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U.S. readies new $1 billion Ukraine weapons package US internal politics

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/exclusive-us-readies-new-1-billion-ukraine-weapons-package-2022-08-05/

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u/HappySkullsplitter 8d ago

However, if signed in its current form, it would be valued at $1 billion and include munitions for HIMARS, NASAMS surface-to-air missile system ammunition, as many as 50 M113 armored medical transports and 100 of Cyberdyne Systems' new experimenal Model 101

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u/melandor0 7d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Sci-Fi Author: In my book I invented the Torment Nexus as a cautionary tale

Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus

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u/spacecoyote300 7d ago

What advantages does your torment nexus have over, say, a train, which I can also afford...

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u/DuskyDay 7d ago

The torment.

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u/DavidELD 7d ago

Just torment? Clearly you’ve never been on an Amtrak train.

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u/zanii 7d ago

Done the NY - DC route a few times. Can't complain.

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u/mermaidrampage 7d ago

The torment gently massages your buttocks while it kills you.

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u/bailaoban 7d ago

Now with 12% more torment!

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u/Suspicious-Fun-6943 7d ago

This is like when Boston Dynamics made a super advanced robot dog, said "don't you put weapons on it now" and then people went and did exactly that.

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u/Luisrm01 8d ago

Lmao "Model 101"

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u/VagrantShadow 8d ago

"My CPU is a neural-net processor; a learning computer. The more combat contact I have with russians, the more I learn"

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u/kiwi_commander 7d ago hehehehe

After fighting the Russians I have learned nothing.

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u/going_mad 7d ago

but i took a liking to love vodka, squat and wear adidas

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u/mulletpullet 7d ago

I need your Adidas, your valenki, and your voskhod. Now.

That'd be a funny look for arnold.

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u/Zeuce86 8d ago

Wait so does that mean the robot unlearns, getting dumber by the day.

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u/LurkingSpike 7d ago Bravo Grande!

We have purposely programmed him wrong, as a joke.

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u/lesser_panjandrum 7d ago

"The VDV is bleeding, making me the victor."

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u/got_outta_bed_4_this 7d ago

🎶 Terminal bell... terminal bell... cursor placement with terminal bell... 🎶

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u/Indiana911 7d ago

NO DISASSEMBLE!!!!

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u/Scarletfapper 7d ago

NUMBER JOHNNY FIVE IS ALIVE!

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u/Dezdood 7d ago

It means the robot will learn to attack someone, then bitch and moan that it is the victim.

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u/sigmoid10 7d ago

*cues T-800 voice*

"Why are you making me do this?"

"Stop hitting yourself!"

"I need your car, your gasoline and your bread."

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u/JBredditaccount 7d ago

"I had to get home to my transistors."

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u/whatisamame 8d ago

"... for the last time no I don't know a Sarah Connor. The Russians are over there!"

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u/Shurigin 8d ago

I was thinking of "You have 10 seconds to comply!"

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u/Uncle_Burney 8d ago Helpful

ED-209 was manufactured by OCP, Cyberdyne Systems model 101 was sent back in time to kill Sarah Connah wit de uzi nein millymeedah

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u/Shurigin 8d ago

I always get my megalomaniac large companies that develop temperamental AIs confused

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u/capodecina2 7d ago

Oooozeee nyne millymeedah

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u/PureLock33 8d ago

They know exactly what they're doing.

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u/Jimemac 8d ago

If we are giving Ukraine the 101 models, the liquid metal version is now the experimental one. Thems the rubber skin models.

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u/KrootLoops 8d ago

I mean, kinda. The model 101 is the actual robot part of the terminator without the skin. T-600s were the rubber skins and the T-800s (Arnold) were the ones with living tissue.

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u/sostopher 8d ago

Living tissue being a necessity for time travel also.

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u/FragrantExcitement 8d ago

Why didn't Skynet just wrap living tissue around a nuclear bomb?

