r/todayilearned Jun 28 '22 Wholesome 1 Silver 1

TIL El Chapo’s wife Emma Coronel was sentenced to 3 years in prison for assisting her husband in his criminal enterprise. A minimum sentence of 10 years was originally planned. Government rumours assure her cooperation. Her life is now at risk, as the cartel does not forgive traitors or suspectes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/30/emma-coronel-aispuro-el-chapo-wife-sentenced-us-prison
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u/aleph_zeroth_monkey Jun 28 '22

"I ain't telling you nothin'. I ain't no rat."

"Look, Jimmie, either you start talking or we release you with a 2 year suspended sentence."

"You can't do that to me! I know the minimum sentencing laws! I ain't going down for less than 5!"

"The judge is a close person friend of mine, Jimmie. He can be very "lenient" when there's scum like you involved."

"All right, all right, I'll talk. I'll talk, you bastard. But I want my lawyer in here with a plea deal for 6+ years - in writing - before I say another fuckin' word."

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u/ClownfishSoup Jun 28 '22

"Include a list of the gang captains and we'll throw in a black eye as a bonus"

"OK, OK, give me a split lip too, with a lot of blood"

"Well, I dunno, in that case, we're gonna need more names then"

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u/mzchen Jun 28 '22

"Damn, you really fucked him up in there, Chief."

"He was asking for it, don't feel sorry for him"

"Still, aren't there like, laws against that?"

"No, I meant he was literally asking for it. We only torture by consent here."

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u/Newtons_Cradle87 Jun 28 '22

I’d take my chances with the government thank you. Have you seen funkytown?

Joking aside if you haven’t, don’t! It will alter your life for the worst, even if you’re an edge lord, it will affect you eventually.

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u/Cuddlyzombie91 Jun 29 '22

If you're telling people to not watch something, why would you even bring it up to begin with?

Everyone knows you're better off in the hands of anyone but the cartel. Enough said.

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u/lakewood2020 Jun 29 '22

The cartel is scary business. By the way, nobody should google blue waffle or lemon party, it will affect you eventually

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u/bobert4343 Jun 28 '22

He's just a masochist playing the long game

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u/tiasaiwr Jun 28 '22

Plot twist: if a witness against the cartel isn't cooperating, reduce their sentence so the cartel think they cut a deal. Then they really start having to cooperate to stay out of gen-pop.

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u/getbeaverootnabooteh Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

Homicide cops in Washington DC tried to question an alleged gang member over a murder. He refused to talk even though they held and tried to question him for a long time. The story goes the cops threatened to tell people he snitched if he refused to cooperate, which would probably get him killed by his gang. But the guy still refused to talk.

Afterwards the guy went back to the police station with a gun to kill the homicide detective in retaliation. When he got into the station he asked for directions to the homicide unit office, but someone directed him to the cold case homicide office instead, so the cop he wanted wasn't there.

But he ended up shooting and killing 2 FBI agents who were in the cold case office, as well as a DC city cop. He got shot and wounded by one of the cops in the process, though, and then committed suicide before more cops came to kill or arrest him.

I don't have the guy's name now, but I'll get it.

Edit: His name was Bennie Lee Lawson, Jr. This happened in 1994.

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u/waiver Jun 28 '22

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u/Midpack Jun 28 '22

In typical cop fashion, after the shooting, other officers pulled the two wounded officers out and LEFT THE WOUNDED 15-YEAR OLD TO CRAWL OUT ON HIS OWN before locking the suspect in the room.

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u/DarneldemaSilverStar Jun 29 '22

I feel like some cops act like they're a separate species from everyone else

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u/ItsBitterSweetYo Jun 29 '22

They are their own brand of a mob. Many of them are more corrupt than those that they arrest. They have no problems taking bribes from drug dealers and looking the other way. Hell it's so easy to do and who wouldn't want the extra cash. I've known many small town cops who looked the other way for their friends and their friends wives. My next door neighbor was a detective and his wife would come home drunk and barely able to park her vehicle. After she had a baby she was a prisoner and rarely ever left the house. He would come home several times a day and I believe he was checking up on her. She seemed like she was abused. I caught him pouring the used oil from his Harley on our fence line. I asked him what osha would have to say about that. He looked shocked.

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u/DarneldemaSilverStar Jun 29 '22

Woah that last part is kinda insane. I hope his wife's ok.

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u/jakwnd Jun 28 '22

Sheesh.

They threatened him and he wasn't having it

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u/Ickyson Jun 28 '22

That’s exactly it. Fear of cops and jail and the “big bad law” don’t mean shit when someone who knows your address, entire family, etc etc can kill everyone you love before you even know it’s done.

