r/worldnews Oct 06 '22

Estonian PM says West should heed, not appease Putin threats Russia/Ukraine

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-elon-musk-twitter-inc-moscow-9b196f72f3d88d7b6c7c6b38f15851a3
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u/Arkane-Light Oct 06 '22

"Estonia’s prime minister said Tuesday that the West must not give in to Moscow’s nuclear threats or premature peace proposals but stand firmly in support of Ukraine as the invaded country fights to rid its occupied territories of Russian soldiers.

Kaja Kallas, who has led Estonia’s government since last year, told The Associated Press in an interview that “very dangerous” calls for negotiations and peace in Ukraine have come from “very prominent people” lately.

She didn’t specify anyone by name, but her comments came a day after Tesla CEO Elon Musk floated on Twitter a proposal for ending the war that elicited fierce opposition from Kyiv.

Musk, who has been involved in an on and off and reportedly on again deal to buy the social media platform, argued that Russia should be allowed to keep the Crimean Peninsula that it seized in 2014.

The four regions Russia annexed following Kremlin-orchestrated “referendums” last month should hold repeat votes organized by the United Nations, he said.

Musk also said that to bring about peace, Ukraine should adopt a neutral status, dropping a bid to join NATO.

In her interview with the AP, Kallas recalled the Soviet occupation of Estonia, during which a significant portion of the country’s political and social elite was imprisoned, deported or killed.

Even if there is peace, it doesn’t mean that the human suffering for those territories will end,” Kallas said.

Putin and promised to defend the annexed Russian territory “with any means at our disposal,” including nuclear weapons.

Such threats must be taken seriously “but not in a sense that, ‘Oh, let’s give in,’” Kallas said, adding that attempts to appease Putin when he escalates may send the signal that “when you threaten, they will give in.”

“The nuclear powers of the world have given a very clear signal to Russia: ‘When you use (the nuclear weapons), there is no way back.’”

I.100%.Agree.With.This.Brave.Woman.

Stop being scared of the bloated Russian dictator, it's the future of freedom we are talking about here people.

And if WW3 breaks out, I highly doubt ALL the russian population would be up for fighting (as we have seen in the recent exodus of russians after the forced enlistment).

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u/Law-of-Poe Oct 07 '22 Brighten My Day

It’s the future of freedom

This right here is what it boils down to and why we are at a watershed moment in the world. Everyone should do everything they can to support Ukraine. And if it comes to war, so be it. But we can or should never give in to a tyrant like Putin.

The current global world order is flawed in countless ways but it is based on democratic foundations. I would rather die than see that world order shift to authoritarian regimes like Russia or China.

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u/LookMommyIDidIt Oct 06 '22

And f Elon.

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u/Arkane-Light Oct 06 '22

Fuck Elon Musk, that imbecile after publicly making the poll where he was essentially saying "Ukraine must surrender to Russia" was even praised by the Kremlin and Putin himself making Russia say "Wow, even in the land of the free US there is people who love our regime, that is good"...

Essentially he put all Americans to shame.

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u/warpus Oct 07 '22

He cares only about his money and possessions in this case. He wants the war to end ASAP because it’s hurting his portfolio. Fuck him

And I’m a big spacex fan..

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman Oct 07 '22

He cares only about his money and possessions in this case. He wants the war to end ASAP because it’s hurting his portfolio. Fuck him

Idk.

Roman Abramovich or Oleg Deripaska might have "phoned a friend".

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u/LookMommyIDidIt Oct 07 '22

Oh that's right, he's illiquid. Sort of a live by the sword situation.

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u/arcosapphire Oct 06 '22

FYI, saying "he put all Americans to shame" means that he did something better than all Americans (such that all others were ashamed by not being as good). You probably meant he ashamed all Americans (by association).

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u/BoxedLunchable Oct 06 '22

Only American because his citizenship was bought. Fuck Elon Musk and his dumbass robot.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Essentially he put all Americans to shame.

He's from South Africa, afaik literally from blood diamond money... Citizenship or not, that chode ain't no American.

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman Oct 07 '22

literally from blood diamond money

Emeralds actually.

But apartheid and blood money, yes.

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u/boredguy2022 Oct 06 '22

Russia can have him if they want.

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u/Arkane-Light Oct 06 '22

I agree with your comment. Elon and Trump gifted to Putin's regime then sent to the front lines as cannon fodder.

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u/boredguy2022 Oct 06 '22

Works for me, then they can fight over Pootin's love.

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u/Arkane-Light Oct 06 '22

Between the two I'd also add Tucker Carlson, then the Putin ass-licking contest can begin.

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u/knightofterror Oct 07 '22

Russia is also welcome to be Musk’s robot army; although, Musk’s robots appear to have functionality already based on Soviet Cold War technology.

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u/boredguy2022 Oct 07 '22

Wouldn't surprise me. I'd be inspecting whatever he sold to the US government.

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman Oct 07 '22

Essentially he put all Americans to shame.

Elon Muskovitvch is South African or Canadian or something.

I don't think he's American.

Protip from U.S. Constitution:

Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

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u/white-gold Oct 07 '22

He became a naturalized US citizen in 2002. To borrow a phrase my grandpa says from time to time: "he's an asshole, but he's our asshole."

The constitution says he cannot become president but he's still a citizen

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u/Ocular__Patdown44 Oct 06 '22

Musk is Canadian

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u/SapperBomb Oct 07 '22

You watch your mouth!

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u/Dick-Wrinkle Oct 07 '22

No, he just has alot of fart huffers who live here

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u/Zonel Oct 07 '22

Nah he's a citizen of Canada. Came here as a teenager and went to university at Queen's. Still he's a fucking goof.