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u/IronVader501 7d ago

I'd imagine randomly blowing up Cities with nuclear weaponry would alter the timeline a bit too much and randomly for Skynet

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u/LuangPrabangisinLaos 7d ago

Ok, then why'd didn't Skynet arm their t800 with a flesh covered Westinghouse M-25 40-watt Phased Plasma Pulse-Gun?

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u/SallysValleyPizzaSux 7d ago

This reminds me of the weird ‘pod’/bio-console from eXistenZ: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTJ7Q1eq7QMSPK6wUBz_W2JOetqKspgZINFhg&usqp=CAU

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u/Trashman82 7d ago

Lol i was gonna say, because then it would be a David Cronenberg movie

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u/CherryAreolas 7d ago

“Scrotum bomb”

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u/FragrantExcitement 7d ago

Shaved for aerodynamics?

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u/VanceKelley 8d ago

The outer layer of skin cells, nails and hair are actually dead tissue.

The movie would look a lot different if that stuff didn't luckily make it through the time transport!

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u/External-Platform-18 8d ago

Give me your clothes, your boots, and your toupee.

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u/Starfox-sf 7d ago

Edgar Suit

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u/MykeTyth0n 7d ago

Egger*

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u/Luisrm01 8d ago

Not sure who I'd be more scared for, us or them

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u/Rehnion 8d ago

Don't worry, we're in complete control of Cyberdyne System's "Skynet" ai, there's absolutely nothing to worry about.

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u/HappySkullsplitter 8d ago

Just push a button and Skynet takes care of everything

Easy Peasy

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u/dewaynemendoza 8d ago

It's CPU is a neural-net processor, a learning computer.

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u/Skov 8d ago

FYI, they named the AI that choses drone targets "Skynet". I wish I was joking.

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u/kiwi_commander 7d ago

No mention of plasma rifles in the 40 watt range?

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u/Zebidee 7d ago

Hey, just what ya see, pal.

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u/YiffZombie 7d ago

He doesn't even flinch when asked for something that obviously doesn't exist yet. Just responds like he's out of stock or something.

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u/Lawsoffire 7d ago

The Uzi nein millimeter.

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u/ddoogiehowitzerr 7d ago

With laser sighting

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u/VSWR_on_Christmas 7d ago

I've always wondered what 40 watts of plasma rifle power equates to. 40w is really not a lot of juice. I would expect 40kW or really 40MW, if we're talking about enough power to instantly vaporize a human sized target composed of mostly water.

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u/Nutbane 7d ago

The 40w is just the range, or how much juice to propel the phased plasma. The phased plasma ammo already has all the power it needs to vaporize a human.

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u/reddog323 7d ago

and 100 of Cyberdyne Systems' new experimenal Model 101

Whoa, whoa, hold the phone there. Let’s reconsider that last part.

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u/314kabinet 7d ago edited 7d ago

That last bit is not in the article. You made it up and everyone bought it!

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u/DuskyDay 7d ago

Wow, I can't believe I was tricked this easily... hang on, it's time for my daily dose of homeopathics.

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u/Zeuce86 8d ago

Damn we already on model 101, when/what was 1-100

Atleast we're a way aways from the 1000 timeline yet

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u/AnomalyNexus 8d ago

They need to start naming these things like hurricanes to keep track

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u/Jefferson-Steelflex1 7d ago edited 7d ago

Ah yeah. We are now tracking Aid package Ricky. It's picking up steam as it heads west thru the senate.

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u/HolyGig 8d ago

Not many if any countries can supply someone like the US is arming Ukraine lol.

Each of these aid packages has hundreds of thousands of 155mm artillery shells and at least 1000 HIMARS rockets (we don't actually know how many) along with countless other massive items like trucks, fuel, ammunition, drones etc. If you have any idea how much this stuff weighs you might be like "how in the fuck..." but the US just moves it all thousands of miles away seemingly effortlessly.