Let’s be real, cops threats are empty and weak compared to real criminals lmfao

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u/GreatGooglyMoogly077 Jun 28 '22

If you're willing to throw your life away you do a LOT of damage before it comes time to pay the tab.

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u/Wait__Whut Jun 28 '22

Tell that to the people who have their lives ruined by the cops lying.

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u/LordBinz Jun 29 '22

Yes, thats bad, but whats worse is someone torturing and murdering your entire family.

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u/lokregarlogull Jun 28 '22

The videos of cops scaring me isn't them threating, it's them beating and shooting people who ARE cooperating, or literally just existing.

Edit: Hell, they even shot one of their own during a litteral sting.

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u/Feezec Jun 28 '22

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u/robertducky87 Jun 29 '22

The messed up part all they would say on TV (I live in socal) is he was grappling with another officer and he fell and landed in a 1 in a million way that caused damage . Now it was a mob simulation?

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u/flamingomanager Jun 28 '22

It really does seem like they almost exclusively use force on harmless or cooperative people. Anyone dangerous they try to scare away with their lights and if they don't scurry off the call for back up and wait for the dangerous person to come out cooperatively or kill themselves.

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u/FjorgVanDerPlorg Jun 28 '22

Bullies punch down, because they are afraid of getting punched back.

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u/heresmyownthrowaway Jun 29 '22

You tell that to the people who spend life in prison for a crime they didn’t commit

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u/TH3T4LLTYR10N Jun 29 '22

holy crap, this is some straight up The Wire/We Own This City kind of sh*t.

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u/Hakeem_dreamshaking Jun 28 '22

Wow not all heroes wear capes

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u/Double_Hyphen Jun 28 '22

That's like a TV storyline

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u/MattyEC Jun 28 '22

That is a TV storyline. Multiple TV shows in fact.

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u/nonlawyer Jun 28 '22

They use this trick in every Law and Order episode that involves a gang or organized crime

Like it happens so often that I imagine someone getting let out early and telling his gang-mates “yeah they’re just doing that thing again they do all the time where they’re trying to make y’all think I snitched”

“For real? That’s the third time this week. We cool.”

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u/awsamation Jun 28 '22

Then eventually it switches and the gang only trusts people who get reduced sentences. Because a full term means you cooperated in order to look like you didn't.

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u/awsamation Jun 28 '22

Wrong comment?

I was just talking about the tv trope version of this. Not making any comment on her, her crimes, or her punishment.

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u/flamingfungi Jun 28 '22

It’s one of those accounts that copies comments and randomly leaves them as a reply elsewhere in the thread.

https://reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/vmlj21/_/ie3grak/?context=1

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u/Leland_Stamper Jun 28 '22

The best was (unsurprisingly) The Wire

https://youtu.be/rN7pkFNEg5c

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u/Don_Helsing Jun 28 '22

Really is one of the best shows ever made.

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u/sephstorm Jun 28 '22

I think it was done in SOA or Mayans.

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u/Conyewu Jun 28 '22

They do it on Tokyo Vice as well. The Yakuza don't take snitching lightly.

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u/Cuchillos_Adios Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

They take their pinky promises seriously.

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u/akujiki87 Jun 28 '22

This show was such a nice surprise. Cant wait for season 2.

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u/lilbithippie Jun 28 '22

The DA paid off opies debts too. Hence the hit job by accident on his wife

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u/pm_yo_bacon Jun 28 '22

The ATF did that to make the SOA turn on Opie

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u/WuTangEsquire Jun 28 '22

It's also real life lol I've represented a fair deal of people who actually did turn around and become government informants. Usually, we try to keep these deals under the table (communicate with the prosecutor through calls rather than emails, seal the courtroom for pleas etc) because shit can get very real. There was one time where about a month after a CI snitched, gang members shot up his home with his WIFE AND CHILD inside. Everyone survived but sheesh...

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u/Davecasa Jun 28 '22

Breaking Bad did it as well.

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u/ThatOneWeirdName Jun 28 '22

It’s gotta be in the majority of crime shows if they last long enough

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u/Calijhon Jun 28 '22

Right? Cops or prison guards call you a snitch.... So you would snitch.

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u/ClownfishSoup Jun 28 '22

Yes "Trope" is the word you're thinking;

Tough guy: I'll never talk

Cop: OK, boys let him go!

Tough guy: But wait, why are you letting me go? They'll think I ratted them out!

Cop: OK then talk and we'll keep you here then!

