u/PoissonPen 5d ago

Wal-Martyrs

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u/JustWastingTimeAgain Washington 5d ago

Gravy SEALS

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Wisconsin 5d ago

No one's going for cosplaytriots?

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u/Aggressive_Fisting 5d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Also a fan of "Yeehaw'dists"

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u/hagcel 5d ago

Welcome to Whitemanistan!

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u/SCUMDOG_MILLIONAIRE 5d ago

I’m afraid it’s worse than that. We have a majority of SCJ that are ORIGINALISTS. Their decisions are based on what they think the founding fathers intended when the constitution was written… back in 1787. I don’t need to point out the obvious that our 2022 world is so vastly different from their 1787 world that there is no way they could imagine, or consider, the future implications of the Constitution.

I think Originalist mentality is asinine to begin with, and it lives in such a world of grey ambiguity that an individual can steer their decision based on any number of other world views and factors…. That’s where personal ideology comes into play. Fact is, no SCJ has made a ruling that is 100% in opposition to their personal morals and beliefs.

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u/comtedeRochambeau 4d ago

I’m afraid it’s worse than that. We have a majority of SCJ that are ORIGINALISTS. Their decisions are based on what they think the founding fathers intended when the constitution was written… back in 1787.

I'm afraid that it's really what they want instead. I don't expect consistency from the religious reactionaries in the majority of the SCOTUS.

And why are the early leaders of the US prophets instead of politicians? IIRC, this cult of the "Founding Fathers" didn't begin until after the Civil War when the nation needed some common ideological ground.

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u/SmokeyShine 5d ago

All I know is that, from an Oiginalist POV, one of the Justices only counts as 3/5ths of a person for the purposes of allocating Representatives, and that he cannot exist except as someone's property.

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u/9mac Washington 5d ago Bravo!

2/3 of the court are catholics. They want us all to live in their bronze age fairy tale, self-loathing, shit-scape.

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u/debzmonkey 5d ago

Their Catholicism is full of shit, they have no problem with the death penalty, in fact they love it.

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u/Mahtomic_Gandhi 5d ago edited 4d ago

It's a twisted, nationalistic Catholicism. The worst kind, and it's all over. Go into any Catholic Church across the nation and you'll find the rhetoric ranges from "abortion is a mortal sin" to "LGBT+ youths will all go to hell"

It's all bad.

Edit: I'm care you don't believe me, i was born and raised uber Catholic - multiple mission trips, taught middle school youth group, went to a Catholic college which required philosophy and theology classes, which i enjoyed. I went across the country to the March for Life anti-choice rally in DC. I was married in the church. I know the dogma and apologetics inside and out. There are many good-hearted people. My best friend is still a tradcath.

It's all rotten.

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u/FartHeadTony 5d ago

Current Catholic teaching is that death penalty is not cool. I guess these are those "cafeteria Catholics" that John Paul II complained about. Picking and choosing items of dogma that they like and discarding others.

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u/garbage_flowers 5d ago

thats literally all christians and every religion.

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u/Boring_Vanilla4024 5d ago

Insane. Where is my representation as an atheist white male?

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u/gsfgf Georgia 5d ago

Soon to be illegal! Plenty of states have old laws on the books saying atheists can't hold office. This Court will make short work of bringing those back.

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u/someguy12345689 5d ago

According to wikipedia we have ONE atheist congressman representing us at the federal level, so it wouldn't exactly change much other than cement their theocratic rule. We were never represented in the first place, really lame.

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u/Anonuser123abc 5d ago

I wonder how many claim Christianity just to get elected.

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u/jdsfighter Oklahoma 5d ago

You know damn well it's every last one of them.

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u/Darth_JarJar300 5d ago

Which is actually a rather interesting point in its own right because Evangelicals aren't particularly fond of Catholics.

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u/Buffmin 5d ago

They'll end up eating each other eventually. They always do

The rest of us will just be dead long before that happens

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u/pilgermann 5d ago

The reasoning in Alito's opinion doesn't even make sense. He points to the Buffalo shooting as evidence that gun restrictions don't work. This would be like claiming seatbelts don't work because some people wearing seatbelts still die in car accidents. He's either unqualified or just doesn't give a shit.

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u/Crypt0Nihilist 5d ago

It's the "perfect solution fallacy" put into practice. It's the reason why we don't treat anyone for cancer because sometimes it doesn't work..oh wait.