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u/TGVTHT 7d ago Gold

The US military is basically FedEx with guns and bombs.

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u/zero_z77 7d ago Gold

Nah, more like amazon. Piss them off and they will same day air a platoon of very angry and very heavily armed young men to your front door.

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u/yeetskeetleet 7d ago Gold

And just like amazon, all the people at the bottom of the ranks are incredibly exploited and are ALSO becoming increasingly difficult to scam into joining

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u/SrpskaZemlja 8d ago

Strategic airlifters, baby. This is their time to shine. Big fuck-off planes like the C-17 and C-5 that bring stupid amounts of stuff across large portions of globe.

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u/Heavy-Hunter-2847 8d ago

Can they fly them into Ukraine though?

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u/Scott4370 8d ago

I see a lot of them going into Ramstein and Warsaw. It has been fascinating to watch the C17s moving all over the globe. On some days there have been up to 15 planes in the air.

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u/DaBails 7d ago

How do you watch/track em?

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u/Scott4370 7d ago

Flightradar24 app and filter for type of plane, C17.

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u/Rygree10 8d ago

Don’t need to, fly them into nato bases in Poland and then ship in the supplies by land (train truck ect) just need to get it across the border then Ukrainian logistics can take it from there

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u/RohenDar 8d ago

I drive through germany and poland quite frequently and ever since the war started its convoy after convoy.

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u/Fine_Significance920 8d ago

Yup. That and non-stop planes flying over Wiesbaden.

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u/rollebob 7d ago

Lovely city. Went there a couple of times while living in the US airbase (not as a military).

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u/DarthKyrie 8d ago

I think they are also using Slovakia as well.

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u/Rygree10 8d ago

Yeah basically every single neighbor of Ukraine is in nato. There’s also ramstein airbase in Germany which has been home away from home for the strategic lift component of the air force forever.

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u/DarthKyrie 8d ago

True dat.

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u/xnyxverycix 8d ago

I like rammstein aswell.

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u/hitokirizac 7d ago

Really? I heard du haßt them.

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u/Babou13 7d ago

It's a shame they're all over there, because we're all living in Amerika, Amerika ist wunderbar

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u/in5idious 8d ago

I'm not totally sure but I think Poland

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u/CopeAndKodiak 8d ago

I think(?) what they normally do/did was fly them to, say, Poland and then transport the stuff on the ground

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u/Tizzer88 8d ago

The last thing Russia wants to do is shoot down a US plane. Like you think it’s bad when the US supplies equipment to Ukraine just wait until you shoot down a plane and then the US brings troops

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u/Khelthuzaad 8d ago

You can also send them by trucks like North Macedonia did with it's tanks.Went all the way through Bulgaria and Romania and directly in Ukraine

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u/kiwi_commander 7d ago

Logistics keeps your soldiers fed, ammo topped off, and vehicles running. This is the reason the US can run military operations from the other side of the globe.

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u/Neuroscience_Yo 8d ago

RIP Antonov An-225 Mriya

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u/DJ_Sk8Nite 7d ago

Living in Charleston, SC those elephants are over my head all day long. Love seeing those massive planes in the air.

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u/Tizzer88 8d ago

Due to the US’s location there isn’t much need to project power in their area. 2 sides are water and the other 2 sides are allies. So to project power the US has to do it far away. So they prioritize logistics and being able to project power far away. It’s why thinks like a huge navy is such a big deal. The US military has the logistics to get a bunch of shit from here to there because that’s the most important thing in any engagement like Afghanistan. If we can’t get a fuck ton of equipment to Afghanistan we wouldn’t be able to fight over there. Now we’re just sending shit to Ukraine just not troops.

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u/woahjohnsnow 7d ago

Also historically the us was dragged into major conflicts that happened far away so it's in the best interest of the us to make sure conflicts stay small. Projecting power helps do that.