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u/BoilerMaker11 Jun 28 '22

This exact storyline is why Opie's wife got killed in Sons of Anarchy

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u/Riaayo Jun 28 '22

In that it's a very "fuck morality or rules, we beat the bad guys by breaking the rules" - which is a really disgusting trend in law enforcement media because it perpetuates a really gross culture.

The amount of times fuckers torture a terrorist to get what they need because "screw the rules" when we know that shit doesn't even work is appalling. And it just helps normalize real world abuse of power and skirting of the law.

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u/basketofseals Jun 28 '22

I remember seeing a show where I saw one of the lead protagonists try to break the law like 5 times. There was trying to lead someone to say something that would get a mistrial, bullying a witness including threats of deportation, retaliatory threats against someone's legal council just because they were trying to maintain confidentiality, and I'm sure there were multiple instances of deals being done "off the record."

I could not fathom how I was supposed to cheer for this woman.

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u/givemeyours0ul Jun 28 '22

GirlBoss #StrongWoman #GettinItDone

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u/silly_calf Jun 28 '22

This happens on "Undercover", a dutch series on Netflix.

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u/dr_bluthgeld Jun 28 '22

Great show.

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u/nighteeeeey Jun 28 '22

tv storylines got it from real life police work. its a real thing. fbi doesnt fuck around.

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u/42Ubiquitous Jun 28 '22

In my city, the police will let suspects go quickly when they want their gang to retaliate against them. Doesn’t happen all the time, but it does happen.

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u/ClownfishSoup Jun 28 '22

Then as they let the suspect out the door, one cop yells very loudly "OK! So ... we'll see you on Wednesday then, right?! Don't forget the recordings!"

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u/ElGuano Jun 28 '22

Hold a press release extolling what an example they've been in their open collaboration. "let this be a model to the rest of you gangfolk!" Then open the front door and invite them to step outside.

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u/DragonBank Jun 28 '22

If you don't cooperate we are going to set you free. If you cooperate we will give you five years.

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u/ClownfishSoup Jun 28 '22

"Make it 20 years and you've got a deal"

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u/LuangPrabangisinLaos Jun 28 '22

Cops do a sort of equivalent. They'll know a mule is moving a large shipment of cocaine, like a kg, on their person in city limits. They grab him in an unmarked van, take the kg of coke, then kick him out of the van to let the streets do their work for them.

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u/Gucci_Google Jun 28 '22

God cops are such scum, setting people up to get tortured to death because they're too lazy to fill out their fucking paperwork

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u/9xInfinity Jun 28 '22

Here in Canada we had cops in Saskatoon who would pick up Indigenous people, and if they didn't want to deal with the paperwork/etc. they'd just drop them off in the middle of nowhere during winter so the person would freeze to death. They called them "starlight tours".

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u/absentmindedjwc Jun 28 '22

because they're too lazy to fill out their fucking paperwork

It's not about the paperwork.. it's about them selling it themselves.

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u/Moessenpay Jun 28 '22

On the other hand this is a cartel member or was in close association to them, so I really don't feel bad for her

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u/conquer69 Jun 28 '22

A lot of mules are being coerced. You would also do what the cartels tell you if your family is threatened.

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u/ITaggie Jun 28 '22

According to the police, sure...

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u/scrufdawg Jun 28 '22

This was El Chapo's wife... The police's opinion has no bearing on that.

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u/nightcracker Jun 28 '22

What do they do with the 500 grams of coke?

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u/Mackem101 Jun 28 '22

Well they have to be careful handling 250g of coke.

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u/KingWhipsy Jun 28 '22

I heard they submit the 125g of coke into evidence.

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u/Icyrow Jun 28 '22

same shit joke in every single thread involving drugs.

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u/Bigdonkey512 Jun 28 '22

This is real, I worked in several prisons and have used this tactic successfully for a long time. When you need info on a murder or rape in a facility, gloves are off.

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u/Relganis Jul 01 '22

So you become a criminal to catch one. I bet your hands are just as bloody as those you pursue. Damn hypocrite

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u/julbull73 Jun 28 '22

And this is likely EXACTLY what happened.

In the end, given the location, a lot of government officials got access to large bank accounts, El Chapo's wife gets killed.

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u/releasethedogs Jun 28 '22

El Chapo's wife gets killed.

whomp whomp

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u/kriza69-LOL Jun 28 '22

How can police reduce your sentence?

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u/alonjar Jun 28 '22

By making deals with the DA. There really isnt a limit to the amount of discretion that can be applied to legal cases when the proper leverage is applied. There are always options available, one way or another.