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u/Thromnomnomok 5d ago

It's the same logic as "sometimes people with vaccines get the disease so vaccines are useless" ignoring that it will reduce your odds of getting it and give your body a much easier time fighting it off if you do get it.

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u/Mighty_Fine_Shindig 5d ago

He's either unqualified or just doesn't give a shit.

I get the impression it’s a bit of both

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u/gsfgf Georgia 5d ago

I think he's going senile. He's always been a right wing piece of shit, but his opinions this term aren't even coherent. At 72, that kind of decline is pretty indicative of dementia.

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u/comtedeRochambeau 4d ago

Lifetime appointments are a bad idea.

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u/spam4name 5d ago

You're expecting these people to act in good faith, understand statistics or have basic scientific literacy.

Few gun activists do.

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u/LatrellFeldstein 5d ago

He's either unqualified or just doesn't give a shit.

Or paid off by the gun lobby

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u/TheNextBattalion 5d ago

Nah he's unqualified. Ideology is one hell of a drug

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u/BeautifulPudding 5d ago Silver Wholesome

"Folks, your friendly neighborhood Muslim here. Please don't use Islamic terms to describe the fascist movement in America. It isn't Sharia, which allows abortion, or Islamic law or the Taliban. It's white Christian nationalism. Name it. The radical movement is homegrown." - @WajahatAli - Jun 21

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u/deletable666 5d ago

Pretty sure that most Muslim majority nations have also incorporated Islamic law into their governments laws. Much like here, though more clearly based on Islamic law vs some hazy Christian morality disguised as law

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u/Former-Drink209 5d ago

Right. Turkey and Indonesia are both secular...but of course their customs affect their lawmaking.

While I would not like to live under Islamic Law, it's kind of irrelevant to our situation if another country that doesn't have a major tradition and a constitution enshrining secularism like we do.

What they are doing is a violation of our most fundamental traditions, and an extremist overreach of power.

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u/VanceKelley Washington 5d ago

Fascists use the law as a club to bludgeon their opponents.

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u/cjwidd 5d ago

This must be one of the most destructive, partisan, and self-serving courts in the history of the modern judiciary. The Roberts court is hellbent on empowering a Christofascist state, damn the consequences.

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u/glockops 5d ago Helpful

The crazy thing is - the Christianfascist state would likely execute Catholics for being false Christians. I can't even count the number of times the insane religious people around me have said that Catholics are evil for praying to Mary.

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u/Shawmattack01 5d ago edited 5d ago Silver Helpful All-Seeing Upvote

And Mormons for that matter. The Christian Right is an alliance of convenience. The evangellicals have every intention of turning on their apostate allies at the earliest opportunity. This is another reason why the founders wanted no part of state organized religion--it always becomes a matter of *which* religion. They had seen the results of over two hundred years of incessant religious warfare in Europe, resulting in the annihilation of entire regions and a proportional death rate far greater than even WW2. This current Court, for all its fawning over original intent, is trying to dismantle the most important contributions of the founders.

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u/malbaisee 5d ago

it always becomes a matter of which religion.

what you said right there. that is precisely why I'm a believer of "freedom of religion" as implemented by the government has to mean "freedom from religion". otherwise it becomes a race to living in an Emo Phillips joke.

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u/Iron_Nightingale Illinois 5d ago

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!"
He said, "Nobody loves me."
I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes."
I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?"
He said, "A Christian."
I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?"
He said, "Protestant."
I said, "Me, too! What franchise?"
He said, "Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912.”
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

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u/justatest90 5d ago

The funniest religious joke of all time. God I love Emo Philips. Here he is performing (most of) the joke.

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u/Buggybug123 I voted 5d ago

He’s touring with Weird Al! I saw him recently, the man is Hilarious.

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u/Freuds_First_Patient 5d ago

This joke triggers me.

Because I literally grew up in a Independent Baptist Church in the Great Lakes Region that had most of its doctrines from the 1800s.

The fucking stories….

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u/smoothballsJim 5d ago

Man those Methodists sure seem happy - guitar budget has to be pretty steep though.

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u/uglybunny 5d ago

All their talk about original intent and textualism are philosophical window dressings for rulings to decide cases based on their personal political beliefs rather than the law. They are pretense and nothing more.