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u/SCarolinaSoccerNut 8d ago

The logistical operations of the US Armed Forces are second to none. It's why they were able to successfully invade two countries on the opposite end of the world, topple their governments, and occupy them for more than 20 years, all with only about 4,000 casualties to their own forces.

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u/in5idious 8d ago

"The arsenal of democracy" as it was called pre ww2

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u/FuzzyBucks 7d ago

Looking like we'll have to change the name with the way things are going domestically

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u/VagrantShadow 8d ago

These are bullets for freedom!

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u/LaunchTransient 8d ago

Part of it is also the fact that the US has a massively outsized military. Other countries only have a fraction more materiel and resources than they need to maintain their own national defence, so they can't offer as much without endangering their own forces. The US has such an enormous surplus that they can afford to throw this at the Ukrainians with minimal fuss - and then their hyperthyroid military industrial complex will just crank out replacements.

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u/2017hayden 7d ago

If there’s one thing the U.S. is very good at it’s making and moving weapons.

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u/mainegreenerep 7d ago

Honestly it seems like half the reason the US is doing this is to flex it's muscles and give that 'sit yo ass down fucker' vibe to other wishful rivals

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u/soulbandaid 7d ago

You betcha. Did you see that thing China just did around Taiwan?

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u/ProfessorPetrus 8d ago

It's amazing. The Pacific war logistics really got the US military quite handy at mobilizing, after many lessons learned.

Imagine being a Russian soldier with a 20 year old gun and body armor reading this news about the new tech coming towards them. Gotta be pissed off and depressed.

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u/LoneSnark 7d ago

Lucky for their mental health, any web site that would tell them that is blocked.

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u/bird_equals_word 7d ago

Try 50 year old rifle and no body armor.

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u/SomeGuyNamedPaul 7d ago

20 year old equipment is the very latest that they could hardly produce any of. There's pictures from months ago showing Russians with Mosin Nagants. I own one and it's stamped with 1938.

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u/DeathPercept10n 8d ago

What's the point of stockpiling all this military hardware if we can't get it to where it needs to go? Logistics is very important for our military, since we're surrounded by ocean. One of the many reasons Russia is performing so poorly in this war is because they can't get all their old ass crap to the front lines as easily.

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u/canttaketheshyfromme 7d ago

Russia built their logistics almost entirely around rail.

It's like rail lines have ever been torn up by an army, ever shermandidnothingwrong.jpg

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u/Zaelers 8d ago

US Military Industry go brrrrrrr

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u/ElliotNess 7d ago

That's a lot of money to spend to lose a war.

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u/Slippery_Squirrel 7d ago

You are still assuming their objective was to get rid of the taliban

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u/Yarddogkodabear 7d ago

They never intended to win a war. It's just forever war mentality

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u/RonaldRaygun2024 7d ago

Aid is not military spending.

The defence industry and U.S. military got way more than the civilian Afghan government.

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u/Sad_Dad_Academy 7d ago

It’s insane how much the US spends on the military. For instance, the 34 billion originally given to Ukraine is less than 2 weeks of the militaries yearly budget.

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u/Andy802 7d ago

Bro, this is just the shit we've had lying around in storage. From the perspective of the US Military, this is the least expensive qualification of equipment possible. We get free, live fire data in a real combat environment, and all we have to do is send them equipment and help save Ukrainian lives. This war hasn't been on long enough for any major contracts to even be under agreement, let along generate a new military budget.

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u/LiveShowOneNightOnly 7d ago

Feels like 1987 all over again. The US can outspend Russia 100 times over on military hardware.

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u/cultish_alibi 7d ago

Also this is an incredibly cheap way to degrade the Russian military. Russia has lost 5,000 military vehicles by this point.

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u/Modest_Ubermensch 7d ago

As it should, fuck them Russians up.