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u/cactus468 Oct 06 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Downvote me into the floor if you want but he's objectively right. And in that infamous tweet the soloutions weren't even bad, yes they could have been better. But at the end of the day ukraine isn't comong out with crimea, donetsk or luhansk. It just. Won't happen.

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u/Osimadius Oct 06 '22

Remind me 1 year or whatever

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u/LookMommyIDidIt Oct 07 '22

RemindMe! One Year

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

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u/shodan13 Oct 07 '22

Why would you think that?

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u/[deleted] Oct 07 '22

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u/DroidLord Oct 07 '22

The alternative is to respond to a nuclear strike via conventional warfare. Of course, the assumption here is that it won't be an all out nuclear war, but rather the use of a few nuclear warheads.

NATO and the US have hinted at this very scenario in response to Russia's nuclear threats.

IMO this is the best possible scenario. If the recipient of a nuclear attack starts lobbing nukes back at the aggressor, the only possible outcome is MAD.

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u/shodan13 Oct 07 '22

Nuclear weapons will be used when there are no other (conventional) options left in the last line of defense exactly because of the MAD issue.

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u/BrokenParachutes Oct 07 '22

WWIII is just another word for a nuclear exchange. There is no full mobilization needed we all just die.

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u/badmotivator11 Oct 06 '22

Why do all the other countries get attractive, intelligent leaders under the age of 50?

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u/psychicsword Oct 07 '22

Obama was only 47 years old when he was elected. Clinton was also fairly young. George W. Bush wasn't that much older at 55 years.

While this isn't this first time we went through a phase of nothing but old farts, it is something that hasn't been universally true forever.

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u/Dangerous-Ad9472 Oct 07 '22

I’m on this team

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u/milfordcubicle Oct 07 '22

Hi can I join?

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u/Uberj4ger Oct 07 '22

Democracy works there.

Kekw

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u/HistoricalInstance Oct 07 '22

We were almost there as well. But instead of Annalena Baerbock (current foreign minister, pro heavy weaponry for Ukraine) we got Olaf Scholz as our Chancellor….

https://i.imgur.com/opuMpPf.jpg

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u/autotldr BOT Oct 06 '22

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 82%. (I'm a bot)


TALLINN, Estonia - Estonia's prime minister said Tuesday that the West must not give in to Moscow's nuclear threats or premature peace proposals but stand firmly in support of Ukraine as the invaded country fights to rid its occupied territories of Russian soldiers.

Russian President Vladimir Putin announced a call-up of military mobilization of reservists, moved to illegally annex Russian-occupied areas of Ukraine and promised to defend Russian territory "With any means at our disposal," including nuclear weapons.

Such threats must be taken seriously "But not in a sense that, 'Oh, let's give in,'" Kallas said, adding that attempts to appease Putin when he escalates may send the signal that "When you threaten, they will give in."


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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Musk has 0 weight when it comes to the terroristic invasion of Ukraine.

Please note this comment is only directed to those ruzzians who for the last 900 years have not stood up to their government and continue to, through their lack of action, allow the atrocities to continue. It does not apply to anyone else.

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u/Actually-Yo-Momma Oct 06 '22

Very easy to say in the safety of your home behind a computer living in a civilized country

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u/Longjumping_Apple804 Oct 06 '22

Today I learned Russia isn’t civilized.

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u/sunflower_jim Oct 07 '22

People are so dumb. They say for 900 years they haven’t overthrown the gov while not even asking why for 900 years the people of Russia have not been able to. Russian history is complex and very interesting and if they cared to read some of it they’d answer there own question quite quickly.

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u/ampjk Oct 06 '22

The fuck are you on about, do you not know what lein did or why the duma exists

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '22

Widely considered one of the most significant and influential figures of
the 20th century, Lenin was the posthumous subject of a pervasive personality cult within the Soviet Union until its dissolution in 1991. He became an ideological figurehead behind Marxism–Leninism and a prominent influence over the international communist movement. A controversial and highly divisive historical figure, Lenin is viewed by his supporters as a champion of socialism and the working class. Meanwhile, Lenin's critics accuse him of establishing a totalitarian dictatorship which oversaw mass killings and political repression.

https://alphahistory.com/russianrevolution/cheka/

The duma exists only to rubber stamp putin's rulings.

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman Oct 07 '22

The duma exists only to rubber stamp putin's rulings.

Partly.

They also exist to cosplay a democracy.

As Blinken said: "kabuki theatre"

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u/groovyinutah Oct 06 '22

The only appeasement I see comes from American Republicans...

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u/TheMindfulnessShaman Oct 07 '22

We just prefer to call them "fascists" now.

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u/AlvinAssassin17 Oct 07 '22

They have young minds and we get two old men dueling with walkers.

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u/MinorFragile Oct 06 '22

What’s Estonia?

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u/arcosapphire Oct 06 '22

If you want to know why their viewpoint on Russian invasions matters, I suggest you learn what Estonia is.

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u/huntingwhale Oct 06 '22

If someone is too dumb to know what Estonia is, you can bet he/she is too dumb to even begin to understand Estonian viewpoints on Russia.

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u/Embezellend Oct 06 '22

The country that left Russia and then proceeded to do better than Russia in lots of metrics

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u/HistoricalInstance Oct 07 '22

Estonia is a humble country/people, but thats underselling their success. They probably have the most modern and efficient bureaucracy in all of Europe.

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u/jdeo1997 Oct 07 '22

A former Soviet country that very much understands the threat Russia poses if they're allowed to do whatever the fuck they want

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u/milfordcubicle Oct 07 '22

I'll make it easy: person, woman, man, camera ,tv