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u/The_Starving_Autist 5d ago

Beautifully said.

I think you would love/hate this documentary. Warning though, it gave me a panic attack watching it. It's about Evangelical Christians in the USA

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S33bTCrv-vE

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u/Shawmattack01 5d ago

It's fine, but they haven't shown the true scope. In fact, this documentary reminds me of what we first started seeing back in the 90's. What's happening now goes way beyond little militias of old men who can't hit flip targets at five yards. The movement has become fully integrated into the GOP under Trump, and has actually attempted a coup right in front of the world's eyes. The revival of abortion bans will be the basis for attacking other states through overreaching prosecutions and extradition demands. Just like the fugitive slave conflicts. And this Court is not likely to stop it. That leads not simply to some yehaw hick waving his gun, but to armed state agents facing off over whether some California doctor is going to get hauled off to Texas for fifty years behind bars or maybe execution. With a breakdown of interstate relationships and no federal authority able or willing to stop the horror show, the institutions become way more vulnerable to what was attempted last year. We're only a few steps away now.

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u/pizza_engineer Texas 5d ago

Make absolutely sure you vote this November.

Make absolutely sure everyone you know votes this November.

If possible, serve as a poll-worker.

Democracy is at stake.

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u/glockops 5d ago

Good grief that documentary is frightening. Christians straight up scare me.

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops 5d ago

an alliance of convenience

Gosh - that’s a perfect way to explain it.

Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong

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u/redbadger1848 5d ago edited 5d ago

Exactly, the radical traditionalists among us Catholics are simply a means to an end. Once those ends are met, we'll be right there facing the firing sqauds, standing next to the LGBT folks, pro choice folks and other "undesirables". Its fucking sad.

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u/SludgeSmudger 5d ago

You read that wrong.

Yes there are very hardcore, whacked out Catholics, but Catholics are not even safe from the Christian Fascists, which are more comprised of Protestant denominations like Southern Baptists and Revivalists.

Catholics have been persecuted in this country for a long time. My grandfather’s Baptist (not southern Baptist) family had strong hesitations to welcome my Catholic grandmother because they thought she worshiped Satan and had guns in their basement to take over the country.

Catholics are rather diverse and more likely to be moderate/democratic leaning in politics than most evangelist believers. Catholicism is not a strictly evangelical religion.

Catholics are often joked about by NOT being traditionalist, even though their mass and rites are extremely old and “weird” - like believing in transubstantiation, which is specifically something that the “traditionalist” faiths ridicule Catholics for because it is akin to witchcraft in their minds.

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u/redbadger1848 5d ago

That's why I singled out the "rad-trads". They dont care what the cost is, so long as things like abortion, and LGBT rights are snuffed out. They will happily sell the rest of us out in order to achieve those ends.

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u/SludgeSmudger 5d ago edited 5d ago

Sorry, I read that as “the radical traditionalists” being the Catholics, and not the part of the Catholic community that are the radicals. My bad.

I definitely share your feelings, although I am more of a Satanic/atheist than a Catholic anymore. Most of my Catholic family are super progressive, prochoice types and I have one family in my family that are anti-choice, anti-gay and it is really sad to see what their kids have gone through because of their indoctrination to the more extreme side of things - concerning LGBT and abortion/contraception. The mother (my aunt) was adamant that her kids would never need education on either of those things. Lo and behold, her first daughter had a teen pregnancy and had to give the child up for adoption, one of her sons went to seminary school (lots of us suspect he might be gay, but obviously it isn’t our place), and another son doesn’t speak to them anymore because of the hardcore shit they put them all through.

Everyone else in my family are pretty open minded and accepting.

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u/Musclepayne 5d ago

Catholics also tend to joke about feeling guilty about not being catholic enough. Most of the people I hung out with who were catholic would give one hail Mary, apologize to Jesus, then do the sin we were going to do anyway. They tended to be way more laid back to life and a lot more forgiving to anyone. Some of my evangelical peers though would cringe and even condem anything fun we were doing. I've lost some friends over Pokémon.

The Catholic church might be an evil organization but at least many of the people in it were very laid back. A lot of my Pm peers didn't havethe holier than thou attitude. My wife grew up evangelical and I would go to their church every once in a while. Each time I went it got emptier and emptier. They are chasing young people away. My nephews hate going because they thinks the pastor is so angry. The message they preach is you should love God with all your might and he will love you back. But their actions say that you will never be good enough for him

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u/I-Make-Maps91 5d ago

The Catholics had their edgy phase already, they've settled into contented middle age.