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u/efefia 8d ago

Ukraine at this stage is basically the worlds biggest and longest arms fair. With the added bonus that it’s depleting the resources of an historic adversary

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u/canttaketheshyfromme 7d ago

Gulf War again. Get those big contracts. Show up the Russian equipment as primitive and unrealiable, so fencesitting countries become customers for you. That Ukraine is legitimately worth aiding is just a bonus so they don't have to have the daughter of a top government official lie to the US congress like they did with Kuwait.

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u/HuckleberryUnusual60 8d ago

We should just buy Ukraine and go to war with Russia at this point.

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u/Unlikely_Layer_2268 8d ago

Ever heard of the Korean War?

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u/Ponicrat 8d ago

People forget we've already had Americans and Russians in combat with no nuclear exchange.

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u/PureLock33 8d ago

Technically The US command petitioned HARD for the usage of "tactical" nukes. And General MacArthur was asked to step down.

On 9 December 1950, MacArthur requested field commander's discretion to employ nuclear weapons; he testified that such an employment would only be used to prevent an ultimate fallback, not to recover the situation in Korea.[92] On 24 December 1950, MacArthur submitted a list of "retardation targets" in Korea, Manchuria and other parts of China, for which 34 atomic bombs would be required.[92][93][94][95] In June 1950, Louis Johnson released a study on the potential uses of radioactive agents. According to Major General Courtney Whitney, MacArthur considered the possibility of using radioactive wastes to seal off North Korea in December 1950, but he never submitted this to the Joint Chiefs.

His memoirs also pointed that he REALLY REALLY wanted to nuke Korea. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJi8Iaj8GkM

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u/The-Sound_of-Silence 7d ago

Enigmatic character. Wanted to nuke certain places into the stone age, while at the same time treating foreign leaders with respect, and championed retaining the emperor of Japan, after its defeat. Truman hilariously said this about him:

I fired him because he wouldn't respect the authority of the President. I didn't fire him because he was a dumb son of a bitch, although he was, but that's not against the law for generals. If it was, half to three-quarters of them would be in jail

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u/AutoCommentor 7d ago

I mean, being a dumb son of a bitch should be a disqualifying factor for the most powerful military leaders in the world...

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u/BURNER12345678998764 8d ago

To be fair they barely had nuclear weapons then, all low yield gravity bombs. Not as easy as pushing a button and delivering megatons of destruction to the other side of the globe. If either side couldn't reach it with a B-29, it couldn't be nuked.

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u/karsh36 8d ago

Russia is a trillion dollar war, beating Russia for a few billion without risking US lives is a steal

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u/blessef 8d ago Wholesome All-Seeing Upvote Looking

Can I have healthcare

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u/KindArgument0 8d ago Helpful

no

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u/sepehr_brk 8d ago edited 8d ago

Actually you can get free healthcare in the US by simply getting some of your limbs blown off in the military!!!

Visit: www.goarmy.com

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u/hashbrown2202 8d ago

Excellent recruiting

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u/Scott4370 8d ago

And now you get coverage if you got sick from working a burn pit.

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u/CrappyLemur 7d ago

No thanks to Cruz and his cronies

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u/ProudDildoMan69 8d ago

The VA is absolutely treacherous

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u/majorpail18 8d ago

Crazy how some VAs are able to seamlessly get lots of assistance done & help a lot of veterans & others are just horror stories

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u/3olives 7d ago

The VA is for poor veterans. Rich veterans will have access to private insurance

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u/Turrbo_Jettz 7d ago

Aint this the truth

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u/Eupion 8d ago

They didn’t say good health care, just free health care. Now go get those limbs ripped to shreds!

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u/StrangeBedfellows 8d ago

Don't even need your kind blown off, in fact only 76 have been awarded in OIR since 2020. You're much more likely to have mental health issues, crippling depression, or PTSD than get a purple heart.

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u/summerll0ve 8d ago

tell me you’ve never been to the VA without telling me you’ve never been to the VA

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u/Xoxrocks 8d ago

Mate, you already spend more than everyone else on healthcare. Fire the insurance companies.