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u/Peterdavid12345 Jun 28 '22

Reverse psychology.

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u/Phenomenon101 Jun 28 '22

I wish they'd understand what hypocrits they are. Not just the wife, but the people in cartels in general. They sell each other out and step over each other for even the slightest bit of money or power. They give zero fucks about each other. The whole "traitor" idea is just the same tactic used when the mafia was around. And you know what? Almost ALL of them were traitors in one way or another. It's a joke.

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u/lokregarlogull Jun 28 '22

Every structure where you can't foster trust and cooperation is going to suffer from backstabbing and harsh office politics. I think it's much closer to say both sides know it's not turning that's the issue, it's getting caught doing it.

Regardless it looks like a rough life where you're more likely to end up dead or in jail than ever get a retirement.

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u/wolahipirate Jun 28 '22

thats why drugs need to be legalized.

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u/lokregarlogull Jun 28 '22

Yeah uhm, for me it's not as much about a gangster who chooses the life in spite of other oportunites, but rather that you'd save the population from the horrors of gangsters by having a legal and strictly regulated market.

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u/motorhead84 Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

And with legalization comes one of the true weapons against addiction: negative social stigma attached to usage. When you stand to lose* your social support network in order to use drugs, it becomes far less desirable.

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u/XchrisZ Jun 29 '22

Fun fact after Canada legalized marijuana and the legal stuff got easy to buy at the stores gun crime in my city went up. Turns out drug dealers who were selling marijuana needed to switch products and those other products seem to require more violence.

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u/wolahipirate Jun 29 '22

as expected. so legalize it all so that violent people have no economic capability to commit violence.

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u/5-dig-dick Jun 28 '22

Portugal literally legalized all drugs and things are going very well for them in that regard.

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u/AlphaOC Jun 29 '22

They're not legal, they're decriminalized. It's like littering. It's not legal to throw your drink cup on the ground, but the worst that will happen to you is you will receive a fine. If you're caught with drugs for personal use, they are confiscated. You do not get a criminal record. If you are caught more than once you may be fined and referred to drug counseling (voluntary). They've been successful because they're treating it a public health and harm-reduction issue rather than a criminal justice issue.

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u/LeftHookLarry1 Jun 29 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

Exactly. Everyone always brings up Portugal in threads like this as if there drugs are sold in stores. They’re still illegal, you can’t just buy cocaine and heroin. You just don’t go to jail if caught with small amounts that are obviously for personal use. They also enforce treatments and detoxing on people caught with drugs instead of jail or large fines.

In Portugal, drugs are sold by drug dealers with the same cartel links as any other country in Europe and North America, decriminalization of small quantities did not address the cartel/gang/gangster problem.

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u/Yourgrammarsucks1 Jun 28 '22

How come they're not famous for drugs then? Amsterdam is, but not them.

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u/the_con Jun 29 '22

Amsterdam has a regulated weed industry. Everything else comes in because the people are there for it.

Portugal isn’t selling weed in licensed stores and there’s no drug tourism. Decriminalisation is to focus on treatment for heroin addicts and not punishing them, and it’s a sensible policy for most other substances too

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u/thebastardoperator Jun 29 '22

Fuck that I don’t want more people running around on meth

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u/GreenColoured Jun 28 '22

Or you know...not deal in illegal substance? Is that so hard?

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u/starm4nn Jun 28 '22

That's exactly what they're doing

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u/BigSwedenMan Jun 28 '22

I don't think they care about the principal of it. They aren't killing because they betrayed, they do it so that people keep their mouths shut.

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u/dark_nv Jun 28 '22

No honor among thieves

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u/mr_ji Jun 28 '22

People watch too many movies and assume there's no trust or forgiveness in criminal organizations. Like any other business, the replaceable people will be replaced but those with proven worth get some slack. And having something to hold over someone's head so they don't fuck up again is a great incentive.

In her case, however, with El Chapo out of the picture, her value versus liability probably plummeted.

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u/millmuff Jun 28 '22

Those in power are not oblivious to this for a second. You're acting like thise in power don't understand that they're hypocrites? They created the hierarchy, I assure you they know exactly how it goes. The whole concept is just used to keep people in line. The concept is not designed for the higher ranking members.

It's like being a priest, politician, etc. You don't legitimately need to believe what you teach, you just do it to keep the followers in line and assure your own position. When it comes to staying in power and self preservation, absolutely no one at your level expects any different because they understand the role.