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u/Agent_Burrito 5d ago

Not only that but we're already bleeding support and the long term prospects of our faith don't look good as things stand. Do these idiots not realize we may not have a Church anymore if they keep going with this bullshit?

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u/redbadger1848 5d ago

They don't care, if you were to go over to the Catholic sub and tell them this, they'd be all for martyring themselves and the church itself so long as the right people get punished as well.

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u/verasev 5d ago

If you look at what they're doing objectively, you can see this has little to do with religion. They aren't banning abortion because God says so, that's just the excuse and cover. If they were genuinely pro-life and wanting to support more children they wouldn't keep trying to defund public schools, public school lunches, SNAP, and WIC. Banning abortion and tearing down the social safety net can only be about one thing: using pregnancy and children to drive people into crushing poverty so they will have to accept shit wages and shit working conditions out of desperation. You Christians are being taken advantage of by the semi-secret pro-corporate aims of the Republican leadership. This isn't a matter of faith, it's about the money.

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u/thyme_of_my_life 5d ago

My own grandmother told me I was going to hell when I was 7, and then every year till she died. I was raised Catholic and am non practicing now, she was Southern Baptist.

When I was younger she would cry and wail, and one memorable instance of her trying to secretly get me “saved”, or dunked in a pool of water by some random old man and then told to rejoice. My aunt had to pull me from the baptism procession once my grandmother admitted that my mom and dad were not aware that she was having me initiated into her church.

By the time I was 14 she just told me that I deserved whatever torment was coming to me for my “malicious and sinful” ways.

Yeah, I don’t miss her.

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u/SergeantChic 5d ago

Chick Tracts always had an…interesting perspective on Catholics.

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u/PandaJesus 5d ago

Jack Chick had a lot of interesting perspectives.

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u/Former-Drink209 5d ago

Yes, it's pretty coo-coo for any Catholic to join into an alliance giving evangelicals power but their loyalty is to politics above their Catholicism.

They think they are one and the same but of course this is idolatry of a kind.

It just handily helped them get appointed because Federalist Society likes the Catholics the best.

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u/digiorno 5d ago

It wasn’t that long ago that Irish, Italian, Spanish and Mexican immigrants were considered to be a sub class in America. Some of my older living relatives remember being discriminated against in their childhood and adolescence.

There were even immigration bans from some of those countries. And as I said, racism against them was prevalent. A big part of that hate was that they were thought to be Catholics, because Catholicism was very popular in those nations.

So it wouldn’t be surprising at all if people with those ancestries were suddenly considered subhuman again by a Christofascist regime.

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u/FuttleScish 5d ago

A Christofascist state would implode immediately after being founded as everyone accuses each other of heresy

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u/compoundfracture Oregon 5d ago

There’s no hatred quite like Christian love

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u/duck_one 5d ago

I would say the worst in the history of the nation. These decisions are in stark contrast to what most Americans want for our society, much more so than previous controversial decisions.

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u/Joecool914 Pennsylvania 5d ago

I mean... it's bad, but it's not Dred Scott bad.

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u/ASharpYoungMan 5d ago

Give 'em time.

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u/duck_one 5d ago

My point is that a LOT of Americans at the time were fine with Dred Scott.

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u/CommitteeOfOne Mississippi 5d ago

Didn't Thomas's opinion today cite to Dred Scott?

EDIT: Not quite. He used it to refer to Justice Taney's desire to keep weapons out of the hands of freed slaves.

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u/Konukaame 5d ago

Don't forget that states can ban books and words, too.

Children have prepare for the day they get murdered in their classroom, but we can't possibly let Little Timmy mention their two dads. That's going too far.

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u/The_Starving_Autist 5d ago

apparently that's god's will?

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u/PandaJesus 5d ago

Imagine god making you gay and then punishing you for being gay.

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u/GameFreak4321 4d ago

Same kind of bullshit as the apple.

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u/JdFalcon04 Pennsylvania 4d ago

The exact thought that really got me started questioning so much of what I grew up believing

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u/Revolutionary_Sun438 5d ago

It’s all part of god’s plan sweaty

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u/Plump_Chicken Texas 5d ago

The typo makes this so much more funny.