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u/fang_xianfu 8d ago

Just to be clear about this: the US federal government already pays more per capita right now than some European countries. Not per person covered by Medicare, per person in the country. This is because Medicare is not allowed to block negotiate rates (see the controversy around negotiating prices for just 10 drugs).

That's not even including all the insurance premiums paid by employees and employers, copays, deductibles, coinsurance, all that shit. Not to mention the extra money state governments pay in. All that money is basically lit on fire.

If you could fire all the insurance companies, have the US government pay for everything and actually empower it to negotiate, that could feasibly save the federal government money. It could come with a tax cut!

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u/Persianator 7d ago

If I remember correctly, it would save on average 300+ billion a year if we had single payer healthcare in the US.

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u/kinggareth 7d ago

Yes, but the wrong people would be saving that money, i.e., non- rich people

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u/Knut79 7d ago

Well we can’t have that. That sounds communist . Come on pull yourself up by your bootstraps, everyone can be a millionaire if you just work for it and get a few million to start with from your parents

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u/4rekti 7d ago

filthy pours

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u/FILTHBOT4000 7d ago edited 7d ago

That's on the lowest possible side; it's a very conservative estimate. Considering we spend, on average, nearly double most other first world nations on healthcare per capita, we're much more likely to save well over a trillion $$$$$ per year if we had single payer.

And that's not even touching the broader economic impacts, like how much the ~60,000 that die each year from being under/uninsured could be contributing to the economy, or how many people have to retire early because of poorly treated/diagnosed illnesses and other health problems, or the new tech and businesses budding entrepreneurs could have started, but didn't because they were too afraid of losing their family's healthcare.

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u/farcical89 8d ago

Insurance is such a fucking joke. You're paying extra to cover unexpected costs in addition to whatever it costs to support the insurance companies.

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u/Roflkopt3r 7d ago

Exactly. Here in Germany we have a dual system with public and private insurers. The management cost of the public system are something like 3%, while it's 10% for private insurances.

There are some systems where the private market just doesn't have much to offer, and running it on a private system only means more money siphoned off by rich people. Health Insurance is a classic example for that.

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u/58king 7d ago

The US spends ~$4 trillion a year on healthcare. That's around $12k per citizen per year, which I assume is less than the average person spends on healthcare in the average year (though I'm not certain with aging demographics being taken into account). Your system is just broken.

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u/_skylark 8d ago edited 8d ago Silver

With the amount the US is spending already on healthcare, you could have decent healthcare. Military spending in Ukraine is not the problem.

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u/bingcognito 8d ago

This. Insurance companies and lobbyists is why we don't have healthcare.

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u/reyfire 7d ago

I don’t understand this, in my country insurance companies are still selling medical insurance pretty well even though our healthcare is one of the cheapest in the world. Can’t affordable healthcare and insurance coexist together?

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u/larsvondank 7d ago

They sure can, but not if you want to maximize profits. The US model gives insurance companies an insane amount of customers and those customers are in very poor positions to negotiate anything. Really easy money.

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u/wtfduud 7d ago

In other countries, they pay you a certain amount of money if you get badly injured.

In the US, the health insurance just gives discounts on medical services. Which in turn causes hospitals to increase prices to make up for those health insurance discounts, and the health insurance companies are encouraging the hospitals to raise prices even more, so that health insurance becomes mandatory unless you want to pay $10k for 2 nights at the hospital. Basically the prices for healthcare would be far lower if health insurance didn't exist. For this reason, the health insurance companies are also the main opponents lobbying against free healthcare.

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u/ErikTheAngry 8d ago Silver

Ironically, your military spending isn't why you can't have health care. Too much profit-taking in your health care industry. One need not look further than the $50 aspirin tablets on your hospital bill, $300 insulin vials (it costs us $35 a vial here in Canada).

If you guys simply limited the amounts hospitals could charge, you'd have a private health care system with more affordable prices.