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u/Angdrambor Jun 28 '22

It's not really hypocrisy. That's just how that type of organization works. You'll see the same in the Trump org or Twitter or Tesla. The top guys always act in their own interests, and they expect all their little minions will also each be acting in their own interests. it's a hierarchy, not a team. Disposing of disloyal minions is just one way of creating an incentive structure.

"Traitor!" is just the noise they make when they've reached the limits of their incentive structure.

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u/Sega-Playstation-64 Jun 28 '22

I mean, that's still the definition of hypocrisy. Decrying something while being guilty of it yourself. Commonplace hypocrisy doesn't absolve it.

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u/RHJfRnJhc2llckNyYW5l Jun 28 '22

Lol this exchange reminds me of the show 'Peacemaker' where the dad in jail says something like, "I may have given the government information on my associates in exchange for a reduced sentence, but that doesn't make me a rat."

"That's the DEFINITION of rat"

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u/cssegfault Jun 28 '22

Lol wtf was that argument even. Literally shuffled words around to re-confirm what hypocrisy means.

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u/bi0nicman Jun 28 '22

Yeah lol. Just because they know they're being hypocritical doesn't mean they're no longer being hypocritical.

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u/WTFparrot Jun 28 '22

That’s just how Redditors are. You know that kid in class that likes to correct everyone on the smallest things, is pedantic over trivial details, and is just a contrarian. Reddit is where they all come to unleash that itch. Even agreeing with someone has to come in the shape of a disagreement.

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u/Sega-Playstation-64 Jun 28 '22

Not ALL Redditors man!

Wait no fuck

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u/ClownfishSoup Jun 28 '22

Gavin Newsom, governor of CA : So we are going to ban all public gatherings, close restaurants and everyone must wear a mask!

THE NEXT DAY: Photo of Gavin Newsome at "The French Laundry" high end restaurant, with no mask, seated at a table of 20 people, shoulder to shoulder, including the state's top medical directors.

Laws are for peons, not the elite.

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u/BePart2 Jun 28 '22

That was bad optics, but he was following the rules. It was an outdoor restaurant that anyone could have went to with only close associates.

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u/Magellanic_Cloudz Jun 28 '22

I wouldn't say they're hypocrites. They're pretty open about being monsters.

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u/DracoOccisor Jun 28 '22

You’ve discovered the secret of morality in general!

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u/vectran Jun 28 '22

Breaking news, greedy people are greedy. This is exactly why I won’t work at Meta, people go there for the money alone, and I refuse to work with those people.

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u/DropsyMumji Jun 28 '22

As Jesus says "Let her who is without sin cast the first stone" and these mfs will bring a whole quarry just to "prove" that they're not traitors

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u/MrKittenz Jun 28 '22

Everybody in prison rats for reduced time. There is literally no honor amongst thieves

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u/Helstar_RS Jun 28 '22

A girl who lived in my town and I went to school with during elementary school middle school and high school was killed in a bus jacking around 2012 in Mexico. Her and one of her sisters and mom were also killed along with some other people. She was only 18 or 19 I believe. Rip Karla Sanchez and everybody else killed onboard and all else who has to suffer from these ruthless people.

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u/WTFparrot Jun 28 '22

Condolences. This sounds like the San Fernando Massacre. One of the most horrifying things I have read about.

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u/Low_Entrepreneur_893 Jun 28 '22

Emma Coronel was born in Santa Clara, California, United States, near San Francisco, but grew up in Angostura, Sinaloa, a place with just a few dozen inhabitants in the northern region of Mexico known as “the Golden Triangle” of drug trafficking.

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u/violetmangomoon Jun 29 '22

Yeah her daddy was also cartel

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u/BettaGeorge Jun 28 '22

Government rumours? What the heck are government rumours?

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u/zomangel Jun 28 '22

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u/Flemtality 3 Jun 28 '22 Silver

TIL having title gore is just another Tuesday, but for some reason this post title specifically looks like something out of a Strong Bad email.

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u/mtftl Jun 28 '22

You deserve the award for mentioning Strongbad. I instantly read it again and can picture the little guy saying “suspect-ays”

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u/gabeasorus Jun 28 '22

Woah. Now I cannot not read the title in Strong Bad’s voice.

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u/Ok_Magician7814 Jun 28 '22

I can’t even imagine the things the cartel will do to her… the sheer level of sadistic torture they regularly do is astonishing

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u/cokeinator Jun 28 '22

Good, let them kill and torture each other, the less narcos the better.

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u/jondonbovi Jun 28 '22

This girl got married to an 50-something year old man when she turned 18. She's probably a victim of the cartel as well.