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u/bigfatstickman 5d ago

Can a State really ban the sale of a book in the USA?

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u/paper_tastes_good 5d ago

Basically no. When you hear about "book bans", it's usually a government funded school district choosing to remove, or just not stock, certain books in their libraries. The only thing that I know of that is actually banned is child sex abuse material. Just about everything else would be protected by the first amendment (of the US constitution/bill of rights.)

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u/Nickdangerthirdi 5d ago Helpful All-Seeing Upvote Wearing is Caring

Because America is the land of gun care and health control

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u/toofpick 5d ago

Read this in the voice of the ghost of George Carlin.

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u/mmahowald 5d ago

because SCOTUS is just a bunch of political hacks at this point. thats it. no "reading the constitution". no "originalism". just "how can we bend this as right-ward as possible?"

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u/0tanod 5d ago

Who's ready to watch them over turn an election?

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u/No-Independence-165 5d ago

Again?

I wasn't a fan of it in 2000.

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u/equatorbit 5d ago

And yet, no rioting and trying to murder elected leaders for a result we didn’t like.

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u/Sceptix 5d ago

The 2000 election was stolen and people just shrugged their shoulders and said “oh well”.

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops 5d ago

I remember when this happened.

I was a kid but I was still just totally shocked.

“How could something SO important not be clear cut?”

And then Bush won.

And it was like, “Well, darn. Anyways, I’m gonna go look up some AOL keywords and see what this Enron is all about…”

The world would be a different place.

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u/ansquaremet Illinois 5d ago

The world is so fucked right now that thinking of the Enron scandal makes me weirdly nostalgic.

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u/GSXRbroinflipflops 5d ago

It’s almost charming now.

They were just stealing hundreds of millions of dollars back then.

They weren’t on Twitter trying to stir shit to increase stock prices.

Sure, they put out ads and spread word around but, they didn’t have “stans” and bots magnifying it all.

Look up all the Bernie Madoff stuff too.

Another legendary financial crime. And he’s still serving. It’s like a 99 year sentence or something like that.

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u/runnerswanted 5d ago

Bernie Madoff died over a year ago…

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u/DefaultSubSandwich 5d ago

Laughs in Bush v Gore

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u/Murderyoga 5d ago

Who needs them? Didn't you hear, the vice president gets to make the final decision on who won the election.

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u/lukin187250 5d ago

That's not what they were trying to do, they were trying to derail the normal process in order to try to trigger a contingent election in congress. Idea being of course this court will sign off on it.

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u/mmahowald 5d ago

yeah... that trick is old hat. im waiting to see how they manage to justify declaring Christianity the state religion

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u/grimatongueworm 5d ago

It's going to go like this, "Of course states have the right to disregard the will of their voters, throw out the slate of electors determined by a free and fair election, and submit a totally valid ballot of hand-picked political hacks who will gladly vote to preserve minority rule."

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u/lukin187250 5d ago

It's exactly the plan, in 24 Republican held state legislatures will just withhold their electors, intentionally. The goal is simple, trigger a contingent election in congress because they control 26 states. You bet your ass this court will put a nice bow of legitimacy on that and that's it folks, coup is already done and over. There will never be another legitimate election for President ever again in the United States.

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u/Hippey31 5d ago

And the electoral college will end up being the downfall of democracy. Just count the damn votes and the person with more wins. Voila, election can’t be stolen through procedural chicanery.

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u/digiorno 5d ago

If they have both houses of congress then nothing is stopping them. They’d have to be confident the military and police would comply but other than that there is no real barrier.

Hell they could just keep impeaching people from the executive branch until the line of succession gets down to the speaker of the house. And basically any citizen is allowed to be named speaker, they don’t even have to be an incumbent representative of a state.

Theoretically all they have to do is impeach the president, Vice President and name whomever they want…

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u/gambit700 California 5d ago

Insert First Time? meme

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u/LegacyAngel 5d ago

You are clearly too young to remember 2000

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u/bebop-2021 5d ago Helpful

This title just seems false. From what I understand, SCOTUS made all states "shall issue", which doesnt take away regulatory process of getting a permit. It just guarantees that, if one does go through the process and passes, they are issued a permit without being denied for arbitrary reasons.

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u/Saxit Europe 5d ago

Correct.