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u/sxrrycard 8d ago

Get them boys their HIMARS

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u/brooksram 8d ago

It sounds like they're starting to reach the max number of effective HIMARS. Anymore than 25 or so is supposedly going to be useless as we won't be able to continuously feed them enough ammo, But it's beyond time we gave them hundreds of tanks, apc's, anti air capabilities, drones, etc. I'm sure we need to be sending way more mobile artillery as well. Hopefully this will be a useful package for them, they sure as hell need it.

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u/c0mad0r 8d ago

IIRC, they requested 100 total HiMARS and while the US could do it, ammo wouldn't hold. At their current rate of use, 100 of them soak up all of the US's total HiMARS ammo plus 29% all requested ammo for the next five years.

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u/Luxpreliator 8d ago

The usa never really put much effort into developing rocket artillery. Anything atacms can do an air sortie does 10x better. There are only a few thousand atacms available but 120k+ of guided bombs. They were more an afterthought and the long range version had to have it's warhead reduced to make the distance so it's somewhat anemic.

If they manage to take over the skies then the usa could kit them out with all sorts of goodies.

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u/MrBIMC 7d ago

There are reports of Ukraine increasing air sorties in Kherson area after himars do preliminary hits.

More that 8 active planes working all day yesterday.

As Russian anti-air capabilities deteriorate, I expect Ukrainian air offences to increase.

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u/kwixta 7d ago

We may not have put much effort into it but a small portion of what we did is absolutely wrecking the Russian army right now.

It’s pretty clear that the menace of Soviet aggression in Western Europe was over in the late eighties thanks to MLRS whether communism disintegrated or not.

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u/Ackilles 8d ago

If they needed more due to losses we could probably send them, but they arent losing them.

Also, keeping the number in operation low means the crew are getting very experienced and good with operating them - meaning less likely to be killed and a higher accuracy rate with the limited available ammo.

In fact, there being few HIMs and ukraine being less bold with them is probably a good thing because of that. Keeps the best crews alive

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u/DM_DM_DND 8d ago

Even if you can't fire all your weapons at once, you still want to have spares. A system like HIMARS is prone to any number of potential failures and losses to enemy countermeasures-rotating used systems out for new systems lets you keep a lesser but relevant barrage up.

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u/Thaddaeus-Tentakel 7d ago

As shown by the PZH2000, they're shooting them at such an insane rate the things need repairs after a few weeks of use.

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u/alexunderwater1 8d ago

Can always hold some in reserve in the west of Ukraine in case some get knocked out.

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u/peretona 8d ago

Also worth spreading them around ready to react quickly to Russian attacks elsewhere.

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u/Ackilles 8d ago

4 HIMs was totally wrecking their day, 15 is probably enough considering their insane accuracy, range and the fact that Russia can't hit one

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u/JoMarchie1868 8d ago

Has any country sent Ukraine IFVs? Like BMPs or Western models. These are crucial to mechanised formations.

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u/SerpentineLogic 7d ago edited 7d ago

Australia sent upgraded M113s with turrets. They're weird, but you caught us at a bad time; we are in the final phase of choosing new force recon vehicles and IFV so we don't have anything great to offer. We literally have nothing in our army in between an APC and an Abrams until the new Boxers arrive

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u/KindArgument0 8d ago

yes. poland is the biggest donator with hundreds of upgraded t-72 and bmp variant.

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u/Storm_Sniper 8d ago

Tanks are literally going to die when they get into Ukraine.

Talking about the M1 Abrams, often it can’t be deployed easily unless it has a massive fuel supply to go behind it.

APCs we have already given to them, it’s gonna take a while.

Anti air is not going to be in for a while, it takes time to train and set up. Also removal of sensitive equipment that could be in Russian hands.

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u/Sad-Cut-1552 8d ago

Get them some ATACMS.

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u/CircuitousCarbons70 8d ago

Attack em's

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u/Painkiller90 7d ago

It's the cutest sounding missile ever.