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u/stillherewondering Jun 28 '22

Fair enough and worth mentioning Indeed. But should also be mentioned that she allegedly organized his prison break/escape and much more.

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u/monsieurpommefrites Jun 28 '22

And has been living the life through their riches for the rest.

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u/Certain-Indication-7 Jun 29 '22

THIS! She's been on all the spanish shows fully supporting El Chapo & enjoying the limelight. Living lavishly with little regard to the lives ruined in Mexico.

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u/Awkward_moments 2 Jun 28 '22

I'm sure there is some winning hearts and minds message here.

When everyone hates everyone nothing gets better. It just gets worse.

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u/cokeinator Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It's easy for you to say that when you don't have to deal with these animals.

They are the reason we are a third world country, and the reason we have the 8 most dangerous cities, in the whole world.

More personally, they robbed me of my childhood.

When I was a kid I simply could not leave my house, not even during daylight, it just was not a question, if I were to venture outside my house I would most likely be kidnapped and never see my family again.

And not even your house was safe, because sometimes they would just break in and kidnap your whole family, and nobody could stop them.

They have extorted many family members on many occasions and took away my retired uncle's pension and whole life savings simply because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

They've even kidnapped friends that were up too late in the night, and some I've never seen or heard from again.

The worst part is they are worshipped here because they "are the good people that help fight against the tyranny of the goverment" (which they pay handsomely so they don't interfere with the business).

Just last month those bastards claimed the lives of around 2,500 people. That is 2,500 families that will be missing a father/mother/child/uncle/etc. and 2,500 people that are reduced to another statistic, in a month.

Currently there are entire states that are active warzones where shootouts between the many cartels trying to take control are common place, and traveling on highways is dangerous. They are known to set "checkpoints" close to the border, so they can take away everything you bought in the US to bring home, and sometimes they even take your car too.

And even after all that it's still not enough to explain all they vile shit they do with complete impunity.

I simply don't view them as humans, and they deserve nothing short of a culling and public hanging.

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u/5-dig-dick Jun 28 '22

Damn. Sorry you have to go through that.

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u/Red_Galiray Jun 28 '22

Lo lamentable es que si se tomaran medidas duras contra estos grupos inmediatamente salta gente a llorar por ellos y los "derechos humanos". Mira a Bukele, que le tratan de dictador por poner orden, pero esas mismas organizaciones no hacen ni dicen nada cuando los delincuentes matan y torturan.

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u/omnigear Jun 28 '22

Exactly ,

I wish we would just bomb them out of existence

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u/alumniac Jun 28 '22

New season of ozark sweet

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u/RedWhiteAndBlackCrab Jun 28 '22

You lie down with dogs and you're bound to get fleas.
I bet she loved living the lavish life before he was brought down.

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u/dishsoapandclorox Jun 28 '22

Honestly, in her case, she never really chose the life. Her father was a cartel member and I think he was even El Chapos chauffeur at one point. She was raised in the cartels and knew no other life. Also consider the fact that El Chapo, her dads boss, took liking to her. What could she have done? Reject his advances? I’m sure she loved the perks but there’s also an element of intimidation and internal politics that play into her choices. I’m not excusing her but she was probably trying to survive on some level.

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u/No-Job3724 Jun 28 '22

actually, her family lived on ranchos, at her 17 years old el chapo then 50 years old marries her, and her family starts working for him. In messages revealed during the trial el chapo treats her father like dirt. Her two brothers, her father and now her, are in prison because they worked for chapo. I think she was trying to survive and save her family.

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u/waiver Jun 28 '22

She was the niece of Ignacio Coronel Villarreal, the former number 3 of the Sinaloa Cartel. Her family was already involved in the cartel before El Chapo got the hots for her.

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u/tipdrill541 Jun 29 '22

This always happens on reddit. Someone comes in correcting another person with supreme confidence then someone like you comes along and corrects their correction

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u/dishsoapandclorox Jun 28 '22

Her dad was was “rancher” in name only. He had a “ranch” that was a cover for a pot and poppy farm. He was related to another high ranking drug lord and was pretty high ranking himself. She was born in San Francisco not on a ranch. I imagine she was born in the US due to business her dad had in the states. They weren’t average ranchers or poor farmers dragged into the business. Their ranch(es) were covers.

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u/BlaxicanX Jun 28 '22

This logic can be applied to literally every cartel member including el Chapo himself. At some point people need to accept that human beings have agency.

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u/McCorkle_Jones Jun 28 '22

My family is from El Salvador. My cousin was dating a girl who some MS13 member then wanted. Her family tried their hardest to get her out because the alternatives were she date the dude and god knows what happens or they kill her for rejecting a gang member.