Shall issue = there is a list of requirements (it can be short, it can be long, that's irrelevant for the case), if you fulfill the requirement you get the permit.

May issue = there is a list of requirements (it can be short, it can be long, that's irrelevant for the case), if you fullfil the requirement AND your local LEO likes you, you get the permit.

The case has nothing to do with how you buy guns.

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u/5-0prolene 5d ago

Exactly. In US law ‘shall’ equals ‘must’, ‘may’ equals ‘may or may not’. Shall = required to, may = discretion to.

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u/SheeEttin America 5d ago

I mean it's pretty clearly defined in RFC 2119

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u/SignorJC 5d ago

the current laws in NY and NJ essentially make it impossible. It's not based on any objective standard. In this case "may" means "will not." "Shall" means you can still create criteria that will exclude people.

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u/GeauxAllDay Louisiana 5d ago edited 5d ago Starry Helpful (Pro)

The plain answer- Guns are specifically protected by the constitution and Abortion is not.

Though, I disagree with that answer bc the 9th Amendment provides protection for rights that may not be enumerated in the constitution. Abortion should be protected as a right to privacy and it does not have to be specifically mentioned in the constitution to be protected.

That being said, I agree with the ruling on CCW permits. I do not think you should be forced to provide a reason to obtain a CCW. If you are eligble for it (Pass a background check, take a class and pass it, obtain licensure) you should be able to obtain the license. I know this is reddit, and this take won't be generally liked here, it doesn't change the fact that this was the right ruling here. However they are extremely wrong on abortion.

Edit: the support here was unexpected, lol

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u/spicy-d 5d ago

Why did I have to scroll for this?

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u/GeauxAllDay Louisiana 5d ago

Mainly for the following reasons 1. It’s hard to find pro-gun and pro-abortion people nowadays, though we aren’t that uncommon. 2. This sub tends to not like guns a lot, and it was my understanding that they did not agree with this ruling here, to which I apparently overestimated.

My guess is that, while my karma is in the positive here, there are still people who don’t agre

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u/confuseddhanam 4d ago

I actually strongly disagree with the “guns are specifically protected” in the context of concealed carry. If you look at the text of the 2nd amendment: “a well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

Perhaps it’s your opinion that that includes conceal carry permits, but I see nothing there that makes it unambiguously so. There’s interpretation room there - that has historically been kicked to the states to some degree.

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u/tigernike1 5d ago

I’ve tried to argue if they can’t regulate guns, why can they regulate voting?

They’re both written in the constitution.

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u/Old-Feature5094 5d ago

States can regulate firearms. Once you fulfill the requirements, the permit is shall issue. No laws were abrogated except one originally put in place , back 1911, to deny .. take a guess who ?

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u/lollersauce914 5d ago

Because the court is foolishly about to rule that the implied right to privacy in matters of personal intimacy by the constitution doesn't exist.

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u/AtheistBibleScholar 5d ago

If only there was an amendment in the Bill of Rights that said anything we didn't specifically say here is still reserved for us.

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u/ety3rd 5d ago Wholesome

It is truly a mystery to me as to why the Ninth isn't one of the most highly cited amendments in case histories.

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u/AtheistBibleScholar 5d ago

The response is generally something like "Well they wouldn't have let it be something like that!" which is BS because they left the Constitution open for us to amend however we want. They wouldn't have liked women voting, Black people being citizens, or senators elected by popular vote.

I'm right with you though. Every time I hear "Where's the right to an abortion/healthcare/a living wage/to vote/etc" my answer is the 9th amendment.

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u/mredofcourse I voted 5d ago

Remember all those years when Republican Presidents appointed SCOTUS justices without a litmus test on abortion. Remember how they all said things like RvW was settled law or that they couldn't comment on hypothetical cases? They were "strict constructionists", which means they take a strict literal only definition of the Constitution. There's nothing in it that specifically says the words, "the government can't ban abortion". Likewise it doesn't say anything about prohibiting gay marriage, sodomy (even straight BJs), interracial marriage, etc...

Those Republican Presidents, and the Senators who approved the nominations... they were voted into office during elections where much of the country didn't even participate.

If you like freedom and having the government out of your personal life...

Vote. Volunteer. Donate.

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u/pathogen6 4d ago

They've had 50 years since the roe decision to codify it into law and they haven't. The other is an enumerated right in the bill of rights. That's your difference.

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