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u/Hellvetic91 8d ago

HIMARS are good for this phase of the war but if we really want Ukraine to counterattack and reclaim it's territory what they need is a shit ton of armoured vehicles and drones/fighter jets

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u/DM_DM_DND 8d ago

More importantly they need the logistical support to keep those systems running, including significant fuel reserves and a truly astounding number of trucks. Tanks are useless without the infrastructure to run them, as the Russians have discovered.

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u/kaster 8d ago All-Seeing Upvote

Why do people think the money is going to Ukraine? It's equipment made in the US. All that money went back into US companies.

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u/Hitmonchank 8d ago

The only winner in this conflict is the military industrial complex.

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u/CincyCivilRightsAct 7d ago

Oil companies are making far more money from it.

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u/morningreis 8d ago

I'd argue Ukraine has beaten back Russia and prevented a total occupation, so that is a win in of itself.

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u/SirActionSack 8d ago

And it'll trickle down to the 99% aaaaany day now.

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u/marakeh 7d ago

Lmao remember when Russia said something about US eventually stopping supplying Ukraine etc. I don't.

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u/Explorer335 8d ago Gold

This is VASTLY cheaper than the alternatives. If Ukraine falls, Moldova and the Baltics will likely be next. Putin will test limits and push as far as he can until he meets powerful resistance. Equipping the Ukrainians to stop the Russians is the alternative to an ugly and enormously expensive war across Europe.

Putin has been planning this for years and this invasion represents a massive investment. The sheer cost and scale of the endeavor shows his ambitions do not end with Ukraine.

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u/phatelectribe 8d ago edited 8d ago

100000%

Look at the grain crisis, metals shortages, chemical shortages etc and now imagine that spreading to 10 other countries in Europe who fell a whole lot easier than Ukraine.

Russia would then control masses of exports and we’d be paying them through the nose for it all.

A few billion in well placed weapons thus far wouldn’t cover a weeks’ payment to Russia once Putin assimilated a few countries back in to Putinistan.

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u/FlaxenArt 8d ago

This, right here, is exactly the right take on it.

The amount of money we’re putting into this is a drop in the bucket of our overall spending… and an investment in keeping all-out war from happening in Europe … which we WOULD get dragged into with boots on the ground.

I get it: people want healthcare. But Ukraine isn’t the problem. It’s also not the trade-off. This is a billions in the short term v trillions in the long term issue.

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u/EffectiveEconomics 8d ago

You can have both…American health care spending is immensely wasteful. It would SAVE money to move to single payer. You’d just be bankrupting the profit skimmers, freeing up American ingenuity and labour to work on productivity.

The thing that is killed dead by illness-induced bankruptcy.

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u/pythonic_dude 7d ago

There's also a factor of what can you actually do. There's bipartisan support of sending aid to Ukraine so it would be asinine not to, besides, it's not a ludicrous amount of money. No, seriously, lockmart and co will earn much more from scared European countries ordering new stuff (think Polish 500 himars request or German f35 deal) than from what will be made for Ukraine.

On the other hand, you don't he a majority to tackle healthcare. Democrats views on what it should be might be imperfect but gop's are outright inhumane. Good luck getting something done that will make it better.

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u/Suspicious_Cream2939 7d ago

when will this end

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u/LuangPrabangisinLaos 7d ago

The new package follows a recent Pentagon decision to allow Ukrainians to receive medical treatment at a U.S. military hospital in Germany near Ramstein air base. read more

That's huge.

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u/-Skooma_Cat- 8d ago

Raytheon execs are having a grand party right about now.

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u/Dammit_Jessie 8d ago

ATACMS baby

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u/Lawjaq 7d ago

The sooner Ukraine snuffs out Putin the sooner this world will right its self.

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u/invisible32 8d ago

This shouldn't be news. The US passed a bill that said they will regularly do this...

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