Agency is great but the situation and real life consequences these women sometimes have to choose shows there’s no real agency. Either you die or you go for the ride or your family somehow manages to come up with 15,000 usd to have you cross the border.

The situations in South and Central America aren’t as clear cut as some Americans think. Shits fucked.

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u/SuperDuckMan Jun 28 '22

What ended up happening?

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u/McCorkle_Jones Jun 28 '22

I believe she was killed by MS13.

Since my cousin was dating her he also had a target on his head but my family mostly lives in the states and we had an aunt that basically bankrolls immigration to the states. So we got him out. Not too sure about the girl but from my understanding my cousin leaving kind of forced them to act. And the rest is kind of conjecture.

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u/SuperDuckMan Jun 28 '22

Fuck that sucks

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u/heresmyownthrowaway Jun 29 '22

Americans can have sympathy for the entire situation while denouncing drug cartels. Obviously we aren’t always able to get the whole picture and sometimes people are just born into shit but just because it’s complicated doesn’t mean we need to mention it. It’s the same for us, non-Americans love blaming “us” for everything (even if it doesn’t compare to the cartels) when it very clearly isn’t everyone in the states. Shit is definitely fucked.

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u/dishsoapandclorox Jun 28 '22

True but El Chapo and many others weren’t born into the cartel is my point. But whatever I agree that she’s got more to answer for in this world and the next than most people.

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u/coldWasTheGnd Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

At some point people need to accept that human beings have agency.

That's actually the opposite of what the science is pointing towards; that is, what free will we do have, is incredibly limited.

I'm sure it's very convenient to think otherwise though.

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u/MoadSnake Jun 28 '22

not trying to be a dick, but do you got a source on that?

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u/PerpetualChild Jun 28 '22

what free will we do have, is incredibly limited.

You mention the science. From what I understand, we do quite literally nothing outside of what we were born (genes) and raised (environment) to do?

Has something new come up?

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u/gotdamnn Jun 28 '22

He married her on her 18th birthday, not like she had much choice

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u/WhatsThisRedButtonDo Jun 29 '22

So, the defense’s case banked heavily on the fact that her life is in danger, but she’ll still have custody of two small children?

The kind of role model parent who was okay enabling the trafficking of fentanyl to communities around the whole planet?

May she rot in hell with the rest of them.

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u/Pistolero921 Jun 29 '22

If she cooperated it was strategic and planned. Her husband was definitely aware and approved of her doing so. Do not be naive.

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u/chibinoi Jun 29 '22

Alas, I feel no sympathy for this woman. She’s reaped what she helped sow.

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u/yahma Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 29 '22

It's incredible that a woman who benefited immensely from murder, drugs and lawlessness. Who was caught illegally helping her husband, while living an absolute life of luxury, is viewed as a victim of the patriarchy by most of Reddit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 28 '22

if i had any pity left it would certainly not be for that.

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u/Imperial_President Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

This reddit post acting like the Sinaloa Cartel which is still run by El Chapo’s brother and sons care about whatever she told the US which will not amount to anything in the end like always.

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u/Onespokeovertheline Jun 28 '22

Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge of cartel operations with us.

TIL that when deciding who to torture and murder, these gentlemenly cartel leaders are highly discerning about the nature of information their former members provide to law enforcement, or about the jurisdiction in which it is provided.

I was under the naive impression that they considered any and all such snitching as grounds for full retribution.

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u/krycess Jun 28 '22

meanwhile my dad was sentenced to 30 years and served 15 for non-violence. this is whack and evokes seething fury. how can these kingpins get slapped on the wrist but my father gets crucified?

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u/jameiswinsaton Jun 28 '22

Because your father is probably not rich and powerful. I hope you are doing ok though, my father time had a huge impact on me and I'm still working through it.

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u/drygnfyre Jun 28 '22

Was your dad rich and well-connected? If no, that's the answer.

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u/I_AM_CANADIAN_AMA Jun 28 '22

Who would have thought the Cartels would be so violent and evil?

Anyways, who gives a fuck about El Chapos Wife. She is a piece of shit who profited off of the killings and murder of so many. She can rot in hell also.

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u/lokregarlogull Jun 28 '22

Someone else points out her dad was in the business and that she got married on her 18th bday. I don't doubt the perks where good, but we don't know to what extent grooming, implicit or explicit threats factor into it.

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u/121PB4Y2 Jun 28 '22

Narcoculture, buchona culture, etc is huge in Sinaloa. Kids dream of being sicarios, girls dream of being a buchona (narco wive).

It's like the trashy version of upper east side or whatever girls dreaming of the RHONY lifestyle.

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u/lokregarlogull Jun 28 '22

When you're little, money and power seems so shiny from the outside, a lot harder to beare when you know the amount of violence and blood involved. Some might also want to just not live in poverty, or end up like the victims.

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u/Global-Front-3149 Jun 28 '22

well, she's a drug lord's wife (i.e. a drug lord by association) - she made her bed...

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u/Matty_dee Jun 28 '22

Pretty sure they had a maid.

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u/drunkorkid56 Jun 28 '22

Why is that relevant?

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u/MiracleM4n Jun 28 '22

"she made her bed"

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u/drunkorkid56 Jun 28 '22

Thank you. I am not a smart person.

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u/henryhyde Jun 28 '22 edited Jun 28 '22

That is true, but to be fair, he met her when she was an 17 year old model. They "agreed" to marry the day they met. I am sure there was no pressure or implications there. I have a feeling she didn't have a lot to say in what happened to her.

edit: 17 not 18

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u/IdhrenBlue Jun 28 '22

It's much sadder than you'd think. Little girls around here dream of getting with people much, much lower on the food chain. And the local bosses, or "jefes de plaza" often call who wins the beauty pageants, which is pretty much what happened between them.

I really, really doubt that she would need to be pressured into anything. For a lot of people, these guys are Rockstars, legends, authority and community benefactors, all at once. How they got to be all that is close to irrelevant.

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u/RootHogOrDieTrying Jun 28 '22

a drug lord's wife (i.e. a drug lord lady by association

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u/GlennSeaborg Jun 28 '22

All I wanna be is El Chapo. 3 billion dollars in pesos. All I wanna be is El Chapo.

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u/kapanenship Jun 28 '22

Awe. Too bad.

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u/Raiseyourspoonforwar Jun 28 '22

This post is from the cartel, cryptically sending this reminder in case she's a redditor

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u/Broken_Noah Jun 28 '22

"Hi I'm El Chapo's wife AMA"

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u/Wildcat-Jim Jun 28 '22

Half of that cartel have already snitched. As long as she goes into witsec should be fine, but then again a low level snitch got blasted in PHX a few months ago. So who knows.

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u/Captainirishy Jun 28 '22

Still better than life without parole

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u/KeiraKnightleysTeeth Jun 28 '22

he groomed her since she was a teenager. i find it hard to believe that she would turn on him. also, he’s not going to let the mother of his children get killed.

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u/No-Job3724 Jun 28 '22

El chapo had his own cousin killed because he suspected her of working with the DEA, and messages came out during the trial where he repeatedly said that anyone who betrayed him would die. This girl was 17 when El chapo wanted her; he was 50. This girl's whole family is in prison for serving El chapo. I am not saying she is not at fault, but I think she was just trying to survive

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u/POWERBOTTUMFROMSPACE Jun 28 '22

Idk about that last part, cartels are scary

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u/lokregarlogull Jun 28 '22

Yeah, I don't think grooming means they won't ever turn on their abuser, and I can definitely imagine her taking a plea where her kids will be safe with the law, as opposed to the cartel might reach out and try to recruit.

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u/kapanenship Jun 28 '22

You assume he is sane

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u/ClownfishSoup Jun 28 '22

I have no sympathies for her. She enjoyed the rewards of crime. People are killed in horrible ways by the cartels for seemingly nothing. Why is she above their law? People were murdered and tortured to enrich he family. Now it's time to pay the piper.

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u/monsieurpommefrites Jun 28 '22

Lots of simps in this thread.

Bro, she's eating steaks bought with blood money.

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u/TidalPod Jun 28 '22

Who knew marrying a drug lord could be dangerous?

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u/V0dkafa11 Jun 28 '22

This is the life she chose.

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u/releasethedogs Jun 28 '22

Who fucking cares? One big sad trombone for you miss.

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u/flekkzo Jun 28 '22

TIL Cartel’s don’t forgive traitors like GOP does.

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u/Mag1cW1zard Jun 28 '22

So the first question is... Does she have any family still in Mexico?

If so.. they are going to be the first ones tortured, mutilated and killed.

And I have seen many, many examples of Narco revenge. Probably the sickest shit you can ever imagine, I've seen!

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u/supermom721 Jun 28 '22

Bye bye 👋🏻

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u/coffedrank Jun 28 '22

She gets what she deserves

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u/magico4dubs Jun 28 '22

Good fuck that hoe.